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[innocentvillager]

VOTE: datisi

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: salsafil baria

[innocentvillager]

nope wrong try again dwlee! i roll town too you know

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Literally when LOL

not this game but I did in the next pandemonium game lol

[innocentvillager]

salsafil baria is not your name?

[innocentvillager]

why is it bad if I’m at E2?

[innocentvillager]

I almost voted you again Datisi just for that then I remembered I cant

[innocentvillager]

oh fuck you’re right that’s the implication I guess but not actually true

[innocentvillager]

I just feel so much guilt whenever I roll scum you know

[innocentvillager]

oh fuck you’re right that’s the implication I guess but not actually true

What were you saying in that post then?

don't worry about it

[innocentvillager]

Literally when LOL

not this game but I did in the next pandemonium game lol

youre so cool it literally hurts

operation pocket the worst 2.0 coming up

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: dwlee

[innocentvillager]

Did people miss IV saying he is scum

ok but that doesn’t mean you aren’t

[innocentvillager]

I guess it's hero solve time: salsa/IV

okay why?

[innocentvillager]

like both why is it hero solve time and why those two

[innocentvillager]

salsa check pt please we need to get Dwlee to L1

[innocentvillager]

So to be clear u think u r gonna die because of cvs and that is why u felt the need to hero solve this early?

[innocentvillager]

I trust the process.

[innocentvillager]

Did people miss IV saying he is scum

No but does scum!him slip like this?

if i ever claim scum in a game there's probably like a >50% chance im actually scum historically so take that for what you will

[innocentvillager]

miller ascetic

[innocentvillager]

No, i've never played with him. Is this typical behavior?

yes it’s scum!indicative behavior.

[innocentvillager]

I hate to be the "stay in rvs!!!" person but I'm not sure I'm convinced by anti associatives between salsa/iv. Not outing those particular reads rn.

well skitter is wrong because I do in fact share a pt with salsa

it’s very impressive that the best player in the game managed to call the exact scumteam as not being partnered with each other

[innocentvillager]

we are unstoppable or rather she is like she carried us in our last game and she’s gonna carry us after I die today like that’s literally why I’m okay coming clean rn because she is going to win regardless it’s actually just unfair if I don’t come clean

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No, i've never played with him. Is this typical behavior?

wait now I’m hurt we literally did play together in defcon .

[innocentvillager]

you didn't play this game skitter? viewtopic.php?f=3&t=86449

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oh, absolutely. I think every time he starts a game he rolls a D6 and if it's higher than 2 he claims scum as promptly as possible for comedic value.

wow when you say it like that i guess some of the magic disappears a little but it's fine im still fine

[innocentvillager]

kill skitter for lying

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no i still hate playing scum

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hi pooks are u actually going to play the game this time now that it's not just a meme

[innocentvillager]

happy scumday pooks

[innocentvillager]

Wait, I just mixed up Ico and IV in my head so badly there, ignore that

Knowing Dwlee and IV aren't scum together... actually does help to some extent, because it means that what went on earlier wasn't theater.

I believe that is +town for Dwlee.

sounds like u think I’m scum...

[innocentvillager]

sounds like u think I’m scum...

I lean that way based off of 54, but that's not why I said that. I think Dwlee would be more likely to realize it was a joke if they, you know, knew it was a joke. (Whereas that interaction could easily have been Dwlee freaking out that their partner just scumclaimed if not for what I mentioned.)

I’m sorry I’m something dumb I have no idea what you’re saying here

[innocentvillager]

@ss i found this string of posts a bit jarring from d1-you

Go on? What's weird about them?

it just feels like, quite a lot more words/effort than i'd usually expect from you explaining kinda half developing reads this early on day one i suppose.

so he's performative

[innocentvillager]

@ss i found this string of posts a bit jarring from d1-you

Go on? What's weird about them?

it just feels like, quite a lot more words/effort than i'd usually expect from you explaining kinda half developing reads this early on day one i suppose.

so he's performative

iv i thought you liked me :'(

they say imitation is the highest form of flattery

[innocentvillager]

i have to say im surprised this game with this plist is still so chill and rvs'y 15 pages in but im not really worried ik people here are tryhards.

