Mini Normal 2245: LJITGBSMoD [game over!]

[Dwlee99]

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Fake doctor claim endgamed

[Dwlee99]

You're probably scum with Gamma

[Dwlee99]

Pedit: like I said I grant that. It’s a gambit because it’s rare

okay but this is incongruent with what you've said to my slot, which is why I think you're just scum here

Like your read on redtea is an easy "oh they're not scum cause why would scum gambit" but your read on me is "they're scum cause this gambit scenario is totally the most likely thing that happened"

[Dwlee99]

You're probably scum with Gamma

And you say this because?

You're spewing gamma scum with your entrance where you say you think Strange is scum and you're gonna "find the other" while angling to push me

[Dwlee99]

But why would I gambit to guilty my buddy instead of just not doing that as scum. There's clear motivation here fmpov to do that because I could have drawn a night kill to get darby to get another result and also just remove someone that people had suspicion of from the game, but I don't see why I'd want to do that as scum

[Dwlee99]

You're probably scum with Gamma

And you say this because?

You're spewing gamma scum with your entrance where you say you think Strange is scum and you're gonna "find the other" while angling to push me

Why are you assuming I am scum? I came in and started reading and what pops out to me I respond to.

Did you forget the premise of your question? Either way, yea I think you're scum here because I think your pushes are bad and scum motivated. Your redtea and strange reads are both lazy in opposite directions

[Dwlee99]

Yea I can't convince you you're scum so it's fine

[Dwlee99]

1.) If I'm scum there's zero reason I NEED Koba dead there. I already responded to this point and you're just repeating it without responding to what I said
2.) If I was planning to kill Darby why TF would it matter if I showed up as not VT to him and
3.) If I claim full checker then scum would know I was full of shit, whereas one-shot makes it seem like I'm lying about my number of shots

[Dwlee99]

You barreling through what I'm saying to push your agenda is a scum claim

[Dwlee99]

Forget?? I opened today explaining what I was trying to do

You're full of shit

[Dwlee99]

1.) If I'm scum there's zero reason I NEED Koba dead there. I already responded to this point and you're just repeating it without responding to what I said
2.) If I was planning to kill Darby why TF would it matter if I showed up as not VT to him and
3.) If I claim full checker then scum would know I was full of shit, whereas one-shot makes it seem like I'm lying about my number of shots

I already responded to what you said. If Jolyne doesn’t die you lose cred. You disagreed without attacking my point.
Because you don’t know what other PRs do and don’t exist at that point.
If you’re full checker then no one would buy it.

How do I lose cred if Jolyne doesn't die. I've explained how the opposite is the case but you're continuing on pushing this bs

[Dwlee99]

This isn't my experience at all. I've bussed while people counterwagoned elsewhere and then rode the towncred to a win. And it's way better for cred because then other people succeeded in getting someone mislimmed and there's a bunch of people to point fingers at that made that happen instead of a scum wagon

It's like you didn't read this post or are deliberately ignoring it

[Dwlee99]

That's not the definition at all what

[Dwlee99]

Okay but the amount of town cred is about how much you attempt to make the lim happen, not just voting it

Scum see more frequently on scum lims then off them, it's about who wanted the elimination to actually happen vs who pushed counterwagons

[Dwlee99]

Jeez phone posting many typos

[Dwlee99]

Like "you look bad if you push scum but someone else counterwagons them and the person you push doesn't flip that day" is just a completely incorrect view of how scum interact

[Dwlee99]

I've NEVER seen someone say "You wanted the scum lim but I pushed through town, therefore you're scum"

It never happens

[Dwlee99]

I don't believe you believe I bussed here

Like you read D3 and think that was a bus? Look at how Koba is trying to ignore me and actively avoiding my push

Strange is town because you're scum

[Dwlee99]

You're still ignoring so much context around things that happened

[Dwlee99]

Alice had an innocent claim on her lmao

But I do think scum bussed cause I think you and Gamma are scum

[Dwlee99]

Like it's easy to see this as a pairing where your slot parrots t3 townreading Koba and gamma parrots me pushing koba

[Dwlee99]

Intentional only in that gamma sheeped me on there

[Dwlee99]

I'm doing this cause rereading the "you're mafia for not getting my message" makes absolutely no sense and I trust town!koba to uh not be that ridiculous (in this way at least lol)
VOTE: Jolyne

Yeah, at the expense of your credibility in future games
I know Jolyne, they’re very meticulous about their reputation.
VOTE: Jolyne
I think this is the simplest option.

