Mini Normal 2245: LJITGBSMoD [game over!]

[StrangeMatter]

Hey, can someone give me a quick rundown of major events in this game? Have some other things I need to check as well.

[StrangeMatter]

Thinking about it, Jolyne probably TMIed knowing AliceK would flip town if there isn't some wacky scum play to get towncred is happening, and I feel like AliceK's response at the start of the day makes me feel like it could be a little more likely, but I'd rather not have them be eliminated today.

[StrangeMatter]

Strange did you miss Darby claiming an inno on Alice and then flipping town

Ha, I probably did knowing myself.

[StrangeMatter]

Town dwlee votes people 4 times on average
Scum dwlee votes people 1 times on average
Per first 50 serious posts

this just seems easily exploitable
I'm sorry but in this case I'm with reck and dwlee that metabad

Here's a question for Gamma about this in particular, why do you think that meta is bad, or am I just interpreting this wrong? Because I think it does have some merit when it's done generally very well and things line up just right.

[StrangeMatter]

Here's a question redtea, do you currently have anyone you suspect?

[StrangeMatter]

What makes you think they're unpartnered?

I actually take this back, lol. They both have some lame early distancing with each other and then don't really interact with each other. Gamma votes T3 in 1135 to make the wagons even D1, and then immediately jumps back to toxic in 1157. I think my thought with them being unpartnered was the T3 vote, but it didn't click on a first read-through how quick the move back to toxic was.

Ehhhh I don't agree with that. 100% of the time scum will have red herrings when it comes to trying to find their partners due to association. I think it's basic scum knowledge to have those always, especially if they do get flipped. So I think that of {Gamma, T3} that the other is probably a red herring when it comes to association.

[StrangeMatter]

Well, I think last two scum has to be within {Gamma, RedTea, and Chaos} at this point fmpov. I find Dwlee's post trying to bait hard to believe comes from scum, (especially when I've seen Town attempt to bait NK off a PR, although it was kind of poor and was a Newbie game). As for who, I really don't know yet, so I'm gonna reread into those slots more.

[StrangeMatter]

@ChaoOmega, do you have any thoughts?

[StrangeMatter]

Well, I think last two scum has to be within {Gamma, RedTea, and Chaos} at this point fmpov. I find Dwlee's post trying to bait hard to believe comes from scum, (especially when I've seen Town attempt to bait NK off a PR, although it was kind of poor and was a Newbie game). As for who, I really don't know yet, so I'm gonna reread into those slots more.

what's this thing about baiut

Pardon?

[StrangeMatter]

Oh, I didn't read the last page.

[StrangeMatter]

Prod-dodge. Was paranoid about redtea, but with the claim barring any CCs, I think scumteam at this point has to be Gamma/Dwlee.

I'm so beyond confused with this, can you elaborate, please?

[StrangeMatter]

So theoretically taking the PR claims at face value and saying they aren't lying (which I will say we don't know), we can POE here. I still don't think Dwlee is scum here (especially because of the NK bait), Alice is confirmed town, redtea is a PR, that leaves me, Gamma, and Chaos.

[StrangeMatter]

Okay this isn't going through

I'm a one-shot checker and got no result on Jolyne last night

This was the bait and they only said afterwards, while that probably diminishes the point it’s the type of thing I’d say was a good attempt at baiting the NK and would absolutely fall into as a trap.

[StrangeMatter]

Yeah, I think these are the last two scum at this point.

VOTE: ChaosOmega

[StrangeMatter]

Chaos/Gamma yeah.

[StrangeMatter]

Tbh it's mostly POE at this point, which I've stated in another post so....

I'll take full responsibility if this comes back to bite us somehow but I'm like 88% sure this is right.

[StrangeMatter]

Personally, I'm fine with either here. I think the game is solved at this point after looking over the people I think are town.

[StrangeMatter]

Wait really? I just assumed there were three with 13 players.

[StrangeMatter]

I meant three in the entire game.

[StrangeMatter]

Hang on, can we just assume we're in MELO (6 players, 2 scum left) right?