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I’m sorry I’m something dumb I have no idea what you’re saying here

If Dwlee is scum and you're town, they would know your scumclaim was a joke and would be more likely to react accordingly instead of acting like they thought it was serious.

I assume that's the part you were having trouble understanding?

@dwlee did u think my scum claim was serious?

[innocentvillager]

dadtisi...?...daddysi...?
i'm really sorry i will atone as soon as i hit submit and never say this again

daddisi

[innocentvillager]

osuka - can you remind me why you tunneled me so hard in that game a year ago and why you’re not going out of your way to engage me at all this game?

[innocentvillager]

ty!

good-ish vibes on dwlee + darby + salsa (i think alyssa's posts are mildly +town but not significantly so)
bad-ish vibes on ss, you, tw

don't really have thoughts on cycle or iv

can you give me cliff notes/requotes on ur TRs?

[innocentvillager]

anyone saying they have a good read is either lying to you, to themselves, or both, and is therefore full of shit

anyone saying they have a good read

good read

I’m also curious in context of this statement, how you were able to tunnel me so aggressively from the get go

[innocentvillager]

I remember that game semi vividly lol

but okay I guess i was just confused because this philosophy that u are taking here with “no good early reads exist” seems really different from your play that game so I was just wondering if something changed

[innocentvillager]

;;;

wow very aggressive pagetop grab

[innocentvillager]

what’s next? are you gonna tell me your text editor of choice is vi?? completely unacceptable

this post brought to you by emacs gang

you mean microsoft word

[innocentvillager]

osuka seems fine? why is he getting votes

osuka can u give us a brief rundown on how to read you/do u feel you've been towny so far

[innocentvillager]

don't question my metathods

[innocentvillager]

are you actually expecting me to respond to your question rn?

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in a less snarky way I mean that it would defeat the point if I responded to you rn

[innocentvillager]

Worsty why haven’t you been pushing me at all?

[innocentvillager]

both of {iv,osuka} are town and we suck.

it sounds like your read on us is strong enough that you felt compelled to say this

[innocentvillager]

I confirm having joined this game, but I need some time to read the scum PT and get advice from my teammates before I can post any further.

welcome a50 i think we are in an okay spot - town seems pretty distracted on osuka at the moment so maybe we can try and push there

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: the worst

[innocentvillager]

don’t think the worst is trying to sort me here

[innocentvillager]

i am, pinkie promise

really? That’s not the sense I get

[innocentvillager]

Am i trying to sort u?

no idea but I don’t have history w u

[innocentvillager]

I don't think the math works out but o k :3

are you excited to flip IV

that’s a good one imagine flipping me

[innocentvillager]

I think it’s p easy for worst to sort me through interactions and I think it’s more likely he is taking my play this game as an excuse to push me rather than trying to get me to produce real content

The fact that he’s voting me without any sort of attempt at engagement feels different from how he’s engaged and read me in the past

idk it sounded better in my head on a second order level as I’m writing this this feels like a weird angle for scum worst to take

[innocentvillager]

I was actually a little worried that he didn’t push me at all this game earlier despite me not really having done much but when he just naked wagoned me without anything else and claimed a strongish read on me that threw me off similarly

I’m not sure how I feel about this rn

[innocentvillager]

idk it still feels like we are in rvs for some reason someone put me at E1 or something (but no hammers pls)

[innocentvillager]

actually don’t I’ll maybe effort at some point maybe not

[innocentvillager]

Oh so now we're wagoning IV .—.

and how do u feel about this?

[innocentvillager]

I think it’s p easy for worst to sort me through interactions and I think it’s more likely he is taking my play this game as an excuse to push me rather than trying to get me to produce real content

The fact that he’s voting me without any sort of attempt at engagement feels different from how he’s engaged and read me in the past

idk it sounded better in my head on a second order level as I’m writing this this feels like a weird angle for scum worst to take

this is p superficial - what would i engage with you about?

idk exactly? pushing me for content/reads/etc? the impression i have of playing with the 3 times I've played with town!you is that you usually try to interact with me a decent amount and from there you evaluate me. that's not what you did here at all so it set me off like your approach was more to just quietly miselim me and hope that i continued low content/effort. the wagon on me felt very quiet and detached and yet you felt so confidently about it. again im not sure what to make of it rn. what seems superficial to you?