[Dwlee99]

I didn't scumread Koba there, I thought the mech spec was funny

I also don't remember if snivy was even implying koba scum there

[Dwlee99]

Except that scum would just kill an ascetic claim? That's like the whole point of the setup what

[Dwlee99]

It's not a policy lim when the setup actively encourages ascetic staying hidden

[Dwlee99]

You're also still missing where Koba said it was a fake claim later

[Dwlee99]

You make no sense

[Dwlee99]

Not mafia (2014) THE SLOT YOURE IN

Argued against Jolyne being scum

[Dwlee99]

Your entire thought process is incongruent and forced together to what you need to present to be able to win

[Dwlee99]

If I rolled town ascetic here I wouldn't have claimed it day one

So your entire argument makes zero sense

Absolutely none

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Jolyne

vote count 3.final

with 9 votes in play, it took 5 to make a decision. day 3 ended.

yeet

Jolyne [3]:

Dwlee99, Gamma Emerald, T3, Jolyne, Not_Mafia

[HAMMER]

AliceK [1]:

redtea

not voting [3]:

AliceK, camelCasedSnivy, DArby

mod notes

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[Dwlee99]

Again, demonstrating you're not even paying attention to the events of the game, just building a narrative

[Dwlee99]

You're doing the exact same thing that scum!mathblade did to me in a PT of a game that just ended. Completely incongruent thoughts, a worldview of the game that doesn't fit with events that have happened, shallow reasoning to justify bad pushes, etc.

Like everything you're saying about Ascetic and bussing is an exact mirror of me being told that "there's scum in this group of five cause probability" by MathBlade a couple of days ago

[Dwlee99]

I could but I have no reason to in a game allergic to limming koba

Seriously just look at how people believed the mailman claim D2 when I wasn't there and I had been townreading norwee and pushing back on Koba's push there for a while

[Dwlee99]

Did you know the hammer on a scum wagon is >rand scum

[Dwlee99]

You're still ignoring the entire setup when you argue what a hypothetical town!ascetic should do, and it's also an entirely pointless conversation to be having

[Dwlee99]

I could have told you that

[Dwlee99]

Here's a question, who do you suspect right now @Gamma Emerald

I have something I want to say.

I kinda feel like it’s you + CS but I also have not done much real work of my own to reach that conclusion so to send that atm doesn’t seem right

have you been reading lol

[Dwlee99]

Why anyone but gamma? Are you familiar with her?

[Dwlee99]

ooo ee oo ah ah ting tang walla walla bing bang

[Dwlee99]

I'm going for Gamma/Dwlee. I hope a pog play from scums happened in this game.
VOTE: Gamma

At least you're right on one vote

[Dwlee99]

I'm going for Gamma/Dwlee. I hope a pog play from scums happened in this game.
VOTE: Gamma

I find it interesting that despite both Dwlee and StrangeMatter scumreading Gamma neither of them voted or fake voted Gamma.

To both of you why?

I don't fake vote and you just scumread Strangematter for voting quick voting in MELO. Which is it?

[Dwlee99]

I think Commander is scum here. Ergo gamma is too cause strange/commander aren't aligned

VOTE: Gamma

[Dwlee99]

Incoming commander vote on me in 3, 2, ...

[Dwlee99]

Here's a question, who do you suspect right now @Gamma Emerald

I have something I want to say.

I kinda feel like it’s you + CS but I also have not done much real work of my own to reach that conclusion so to send that atm doesn’t seem right

I think this is just TMIng me town because it makes literally no sense from a town!gamma perspective

[Dwlee99]

Okay so now we put my not strange/commander read to the test but I think if it was them they'd have just planned to quickhammer instead of voting immediately

Redtea wanna hammer this?

[Dwlee99]

Fmpov gamma is confirmed scum now so just hammer it if you townread me

[Dwlee99]

Incentive: be on scum wagon

[Dwlee99]

This is why I think you're scum with gamma. Gamma is confirmed scum fmpov unless redtea did big brain no kill whatever which I just don't think happens + redtea was defending me against your BS pushes

It feels like you voting Gamma and then unvoting is a ploy to turn the wagon onto me

[Dwlee99]

Also... if you're town then Strange not hammering confirms Gamma is scum to you too wtf

[Dwlee99]

Unless you think it is me/redtea why would you be unvoting

[Dwlee99]

Alice is town

I'm town

Redtea is town

Me, Alice, and you voted Gamma

If Gamma is town, then you and strange must be scum because me/Alice/redtea are town

But strange didn't instahammer so ... Gamma is scum

You have a 2017 join date and it feels like you're trying to dumbtell

[Dwlee99]

