Open 835: D6 | Songs About Ronald Reagan | Day 5

[Almost50]

VOTE: T3

I CAUGHT SCUM ON N0

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

T3: Would you tone it down with the memes and videos?

A50: Brother, like to help you, but I'm unable to

[Almost50]

One would think that in an open setup the role pms would be....open to viewing.

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[Almost50]

I just meta dived Roden, he's probably scum since one time five months ago he didn't make the sixth post and that's scum indicative for him. Trust me he's definitely scum and we should death tunnel him all game because the vibes are bad and my vibes are never wrong.

VOTE: Gamma

That's a GOOD case on Roden, Roden. Why are you voting Gamma there instead though?

[Almost50]

@Meg: What Tine zone are you on (roughly if you don't want to specify)?

[Almost50]

Oh, OK. Cuz I'm GMT +2, so I'm already on Thursday

[Almost50]

Thanks for the thought

YW

[Almost50]

scum probably already willingly bring up self-meta with no provocation,

O never do that. Check my previous games.

[Almost50]

Q: What is the confirmed innocent doing on MS today?? Don't you have.. like.. candles to blow, wishes to make and a cake to eat?

[Almost50]

did I say the self-meta needed to be accurate, or proposed as accurate
no

It wasn't even an actual self-meta though...

historically people who fail to understand my very clear posts are scum

How do you mean??

[Almost50]

I like how this game has nothing going on but everybody's pretending that it's ongoing and forming wagons that get to E-1 too.

[Almost50]

I care deeply for nature.

"Nature is a language, can't you read?" (The Smiths)

Hey; stop me if you think you've heard this one before, but I feel the panic in your tone already. Did November Spawn a Monster for you? Don't ask why I'm doing this though because.. what difference does it make. really?

Also why do I feel that everyday is like sunday; which is tomorrow by the way?

Well, I'm afraid if this charming man goes on longer that joke isn't funny anymore. As usual: big mouth strikes again

[Almost50]

VOTE: T3

I CAUGHT SCUM ON N0

Spoiler:

hey Almost

Hello old friend. How's it been going?

[Almost50]

Early reads, in order from towniest to scummiest:

Town:
Roden
Penguin

Leantown:
A50
ssbm
redtea
Gamma

Null:
Galron
mozamis
Not_Mafia

Leanscum:

Enchant

Egix
Meg

Scum:
numberQ

I can elaborate on any of these if asked but I'm not going to elaborate on all of them right now, too much work.

Why i am not in town list?

Cuz you're an alt of Enchant would be my best guess!

[Almost50]

Did you notice who is confirmed scum, btw?

[Almost50]

(That was a joke on the same level as when I jokingly implied Gamma was VT, btw)

Are you saying the rest of the readlist was serious? because I assumed it was all upside down tbh. If you did mean I was a Town lean to you I would like a short explanation. I don't think i did anything alliance indicative thus far, unless you're meta-reading me. Is that it?

[Almost50]

VOTE: Enchant

Now what is the thing we're trying to do with this new wagon??

[Almost50]

What's an AI?

[Almost50]

I mean, I promised LQ I'll troll the shit out of everyone, but you guys aren't providing me with the raw material. I guess I'll have to4 improvise... hold on

[Almost50]

OK.. here comes.. we all know Danny DeVito rolls Scum more often than not. Like, the guy tried to kill his wife in Ruthless People, was Hacj Nicholson's assistant in Hoffa, and -of course- he was Penguin in Batman Returns.

It thus follows that the penguin is a prime suspect here, and I shall sum it all up for you:

1- If I die tonight he is confirmed Scum. Period. No questions asked.
2- If I do NOT die tonight, he is still scum. He just talked his fellow gangsters out of shooting me for fear he would be confirmed scum.
3- If he himself is killed tonight, he used to be a gangster and tried to quit, and you don't ever quit on the Mafia and get to live.

So, tomorrow we fry the bird with tuxedo and serve it with spicy rice.

[Almost50]

You know, of late I've been like... but.. so.. you feel?

[Almost50]

It looks like this will be a low-effort low-posting game

[Almost50]

I am VT, have fun.