[innocentvillager]

This is eliciting more interesting reactions than the osuka wagon

explain

I mean you're having a much bigger reaction to this wagon than to ur own

How are u reading iv anyways

its hard to read iv, ive found. im not sure whats going on with that slot quite yet

so you do remember the one game we've played together? i thought you had forgotten all about me basically when i asked you about this recently but now you're just ?? on me. im not sure i follow where your head's at

also this is the first time someone has told me im hard to read lol

[innocentvillager]

ah there’s the E1 (:

and no I’m not claiming rn wtf

[innocentvillager]

oh jeez we only have 3 days? Double wtf

okok fine if I don’t have anything good for you guys in ~48 hrs I’ll claim.

[innocentvillager]

actually, I’m not sure what the timeline should be for this, but don’t think I will be able to get this seriously until Saturday but it might be too late then. Idk this was unfortunate timing

[innocentvillager]

Where were we

Okay since this is finally happening and the mind hack and worst wagons are boring

VOTE: IV

Claim please

Ok so why do you think I’m scum exactly?

[innocentvillager]

how did you townslip? Can you answer me on why you think my read on you is superficial?

[innocentvillager]

nonclaim isn't going to change the gamestate, delaying claim until end of day is pro-scramble pro-survivalism anti-solving
pro anti anti pro pro pro anti!!!!

not entirely sure this is entirely correct in this setup specifically

mafia are given a free fakeclaim

-A

what do you mean?

[innocentvillager]

?

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oh I understand now lol

[innocentvillager]

I remember reading that part but somehow that didn’t translate into “free fakeclaim”

[innocentvillager]

wait I still don’t get how worsty town slipped?

[innocentvillager]

ugh sorry i don't think ill have much more time for this before deadline yeah ill claim

im doctor

im not really pushing worsty per se more just expressing some anxieties about him about his empirically different approach. yes i know the bar was high before but that's what he did. maybe it's nothing but i don't think we should overlook that slot at the very least

i don't have many other reads atp tbh. this game has felt like it's been in RVS for a while and votes just (deservedly) gravitated towards me because i didn't have much content. it was partly intentional at first but even later i just never got past the initial hump. im not sure why i can't really get into this game and it's sad that i had to claim D1

ill try to get to this tmr

[innocentvillager]

Hmmm not sure i believe that tbh
Dunno if i want to take the chance on killing him but yeah idk

whats on ur mind?

[innocentvillager]

689-691 is a progression with the kind of openness that i don't think most scum players can replicate so leantown on SS

[innocentvillager]

ah there’s the E1 (:

and no I’m not claiming rn wtf

oh jeez we only have 3 days? Double wtf

okok fine if I don’t have anything good for you guys in ~48 hrs I’ll claim.

actually, I’m not sure what the timeline should be for this, but don’t think I will be able to get this seriously until Saturday but it might be too late then. Idk this was unfortunate timing

maybe i'm reading into it this much but this string doesn't really feel like 'town not claiming b/c they don't want to out a pr' to me

i was planning to hopefully effort/townspew a little and avoid claiming but i got really busy at work so i decided i kinda have to claim with the deadline. can't remember if i said this here but i literally can't remember the last time i got pushed into claim range as town/get limmed (actually it was probably a >year ago with osuka but that game had extenuating circumstances)

[innocentvillager]

actually my sibling is a real doctor who does fancy COVID research

but in this game, I am the Doctor in fact

[innocentvillager]

why don’t you believe it?

