Open 836: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[Andante]

AYYYYY HAPPY TO BE HERE LEGOOOO

[Andante]

Not_Mafia self voted early, never unvoted it, and dwlee never took the vote off?
and Gamma is self voting yet thinks maf is in others?

Can we actually not selfvote?

[Andante]

I just read the scum PT from mini 2246 and I’m pretty happy datisi ID’d I was his traitor pretty effectively

Does scum Gamma talk about reading a past scum pt?

[Andante]

I could combat this wagon but idek what to even argue
so I'm just gonna do my own fucking thing until I die ig

I don't rlly have much that I feel good about other than what I literally just posted
what the fuck else do you want for final reads?

Yeah I noticed when I had to go find NM, this game has too many replaces, it's DAY 1... I think Gamma and VP are partners looking at this ISO, I'm just reading through Gamma's stuff, and it's like, at first I was like "I'm really not seeing scum!Gamma" but then like how VP called gamma out? idk, that feels off, I still haven't finished the ISO reading, and I need to look at VP's as well as Darby here, but gut is saying something is off with Gamma and VP

[Andante]

I'm 10 pages in. I want to vote skitooky from what I've seen. It's Thanksgiving weekend, I'll probably be fully caught up by the end of it.

Someone tell me bullet points to be mindful of.

this makes me want to vote you lmao and I haven't read anything else from you/dunn

[Andante]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: dunn

Legit think there are two scum in (Dunn, Gamma, enchant, Ico)

Game is moving too fast and they can't keep with the pace. Sleeper scum in the actives.

lmao a VP/Gamma/Dunn team? If it's seriously this easy...

[Andante]

Scum trying to bus each other for distance, but all the pushes are bad, and feel like they stem from having too much info, in my opinion, like at least looking at the other ISO posts, these 3 pushing on each other doesn't feel natural at all

[Andante]

aghhh I don't tr darby though, so that means someone in darby/gamma/VP/dunn is town, but honestly, I'm leaning heavily towards this being a 3/4, I know I literally just got here, but it doesn't take long to skim ISOs of top wagons and go from there

[Andante]

lmao I SR the 3 top wagons, this is funny

[Andante]

Halfway through. A50 and Enchant are town so far.

I kinda wanna vote somewhere that isn't VP but I also fucking hate him trying to act like I owe him anything
It's that age-old thing of "you respect me

as an authority

and I'll respect you

as a person

" which I do not support or abide in any form

Gamma is on the fence but I townread her for this.

Like to me, why would you go "A50 and Enchant are town, I'm pretty certain" then in your NEXT post "I'm on the fence but will TR Gamma for this" like, it feels like you're trying to convince others that Gamma is town, yes you just replaced in at this point, but if you flipped scum, you know your team, so it feels like, knowing Gamma is your partner, you're like "yeah look, see, town!" Cause if you actually TRed A50 and Enchant, why not quote towny stuff from them??

[Andante]

lmao I SR the 3 top wagons, this is funny

You're probably scum based on your own logic! Better check that role PM

You're just mad cause I just showed up and have your whole team already lol

[Andante]

Yall, I don't think A50 should be the center of your SRs at the moment, I truly believe darby/gamma/VP/dun is a 3/4

[Andante]

^Toogeloo scum

[Andante]

Scum know what they picked town to have, town don't know. Hypocopping is just going to circle jerk the town.

I love how you have to repeat this to yourself to keep you from slipping up cause you know very well what we have

[Andante]

Toogeloo is replacing Dunn, that slot is red

[Andante]

Cop should check me, I know my reads are right. so clear andante= I yell at yall to vote in my 3/4

[Andante]

*but, I must say, good work yall!!! I think town is definitely heading in the right direction!! I can't take credit for all of yall's work, I just definitely agree we're on the right track

[Andante]

^Toogeloo scum

1- Toog literally NEVER rolls Scum.
2- EVEN IF it was someone else, I don't see how these two posts point to a scummy mindset

I mean, I'm not going there today, I think Darby is a really good vote, Penguin put the vote here, I'm staying, I see no way in which Darby flips town, I do know I have a town in toog/dun, gamma, VP, darby, but unless the town in that acts towny, I'll just push them, don't really care. I'm pretty dang certain all scum is in this.

'Scum know what they picked town to have, town don't know. Hypocopping is just going to circle jerk the town."
That reads towny to you? interesting

[Andante]

Cop should check me, I know my reads are right. so clear andante= I yell at yall to vote in my 3/4

Can we kill this?

Why?

[Andante]

people were talking about a cop? there's no way maf gave us a 2 shot vig, and I think it's between cop/innocent child

I'm not saying I KNOW there's a cop, literally look at the posts immediately before tat. cop talk. Honestly, I don't care if I'm nk or not? I feel pretty good about my reads, and if I die, I hope they're listened to

[Andante]

literally every single post from andante makes me feel like i'm reading a mafia playing bot that got its "chaotic" setting cranked up to 11

LMAOOOO I LOVE THIS DESCRIPTION!!!

When in reality it was cause I went "ooh yes! I'lll replace in!!" then uhh kinda didn't realize I'd be busy, so I skimmed ISOs real quick, and I don't disagree with Gamma or Darby votes, Penguin voted Darby, I SR Darby, I'm staying here for today. Gamma has returned, and still has a vote on themself, so at the end of the day, I really don't care if Gamma goes, self voting, and making 0 effort to try and go "hey here's scum!!" I also don't TR Darby, so I'm staying on Darby

And with that, Happy thanksgiving friends!!! I figured I'd check in, see what happened, I like where my vote is, and I don't have opposition to other close wagons, so we good

oh and Gamma, if you're town, why the heck are you self voting?

[Andante]

Are you saying that scum is trying to distance themselves by pushing, but I started doing that by town reading my partner?

Everyone treats their scum partners different, depending on who they are, and personal preferences. Some people won't ever bus their partners, and some start pushing partners for the slightest reasons cause they know their partner is scum, so they see every little thing the partner does as scummy, for me, if a push feels off, that raises a red flag for me, and awkward TRs also raise flags for me

[Andante]

Darby, who do you think is scum and/or town right now and why? Like a brief sentence for why is good, and I'm not expecting you to have a read on everyone

[Andante]

I'm just pissed off beyond belief that people aren't listening to my TRs

You were literally self voting yesterday instead of voting your suspicion, that takes away all credibility/influence, and if you're town you should realize you haven't given enough for any of us to trust you.


Is it just me or does anyone else feel like Gamma had an extreme over reaction to losing both our PRs? Like yeah I'm annoyed Gamma/VP/Toog wasn't shot instead, but hey we can't change what happened, no point in whining about it for 20 posts

[Andante]

VOTE: gamma

I think dats is a p weird kill ngl, makes me think there's a p deep scum

I also think that dunn/toog is very +town from the slots interactions with ico

I wonder who's scum offwagon as well

~ skitter

I don't think a dats kill is too weird, dats wasn't on my radar, talked a lot, and honestly, I think it could be up there with fear kill? Dats made me laugh so hard though on how I was a chaotic maf bot XD I mean, I'd say dats/fun and games for a night kill is reasonable, I'm definitely good with voting gamma right now, cause there's a very likely possibility gamma also flips red, so from 1 scum wagon to another, meaning 3rd partner stayed on Gamma, and hey, VP was on Gamma!!!