If people buy this shit and lim me over Gamma I stg

[Dwlee99]

From my perspective: Gamma is confirmed scum
From a town!you perspective: Gamma is confirmed scum
From everyone else's perspective: Gamma is town only if Me/You is the team

The extremely incorrect perception of the gamestate is how I know you're scum here

[Dwlee99]

What does scum!strange lose from hammering scum!gamma there

Literally nothing

With me and you voting Gamma, the lack of a quickhammer confirms gamma scum because no one thinks we are aligned

Your view point of the game makes no sense, you're just scum

[Dwlee99]

No it isn't incorrect

I can fucking count

[Dwlee99]

Holy fuck did you just lol me

[Dwlee99]

I CAN COUNT

Apparently you haven't learned how jfc

[Dwlee99]

So then the possible teams are
You + Gamma
Strange Matter + Gamma

Oh wait there’s no other teams left

Uh huh keep going...

[Dwlee99]

I'm not opening this thread for 24 hours

Hopefully it will be locked by then because I don't want to deal with this torture anymore

[Dwlee99]

I'm still sold on it being commander

The unvote + subsequent dumb telling of how they should know Gamma is scum is just scum

[Dwlee99]

This would be the ultimate betrayal if you were scum but yeah I'm set on it being Commander.

I'd be hype af if I could pull off this as scum

[Dwlee99]

I would have targeted commander in your shoes but looks like it didn't matter

[Dwlee99]

I think Gamma was using me as someone he could parrot to look townie. Like her votes and reasoning were pulled from me instead of being genuine which is part of why I suspected him yesterday. His vote on Jolyne for instance was a direct piggy back off of me and not her own push. I think I'm spewed town from that cause gamma was TMIing me town doing that

Alice is just wrong, she never explained it beyond thinking I had associatives with gamma while also having Koba completely in her blinders. Maybe she saw gamma just following me around and thought that made us both scum but I already talked about that

[Dwlee99]

I also think it just would not be my reaction to someone scumreading me and my partner to immediately bus the partner they didn't suspect

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee how do you feel about your vote history matching up with Gamma’s a lot and Alice suggesting it’s you + Gamma?

I also think this once again betrays commander's goal to have me mislimmed

Since they replaced in it seems like that was their gameplan because they knew I wasn't going to vote for strangematter so their only plan is to have strangematter vote for me

And then Alice dies and we have this post which I think once again betrays they have an agenda not a solve

[Dwlee99]

I don't know camel, and I don't really do meta anyway, so why would I react to that?

[Dwlee99]

I don’t have an agenda.

This reminds me of that time T3 was like "pls don't lim me"

[Dwlee99]

Here's a question, who do you suspect right now @Gamma Emerald

I have something I want to say.

I kinda feel like it’s you + CS but I also have not done much real work of my own to reach that conclusion so to send that atm doesn’t seem right

have you been reading lol

If it was anyone but Gamma it’s almost a scum claim of him + Strange Matter.

what happened to this

[Dwlee99]

Like you can keep saying you don't have an agenda but when you go from "this is basically a scum claim of him and strange matter (except not because I don't want to lim gamma today)" to "actually gamma could have been falling on his sword for dwlee here" uhh it gives off a different impression

[Dwlee99]

Complaining about me tunneling is like complaining that rain falls

If you want me to think you're town go and case strange or argue the setup is balanced without redtea's role

But you always go back to me instead no matter how many contradictions you have to make to make it fit

[Dwlee99]

Like you can keep saying you don't have an agenda but when you go from "this is basically a scum claim of him and strange matter (except not because I don't want to lim gamma today)" to "actually gamma could have been falling on his sword for dwlee here" uhh it gives off a different impression

I don’t care about the impression I am giving off I care about finding who the scum is. Pure and simple. A majority of my posting has been rapid fire what I saw I word vomited. I am taking a step back and reanalyzing things.

I don't believe you

[Dwlee99]

If you're town you need to convince me of that but all of your posts are seething with an agenda to eliminate me so how are you expecting me to react?

[Dwlee99]

If you're town you need to convince me of that but all of your posts are seething with an agenda to eliminate me so how are you expecting me to react?

1) I don’t have an agenda to eliminate anyone as I haven’t solved the game.
2) If I am town no I don’t. If you’re town I have to convince you Strange Matter is the last scum as in that case he’d have to be. If you’re scum there’s no way I convince you and it’s a false front designed for an emotional response.

3) If you’re town I would be expecting you to cooperate and work together towards either elimming me or getting people to talk about me (especially redtea) to see where they stand and start gathering fake votes on me. Instead it’s more about emotional ploys.