[innocentvillager]

who should we yeet if we let IV live

can we go back to how you townslipped again? yes I’m dumb yes I will ask again

[innocentvillager]

I think Mindhack is saying they are awaiting accusations of their omgus on you, not yours on them (at least that’s how I read it)

[innocentvillager]

it was not a very serious comment but it was about the perspectiev in 613

i think i'm wary enough to be able to fake this perspective though

hmm i guess it very subtly suggests that you're unaware that scum will just fakeclaim? idk i don't consider it a townslip but i guess it's a point in your favor idk

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i kinda don't love the idea of killing the best town player on D1 unless it's for a good reason

[innocentvillager]

datisi when are you going to respond to my question in the scum PT

[innocentvillager]

I think she's actually reasonably likely to be scum but her town game is so good I'll weep if I'm wrong. she also gets significantly better and more readable as the game goes on. she's also steadily propelling the gamestate and I'm a touch nervous about this game stagnating. :{

- i'm more readable as the game goes on -> why are you voting me now?
- i'm steadily propelling the gamestate and you're worried about the game stagnating -> why are you voting me now?
- least to say that none of these are reasons to scumread me ...

come join the dark side :3

[innocentvillager]

would also vote osuka too ig but i don't really SL anyone

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: osuka

[innocentvillager]

worsty do you actually think you have been incredibly townie?

fwiw I don’t have a strong lean on you either way because this game is a little eh but I think this kind of detached play Is more reminiscent of what I saw in second iteration of team mafia compared to the towngames I’ve seen you in

again this game is just blah so Im not weighing it that much and I know I’ve also been blah. But to hear you say you’re very townie is surprising to me

[innocentvillager]

why would you be n1’d and who do you think would actually do that?

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idk I’ll admit some of my biases wrt you probably is that part of me is putting your game on a bit of a pedestal and just waiting for you to post like 2 straight pages and solve the game or something lmao.

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I’ve never seen SS express emotion in thread so this is kind of a first. gth town because in a game I modded with scum!SS I vaguely felt like a lot of his emotion was kind of self suppressed in a way through to the end and he doesn’t seem like the type to scum!AtE. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong who knows him better

[innocentvillager]

my plane is about to take off but skitter what do you think about SS showing emotion here like worsty and I mentioned

I can find the relevant quote I’m thinking of on comp later when I get back

[innocentvillager]

I'm gonna be n1'd I can taste it.

this is vastly incongruent with the gamestate

@worsty were you joking with this?

pedit: also i realized Datisi might close the thread at any second before I get back so I’m just gonna find it now

[innocentvillager]

Oh also, it was annoying to see people ignoring my setup discussion and not engaging with it when it was mostly genuine. I don't know if the setup was townsided or not, but it certainly felt it. To win I would have had to mis-exe all the available targets except for two (skitter and Menalque), and that would have been except for one if Lucy had gotten any innos.

okay I don’t think it actually illustrates my point as well as I thought it did in my head

But this was the saltiness I noted that came mostly postgame rather than something that bled into thread I felt. Idk if it’s actually that true it was just a feeling, some of you were in that game and can verify or not. I think we’re seeing a little more of the raw direct saltiness coming out here which is what scum!SS tried a bit harder to mask during the scumgame

[innocentvillager]

Alyssa's POE is Osuka/Darby/Skitter/TW/Dwlee

She thinks Duckie is likely to be scum

Since we can't eat duck today I will hammer osuka in roughly an hour

that's a fucking mood and a half

enjoy your townflip

-A

wait I’m confused Alyssa how was osuka in the PoE but afterwards a townflip? am I reading that wrong?

[innocentvillager]

osuka hi are you scum I’m sorry you were hammered

[innocentvillager]

no troll?

[innocentvillager]

osuka we were like an hour to deadline I’m sorry :/ I really hope you’re trolling

[innocentvillager]

yeah personally i didn’t really have any read on you honestlY I think it was gamestate apathy that scum took advantage of

I got really busy EOd1 but if you’re green here I’m feeling a little more motivated now to figure some shit out d2

[innocentvillager]

was it pooky or Alyssa?

pooky afaik just likes to troll on d1 and meme push people with little substance

[innocentvillager]

n.o pooky I hear your towngame as a whole maybe on later days is absolutely impeccable

[innocentvillager]

welp that’s two town Hypercarries dead

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: skitter

So the other one MUST be scum

[innocentvillager]

okay evens is a trivial no elim and setup god is onboard and setup god wouldn’t fake mech even if he’s scum VOTE: no elim NE-1

[innocentvillager]

hi sorry I’m busy at work I protected skitter at both nights

Please don’t vote until I get a chance to look at this

[innocentvillager]

uhh what

[innocentvillager]

I tracked IV to skitter N1 and to no one on N2

? I’m pretty sure I visited skitter last night too LOL VOTE: dwlee

[innocentvillager]

there’s no way dwlee can get a no result in me if they’re tracker right?