[Andante]

VOTE: Gamma

[Andante]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald
I’m ngl I’m bored as shit with this game but also don’t wanna exacerbate the current revolving door issue and I’m already on the table so why not just accept death
This is probably why I find long D1s insufferable because I think the puzzle box approach to mafia is how I best function and that requires flips.
Cakez/enchant/VP/A50/Penguin slot are like, all town, with help from PRs this game should be ez money

"I TRed Cake!!! How dare Dats not listen to me!!!"

I mean, are you actually serious right now Gamma? You kept talking about a TR on VP way more. and if you believed so strongly Cake was town, you could've town cased Cake, you can't, in hindsight, be all "told you so!!!"

My only issue, is that Gamma!Scum feels too easy, like, has Gamma seriously just played horribly this game?

[Andante]

Folks who replaced in at the end of the day....can we get your general reads now that you've had time to read the full game?

I didn't read anything after hammer. You're still scum, if anything, skimming Gamma's ISO has me believing even more it's you over Toogaloo

[Andante]

read the full game?

Not happening

SAME!!! lmaooo like, I feel good in my read I made yesterday, we flip gamma here, then VP tomorrow, and gg game over

[Andante]

read the full game?

Not happening

Why do you hate me

excuse me, how is not wanting to read 2000 posts a personal thing?

[Andante]

That's a list of who I think could be scum btw, and it's unordered

hold up, you don't think VP is scum?

[Andante]

I've liked what I've read though

It's a lot of ISO stuff, with how Gamma/Darby/Toog have interacted with VP, also look at the final wagon. VP stayed on Gamma. Gamma will flip red. Gamma was more obvious than Darby, it makes more sense to try and keep the vote with your obvious partner. Idk how you tr VP

[Andante]

kinda curious rn if Andante has the same reasons for thinking VP is a scumbag as I do

Gamma/Darby/Toog's ISOs mostly, they have read as partner interactions, that's how I first suspected VP, and yeah, final wagon sealed the deal

[Andante]

ok hold up, Darby's Gamma read is 100% textbook reading a partner, that's early ISO, means I think I got my VP read off of Gamma

[Andante]

Andante is either town or hacked into my mind somehow -.-

[Andante]

honestly, we just need to flip gamma first, like, there is 0 reason to not flip gamma

[Andante]

VC 1.FINAL

DArby (7)- Sleepless Assassin, PenguinPower, Fun and Games, Almost50, Datisi, Gamma Emerald, Enchant (HAMMER)
Gamma Emerald (4)- Bingle, DArby, VP Baltar, Dwlee99
Toogeloo (1)- SirCakez

Not voting (1)- Toogeloo

With 13 alive it takes 7 to reach a majority.

Deadline is in (expired on 2021-11-26 13:00:00)

Mod notes: sorry, terrible hammer timing with Thanksgiving :/

DArby was executed. He was a...

Spoiler:

Mafia Goon

Night 1 begins now and ends in (expired on 2021-11-28 02:00:00).

Actually, I was gonna give a "If gamma somehow flips town speech" but if gamma is town, it's toog and VP lmao like, Darby was not the leading wagon when I replaced in, gamma was leading, the wagon flipped to a darby lim. yeah, I legit think, upon joining, I had a 3/4 of gamma/vp/darby/toog. easyyyyy

[Andante]

ok hold up, Darby's Gamma read is 100% textbook reading a partner, that's early ISO, means I think I got my VP read off of Gamma

I've been saying this for like a week >.>

~ skitter

AND NO ONE LISTENED TO YOU???? Like, the interaction stuff is plain as day. so easy!!!
Like, honestly I know I just said "if gamma flips town" but I agreed with Darby scum off the gamma read, I don't think gamma can flip green here actually

[Andante]

I've liked what I've read though

It's a lot of ISO stuff, with how Gamma/Darby/Toog have interacted with VP, also look at the final wagon. VP stayed on Gamma. Gamma will flip red. Gamma was more obvious than Darby, it makes more sense to try and keep the vote with your obvious partner. Idk how you tr VP

So I'm scum because I was trying to flip someone who was red in your eyes, and arguably is more competent than Darby?

That's an insanely insulting read of my scum playing ability.

And what is the interaction with Gamma you're referring to? You mean where he screeched for my head and put a fake ass vote there for 20 pages?

if you're gonna fight with your scum buddy, you should do it in the scum pt instead of the main thread cuz it looks super fake when you do it in public

I wanna say I SRed dunn/toog more than VP thogh, I need to recall why, but that's a tomorrow thing, I guarantee you that you're gonna go tonight... yall have 2 brains, and both yall are awesome!! The solve still feels way too easy, it's never this easy...

[Andante]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: dunn

Legit think there are two scum in (Dunn, Gamma, enchant, Ico)

Game is moving too fast and they can't keep with the pace. Sleeper scum in the actives.

Ico is darby, Dunn is toog

like, Dunn/Gamma/Ico, what is this early thought...

skitter, you really found something towny for toog? toog wasn't voting, sure it was a replace in, but if you replace in, you have some motivation to play, unless the leading wagon is your partner?

[Andante]

You want to be on the wagon that goes through so you look good tommorrow and get to push the people on the other wagon.

True, unless you're not here/ don't actually think the wagon is gonna flip, if it's scum/scum you want the partner you think looks worse, and I don't think Darby even realized they looked as bad as they did. I'm kinda thinking gamma into toog here, and if that doesn't end game, reconsider

[Andante]

there wasn't really a way for you to get an elimination outside of Darby/Gamma.

You guys tried to kill dunnstral but that didn't work out that well.

THERE WAS A DUNN PUSH? OMG lol give me a sec, ignore my past comment

[Andante]

@SS- can we get prods on Ico and VP perchance?

Sure.

Ico yes, VP is V/LA.

VC 1.6

Gamma Emerald (3)- Almost50, Bingle, PenguinPower
Dunnstral (3)- VP Baltar, Iconeum, Datisi
VP Baltar (1)- Gamma Emerald
Datisi (1)- SirCakez
Not_Mafia (1)- Not_Mafia
Sleepless Assassin (1)- Enchant
Iconeum (1)- Sleepless Assassin

Not voting (2)- Fun and Games, Dunnstral

With 13 alive it takes 7 to reach a majority.