Still consider my idea, because i don't really see how it out PRs (it's very specific, and i think CRUMBS more likely to out PR actually). Because i am town and dying anyway, i suggest you to do in this order (Completly random):
1. mozamis
2. Not_Mafia
3. Galron
4. PenguinPower
5. numberQ
6. redtea
7. MegAzumarill
8. ssbm_Kyouko
9. Almost50
10. Egix96
11. Gamma Emerald
12. Roden

So mafia doesh't just assume someone is PR for "posting too fast" or "posting too late" and other.
If this idea is "Chaotic".
Well. Really, do you find SO HARD to make one belivable fake post or what? Complete disgrace.

Enchant, my friend. It's not how fast one posts. it's the bloody result they give. If you say X is clear and they are in fact Mafia it's not hard for Scum to deduce you're not the Cop. This is why it's a bad idea because usually one can tell 2-3 player are not PRs from the first look, and then 2-3 others help them out by giving them wrong results, so 7-9 players are not PRs (including Scum themselves) and the PR pool is reduced to 3-4 players who have THREE PRs in them.

I hope that clears the situation for you

[Almost50]

My thought process behind scum!Enchant = town!Galron is that it doesn't make sense for them to be competing SvS wagons.

Bad assumption. I "vaguely" remember we had a recent game with all 3 leading wagons on D1 being on Scum. It was a Large though, but I'm arguing the principle itself. It's not that uncommon that Scum are giving bad vibes so wagons are formed on all of them, and it's assumptions like this that help them live longer.

[Almost50]

PAGETOP

[Almost50]

OK. if we have only 2 TPRs we still have another Scum PR. Of we have 2 TPRs the remaining Scum are goons. Right?

[Almost50]

mozamis died in the night. He was a Town Tracker.

Shit! This means 4 rolls out of 6 were 1-3. We either have a BG + 1-shot Vig, a Doctor or a 2-shot Vig.

[Almost50]

Can anyone explain why Moz was the kill here? I don't see a crumb in his ISO, I don't think he made any serious reads, and I don't think he was globally TR'd even.

[Almost50]

Why am I( not being wagoned in this game?? I haven't done anything remotely beneficial and I have no clue on DAY TWO. Kinda feel intrigued tbh.

Also, as for the Moz kill I tried to see if someone had "extensive experience" with him. Turns out Gamma (8 games), Myself (7 games) and N_M (6 games) are the only players than count, and it would be hypocritic to accuse either of Gamma/N_M and pretend not to be a suspect for the same reason.

P.S. Search continues to work in a funny way. It fails to find ANY games for Moz that has Meg in them, and any for Meg that have Moz in them. Everyone else has at least THIS ONE showing, but for some odd reason "No suitable matches were found." shows every time I try searching for one of them in the other's topics.

[Almost50]

Are you trying to tell me 212 wasn't beneficial?

Hmmm.. so why are we not frying the penguin already?

[Almost50]

Click -say- your own name.. go to "player's topics" (down right.. under where it says when you registered and when was your last visit). Your topics are listed and there's a search button on the top-left side. Put "Almost50" and it should show you all topics where I was with you (or at least my name was mentioned in fill .. "Almost50" in them)

[Almost50]

VOTE: egix

at least there's competing wagons for the first time this game

VOTE: PP

[Almost50]

Hi

[Almost50]

I want to effort.. I really do.. I just don't feel like it, so..

Hi

[Almost50]

I want to effort.. I really do.. I just don't feel like it, so..

Hi

Thank you Almost50, very cool!

I aim to

dis

please

[Almost50]

"I'm NM, it's what I do"

[Almost50]

WAIT! Did PP self-hammer??

[Almost50]

What set-up is this again?

The one in which we have no more TPRs alive.

[Almost50]

Shock the monkey.

VOTE: Almost50

Peter Gabriel? Is that you??