[StrangeMatter]

That makes things remarkably easy. StrangeMatter is very likely one of the two scum. Now just to find the other.

Alright, explain please.

[StrangeMatter]

Pedit: like I said I grant that. It’s a gambit because it’s rare

okay but this is incongruent with what you've said to my slot, which is why I think you're just scum here

Like your read on redtea is an easy "oh they're not scum cause why would scum gambit" but your read on me is "they're scum cause this gambit scenario is totally the most likely thing that happened"

gut says anyone sring dwlee at this point is a scumtell

I mean I'm highly paranoid of Dwlee being scum whatnot of another game where my paranoia was completely correct but otherwise I feel good about Dwlee being town.

[StrangeMatter]

Here's a question, who do you suspect right now @Gamma Emerald

I have something I want to say.

[StrangeMatter]

vote count 5.02

with 6 votes in play, it takes 4 to make a decision. day 5 ends in (expired on 2021-11-18 09:15:00).

yeet

Commander Shepard [1]:

StrangeMatter

not voting [5]:

Gamma Emerald, Dwlee99, Commander Shepard, redtea, AliceK

mod notes

~ one two seven three

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There should be no reason Strange Matter would be voting if town right now.

Well here's the thing. I'm confident you and Gamma are the last two scum. Even if neither of you is scum, scum can't QH at this point with two members, leaving the game at 3 votes, and you at E-1. So, I don't see why it's particularly a bad thing to have one single vote right now.

[StrangeMatter]

vote count 5.02

with 6 votes in play, it takes 4 to make a decision. day 5 ends in (expired on 2021-11-18 09:15:00).

yeet

Commander Shepard [1]:

StrangeMatter

not voting [5]:

Gamma Emerald, Dwlee99, Commander Shepard, redtea, AliceK

mod notes

~ one two seven three

flavour

There should be no reason Strange Matter would be voting if town right now.

Well here's the thing. I'm confident you and Gamma are the last two scum. Even if neither of you is scum, scum can't QH at this point with two members, leaving the game at 3 votes, and you at E-1. So, I don't see why it's particularly a bad thing to have one single vote right now.

Because you’re trying to exert your will over the conf towns and create a 1v1. If the conf towns want us to 1v1 then they will but those two determine the elim. By voting here it’s an attempt to take control from the conf towns and it is scummy as hell.

There’s a reason why there’s fake voting in elo and it works. It’s because everyone agrees to it instead of trying to assert their will and we go one at a time.

Huh. And there's something I didn't even know existed lol.

VOTE:

[StrangeMatter]

Oops.

UNVOTE:

[StrangeMatter]

Fake voting is done in a simple manner when no conf town involved
You just use hurt or heal tags to signify who you would be voting while stating it’s not a vote.

Then when someone is fake hammered they have 24 hours to drop a real vote or it’s a scum claim.

With a conf town involved still fake vote as usual but if you want to fake hammer a wagon but conf town doesn’t act.
If you would hammer either wagon then scum is on one of them.

It’s a last chance to push and pull and get reads.

Okay, do you think I would use this chance to get reads when I've stated that I think the game's ALREADY been solved?

[StrangeMatter]

Alright, I'm back and a lot less angry after hearing a player say I'm lockscum (and if you're town, you're literally throwing) along with a play I've never heard before as a result.

[StrangeMatter]

Alright, I'm back and a lot less angry after hearing a player say I'm lockscum (and if you're town, you're literally throwing) along with a play I've never heard before as a result.

Pretty sure I am not and scumreading you is not throwing. Now if you were an IC I would agree that’s throwing. If I was throwing you’d be able to articulate why. The fact of the matter is it’s demonstrated I am town based on the too many scumreads argument above.

The only way an elim is on scum is if both Alice and redtea plus two more townies are on it. Ergo there is a scum in Dwlee, Gamma, and you. Now you can argue planned bus but I don’t think you’ll get very far as it seems you “had the game solved” before my replace in and that did not include Gamma bussing me. So good luck arguing yourself out of your self made problem.