Deadline is in (expired on 2021-11-23 23:00:00)

Mod notes: my toast fell apart this morning

lmao VP and Darby on dunn... that is funny. but, would both partners push someone? I don't think I've seen that, it's always like, a bad town idea that scum joins. like, 2 scum + 1 town? ehhhh

[Andante]

Nah the way Gamma pushed back on my readslist strongly indicates its not a gamma/darby/tooge team imo

ok, I'll trust you on that, something about VP isn't sitting right with me right now tbh, means we have someone else out there we need to be looking at, like, no way gamma doesn't flip red, that one is easy. Gamma/Darby (Ico) and who...
You're saying A50 flipped the momentum, literally can't be A50

Dwlee's "reads" seem so weird to me at the moment, 1 second I'm in their scum pool, next second "oh Andante town" like, what? I'm playing exactly like I did at eod

[Andante]

LMAO ok, I'm just gonna read the full ISO, scum PT should be funny, like darby was genuinely confused yesterday why I was so certain on them after 1 read they made, I wanna read where scum team is freaking out!! Cause we have to be close right now to a 3/3

[Andante]

it was like some sonic the hedgehog action

LMAOOO love it!! I had limited time, less than I thought, we were close to eod, I skimmed ISOs, felt so good about town's top SRs, and I haven't felt like I had (or agreed) with good reads in so long!!

[Andante]

Andante is the last scum. Calling it now. No way town they come out this hard cherry picking and spamming stuff on the day Gamma is going down otherwise.

Pooky is just absolutely terrible at reading me and will shit tunnel the rest of the game.

Right, cause I come in, and instantly bus both my partners

[Andante]

Andante you mind melded with f&g

we did!! and I like it a lot!!, now I need to read VP's ISO all the way instead of just skimming

[Andante]

I'd be sad if andante was mafia

cuz it'd mean skitter would pull ahead of me in the penguin reading contest.

but like she's so townie

so I really doubt that'll happen.

>.>

<.<

hahaha gottem To be fair, I did read Penguin, Penguin looks like an impossible read lol but yeah Penguin/Andante is town

[Andante]

ego

also hi skitter hi datisi hi ico hi vp baltar hi bingle hi gamma

pengy u better have rolled town this time cuz i miss being town with my best bird

i iz town brd.

town brd indeed!!!

[Andante]

One of reasons why i even hammered is to protect Gamma from wagon, i am not pleased.

hold up, why is gamma not red?

[Andante]

Would it be wrong to townblock Datisi/Icon/VP already?

Ico= Darby

lmaoooo,
Pooky/skitter, does scum townblock both partners early game though?

[Andante]

gamma, why do you think ico is town?

I get a sense he’s not worried about making a good impression

[Andante]

It is definitely Gamma and Ico/Darby, but I'm not sure it's VP right now, so dunn/toog as 3rd?

[Andante]

fix'd

LMAOOO YES!!! LOVE IT, I'm bringing this back

[Andante]

who the heck is the last one. cause I just read an icon/dunn thing that has me thinking it can't be dunn, I'm thinking it's not VP

Gamma Emerald - Flipping red

VP Baltar - might be town
Toogeloo Dunnstral - honestly might be town
Bingle - I like 503, skimming this ISO, Bingle doesn't look bad to me, might be town
Enchant - starts off suggesting what roles town has, I see town do this a lot more than scum, with guessing about the setup, 1500- Sleepless feels like scum in that exchange. overall I think Enchant is town, my least confident townlean, but I'm ok looking elsewhere for now.


Fun and Games (skitter30 & PookyTheMagicalBear) - Town
Almost50 - I'm told A50 was the person who shifted momentum to darby, that makes A50 town




So now we're left with 2:

Dwlee99 Not_Mafia - Read is based on Dw: Honestly, "reads" felt fake, and said a lot of "happy to be here!!!" "excited to play!!!" "no time for reads" I could see this being the reaction of someone replacing into scum, I haven't read N_M, but NM is never an easy read for me

Sleepless Assassin - uhhh idk who this is tbh, I haven't read anything from them, they must be coasting, jk pulled up the ISO, 1846 feels like TMI knowing Toog town, 1956 tries to throw shade on me, like, so what I didn't have perfect reads upon replace in?



No one is suspicious of Sleepless?

[Andante]

I could combat this wagon but idek what to even argue
so I'm just gonna do my own fucking thing until I die ig

Unvote, Vote Gamma

This is better than Dunn. 732 feels more like someone who feels they have no value in this game once they're gone. I don't want to say survivalistic because it feels more like giving up but... I'm trying to think how to phrase this. Just the lack of any kind of "if I die do this" or "let me post some final reads" just feels like he thinks he's going down so his game is over. If that makes sense? It's hard to put words to it.

does nothing about my apathy level rn sink in for you?

Pretty sure I just mentioned that.

It feels like scum thinking their partner looks worse than they actually do tbh like "I give up, who cares?" and sleepless acts like "they're not invested, they're flipping scum, flip it and TR me"

[Andante]

Sleepless final vote was on Darby... for the towncred?

[Andante]

Sleepless votes are interesting

Icon > Gamma > back to Icon when people started voting Gamma, and stayed there

So if we're right, Sleepless only voted partners. And considering Day 1 was a wagon between scum, looks like maf has no sense of working together. I'm beginning to think Sleepless fits the description for 3rd partner

[Andante]

Skitter/Pooky, I'd love yalls thoughts on Sleepless

[Andante]

speeeeeedddd

[Andante]

Dwlee99 Not_Mafia - Read is based on Dw: Honestly, "reads" felt fake, and said a lot of "happy to be here!!!" "excited to play!!!" "no time for reads" I could see this being the reaction of someone replacing into scum, I haven't read N_M, but NM is never an easy read for me

If you have a problem with my reads you could always ask me to elaborate on them. Not gonna dump all my thoughts in one mega post though

ehhh lucky for you I'm more suspicious of sleepless, I'd have loved to hear sleepless's thoughts here before we yeeted gamma

[Andante]

Dwlee99 Not_Mafia - Read is based on Dw: Honestly, "reads" felt fake, and said a lot of "happy to be here!!!" "excited to play!!!" "no time for reads" I could see this being the reaction of someone replacing into scum, I haven't read N_M, but NM is never an easy read for me

If you have a problem with my reads you could always ask me to elaborate on them. Not gonna dump all my thoughts in one mega post though

ehhh lucky for you I'm more suspicious of sleepless, I'd have loved to hear sleepless's thoughts here before we yeeted gamma

Okay so you don't care enough to ask about my reads?

not at the moment no

[Andante]

skitter, is sleepless a possible partner?

[Andante]

Halfway through. A50 and Enchant are town so far.

I kinda wanna vote somewhere that isn't VP but I also fucking hate him trying to act like I owe him anything
It's that age-old thing of "you respect me

as an authority

and I'll respect you

as a person

" which I do not support or abide in any form

Gamma is on the fence but I townread her for this.

Darby and gamma team reason right here. Why would you elaborate your tr for a read you're on the fence about, instead of giving reasons for your solid TRs, felt like darby was trying to convince us a partner is town, an unnatural read

[Andante]

At least, that's what sold me on darby, idk what sold penguin, but penguin put us here, I saw that, agreed

[Andante]

that's an amazing murderbus

lmaooo I like Bingle

[Andante]

i think last scum is just baltar

the way gamma nope'd out of the game feels very much like he is scum and he is mad at baltar lol

considering Gamma didn't care yesterday and is suddenly so mad here, I could see it lol

[Andante]

honestly, if gamma flips red, I'm gonna laugh so hard, cause this game right now is actually funny

[Andante]

yeah I'm down with fast night, scum is probably not gonna want it to figure out what to do lol

[Andante]

I mean, if gamma is scum, it makes sense, gamma was expecting to go yesterday, instead they yeeted a partner, gave gamma the hope of "I'm ok!!" then if partner is pushing gamma here.. hahaha this scum team is great!