[Almost50]

Obligatory CW vote

VOTE: Egix

[Almost50]

VOTE: Almost50
On top of what Galron put forth, he was on both miselims so I wanna ask him why he voted where he has this game

So was Roden

[Almost50]

^ Just FTR ^

[Almost50]

VOTE: Almost50
On top of what Galron put forth, he was on both miselims so I wanna ask him why he voted where he has this game

So was Roden

^ Just FTR ^

Do you have a reason for making this specific appeal to Gamma?

What do you think?

[Almost50]

no u

[Almost50]

I believe it's called "silly questions beg for silly answers". Like, seriously, what was the purpose of your question? Someone votes me and provides a reason that also applies to someone else, so I point out the conf!bias in their reasoning. What's so hard to grasp about it when I had even quoted the post I was responding to?

[Almost50]

So, I guess townies need to start thinking (but not verbalizing their thoughts yet) about their votes in ELo. I don't think this Town eliminates Scum today and it's

obvious

I'm being kept as the de facto mislim of the day and they'll make the move 36-48 hours from now.

[Almost50]

Check the VC

[Almost50]

I don't even know why numberQ is being wagoned. I also notice that Roden and Galron moved there after having been on me. What's the deal with this? And why is N_M already voting (rather than the usual "wait for the lol!hammer")?

[Almost50]

I don't even know why numberQ is being wagoned. I also notice that Roden and Galron moved there after having been on me. What's the deal with this? And why is N_M already voting (rather than the usual "wait for the lol!hammer")?

Can I do literally anything this game without somebody complaining about it

Like A50 do you think we have any leads whatsoever? Can we genuinely scum read anyone when less than half the players are even posting and literally every single person under pressure just chooses to roll over and die instead of pushing their scum reads? RH9 just got here yet they've added more content than some players who've been here since Day 1.

All I can do is vote and see how people react because literally nothing else is working. I can't even question people without them shutting down or acting like scum hunting is inherently toxic and that I need to stop talking. It took me almost two entire weeks to figure out what the fuck Gamma's read on me was, and even then he just replaced out afterwards anyway so it didn't even matter.

First: I wasn't complaining. I was asking for an explanation, which you seem to have provided in your third paragraph. Maybe you could have typed that one first, but I understand sometimes one feels like letting out some of the mental pressure.

Second: I agree we don't have many leads. However, I still don't know WHY numberQ in particular. Why get the guy to E-1 "just to see what happens"?

Third: Based on #2, why won't you switch your vote to Egix at this time?

[Almost50]

Taly replaces redtea.

Now here's someone that will probably win the game for their team. Now which team is that?

[Almost50]

How do you feel about eliminating Galron, then? I feel better about Roden then Galron.
VOTE: Galron for coordinating the 'miselimination'.

Assuming Galron is Scum; why do you think he voted numberQ over Egix?

[Almost50]

How do you feel about eliminating Galron, then? I feel better about Roden then Galron.
VOTE: Galron for coordinating the 'miselimination'.

Just jump on in Taly. You'll fall asleep reading.

How do you feel about eliminating Galron, then? I feel better about Roden then Galron.
VOTE: Galron for coordinating the 'miselimination'.

Assuming Galron is Scum; why do you think he voted numberQ over Egix?

I'd like to hear RH9's answer to this.

Actually good question. VOTE: Egix96 for today. I guess that maybe it will make more sense if Galron, is Town.

To be fair, if Egix96 is Mafia, we can vote Roden next.

The conversation right now is mostly about the wagons that are currently happening, so probably necessary to at least read the current day. Beyond that, this game has honestly been pretty slow.

pedit: Well I'm voting Egix and have been SRing him since day 1. I think his lim will help build associations on Roden and/or Galron. Maaaybe RH9, though at the moment I think that's a flimsier connection. I've talked about this in previous posts this day.

Hmm. I don't know, I still like Egix for the lim. Their play has been scummier than Roden and Galron imo. Plus, them flipping scum will give us a lot more info than one of the other two flipping scum, at least in terms of lending validity to my theory. Maybe there are other associations that a Roden or Galron flip would shed light on that I'm not thinking of.

Well, if Egix96 is Mafia, then are you suggesting that Roden and Galron aren't Town. Honestly, Galron feels more Towny now.

