Micro 1035: Commandless Chain of Command [game over!]

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VOTE: osuka

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wait
VOTE: innocent villager

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VOTE: dwlee final offer

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ok ok you twisted my arm
VOTE: IV

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aw damn, caught again.

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Literally when LOL

not this game but I did in the next pandemonium game lol

youre so cool it literally hurts

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UNVOTE: the worst

VOTE: Cycle

wait what. talk me thru why youre unvoting me here?

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Um, why do you think I've any reason to vote you in the 1st place?

I think I'm p scummy

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VOTE: dwlee

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Did people miss IV saying he is scum

no, what struck you as scummy about it

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Did people miss IV saying he is scum

Uh yeah why are we glossing over this

you've met IV right

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popcorn to the duck

this early? sure ok. I'm a two shot tracker.

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I hate to be the "stay in rvs!!!" person but I'm not sure I'm convinced by anti associatives between salsa/iv. Not outing those particular reads rn.

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I shall be your bucket of water, bicycle pal
lmk if I should know who you are

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@dwlee: at the very least, i don't think salsa is scum with iv - her lolvotes on tw/cycle seem to ~uninvolved~ / ~uninterested~ if she were scum with iv
like i think she'd have some sort of comment to you on that if partners with them, vs just lolvoting someone because they didn't vote yet

Ignoring the push on her partner doesn't seem like something salsa wouldn't do

I feel like she's have some sort of reaction

Did people miss IV saying he is scum

Uh yeah why are we glossing over this

you've met IV right

No, i've never played with him. Is this typical behavior?

oh, absolutely. I think every time he starts a game he rolls a D6 and if it's higher than 2 he claims scum as promptly as possible for comedic value.

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gosh dang i'm so keen. i love a mystery.

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VOTE: IV

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I still like dwlee tho

why?

i like them too just wondering

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I shall be your bucket of water, bicycle pal
lmk if I should know who you are

i think you'll figure it out :^)

I stayed up all night sorting every account who's ever signed up for mafiascum.net into two categories:
- users who would use the :^) emoticon.
- users who wouldn't use the :^) emoticon.

I then sorted the users who would by probability of them using it within 5 posts of entering a game with a meme and I have a shortlist of only 1362 people

I'm closing in on you Cycle. I will catch you.

btw evidence suggests only 2.6 people in this game would ever use the :^) emoticon. this post doesn't count because I'm using it for science, not joy.

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I was just wondering why you unvoted him tbh

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I'm wondering how to explain this. I think, scum claim aside, his play so far weakly trends away from analysis and towards being as cute as he can possibly muster and that loosely aligns with his scum skillset. this is a finer line than I'm giving it credit for but yeet

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yeah true, its definitely part of the package to an extent. IV used to be really polarised but now he finds playing scum fun (I think) and I can only really read him by tormenting him. nicely.

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Ill try my best.

I think we both think Sal and Dwlee are slightly towny? that's about all I got so far (except that osuka is hard unaligned with #ff4080).

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he definitely, at the very least, proceeds with a scum role pm by trying to extract as much fun from it as humanely possible which afaict has been a trend of his for 18-24mnths or something like that

FLAVOUR

this is so good it hurts

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don't think being fun & flippant is ai for him

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skitter, wanna start a 1v1 so folks have stuff to comment on?

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did you just sign off a post from your main account? that's such a scummy thing to do

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VOTE: Dwlee

And we’ve gone out of RVS.

VOTE: Dwlee

And we’ve gone out of RVS.

How?

I caught scum.

Why

Dwlee

is scum?

Because

I caught them

.

Trust the process.

Yeah that's about where i'm at too. I dont really have a lot of reads yet, which is weird

Hm.

there's a kind of mindset peculiarity here now that i'm thinking about it more.
darby is in a hurry to push out of rvs (which is like, great) but i feel like dwlee is probably the most vocally solve-ey person itt atm. i think there's reasons to press against dwlee so far but they're also reasonably well townread so pushing back against this seems like it's against the grain.

despite all of this darby doesn't:
- actually seem interested in playing a post-rvs game; just in having an early serious vote;
- appear to present any urgency in pushing dwlee against others' townreads on them.

pedit:

but either way: i don't believe that's something you actually think is scummy!!!1!

aha but this sentence implies that you think i'm looking for things to find scummy which means you think i'm actually scumhutning which means you know i'm town! but you're still voting me!!! perspective slip!!!!!
VOTE: skitter

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that was a lot more fun than deciding whether or not to vote darby, thank you

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oh snap i just became town. i was already town, but i became town again. like you know when you're awake and then suddenly you wake up? that. but with town.

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darby why are you voting dwlee

tw: you think scum can't pretend to scumhunt!!1!!!

pedit i am town

they can pretend to scumhunt but it's PRETNEDING. which means it's not a real thought but you thought i was really thinking real thoughts which means you don't think i'm scum!!!eleven!

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i mean there might be a process but i'm not trusting you

this one

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i'm actually a little worried you're scum skitter lol but i want that to be wrong so badly

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- i thought the exact same thing and i know i'm town

is this a factor in your read on dwlee?

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i mean there might be a process but i'm not trusting you

Well okay so:

Dwlee is too complex a player to make the initial push in 26 in a literal way and I don’t think town them would do that.

even if they don't know iv?

@tw: eh a little bit. like i think they're townie, and i like they have the same thoughts as me, but i don't think they're townie *because* they have the same thoughts if that makes sense

yeah v similar to how i feel

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I think the way it kind of slipped out rather than directly is more likely scum though

allowing that DArby is apparently tryin something out with the "i'll tell you later" thing -- why is this?