[innocentvillager]

UNVOTE: Dwleeuhh I need to thjnk about this but I will probably revote

[innocentvillager]

i protected skitter because I didn’t really have a TR on anyone and I thought SS who I had as townlean was unlikely to die

skitter if town at the time is the best player and who I would’ve killed if I were scum

I didn’t really think much about who got vigged, felt like it easily could’ve been either of them

[innocentvillager]

I didn't put a much thought into who the vig was because I wanted to check IV again and I figured vig would claim the next day anyway

why did you want to check me twice again?

so the consensus here is dwlee can only be town here if scum roleblocked me correct? there’s no other way he can be town? Just want to make sure I am understanding this

[innocentvillager]

*they ugh I’m sorry dwlee

[innocentvillager]

so the consensus here is

dwlee can only be town here if scum roleblocked me

correct? there’s no other way they can be town? Just want to make sure I am understanding this

okay i checked the roles and unless there's a town JK or RB that is fakeclaiming, this is correct. i guess it kind of makes sense that maybe scum could think to block me knowing that there's a small chance i block the kill...? but I didn't really give any sort of indication that I was going to doc A50, i don't remember voicing my opinion on him.

idk it's contingent on a weirdish play by scum if dwlee's town just by pure conditional probability dwlee is probably just scum

im willing to give this to skitter to take over now that we know she's clear. i was like a little paranoid I've been doccing scum given she's still alive but vig claim seems to settle it

[innocentvillager]

is it really that bad if i block scum's kill at evens tho when town literally just NE'd? i don't get why scum would feel the need to spend their 1-shot block on me

[innocentvillager]

i mean i've only mentioned skitter is the best town player by a mile like 10 times and had no real stated TRs other than maybe SS, and you only really would've had to guess my n1 protection because you're going for the narrative i was blocked n2

idk, i guess it's super risky to guess my n1 protection and go for this like why would you risky like insta dying if you were wrong lol. but then again it's really weird why scum would ACTUALLY decide to block me on n2 when we were at evens and they could've just waited for the next NE. idk tbh this seems like it could be a whole bunch of wifom either way

[innocentvillager]

If you acted twice on people that didn't die you'd be conftown, which is extremely valuable

you really wouldn't think im basically close to conftown after the first time? just because I could've use the RB? just want make sure im understanding

and so when you got the no result the second time you thought it was sus until skitter outted she was the vig?

[innocentvillager]

i feel like, if i were tracker, the marginal value of using it the second time is a lot lower compared to the first time on the same person. The remaining pool was narrower that you could've gone for one of 4 other players and had a higher likelihood to hit scum there

[innocentvillager]

This is also part of why I opposed the iv lim btw, I figured I could guilty him if he wasn't actually a PR

hmm this is a fair point that's plausible but could also just be totally backtracked and coincidental

or you were planning on fakeclaiming tracker this whole time

but you wouldn't have known it wasn't in the game because SS is in this scenario the real tracker

UNLESS you're both scum and you know there's no tracker in the game that would be fucking hilarious

[innocentvillager]

i think if either you are individually scum this scenario is so dumb that i almost think you two both being scum is more likely knowing there's no tracker. i think it's possible you two did it for the lulz and if dwlee went down faking my protection incorrectly then SS would look good going into the next day because you can just kill skitter and act as the conftown.

actually i don't think SS is the kind of player to approve of something like htat but who knows maybe he's more of a troll than i think. this situation is weird no matter which angle i think it about it from

[innocentvillager]

skitter if town at the time is the best player and who I would’ve killed if I were scum

why do u think i'm so good again?