Walk me through this. Explain to me like I haven't been born yet what changed your mind from voting Galron in 831 to get to a "more towny feel" in 844

[Almost50]

You do realise that if I were scum, it would have been +ev for me to lolhammer you? Sure, that would have been outing, but it ensures you would've died before me.

That's a good point.

UNVOTE:

[Almost50]

@RH: You've got some explaining to do.. Let me run down the problems I'm having with you (and I won't even try to bring up Gamma. Just your own posts since you replaced in):

1- You started with a TR on Galron & a "shade" on Roden., then you immediately retracted the Roden shade and decided to sheep him unto numberQ.
2 (a)- You liked my 801 but it took you 4 hours to unvote numberQ. Keeping someone @E-1 is way too risky if you're not sure, unless you knew something or was hoping for something.
2 (b)- Now this is how my brain works: If you are scum you knew none of your mates was going to hammer, but you were hoping a townie does.
3- (This one may be just "dislike of playstyle") I dunno what you were doing with all this quoting posts from other games. You could've just said meta from [link], so I find it sus on the grounds you needed to look like you're doing something and posting a LOT. Many players assume if someone is wallposting they're likely Town. I don't.
4- 30 minutes after you had unvoted numberQ you revoted him again. In my book that was your scum buddies telling you to keep the vote in case a townie did decide to cast a vote there.
5- After almost 2 more hours you unvoted, and hoped "Mafia realises their mistake" (I didn't know Aussies used the English spelling)
6- Regarding your vote on Galron, it didn't make sense because -as you guessed- if you SR'd Galron then him picking numberQ over Egix should have lead you to believe Egix was his partner, and there was a wagon already there, so you voting Galron over Egix looked pretty weird to me.
7- Soon after you switched to Egix, which I had no problem with at the time. My problem is you went back to stating a TR on Galron, the guy you had been voting, and without him having done anything AI between the points where you voted him and when you switched. To me this says you were dancing around before you voted Egix because you thought it looks bad for you to switch from Roden to Egix directly.
8- In your very next post; you decided to shade Roden again, but this time it's in a way that Scum you knows you won't have to pursue. "If Egix is Mafia" is a condition I am assuming isn't true, so you won't have to vote Roden after the flip.
9- When you unvote Egix you say you have "nothing against him". What Town players puts someone at E-1 with "nothing against them"??
10- Your response in 876 is "surface level" at best. You assume Mafia will always OMGUS?
11- How does "Mafia realizing their mistake" = you "catching scum before you get NK'd"?? In fact, what bloody mistake did they do when you had replaced in during this day phase?

Based on all above I can't in good conscience vote elsewhere, and I think it would take something BIG for me to unvote you.

VOTE: RH9

[Almost50]

That brings us back to the question of "why didn't Egix lol!hammer numberQ to save himself?". It's 6 v 3 now, and a lol!hammer on the counterwagon would have been a step forward even if it did resolve the "1st Elo" dilemma for us, because Scum have 2 more shots at getting their win anyway.

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Does anyone have thoughts on what an RH9 scum flip means for who the rest of his team is? Newb scum might sheep their buddy as hard as RH9 seemed to be sheeping Roden.

You answered your own question.

As for N_M, let's just say he did visit the site most recently and didn't drop by to say hi.

My mind is telling me RH & Roden are bus'ing their inactive partner to earn some credit on his expense, but I'm not sure if my mind is telling me the truth.

[Almost50]

UNVOTE:

[Almost50]

Nothing against you; RH, but I think we need talk a LOT about how you play. For now I want to point out that

reading the setup and knowing how the game went

is much much much more important than "meta hunting" (which is not even "the game", but people insist to prioritize it over actual scum hunting for some reason).

You wanna know why I unvoted? because you claimed.. which -surprise surprise- tells me you've been playing a game you know absolutely nothing about. Y'see this is an open setup, and we have 2 flipped TPRs already, which is -according to the dice rolls- all we had. This means EVERYONE left is a VT, and no one cares to ask for a claim anymore.