1) is just asking me to take your word when I've demonstrated how you DO have an agenda for eliminating me and have angled for it since your replace-in
2) Convincing me strange is scum is the same as convincing me you're town. You're saying nothing with this
3) I'm giving people space to act because I think it's how they slip up, which is exactly what I think you did reacting to redtea's post like that. If I had responded to redtea in advance talking about you, you would have known the "correct" way to react, but giving you space caused you to completely contradict earlier statements you made about gamma/me as a possible team

[Dwlee99]

I thought I typed something up last night hm

1) Most of your posts have a clear pivoting towards me idea within them. It's a telegraphed way to justify later wanting to vote me
2)
3) There are ways I expect town to react and ways I expect scum to react. I expect townies to have read changes and not be 100% consistent because otherwise they would literally never change their opinion. But to me 1979 with 1890 (and the other times you said gamma and I can't be aligned) show you're approaching this from an angle of trying to eliminate me instead of evaluate because if you're town I expect you to talk about why your opinion changed instead of immediately shading me without acknowledgement of your earlier posts about it

[Dwlee99]

Wall post day let's goo

[Dwlee99]

T3's meta tell says I'm town this game. I don't believe in meta tells, but if that's what you're looking for, that's what it is. It's one of the reasons I found him so suspicious: because he was going around saying that his read on me was based on a meta tell, and then when pointed out that it made me town, he just ignored it and didn't reevaluate

[Dwlee99]

Random but I just realized everyone alive uses they/them. Nice

[Dwlee99]

I see lots of words I say "okay wall town ???"

Dwlee town knows better than this. I am scared

I feel like you're making a ton of assumptions about my play based on ???

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Toxic
VOTE: T3
VOTE: toxic
VOTE: T3
Me defeating t3's meta

I think T3 caught scum for the wrong reasoning is what the reaction feels like.

Me and t3 have a ton of history and I joke around with him all the time. You're really stretching to make something here

[Dwlee99]

Strange can you content please

[Dwlee99]

You're pretty much confirmed by role claim, it's between me/strange/commander. I think it's commander. I think strange does as well. Commander is intermittently going through the game and deciding if they want to vote me or strange but has been pivoting towards me

[Dwlee99]

You're pretty much confirmed by role claim, it's between me/strange/commander. I think it's commander. I think strange does as well. Commander is intermittently going through the game and deciding if they want to vote me or strange but has been pivoting towards me

I agree with everything except the pivoting towards. It’s framing things as if I have an agenda, which I don’t. It’s actually much easier to make a case against Strange Matter but I am more concerned with what is right.

But you!scum is forced to scumread me because you know I'm honed into you for your play on wrt slot yesterday

[Dwlee99]

wrt my*

[Dwlee99]

Pedit: like I said I grant that. It’s a gambit because it’s rare

okay but this is incongruent with what you've said to my slot, which is why I think you're just scum here

Like your read on redtea is an easy "oh they're not scum cause why would scum gambit" but your read on me is "they're scum cause this gambit scenario is totally the most likely thing that happened"

gut says anyone sring dwlee at this point is a scumtell

And I think redtea said it well ^^^

[Dwlee99]

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I am clearly capable of convincing town of almost anything when I am mafia. They let me live that game longer than they should with a ridiculous claim. I know what I am capable when I attempt to manipulate people. So I am intentionally reserved for that reason,

because once I make a decision I have to stick with it

Perspective

I'm gonna give you space to do your ~analysis~ though

Good luck

Actually, there were things directed towards me and I feel the need to respond

[Dwlee99]

Perspective slip?*

[Dwlee99]

Pedit: like I said I grant that. It’s a gambit because it’s rare

okay but this is incongruent with what you've said to my slot, which is why I think you're just scum here

Like your read on redtea is an easy "oh they're not scum cause why would scum gambit" but your read on me is "they're scum cause this gambit scenario is totally the most likely thing that happened"

gut says anyone sring dwlee at this point is a scumtell

And I think redtea said it well ^^^

This is selective and I know factually incorrect. Alice was thinking you and Gamma and the fact she was the conf Town who died bares a lot of weight.