[Andante]

that's an amazing murderbus

lmaooo I like Bingle

If some people could wait for me to wake up from my alcohol infused sleep I might have even posted Scooby Doo memes with peoples avatars or photoshopped your avatar into F/G's to make a three headed abomination.

But no, we have to play the game without Bingle.

hahahaha oh no!!! that sounds great!! Something tells me one of the 3 of us dies tonight

[Andante]

I agree with that PoE, like if Gamma flips town for whatever reason, I'm definitely taking another look at enchant. enchant was just talking about a town gamma, hammers it, and leaves

[Andante]

Third is probably just sleepless assassin then?

most likely, SA or VP

[Andante]

I guarantee we're not hearing from SA before Something_Smart wakes up lol

[Andante]

Still don't understand why people scumread VP

interactions, and I honestly agree with it looking like Gamma just raged cause partner VP is voting them

[Andante]

If Gamma flips red, Enchant and SA and Toog are certainly town.

Enchant is suspicious regardless of what gamma is. Enchant was all "gamma town" then hammered it... what is the rush to hammer day right now? You only rush if you don't want people to talk

[Andante]

VP being rude to my good friends? I'm auto yeeting VP tomorrow

[Andante]

If Gamma flips red, Enchant and SA and Toog are certainly town. We can yeet me after if necessary, but Andante should be on your list there if so. Counting on you to not fuck this game up. Pooky absolutely will left to his own devices.

I'm... Not really sure why you're aiming this at me? This just reads as a weird attempt at buddying me when you're in absolutely no danger of being the NK tonight?

VP won't be the night kill, but VP has secured his spot as the lim for tomorrow!!!

[Andante]

VP being rude to my good friends? I'm auto yeeting VP tomorrow

You're bad at mafia, we get it

doggo is pro

[Andante]

Something tells me it's Fun and Games

[Andante]

I'd vote them, but we're not having another 24 hour day.

[Andante]

Enchant with the quickhammer there was super suspicious, enchant literally TRed gamma just before, then like "ok, no longer tr. vote"

[Andante]

Fun and Games was all "A50 has to be town" the only one who really saw the momentum flip, I see no reason scum would leave skitter and pooky alive here either, those 2 are strong players individually, and now they are 1. Fun and Games is 10000% flipping scum

[Andante]

ok so I’m mobile, can talk more later, basically I didn’t expect gamma to flip green at all, I SRed Darby for the Gamma read, so I guess I just got lucky there, as soon as I saw the green flip I was like, “nahhh this is a joke. has to be” checked back later, it wasn’t a joke. and have instantly gotten super nervous about my strong TR with skitter and pooky... won’t vote them out today, just nervous.

I think it’s weird VP is asking about why I called them town yesterday, like VP was THERE, didn’t think to ask then?? now it’s like, are you trying to set something up to push me?

[Andante]

Alright, I finally have time, and am on my laptop. legoooo Sleepless probably town for all the effort, like, yeah I was suspicious yesterday, but I'm not limming him today

[Andante]

Fun and Games was all "A50 has to be town" the only one who really saw the momentum flip, I see no reason scum would leave skitter and pooky alive here either, those 2 are strong players individually, and now they are 1. Fun and Games is 10000% flipping scum

Hello i need more of an explanation for how you went from mindmeld yesterday to this

~ skitter

@andante when u have a chance plz

~ skitter

Yeah, I briefly gave stuff last night on that, but basically, yes I agreed on the gamma vote, but it felt like yall were trying to rush the gamma lim, and me seeing A50 die over yall, got me super suspicious, but like, I've had time to think, I think yall would've killed A50 over Dats, so I'm no longer as nervous in yall flipping scum, yeah. My brain makes 50 million leaps.
If the scum team isn't VP and Dwlee, I have no freaking clue who it is, maybe dunn/toog can get tossed in there? idk, I've been skimming some, Sleepless has so many words, I'm sure they're good words, but essays lose me, I prefer the tldr for stuff not "here's an essay on this"

[Andante]

Andante,
I summarized at the bottom. Could you at least take a look at that? Seems weird to townread me for stuff you haven't read and then have complete opposite opinions from mine. I'm towreading your slot as well so not being on the same page, we should probably figure out why. It makes me nervous that Toog is probably my strongest town read and VP not far off and you have them as possible scum but on this page have nothing to say on my potential Enchant/Bingle team.

I agree with whoever saying Enchant probably wouldn't boldly hammer like that as scum
and Bingle is cool, I like Bingle! If Bingle was scum, Bingle had no incentive to even talk D2

[Andante]

VOTE: VP Baltar

I'll probably end here anyways eod

[Andante]

Enchant, you just ignore the last 10 pages and vote dwlee? have no comment on skitter/pooky,VP?

[Andante]

I can say, I have no doubt in my mind skitter/pooky are town, and am pretty confident VP is scum, so if we just wanna flip VP and move on, I’m down

[Andante]

UNVOTE:

BTW. I'm totally unsure now if you're being you or scum. So well played if the latter.

this is the classic “I’m gonna say this so you stop tunneling me” like unvoting and the whole “idk on you now, could be scum though”

if you were town, I really don’t see how you could even think pooky/skitter are scum motivated, they’re not misrepping what you said, saying very clear reasons you’re scum and you don’t have good answers

[Andante]

So yeah, Vote VP and move on to next day folks. Toog is likely partner, I agree there, toog has been crazy silent on VP stuff

[Andante]

I will talk to anyone except VP here, and answer questions from anyone except VP, normally I interact with my sr to see if I'm sure, but this guy is genuinely frustrating me, I was getting frustrated reading his stuff with others, and here, the stuff he's saying, genuinely trying to anger me, so nah not doing this. if anyone needs me, I'm here just @ me, otherwise, I'm just not talking to VP, putting this bias aside, I do think he flips scum, so yeah.

[Andante]

PoE:
Andante

in what world am I in the poe??

[Andante]

Not_Mafia would be receiving his third prod this day phase right about now. Instead, he's getting replaced.

The most just outcome!

I've never played a game with a mod I loved more

this is actually p funny if you're scum with NM hehehe

which kind of makes sense imo because if skitter's push on dwlee was on a townie I think you just sheep her and let her kill dwlee for you

but since dwlee is mafia you are going to chainsaw us

meh read the wrong name, not my problem, at least I read yalls 10 pages

how sure are you on dunn being scum?

70%?

I'm interested in hearing from you if you think his play differs here from when he was scum with you on D1. Just feel like I've tried to give him opportunities to engage with me in a real way, and he's trying to end those as fast as possible to return to lurking. It's major bad vibes for me.