So, your inexperience almost got you killed, but it also got you saved eventually. Not that I'm impressed, because -frankly- I had expected more from you (this means you left a gppd impression in that dead & spectators thread). I hope you will learn this lesson (and we still can talk about how you play/post post-game if you like)

[Almost50]

I am totally lost here. Like, seriously.. all I know is numberQ & Egix are Town, and that's about it. RH jumps to 3rd place now with that "I claim VT before I die" because I don't see him coming up with that play on his own, but I am leaving a slim chance for him to have been tutored in the Scum PT

[Almost50]

Because they do have a PT and they should know what their partners have been talking about. Unless RH is Scum who neither read the main thread nor the scum PT and decided to just jump in without any kind of coordination (in which case I'd personally shoot him if I was his Mafia partner)

[Almost50]

I mean, I can't tell for sure if you are conf!biased or if you see something I can't see. I am leaning Town on Galron but my word isn't gospel on that one (i.e. it's a weak TR that I can't actually bet the game on). I am more sus of Roden tbh.

I also am not impressed by Taly's play so far, so gun-to-my-head I'd say it's Roden, Taly & Kyouko/N_M

[Almost50]

N_M in my experience has good reads, so it works in his favour that was on neither mislims. However, he also hasn't eliminated scum yet

[Almost50]

VOTE: Galron

[Almost50]

a50, can you reply to my prompt about your post prior to my entrance? also, galron wasn't in your solve EoD3 so what changed?

Sorry, but you'd need to quote or link what you're referring to on both occasions for me to be able to respond

[Almost50]

OK. Regarding 819, I respect your game and think that you are a good player. I just don't have a clear read on your alignment (didn't have one and still don't tbf).

Regarding Galron, it was either him or Roden from my D1/D2 VCA. I was leaning Roden, but with the N_M flip (with ROden leading the wagon & Galron being on RH) I changed my mind. Then Roden flipped green and I am now at Galron + ssbm/Taly

[Almost50]

And if you want further clarification on the you/ssbm: I am not sure whether scum went all-in and had the whole team voting RH, or if one decided to hammer N_M for town!cred as it was obvious I had switched my read on RH too, so the only place I could have voted was N_M and he was going down anyway. I also do not subscribe to twilight trolling much and find your interaction with N_M NAI at best (it could've been real, or it could've been manufactured)

[Almost50]

Do I need to

post

a VCA to have one? I am gathering reads and doing stuff on my word file and giving out the results not the process

[Almost50]

I am not going to dignify Egix' case on me. It's not worth my time and effort.

[Almost50]

I am not going to dignify Egix' case on me. It's not worth my time and effort.

Almost50, your push on Galron has absolutely nothing to do with Galron voting you previously, right? Rereading everything at Galron's behest makes me wonder if your vote on Galron has something to do with Galron himself.

No it doesn't. It has to do with my belief his actions and justifications were less than optimum. I don't want to effort much, so take this one off the top of my head:
numberQ (4): Roden, Not_Mafia, RH9, Galron

Why put numberQ @E-1 here if he wasn't committed to a SR on them? I rememeber him jumping on you too after that. And the last straw was him being on you instead of N_M.

I mean, from VCA alone I could go Taly or ssbm.

You know what?

VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

She looks as bad as Galron on that VCA. Then we decide if Taly hammered N_M for credit, Egix was an early bus, or Galron tried to save his p.

[Almost50]

If we were not one lim away from Elo I would have acted overly scummy and let you all mislim me here (this is my way of saying this game is boring without offending anyone)

[Almost50]

In fact, maybe it was my own doing. I haven't been paying much attnetion and it went so far that I no longer feel like I have anything to offer.

[Almost50]

It would help with the FUN part, but not the solving part I'm afraid

[Almost50]

Now that's one cute kitten. <3

[Almost50]

Not feeling so interested in replying to 999?

I don't even understand what you're saying in 999

[Almost50]

What is going on Down Under? Would anyone like a Vegimite Sandwich?

No thanks. I'm full. Though I wouldn't mind lying in a den in Bombay with a slack jaw, and not much to say

[Almost50]

Replacing ssbm_Kyouko. Deadline is frozen.