well you were basically completely right on your main reads in DEFCON and 2200 that i modded and everyone else talks about your towngame. ive mentioned this a few times in my iso and looking back baseline it's a bit unlikely but plausible that scum could've gambled and guessed who i was protecting n1

[innocentvillager]

well, if they're scum together dwlee is lampshading the fact that his partner had to think up a fakeclaim and forgot that he had one readily available, seems weird to me

Why assume that IV forgot about the fakeclaim instead of deliberately stalled?

if im scum in that spot i doubt i would've deliberately stalled with a post like that - it would be much easier to just not post

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or even just see if his wagon would go away without needing to claim.

well yes this was my plan as i mentioned, i was hoping to effort a bit and provide some towny analysis for people to reevaluate before forcing out my doctor claim, that's why i promised content soon or i would claim

[innocentvillager]

sorry guys m exhausted today will get to this tmr

[innocentvillager]

I’m kinda leaning back to Dwlee/SS.

I know I want to flip Dwlee today but I dunno who their partner is.

I’m not totally caught up yet but I was getting these vibes and then you said it first. Im p conflicted but aorn I think this is the likely solve rn of the three

ik this is a bit tinfoily ugh gut vibe the interactions between SS and Dwlee kind of feel SvS and theatrey? Like I don’t thjnk they expected us to seriously consider SS/dwlee but we are so they ramped up the arguing? I don’t like the way SS is sliming me/dwlee as the fixed solve and interpreting everything I do uncharitably notably my claim which has a very simple explanation behind it. and I don’t feel dwlee has really towntold and there’s something else that gave me heebie jeebies about him but Idr what as I’m writing this rn. I also still really don’t believe the idea that I got roleblocked N2 even if the tracks make some sense, it seems more like a gamble at pocketing me which was plausible

[innocentvillager]

I don’t think anyone brought this up by @SS, why is Dwlee your top townread if you both are cc’ing each other?

Well obviously they aren't

anymore

They were coming into the day

fucking lol

Idk the vibe I get from Darby is that they seem a little too uninformed at times but seems like they are trying to earnestly figure this out on the info they have, this doesn’t really have feel like a partner partner interaction

[innocentvillager]

Oh I remembered the thing that thing that pinged me about dwlee - during our interaction when they tried to convince me that I was truly blocked they didn’t even acknowledge that the scenario makes very little sense and that it was kind of weird. I would’ve expect town them to admit that the scenario was implausible but that’s just what happened.

[innocentvillager]

I’m kinda leaning back to Dwlee/SS.

I know I want to flip Dwlee today but I dunno who their partner is.

I’m not totally caught up yet but I was getting these vibes and then you said it first. Im p conflicted but aorn I think this is the likely solve rn of the three

ik this is a bit tinfoily ugh gut vibe the interactions between SS and Dwlee kind of feel SvS and theatrey? Like I don’t thjnk they expected us to seriously consider SS/dwlee but we are so they ramped up the arguing? I don’t like the way SS is sliming me/dwlee as the fixed solve and interpreting everything I do uncharitably notably my claim which has a very simple explanation behind it. and I don’t feel dwlee has really towntold and there’s something else that gave me heebie jeebies about them

him

but Idr what as I’m writing this rn. I also still really don’t believe the idea that I got roleblocked N2 even if the tracks make some sense, it seems more like a gamble at pocketing me which was plausible

god damn I’m sorry did it again

[innocentvillager]

lol I mean you saying that after I bring it up as a concern doesn’t really mean much to me

and honestly if it’s you/SS i don’t even think it’s that bad if you cc me with that result and you guess wrong. I think the dynamic of the day would essentially just be different - you would try to frame me/SS as the team and SS would try to frame you/Darby as the team.