So you're just straight-up saying my reads are trash at this point right? In the case of this game, I'm under the assumption with one scum out, we've got two scum left as MELO, which means if you eliminate me today we lose.

At this point, you're just trying to end the game today as scum by attacking my slot doing obviously scummy things. Hell, this has happened before.

[StrangeMatter]

Because right now, I'm more suspicious of your slot than him.

[StrangeMatter]

Do you always have to insult people’s reads, or do you legitimately only do that to anger them? Because multiple times to two different people you’ve called reads as atrocious.

[StrangeMatter]

Personally, I'm fine with either here. I think the game is solved at this point after looking over the people I think are town.

???

[StrangeMatter]

So you want me to sheep the confirmed Town then? I've never been against the Gamma elimination, stop putting words into my mouth.

[StrangeMatter]

Screw off, I'm not going to touch this game any further today.

[StrangeMatter]

Intent to Hammer

[StrangeMatter]

Give them 30 minutes.

[StrangeMatter]

Alright I’m back, well over 30 minutes.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

That’s a hammer.

[StrangeMatter]

That's one more scum down, now there's only one left.

Speaking of, redtea can you please give your target last night?

[StrangeMatter]

This would be the ultimate betrayal if you were scum but yeah I'm set on it being Commander.

[StrangeMatter]

Ehh not the best call if you ask me but it’s not the worst. It would have been good to try to either use it as a Vig or Doctor someone

[StrangeMatter]

Dwlee how do you feel about your vote history matching up with Gamma’s a lot and Alice suggesting it’s you + Gamma?

I also think this once again betrays commander's goal to have me mislimmed

Since they replaced in it seems like that was their gameplan because they knew I wasn't going to vote for strangematter so their only plan is to have strangematter vote for me

And then Alice dies and we have this post which I think once again betrays they have an agenda not a solve

I don’t have an agenda. I find it weird that you reacted to a question about yourself though and not about camel which is the same slot as Strange Matter. I am pretty sure Redtea is town and scum is in you or StrangeMatter and it’s a matter of which so I am asking questions of what I find scummy about both of you.

I am mostly using this as practice to get my melo game better as I am pretty sure I will be fake hammered and then have to decide which of you is the scum and have to place a real vote first.

You repeatedly saying it’s me doesn’t scare me as I am not scum and know the situation has been manipulated to make me look bad.

It’s a matter of who is actually the scum and casing them so we have a chance at not losing.

Ironically I feel like this post feels kind of manipulative in a way. Also, I just realized in a way it seems like you're trying to prey on my paranoia of Dwlee being scum here.

[StrangeMatter]

Also, what happened to your read on me Commander Shepard?

[StrangeMatter]

Prod received sorry for not posting.

[StrangeMatter]

What even is the rule of three?

[StrangeMatter]

Content.

Catching up after my short break from Mafia (Probably should've said V/LA but oh well).

[StrangeMatter]

I thought I typed something up last night hm

1) Most of your posts have a clear pivoting towards me idea within them. It's a telegraphed way to justify later wanting to vote me
2)
3) There are ways I expect town to react and ways I expect scum to react. I expect townies to have read changes and not be 100% consistent because otherwise they would literally never change their opinion. But to me 1979 with 1890 (and the other times you said gamma and I can't be aligned) show you're approaching this from an angle of trying to eliminate me instead of evaluate because if you're town I expect you to talk about why your opinion changed instead of immediately shading me without acknowledgement of your earlier posts about it

1) I am not pivoting towards or away from anyone.
3) This is correct. My opinions shift overtime. I did have one opinion at that time. Elo however is always an eternal reset button because no matter what we have to get it right. Alice's read was different from mine so I'm trying to do her read due dilligence because sometimes I'm kind of an idiot. Sunday I intend on making a big wall post and then fake voting if no one has because we really need to get this ball rolling and get some kind of discussion started.