Help a poor mod. Lim the empty slot.

[Almost50]

Also..

@Lady Chloe: If you're Town, you can trust me. Bet.

[Almost50]

That's pretty ballsy bussing

I'm not castrated. WTF? (actually but I had to make it look serious to get you to laugh at it)

[Almost50]

What is going on Down Under? Would anyone like a Vegimite Sandwich?

Apologies for this as well. Inappropriate.

Apology accepted.

WAIT. WHAT? How's this offending?

P.S. Not an English speaker, so I wouldn't know if it has a different meaning other than the literal one

[Almost50]

Look it up. You could use some practice while you wait for a replacement to come procrastinate and then throw you off.

[Almost50]

In my defence 9and also for future reference in future games); scum!me never busses unnecessarily. I am not RC. Think of me more of a Titus or mastina. You can check my previous games for yourself.

[Almost50]

UNVOTE:

Let's see what the new (and unannounced) replacement has to offer.

[Almost50]

UNVOTE:

Let's see what the new (and unannounced) replacement has to offer.

bloodhail replaces ssbm_Kyouko. 24 hours have been added to the deadline. Deadline is unpaused and is at (expired on 2021-12-10 20:52:01)

not unnanounced tyvm

You expect me to READ T3 posts?? ODD~!

[Almost50]

i have no idea what rh9 is doing lmao

I don't think he does either.

But he's cool and nice, so there's that.

[Almost50]

IF this was a scum catch up.. WELL DONE. You've convinced me you're likely Town.

VOTE: Egix

[Almost50]

I stand by what I said. Coming up with that specific readlist is impressive, because it coincides with mine (with the exception of previously having your slot at the bottom of them all). So, either you're Town or you did a very good job replicating my thoughts.

[Almost50]

IF this was a scum catch up.. WELL DONE. You've convinced me you're likely Town.

VOTE: Egix

You were townreading me before, lol. Not surprised by the heel turn.

I was?? Oh, sorry. You're right. I was HARD Townreading you, and here's proof.

Obligatory CW vote

VOTE: Egix

Third: Based on #2, why won't you switch your vote to Egix at this time?

Assuming Galron is Scum; why do you think he voted numberQ over Egix?

Or did you take THIS as a sign I completely reversed my read on you?

You do realise that if I were scum, it would have been +ev for me to lolhammer you? Sure, that would have been outing, but it ensures you would've died before me.

That's a good point.

UNVOTE:

WAIT! I did say you were Town (while trying to figure out Galron/Taly/Kyouko

I am totally lost here. Like, seriously.. all I know is numberQ & Egix are Town

Guess what?

[Almost50]

VOTE: Taly

It's Taly & Egix. Wgix voted Taly in hopes he can use it against me next (claiming I defended Taly). I don't care.

[Almost50]

Egix could also try to push "But I ws the counterwagon to Taly" which is obviously a false narrative, as ALL votes on Taly came in this page

[Almost50]

Well.. previous page

[Almost50]

[Almost50]

Did I miss where you defended Taly?

No, but it will be Egix' narrative anyway

[Almost50]

bloodhail died in the night. He was a Vanilla Townie.

That's such a weird kill tbh.

[Almost50]

A50 making up a narrative on behalf of Egix at the end of yesterday was weird. Idk if it means something AI or not, but it was weird.

Can you remind me of what I said?? Do you mean accusing him of doing X with Y as the motive?

[Almost50]

OK, and what did Egix do as soon as the day started? He voted me. I just saw through his play. Not too strange for me, I think.

which reminds me..

VOTE: Egix

And before anyone asks.. I didn't vote earlier because I didn';t remember which game this was. (Or rather what the situation is in this game regarding the mislims we still have in hand. 'nough said.)

[Almost50]

So that leaves Q, RH9 and me. I know it's not me, and I'm fairly certain it's not RH9, so I think Q needs re-evaluated.

And you know it's not me bc I wouldn't put myself in the POE like this.

So, it's not Egix because of the double bussing, but it's NQ and it's STILL DOUBLE BUSSING?????