I feel better about yeeting there than most anywhere else. Sleepless has given me some bad vibes as well. I maybe feel like giving Gamma a pass for today because I can't say I have a great track record reading him.

I guess if my vote is needed on the Ico wagon to finish it, I'm not opposed, but it feels slightly too popular for ambiguous reasons to me.

weird as fuck soft defense of Ico-slot while pushing Dunn for weird reasons

Weird push on dunn, cause you'd be trying to bus. and if dunn/icon were your partners, it's quite the coincidence both replaced out. sounds like dunn wasn't a popular sr, so you could push your partner no issue. VP and dunn/toog is my bet on the team. especially cause toog has tossed me in a poe? excuse me?? no reasoning for it, I know I'm not scummy here, I'm not poe material.

[Andante]

will you shut up about Ate I'm literalling not doing that. it is yet another misrep of people

[Andante]

but she has fallen off and I'm less sure of this now. I think her and VP are unlikely to both be scum so a red flip there would secure her as town for me.

feels like you know VP is flipping scum lol

[Andante]

Sleepless Assassin - I want to townread them now just for the wall posts

You want to TR SA's wall posts yet not F&G's wall posts? F&G's seriously look townier

[Andante]

but she has fallen off and I'm less sure of this now. I think her and VP are unlikely to both be scum so a red flip there would secure her as town for me.

feels like you know VP is flipping scum lol

If I was scum with VP why would I be trying to give you a townlock on his flip? Except to make this argument*

cause you know how VP has been recently, and you're trying to win my tr? idk, I think F&G SRs you with VP, I SR Toog more right now, I'll need to talk with skitter/pooky to figure out between yall, like Toog feels like frozen scum unsure of what to say right now, yet comes in with this garbage "read" that involves me in a poe. I'm not poe material, at least not right now. I know when it's fair to put me there, and it's not fair to have me in a poe right now.

[Andante]

Maybe

Depends on how Pooky twists my arm

Why would that be a factor if you think F&G is bussing me?

If Dwlee was convinced F&G was 100% convinced it was a bus, they'd be voting you right now

[Andante]

well I was 100% sure Gamma was Darby's partner, and we see how that worked out lol

[Andante]

I swear... all angering me is gonna do is just make me not talk lmao

[Andante]

well I was 100% sure Gamma was Darby's partner, and we see how that worked out lol

This is why I don't do 100%

lol I probably shouldn't but once I see connections, I really don't unsee them, especially if it makes sense to others when I explain... like if people confirm my "theories" leggooooo I still don't even understand how gamma was green, I SRed Darby for interactions with Gamma, they read as partners to me... I still don't understand lmao

[Andante]

I'm making a point that you can take pot shots at me apparently, but not respond to legitimate questions. I'm not the one acting in bad faith here.

I'll respond to legitimate stuff, you asked me like 2-3 times why I TRed you day 1, and if I TRed you d1, I said why at the time, and your recent play doesn't even want to make me reconsider my read on you. yeah I know I TRed you at a point, haven't looked back for why. you didn't wanna question skitter/pooky? when 1 TRed you?

[Andante]

ughhh I probably need to relook at everyone, but I really don't want to, like, I know VP has a clashing playstyle with me, so I need to like actually read his posts and see what I think, cause my initial SR off interactions, ehhh the gamma sr went so well... in like 12 hours I'll deal with my VP read, I also need to figure out if I actually tr SA like, I tried interacting, then SA "had to go" like, it's real easy for scum to post walls of text. if someone isn't interacting with anyone, that in itself is kinda a red flag.

UNVOTE: VP

no one get any cray ideas... and no I don't TR VP right now, but in the off chance people get the cray idea to vote

[Andante]

Dwlee99 Not_Mafia
Toogeloo Dunnstral
Sleepless Assassin
Fun and Games (skitter30 & PookyTheMagicalBear)
Bingle
VP Baltar
Enchant

2 scum in 7 people. looking like good odds, F&G/Bingle are 2 people I'm TRing, leaves a 2/5

Dwlee99 Not_Mafia
Toogeloo Dunnstral
Sleepless Assassin
VP Baltar
Enchant


And I genuinely don't tr any of the above.. the fact at least 3 people in this are town? I might be inclined to tr vp, I need to see something first, Enchant... after it was said "I doubt enchant hammers like that as scum" they've been coasting a LOT, completely ignored the 10 page thing, voted dwlee without a reason... suspicious.. and yeah, that's all my thoughts for now, I have a pool of 5 I need to read, that's a later thing though

[Andante]

seemed opportunistic to me

how the heck is me going "vp might be town" opportunistic? you weren't even a consideration for the wagon yesterday. Gamma was getting yeeted regardless of what you did

[Andante]

You've been dodging me since, seemingly on purpose.

lmao I mean, did you notice I just wasn't talking in the thread at all? F&G and I had a real gamesolving moment yesterday, so when I had a few minutes to talk, of course I chose to talk to them, your questions for me do absolutely nothing in respect to solving the game, thus not a priority for me to answer. I'm not gonna sit here going "yeah my read on you is this" for everyone. I know where I'm looking, and I know where I'm not.

Like, I come into today like "F&G is probably scum" and it just so happens that after I say that you start pushing them, vote them? like it was half me being nervous my tr was so strong on them, and half "lets see who jumps on this" but I didn't really get the chance to follow up reactions on that

[Andante]

yes. yes I am

[Andante]

why would I care if you TRed me then? I was just trying to find scum with F&G? I'd have to reread to see what it was, I think I might tr you right now for a different reason though, there's still time, and I'll reread later, I guarantee wherever I said I TRed you there was a reason with it, I don't remember it right now though

[Andante]

ughhh I like mindlessly tunneling instead of critical thinking, I'm doing enough math in my classes right now.. this is like 4d chess "so this person flips green, what's your move" ""uhhhh flip a red??"

[Andante]

I think you are vastly overstating your relevance so far in this game.

ouch. my ego is sad

[Andante]

see, I appreciate VP's effort here, like, VP is like "I'm town, tell me exactly what I'm SRed for"

Dwlee99 Not_Mafia
Toogeloo Dunnstral
Sleepless Assassin
VP Baltar
Enchant

the issue with the other 4... SA doesn't really interact with people (I don't think, could be wrong, I haven't reread) and that leaves 3 with like no content (at least lately) 3 people coasting. I hate reading in coasters. I avoid that at all costs.

Dwlee, Toogaloo, Enchant, I'd really love to see more from yall, and SA, if it's not a single wallpost, I'd love more to read. I don't want you to show up, drop a wall post and leave though...