[innocentvillager]

but again I think it was guessable as I’ve mentioned before

[innocentvillager]

huh where

[innocentvillager]

welp that’s two town Hypercarries dead

VOTE: skitter

So the other one MUST be scum

It's a joke but it's not exactly a townread either

lol? Yes thats a joke as you mentioned

And I posted that on D2, which isn’t the best place to look at for my stance on who I docced n1 anyway

[innocentvillager]

what I don’t understand why can this be resolved tmr

[innocentvillager]

Yes, you did have to “prompt” me because I’m just now mentally catching up (read: me asking both Dwlee and SS obvious questions that everyone else understood. I don’t like doing that.). Not to mention, there’s only been 2 real days, and I’m not terribly useful d1 typically. The read you have against me at best is circumstantial. I stand by my original post defending myself that I should not be your push today because your argument is based in vague assumptions that don’t have concrete base. It’s in both your best interest and the best interest of town to find who you think my partner is and lim them first and see if that makes sense I’m their partner.

Ig sure the timing but i can wave away given irl stuff
But i guess the meat of my argument is the poe and, well, from my pov it would need to be ss/dwlee or iv/dwlee in order for you to not be scum, and the latter i dont really see, and the former ig i'm having a hard time with too

can you remind me what you're not seeing about ss/dwlee again?

[innocentvillager]

If we kill SS I'll tell you why it's darby and not me tomorrow

? well we might not kill SS today

i would rather have a good idea of what the solve is today

[innocentvillager]

yeah idk for me it’s 1143-1144 and it also just feels fmpov a more likely scenario of what happened mechanically even tho all are a bit implausible in their own way

I get the vibe that they expected to get loads of towncred going into final day and are upset that their wifom shenanigan is not getting past us

idk how much id bet on it personally but gth that’s where I’m am

[innocentvillager]

I’ll give you that Darby’s claim is the one that’s “safest” from a theoretical scum pov but it obviously could be totally legit

I also don’t get why Darby’s partner whether that’s SS or Dwlee go for a wild high risk claim while Darby goes for the super boring low risk one, is it a hedge of sorts?

[innocentvillager]

i guess a hedge could make sense when you’re 2v3 meh idk, like if the high risk play goes wrong at least you have the low risk partner doing their thing

but I don’t get the vibe that Darby is like, in the loop with a lot of what’s going on in a way which makes me lean town on him

[innocentvillager]

I have started thirteen different paragraphs with "I mean" in this day phase.

I need to mix up my verbiage a bit.

i mean so have i

[innocentvillager]

The watcher is one shot so there wouldn't be a N2 result to have to makeup if I'm scum

But making up no visit is perfectly safe because of the roleblock, was my point.

Yeah I don’t agree that watcher is a strictly safer fakeclaim for scum

[innocentvillager]

i guess a hedge could make sense when you’re 2v3 meh idk, like if the high risk play goes wrong at least you have the low risk partner doing their thing

but I don’t get the vibe that Darby is like, in the loop with a lot of what’s going on in a way which makes me lean town on him

My truest town tell is constantly being out of the loop.

hmmmmm interesting why do you think you’re not out of the loop as scum?

[innocentvillager]

ya i thinkkkkkk im fine with going SS->dwlee prolly with an outside shot I change my mind about Darby, if it’s dwlee/Darby it’s just gg but with how insistent Darby is on killing dwlee it doesn’t feel like the solve to me. like if it’s dwlee Darby the whole shtick is for Darby to act uninformed and just say “kill my partner kill my partner”

Darby feels towniest of the three

I really don’t know how to read SS, there are some things he says that feel kinda genuine but some of it sounds like upset scum although I don’t rly know why it’s upset scum rather than upset town other than gut ig idk

my interactions with dwlee have felt pretty null but I still find that one moment about them convincing me that I was roleblocked p pockety. From a night play perspective town them does make sense besides the weird as fuck N2 roleblock which still sets the SS/dwlee firmly above the SS/Darby solve

i bet dead thread fucking screaming at us rn i will avenge you worsty

[innocentvillager]

like you said we will deal with it tmr lmao

I still think it’s more likely you gambled on my night target with all the info you had than the alternatives

[innocentvillager]

Looks right.