1. It is a pivot, away from your lockscum on me in the last day, to switching to suspecting Dwlee a lot more. I'm just theorizing your scum play here, but it looks like the kind of play of moving away from the kind of obvious scum play of pushing (what it felt like) an easy low-hanging fruit scum push, onto suspecting either me or Dwlee to have your options open. Technically, we are kind of in ELO, (isn't it still called MELO though?) but there's the Babysitter who can protect (and we'd have another day) or end the game.

[StrangeMatter]

You're pretty much confirmed by role claim, it's between me/strange/commander. I think it's commander. I think strange does as well. Commander is intermittently going through the game and deciding if they want to vote me or strange but has been pivoting towards me

I agree with everything except the pivoting towards. It’s framing things as if I have an agenda, which I don’t. It’s actually much easier to make a case against Strange Matter but I am more concerned with what is right.

What even is your case on me right now?

[StrangeMatter]

You're pretty much confirmed by role claim, it's between me/strange/commander. I think it's commander. I think strange does as well. Commander is intermittently going through the game and deciding if they want to vote me or strange but has been pivoting towards me

I agree with everything except the pivoting towards. It’s framing things as if I have an agenda, which I don’t. It’s actually much easier to make a case against Strange Matter but I am more concerned with what is right.

What even is your case on me right now?

There’s the scum pointers of you being a replace in so late in the game and not enough backwards hunting. You being on the tailend of Gamma is sus. Voting when it’s conf town decision is sus.

However just because I can make an argument you are scum doesn’t make it right. I want to elim the right person.

And exactly what makes you think all of that is wrong?

[StrangeMatter]

Hey, I’m still here. Just haven’t talked much.

[StrangeMatter]

@StrangeMatter -> Those things are obviously bad. Not sure what you’re asking.

So couple of things
1) No one here scumreads you and based on the babysitter claim you are confirmed town.
2) Scum will 100% shoot you overnight because of point A.
3) This means we have a 2/3rds chance of losing if we no elim.

Instead I think the better option is to either go with who you say to elim or you give reads and you protect no one going into the night.

Admittedly this means I have to dig myself out of the hole scum have put me in and whichever one of Dwlee/StrangeMatter is scum well done but you should not be protecting anyone tonight.

What I’m not getting is what you said about being paranoid in another one of your posts.

[StrangeMatter]

Hey. I've been trying to get answers out of Commander. I'm just trying not to get in your way since I think this is far more useful for confirming whether my POE is right or not.

[StrangeMatter]

100% we should eliminate, even if we're wrong we still have a chance to win or have another day.

I'm going to double-check over the conversation between Dwlee and Commander.

[StrangeMatter]

Alright, we have three hours. so....I think we should just vote out Commander at this point, really their conversation with Dwlee hasn't changed my mind on his slot being scum at this point.

[StrangeMatter]

VOTE: Commander

E-2

[StrangeMatter]

Please hammer, he's at E-1

[StrangeMatter]

Oh my god did we seriously just not get a hammer.

[StrangeMatter]

I'm here and extremely angry about what just happened yesterday, and personal issues.

[StrangeMatter]

And I'm angry at the player who is now dead and DIDN'T hammer so now we're stuck with this.

[StrangeMatter]

Well, I think I'm fine with hammering Commander, though I feel like with how much evidence against him it just seems...a little too easy (though honestly, I don't really know if that is indicative of something). If Dwlee is scum here he played insanely well and I really can't be mad about that.

Intent to hammer

[StrangeMatter]

I can't with pronouns right now. I hate being the one to decide the hammer with how wrong I often feel like I am, though I really want my earlier POE to be right.

VOTE: Commander Shepard

[StrangeMatter]

Darn, still really can't be mad about losing to that.

[StrangeMatter]

Probably should've known that scum would make a play like that to get towncred.

[StrangeMatter]

Pretty sure the bus was obvious when the last three people were on the scum though.

[StrangeMatter]

And I mean the Gamma bus

[StrangeMatter]

Nah I wish I had more time to do a better defense

I almost never am miselimmed and it might be my first in elo in a decade +

This is not on you dude

Let's be real, I didn't play that well but there was stuff there that definitely made me go hmm and look closer than with Dwlee