[Andante]

what changed on us

I liked yalls solving D2, and the VP stuff here on D3 kinda just reconfirmed in my mind, yes yall town, if you're scum I'll be sad, but I'm pretty sure yall are town, I'm just gonna keep yall as town, cause I've never even had a strong sr on you, just like "Why did A50 die over them??" but I thought about it, and A50 100% would've been yall's n1 kill, not dats, I tend to not think before I post, im sure you're aware of it by now lol

[Andante]

So yeah, Vote VP and move on to next day folks. Toog is likely partner, I agree there, toog has been crazy silent on VP stuff

- toog's been crazy silent on like everything
- i don't beleive anybody is pushing toog as the partner

~ skitter

I read a post wrong, in my defense it was as soon as I was waking up lol

[Andante]

skitter/pooky, in like 8-12 hours I'll probably have reasons for yall on why I think VP town, we need a better idea for a lim here

[Andante]

one of the larger reasons being, I tend to clash with town more than scum, like when I was calling VP scum a few pages back, and tunneling for about 0 reason, kinda felt like a towny response to me, idk, again I haven't read much of anything from VP, but the clash kinda had me thinking, I end up in a lot of TvT arguments, and scum doesn't tend to fight me too hard, idk, just an idea, I don't have a whole lot of time at the moment!!

[Andante]

oh by no means am I arguing for town VP right now, but I'm not entirely sold on VP scum at the moment

[Andante]

VOTE: Fun and games
I actually feel good about this regardless of baltar's alignment, Pooky is scum here

what the heck do you think you're doing

[Andante]

honestly, I was gonna read VP last night, but read what he was saying and stuff, I'm voting him out here. literally calling me scum?? what even??

[Andante]

I feel like if he were town he'd be like "I appreciate andante reconsidering, I want to hear more" not a flat out, I'm scum trying to pocket him or whatever, like, I don't pocket people angering me in real life...

[Andante]

VOTE: VP

pooky and skitter are town, so idk where these bad ideas are coming from. "the only path to winning is getting town to lim pooky" is probably what scum are saying

[Andante]

and the fact dwlee, who isn't even close to a TR, thinks F&G is the BEST vote here? dwlee is scum

[Andante]

VOTE: dwlee

I'm more confident on this at the moment, there is no freaking way dwlee is town

[Andante]

I don't like enchant on last page

how the heck would pooky be angering me? VP, you're like fighting me on every little thing I say. it's obviously you

[Andante]

I'm not pocketing F&G. they're town, and I will defend. The amount of effort they've put into this?? like when we were talking and they were like "I've been saying this for 2 weeks" or whatever, they have to be so annoyed with half yall, there are so many moments of genuine towniness. Then you have dwlee, who is doing NOTHING. go "It's enchant and pooky. yep. gg gottem" like, did you read anything this game? the "I just replaced in" excuse no longer works, and I don't feel like they've read anything

[Andante]

I still feel like I'm missing something very important here

[Andante]

this conversation is a waste of time

you r scum goodbye

hahahah that's how I felt talking to dwlee and VP, I just wanna flip dwlee and move on tbh

[Andante]

I'm being a professional gamesolver this game!

[Andante]

I mean, I don't see giant walls of text from me right now, means I'm clearly considering stuff, like, have you not read anything from me? I'm reconsidering VP

[Andante]

at this rate, if pooky is scum, I'm not catching him cause a bunch of people look so bad lol

[Andante]

what? I don't even know what the wagon is, I think you're scum, so I'm voting you, you haven't done anything this game, like, textbook scum, you replaced into a scum slot

[Andante]

Just look at Pooky's progression on me

what about it?

[Andante]

Yall, Merry Christmas by Ed Sheeran and Elton John is my favorite song in the world. so good! I can't stop listening to it. such good vibes

[Andante]

what? I don't even know what the wagon is, I think you're scum, so I'm voting you, you haven't done anything this game, like, textbook scum, you replaced into a scum slot

You said you're reconsidering but you just want to lim and move on... That isn't reconsidering

I'm reconsidering VP? not you, you haven't done anything to make me reconsider you

[Andante]

like now, you feel like scum just spamming

[Andante]

I know I have to big shoes to fill here but I hope I won't disappoint

Dunn is unreadable imo

Will look at others once I get more time

This game is gonna be fun

I just replaced in too andante

If I knew this day phase only had 2 days left I may not have replaced in oops

Also can hammer this cause Datisi is on it

Toogeloo Dunnstral (I want to remove completely but haven't read the associatives people say are clearing for them yet)

Gamma Emerald
Almost50
Andante PenguinPower
Sleepless Assassin
Bingle

That's a list of who I think could be scum btw, and it's unordered

Andante is off my list

Andante you mind melded with f&g

Yeah, "not even reading your posts" they say so much... so if I'm town, and mind melded with f&g, shouldn't that make f&g town?
idk just a though

[Andante]

your posts starting with a lot of nothing, then this "list" I would bet your partner is on that list... makes it you and SA or Bingle, people keep throwing bingle's name around, idk, I can see SA scum, others don't see that

[Andante]

so we flip you, deal with partner later

[Andante]

You've ignored half my posts in the past hour

ok? you've been living on my sr list I doubt the past hour makes me change my mind

[Andante]

"I'm reconsidering" > blatantly doesn't

where did I say I was reconsidering you? I'm not. like, why are you saying I said stuff I didn't so many times... I don't even think you're the leading wagon, so you can go talk to your buddy VP and try to wagon someone else, but I'm pretty sold on you flipping red, and don't really feel like going in circles for something so pointless

[Andante]

Why the fuck are you quoting from day one when I'm talking about you not reading me HERE

believe it or not, your day 1 alignment is the exact same as your day 3 alignment

[Andante]

Let's say we flip me today and you see I'm green.

This is a classic scum line, VP is scum. that's my final verdict. trying to get in my head/lead the game. if VP and Dwlee can't be partners Dwlee is town, but I haven't seen anything to convince me otherwise. VP trying to take the attention off Dwlee is suspicious to me

[Andante]

VOTE: VP final decision. VP flips today

[Andante]

I feel so utterly and completely lost right now.

So what's your plan for not feeling lost? like, you can't just say you're lost and do nothing

[Andante]

they are actively muddling the waters with bullshit

well you and dwlee are the only ones doing this

[Andante]

why do you trust toogeloo's read on enchant?

"cause toogeloo is super towny this game!!" hahahah


Enchant is still suspicious in my books

[Andante]

Right, so possibilities.

VP/Dwlee Team
FG/Andante Team
S/S theater, in which case it's probably Dwlee/Andante which just kinda seems bleh
Scum waiting in the wings
Scum is in one of the four and also waiting in the wings

Can each of the four of you make a single teal deer post on the case on the opposite pair so I can try to make sense of whether anyone is intentionally misrepping/blowing things out of proportion?

So you're scum? I was really wanting to believe you're town.

[Andante]

FG/Andante seems like they are playing very boldly for having two days left

FG and I would be an epic team lmao

[Andante]

I assume you mean any of the first three, considering the 5 collectively cover literally every possible scumteam in the lobby.

The fact your takeaway from all that, 2 of the 5 options involve me scum? the heck?? me and FG or me and dwlee? if you put effort into that, I'd feel bad, cause those are some really bad takes from dwlee losing it and VP being VP

[Andante]

who were the people calling Bingle scum, his partner would be in that

[Andante]

So you're scum? I was really wanting to believe you're town.

?