And the reason I think it's a perspective slip is that town IV would have to ask himself why DArby is so insistent on killing Dwlee whereas scum IV just needs an excuse to argue for killing me first. So even if it's something that is hard to grasp, he'd be a whole lot more likely to grasp it as town because he actually has to be doing critical thinking.

you clearly haven’t been reading his posts if you think the mech is why Darby susses dwlee…

you calling this a slip makes me think you are desperately grabbing at straws here to push me

[innocentvillager]

i just don’t think scum Darby has much incentive to push his partner all day when it was still unclear who skitter would vote and I was pushing dwlee when he could’ve pushed SS easier instead or waffled around

[innocentvillager]

Looks right.

And the reason I think it's a perspective slip is that town IV would have to ask himself why DArby is so insistent on killing Dwlee whereas scum IV just needs an excuse to argue for killing me first. So even if it's something that is hard to grasp, he'd be a whole lot more likely to grasp it as town because he actually has to be doing critical thinking.

you clearly haven’t been reading his posts if you think the mech is why Darby susses dwlee…

you calling this a slip makes me think you are desperately grabbing at straws here to push me

i mentioned this already but I got a similar vibe when he pushed me for my doctor claim

I think he’s pushing for the sake of pushing rather than actually evaluating which reasons are real which I associate more with a scum mindset

[innocentvillager]

sorry have been busy I’ll get to this

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: something smart

[innocentvillager]

sorry :/

[innocentvillager]

yep

[innocentvillager]

g2g flight leaving bbl

[innocentvillager]

it was dwlee’s genius idea for me to vote him and act confused last minute

the tracker cc was just a total fuck up by both of us

[innocentvillager]

*them
no sorry

[innocentvillager]

gg no redactions this game was the dwlee show with a side of everytime SS posted I got a heart attack

i felt like I was locked into a position where every scumteam was implausible fmpov lol, I’m very surprised SS/dwlee was bought as a solve, I too think the risk of instant death when wrong about my doc target along with the planned cc is like really really bad and outweighs any pros

[innocentvillager]

also surprised that people didn’t think to track me in dead thread or SS

[innocentvillager]

IV our theater was so fun, I had a very good time reading your posts

Also I told IV to claim doctor in our scum chat and he's like "okay" and then I ask him to claim in thread and he goes "wtf no ew not doing that" LOL

That ended up being anti-associative for us which was good but it was also very funny

i thought you meant like eventually !! Lol I kinda just did what I thought town me would do in that spot, I had the doctor claim ready

[innocentvillager]

Datisi be honest would u have insta exd me in elo

[innocentvillager]

no clue, as usual i have no actual thought on anyone's alignment while i mod a game

i'm especially interested in feedback on the setup. i like this concept and i'd ideally want to try to run a 13p variant of it, but i would first want to know if it's playable and/or fun, preferably from both factions.

gentle reminder to the scumfucks if they could let me know whether this was fun or sucked

Datisi uk I love all ur games

this setup seemed p fun in this iteration although this was obviously only one of many ways it could’ve developed

some of the prs seem more useless than others but I guess that’s by design. Like tracker seems pretty strong relative to the rest of the roles for example

[innocentvillager]

as scum I did like going D1 -> ELO basically immediately tho :3

[innocentvillager]

yeah dwlee told me to hammer the no elim and pretend I didn’t know it was 3 to no elim so I did lmao

oh also skitter I was close to roleblocking you D1 because I was paranoid of getting tracked

it prolly would’ve just went the worst -> you -> win

[innocentvillager]

oh also skitter I was close to roleblocking you D1 because I was paranoid of getting tracked

surely this would have gotten you killed right? why would scum ever RB an unknown after a doctor has claimed

I say surely but it seems like most people weren't interested in mechanical arguments... at the very least I would have been pretty sus of you had this happened.

I don’t follow?

the worst dies because skitter claims vig that she tried to vig the worst but failed

The worst flips town and it makes skitter look back

unrelatedly, in a different scenario, the reason I was considering it is if someone tracked me n1 they would see I went to skitter and would back up my doc claim

[innocentvillager]

if skitter doesn’t die for claimed vig slot flipping town then every scum should do it bc it’s like the easiest fake guilty backtrack ever

[innocentvillager]

Not sure about the first bit, I think you are right about the second. Roleblocking a doc after a no-exe is mega pointless.

yeah that was part of my argument for why I didn’t just sheep on SS/Darby solve LOL