I feel like you killed Alice specifically to come into today saying that

[Dwlee99]

This point goes back to how you opened the day saying something about Alice being killed, not just this one instance

I also am not interested in posting big summaries of the game. If osuka has questions they can ask, or they can just ISO for my thoughts on you

[Dwlee99]

We should be limming here

[Dwlee99]

Strangematter disappearing for the entire day phase is making me queasy

[Dwlee99]

Strange my issue is that while commander and I have been going back and forth you've been more playing spectator

[Dwlee99]

Fair enough hmm

[Dwlee99]

I'm on Thanksgiving break and will not be super around cause, y'know, Thanksgiving etc. so I'm not sure if at this point we just want to no lim and try again tomorrow or what. If Osuka has an idea we can go off of it I'm just dissatisfied with the level of participation today and don't have the time to backtrack at this time

[Dwlee99]

yeah i dont have much time today because of thanksgiving but ill do some reading on my phone and ill post tomorrow

We aren't getting an elimination through without your vote sooo when will you be around?

[Dwlee99]

I hope I'm not disappointing norwee

VOTE: Commander

[Dwlee99]

If you're town here it's probably my fault for tunneling

[Dwlee99]

If you're town here it's probably my fault for tunneling

I don’t think you’re town. It’s a smart scum plan. But if you are scum as I believe yes scum would win primarily because of you.

I don't even know what this means

[Dwlee99]

T3 LOL

[Dwlee99]

^ignore that one

[Dwlee99]

If you're town here it's probably my fault for tunneling

I don’t think you’re town. It’s a smart scum plan. But if you are scum as I believe yes scum would win primarily because of you.

I don't even know what this means

In other words I agree whatever your alignment it’s probably your fault

[Dwlee99]

Osuka show up in the next 9 minutes challenge

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Commander
Still think this is right

[Dwlee99]

Strange where are you

[Dwlee99]

Is it not the same scenario

Also poggies I picked right

[Dwlee99]

Pedit: like I said I grant that. It’s a gambit because it’s rare

okay but this is incongruent with what you've said to my slot, which is why I think you're just scum here

Like your read on redtea is an easy "oh they're not scum cause why would scum gambit" but your read on me is "they're scum cause this gambit scenario is totally the most likely thing that happened"

gut says anyone sring dwlee at this point is a scumtell

Here's a question, who do you suspect right now @Gamma Emerald

I have something I want to say.

I kinda feel like it’s you + CS but I also have not done much real work of my own to reach that conclusion so to send that atm doesn’t seem right

This post alone clears dwlee tbh

[Dwlee99]

I am obviously Town. Cleared by Darby and Jolyne. T3 is spewed Town by Jolyne.

Dwlee for sure should live till P3. Jolyne played very poorly, so I am actually suspecting she was setting up something. Softing Checker to claim Mailman? Makes no sense. Dwlee can be a deepwolf here, but still that is a very long shot, I would forget about it.

Imo it is Gamma + Not_Mafia.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

We can both quote alice at different points

[Dwlee99]

Reread 1916 and after, where commander unvotes gamma after he should be confirmed scum to them

[Dwlee99]

Not mafia is hard to read but we do have good gems like

I think Jolyne is town tbh

While I was burying Jolyne for the mailman claim + norwee lim

[Dwlee99]

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VOTE: Val89

VOTE: AliceK

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

My new partner turned out to be a rat, what a twist

VOTE: Jolyne

No scum votes until after I said I had a guilty on Jolyne

[Dwlee99]

How commander has been agenda-driven since replace in is in my ISO already

[Dwlee99]

Going through Jolyne + gamma joint ISO is interesting cause it seems like they seem comfortable townreading each other pretty hard, but then just flat out ignore NM except for gamma thinking NM will be readable later. You can see how Gamma/Jolyne hard contrast their play wrt toxic/camelcase vs NM. They're interested in killing both the former but actually completely ignore NM despite the fact he should be in the same low hanging fruit elimination space as the other two

[Dwlee99]

I think that completely seals the game because it's literally textbook scum TMI of treating two (or three) slots differently for the same behavior because they know the players have different alignments

[Dwlee99]

Oof yea sorry about that

[Dwlee99]

I don't think it is unreasonable to not expect that though

[Dwlee99]

Kinda wish I knew what was obvious about it being me

I know this is "caught for the wrong reasons" but I feel like a lot of the reasons given just aren't AI

[Dwlee99]

Also I want brownie points that was so a planned bus and I called it

Not actually. I just started pushing koba and then went "should I fake claim a guilty" and got a "lol do it" p much

[Dwlee99]

I knew it was you lol

[Dwlee99]

Also I want brownie points that was so a planned bus and I called it

Not actually. I just started pushing koba and then went "should I fake claim a guilty" and got a "lol do it" p much

Still planned bus.

Cheeky

[Dwlee99]

The complex part was just the "guilty"

[Dwlee99]

I hope I'm not disappointing norwee

VOTE: Commander

When i read this i want you to know that i was thinking: "Wat?"

If I was town I was winning for you