VP is pushing you and F/G to different degrees.
You are pushing VP and Dwlee.
Pooky/Skitts are pushing VP and Dwlee.
Dwlee is pushing You and FG.

Am I wrong about any of that? Am I wrong to want a summary of why each of those are happening before trying to parse who is right?

How does any of that make me partners with FG or Dwlee?

[Andante]

also, I'm not quite sure I'd call what I'm doing with VP pushing lmao

[Andante]

VC 3.1

VP Baltar (2)- Andante, Fun and Games
Enchant (1)- Toogeloo
Fun and Games (1)- VP Baltar

Not voting (4)- Dwlee99, Sleepless Assassin, Enchant, Bingle

With 8 alive it takes 5 to reach a majority.

Deadline is in (expired on 2021-12-14 17:00:00)

Mod notes: just remembered I was supposed to clean the kitchen today rip

... We have 10 more days of this??? hahahahahahahahaha there is no freaking way I participate for 10 days with this stuff going on

[Andante]

I'm not saying I think any of those is the case,

If you're saying it, you clearly think it's true, unless you're trying to plant seeds for others to run with, cause if you didn't believe all of those could be true, you wouldn't call it a "possible option" I don't think you're playing for town

[Andante]

@skitter/pooky
I really wanna know what yall think of Bingle, I'm suddenly like super suspicious... cause this "list of possibilities" makes absolutely no sense from a town perspective

[Andante]

Fuck. I'm at the SA analysis without links again. I'm not dealing with this today. Skipping to the end, but I do need to go back and reread the context around all of the quotes SA uses.

For fuck's sake this is policy worthy.

So you'd be ok ignoring the dwlee vp stuff, and would just vote SA for no links?

[Andante]

I want to find who I can trust and no trust

Easy. Me. and probably everyone except Bingle/SA tbh

[Andante]

Here's a tldr on at least the associatives. Did you get a chance to look it over?

What in particular do you want me to take from that?

[Andante]

So you'd be ok ignoring the dwlee vp stuff, and would just vote SA for no links?

No, I'm bitching about it because I explained to SA on D1 why it's super fucking antitown at best and he agreed to not do it any more.

I'm not actually advocating a policy elimination, just pissing into the wind.

You sure it's not just an easy excuse to bus?

[Andante]

because there have been too many people talking much less than me.

Who do you specifically think fits this paradigm? I'd agree I do specifically today, but I don't think "Skitter/Pooky haven't posted enough" is a rational take and a lot of your pushing for content seems aimed there.

Pooky had absolutely gone quiet. Skitter was around. You'll notice that is specifically why I was targeting pooky. If they were going to post with split personalities, I wanted to get a feel for both of them

Pooky probably went quiet to let the game settle. No one wants to fight someone for pages, like, what incentive does skitter have to jump in during that? WHO EVEN CARES that they went quiet? not like we have new info right now. VP please stop looking for fights

[Andante]

So you'd be ok ignoring the dwlee vp stuff, and would just vote SA for no links?

No, I'm bitching about it because I explained to SA on D1 why it's super fucking antitown at best and he agreed to not do it any more.

I'm not actually advocating a policy elimination, just pissing into the wind.

You sure it's not just an easy excuse to bus?

I say this cause if you actually looks at SA's posts, they are all giant paragraphs/walls. minimal interactions. ok, so what people aren't around what you are, you can still quote stuff, ask a question, quote something and give some thoughts, giant essays with no links was exactly how I initially played as scum, along with the minimal interactions, nothing about SA feels towny to me, no matter how hard I search

[Andante]

I am not going to continue shitfighting with vp/dwlee because their strategy is to spam the thread full of garbage shitposts and hope town is too tired of it to actually read the argument

lol exactly what I figured. They're using it to spam.

My only thing is, I have 4 people I'm really looking at, VP, Dwlee, Bingle, SA

The more attempts VP makes to try and start something, the more I genuinely don't care what he flips, I don't think I buy a dwlee and vp team, but I also don't tr dwlee at all, I think I tr the wrong stuff about VP, I think I just tr something about his playstyle, the constant attention for picking fights is getting so old so fast, I don't want 10 days of this VP.

On like and actual reads level, I think SA is scum, Bingle here recently doesn't have good posts though. I'm not a fan of the "here's 5 situations" then "I don't actually believe in all 5" feels way too weird to be town, also how he's trying to set up this SA lim feels weird. "I'm not trying to set up a lim on SA" right.. just going "I'd policy SA for this" to start getting me to push SA right now, and completely ignore all this.

Pooky, I honestly don't know at the moment, like, VP is trying to be the most harmful to town, which is why I really don't mind VP lim, I just wish I felt as good as I felt about gamma flipping red

[Andante]

Bingle, Vote VP please

[Andante]

the next 3 people to vote VP are TRed by me

[Andante]

I'm not even going there...like "I'm innocent, not trying to instigate anything" someone else can deal with this, everyone knows my thoughts, not like I'm needed right now

[Andante]

No. Fuck you.

ok whatever... play the game on your own, I'm not saying shit to anyone but pooky/skitter this game

[Andante]

Time has passed, and people have brought up good points, I don't have a solid TR on Dwlee, but I feel more confident about Dwlee flipping town than I do VP flipping town

[Andante]

half the challenge of this is literally just remembering reads, dwlee's frustration with me I can see that as more towny than VP or Bingle yelling at me, so for that reason, F&G and Dwlee are off the table today. narrows it down to still like 20 options, but we're getting there.

[Andante]

Bingle yelling at me

Game aside, I’m sorry I told you to fuck off. As I said, that level of aggression was uncalled for.

It's alright, I understand why I frustrate people at times, definitely feel bad for people having to put up with me lol, I'm more of a "I'm here for a good time, to have fun, and find mafia" not so much the super hardcore scumhunter. Like, yeah, I've missed so much, cause I never reread, I'm just playing by ear based on what has happened since I've been here, like obviously I'm trying, like, I'm reading what people say, I definitely have different thoughts on some people. In a perfect world, I think I want SA limmed at the moment, but I genuinely can't read their giant essays. I start reading, get bored, move on. Half my VP vote here was a joke, and I think VP knew that, I'm just missing something major, like, my reads seem very different to a lot of people, some SRs make no sense to me, yeah. So I'm trying here, genuinely am, still like a year left of day 1, and I know I need more from Toog/SA, I was SRing Dunn stuff, and I SR SA, so like, yeah...

kinda just felt like I had to jump in saying I think Dwlee could be town, cause it seemed like they were the next tunnel focus, I don't wanna vote them out today

[Andante]

and like, the only reason I'm so ok with VP right now is, I don't TR VP, and VP has been the most annoying to me (sorry!!!!) which like, I know voting based how annoying someone is, isn't the best idea lol

[Andante]

oooh the pirate bear came out!!! this game is getting serious

[Andante]

Uhhh Pooky, I think Dwlee might be town, it felt like genuine frustration from Dwlee with me earlier

[Andante]

Just like the ammount of effort VP is actually putting into this, makes me feel like VP could be town as well

[Andante]

Uhhh Pooky, I think Dwlee might be town, it felt like genuine frustration from Dwlee with me earlier

do you really think scum cant be fustrated

well I know they can!! I mean, I'll reread it real quick then get back to you

[Andante]

I hate all the yelling!!! lets just all be friends.... plz

[Andante]

ughhh I'm staring at a Dwlee ISO and my brain hurts. Look, here's what I don't want to happen. a F&G/VP/Dwlee town world. which I'm starting to fear we're in. we need to at least think about other options for a second, and stop fighting each other,

I completely understand wanting to yell at VP for everything he says, it's insanely annoying, also why I'm kinda down to just lim VP and deal with whatever's left tomorrow... I have a feeling we'll take the full 9 days here for D3

Enchant/SA/Toog has at least 1 town... I need more from all 3 of those slots, if we're being honest

[Andante]

FWIW, DArby's absence today isn't doing him any favors. I'm probably willing to compromise on that yeet if we need to in the next day or two.

I probably should go on V/LA soon. I’m moving cities next month + finishing this semester.

I'm not sure VP is Darby's partner, I'm reading through the ISO,

@People convinced F&G is scum, look as Darby's ISO, I think that's pretty clear that F&G isn't with Darby

[Andante]

Andante, what is your read of bingle again?

who even knows what my current read is

[Andante]

I wish I read more of Darby's ISO than just the first posts, way too many interactions with Gamma to be partners. whatever... Gamma selfed D1, Gamma was asking for it D2

[Andante]

Darby isn't with SA, SA is gonna be town

[Andante]

F&G, VP, Datsi are all town from the last few posts I've seen.

Bingle and Gamma are null, where posts feels less solve focus and more expaniding on things already said.

DArby is cunning enough to fake that as scum.

I think I've seen Darby in a game recently (although I don't remember which one) and thinking his play was good. I also don't remember what alignment he was. But gth I wouldn't put it past him. I'll update this after I'm caught up and can look to figure out which game that was.

To date I have no finished games as scum.

Found it. You were killed by my event (also read: the one everyone hated) in squid game. Weird, I go the impression you were more experienced from your D1 play there.

People make that assumption because of how I type. Common misconception.

^This Bingle stuff: I think this reads as scum partners talking to each other, I'd have to read bingle more, but like, this feels like scum trying to just be "towny" by talking at each other, with nothing really relevant to the game
> I also don't remember what alignment he was. But gth I wouldn't put it past him
Like, classic partner thing to say.... "I know they are playing the exact same as another game, where they were scum"



I think the below stuff points towards Dunn/Toog partner, like "I'll go with meta!" "I hate meta.." I feel like if Dunn was town, there'd have been more questioning the meta for 1521

I know Dunn is the other wagon of interest today, but other than the “boring ISO” post, what’s the reason behind it?

Then if it’s meta, I can’t argue for or against. For now I’ll trust it.

VOTE: Dunn

You probably mean the second.

I avoid meta reading as much as I can help it. I’d rather gauge the reaction of those who actually did it.

It’s really unfun for me to read games Im not apart of. :/

tldr: sus of bingle/toog(dunn)

[Andante]

I'm maf.

I would put Innocent Child, Jailkeeper and Tracker. More optimal i think.

scumslip confirmed

vOte echant

I almost doubt first post of the game like this is to your partner, means Enchant likely town

[Andante]

I don't *think* Bingle/Icon team, so bingle town

[Andante]

Reading Icon's ISO I can say without a doubt F&G is town, so seriously, people trying to fight them, just go look at Icon/Darby's ISO, seriously

[Andante]

Bingle is town.

could you elaborate on this claim

Found his explanation of optimal town play related to the roles to be authentic in trying to simply explain what he saw as the best moves for town.

which is like the easiest thing for scum to use and gain town credit
that's an easy read you make there VP

I'm not so sure scum says this to their partner so early in the game

[Andante]

Actually, unless Dwlee gives content, I might be down to just flip them, cause N_M had nothing, Dwlee nothing....

[Andante]

Dunn (Toogaloo) is looking like a bus, well, what started as partner interactions, but then was like a slight push on a partner

VOTE: Penguin_Power

Boring Iso

this is a remarkable post if you read Dunn's ISO up until this post lol

VOTE: Fun and Games

Serious vote?

311-313 felt like they were preempting their argument in a scummy way

oh actually a serious vote?

what was preempting about it? and what made it scummy?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: dunn

Legit think there are two scum in (Dunn, Gamma, enchant, Ico)

Game is moving too fast and they can't keep with the pace. Sleeper scum in the actives.

i've got scumpings on echant and Dunn, i don't *really* agree with the other 2 names you got there

also there's more to be said about Dunn then just being reactionary and not freeflowing. why not bring those points up?
it's a very shallow and general binning of like 4? players?

[Andante]

Question for yall cause you read the game, was Dwlee pushing F&G as scum? is that what started the pages of whatnot?

[Andante]

nvm I'll go read

[Andante]

Question for yall cause you read the game, was Dwlee pushing F&G as scum? is that what started the pages of whatnot?

Dwlee said FG & I were scum busing each other and then voted enchant.

Ahh ok perfect, I remember that now

VOTE: Dwlee

I think this puts Dwlee E1

[Andante]

Like, just 1 look at Darby's / Icon's ISO, and it's like mega clear F&G isn't partnered with that slot, so, Dwlee doing 0 reading? for a slot that has coasted all game? I can't be convinced Dwlee is trying

[Andante]

UNVOTE: Dwlee

yeah you right

[Andante]

wow... I joined the conversation to blindly defend Dwlee hahahahaha yall talked me into trying, and now my vote is on (in spirit)

[Andante]

I just feel like I'm gonna be the reason town goes spiraling into a loss ughhh I don't see Dwlee flipping green, but like, ughhh idk, I just wanna flip Dwlee and move on

[Andante]

Dwlee has two votes, one of which IS hammer boy.

I thought VP made it 3.. is F&G already voting Dwlee?

[Andante]

I genuinely do not believe Dwlee is town, it feels like they've done less reading than me by a lot, and only scum wouldn't have motivation to read anything, cause they're not trying to find their partner, wait... All 3 scum got replaced?
Icon/Darby
N_M/Dwlee
Dunn/Toogaloo

[Andante]

Dwlee has two votes, one of which IS hammer boy.

I thought VP made it 3.. is F&G already voting Dwlee?

No they’re on VP I think.

that's what I thought, so it's not hammered yet

[Andante]

ico, i'd like some shotgun reads when you catch up, aight?

this i can do

Townie

A50 prob town, really reading like his previous game recently
SirC
Bingle

Varying degrees of nullishness

Datisi
Not_Maf
SA
Enchant

Scummy

Dunn
GE
VP
Fun and Games

Probably not all players in the game, i'd actually need to look up the playerlist

That’s a very weirdchamp scumpool
That’d be a team committed to some pretty weird distancing no matter how you slice it
Can you rationalize that, or at least tell me how much associatives play into this?

zero associatives

I think you still voting for me right now is a bad look

lol Dunn + Icon partners? yes...