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oh hahaha

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it's been less prolific lately than i thought!!
recent scumgame
scumgame didn't claim scumhttps://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87680
towngame didn't claim scum
towngame didn't claim scum
scumgame immediately softclaimed scum
towngame didn't claim scum
towngame didn't claim scum



cult game can't remember


regardless like, lolclaiming/softing scum is part of iv's shtick and i do not think it "slipped out"

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no i still hate playing scum

lies

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pagetop!

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dw about it, my calculations strongly suggested dwlee would use the :^) face. we're unlikely to see anyone else using it.

except this post. this post is just for science.

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i mean there might be a process but i'm not trusting you

Well okay so:

Dwlee is too complex a player to make the initial push in 26 in a literal way and I don’t think town them would do that.

i think dwlee just said what i was thinking about them. but like, yeah - being a "complex" player doesn't disqualify you from making weak pushes in the earlygame. it might be a good indicator of negligence if your reads are lacking integrity later in the game but i'm not sure i pick up what ur putting down.

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dw about it, my calculations strongly suggested dwlee would use the :^) face. we're unlikely to see anyone else using it.

except this post. this post is just for science.

I knew this because I've used it in the past

exactly. i pored through all of your posts on-site and profiled you as a :^) user, or a user who is highly likely to succumb to the influence of :^).

again, this post isn't use of the :^) face, just a scientific observation.

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But yeah Dwlee clear.

Scum read reverted.

What convinced u that u were wrong

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default colours would be super nice please. my poor eye jelly babies need it.

salsabil why vote darby there? just like a 50 word explanation max would help so much. it feels like you're just having a laugh but I think the thread is (finally) turning serious a little.

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Pooky do u actually scumread me here or is this a meme?

if you're mafia this is a very serious scumread

if you're town this is obviously a meme

this is about how I feel

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Hi Duckie!

How excited do you feel to be scum with your favorite Tiger on a scale of 1 to 126?

skitter and i have been scumbuddies irl for a long time
tragically, it still hasn't happened ingame.

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I'm closing in on you Cycle. I will catch you.

update - my crack team of private investigators tracked cycle men down to a small cafe on the outskirts of osorno. before they could close in, he cycled away.
you're going down, cycle men. you have no idea the reckoning that's coming for you.

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This looks terrible on mobile lmao

oh yeah my bad

it says daddy

In hindsight I should have realised this

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I'm wondering how to explain this. I think, scum claim aside, his play so far weakly trends away from analysis and towards being as cute as he can possibly muster and that loosely aligns with his scum skillset. this is a finer line than I'm giving it credit for but yeet

i think ive seen town iv do that though? ive definitely seen him do that and i'm pretty sure he was town, but really who knows

does that help you work out his alignment here?

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pooky i admire your bravado but you literally have a 0% read rate on me. you have not read me correctly a single time ever. you are not good at this. i'll just be chillin until you stop generating several pages of shitposting arrogant bad reads.

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ftr skitter isn't upper echelon townread for me but i'd rather policy elim you for spamming than lim her atm lol

can you talk me thru what you're seeing or are you just gonna keep taking dumps on the thread

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currently {tw, darby, dwlee} has 0 scum.
mindiva are trending this way based on salabil but i'm not sold on it.
skitter very loosely trending this way with the caveat that i literally have no way to confidently read her right now lol

if i had to throw out a vote i felt good about it'd be on SS. the push on cycle men is kinda :shrug:, it could be right but it's sluggish.
osuka/iv no idea.

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pooky i admire your bravado but you literally have a 0% read rate on me. you have not read me correctly a single time ever. you are not good at this. i'll just be chillin until you stop generating several pages of shitposting arrogant bad reads.

but think about it

if I'm 0% right

then I'm just trying to make you town

tru tru
only because i put u in your place tho x

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@ss i found this string of posts a bit jarring from d1-you

Wait, I just mixed up Ico and IV in my head so badly there, ignore that

Knowing Dwlee and IV aren't scum together... actually does help to some extent, because it means that what went on earlier wasn't theater.

I believe that is +town for Dwlee.

i'm actually a little worried you're scum skitter lol but i want that to be wrong so badly

To a rough approximation, my plan for dealing with skitter is to give her a chance to go god-mode and if it seems to be taking her a while then she's probably scum.

There was more to this post but I realized it didn't actually make anything clearer

Pages 6-9 are just shitposting

It's been a hot minute since I played with Alyssa I kinda just want to take a similar angle to skitter. This is a micro though so we can't be giving too many people extra days. Hmm

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@ss i found this string of posts a bit jarring from d1-you

Go on? What's weird about them?

it just feels like, quite a lot more words/effort than i'd usually expect from you explaining kinda half developing reads this early on day one i suppose.

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dadtisi...?...daddysi...?
i'm really sorry i will atone as soon as i hit submit and never say this again

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awful kind of ya.

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Am I the only one feeling this?

-A

no but i tend towards it indicating that scum are inactive tbh

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@ss i found this string of posts a bit jarring from d1-you

Go on? What's weird about them?

it just feels like, quite a lot more words/effort than i'd usually expect from you explaining kinda half developing reads this early on day one i suppose.

so he's performative

iv i thought you liked me :'(

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i'm only being nice to datisi!

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and my favourite tiger, ss.

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let's go on an adventure
VOTE: skitter

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mistyped.
VOTE: ss

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Tw u do feel kinda off to me

its OK I feel kinda off to me too

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either you're not giving yourself enough credit, or limp mushrooms became a lot cooler while I wasn't looking.

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VOTE: osuka was probably planning to hold off another day or so but

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Tw can u talk to me a bit abt how ur reading me?

Also: why osuka?

ahhh i have no idea
i'm treating you as though you're town like, right now (despite our 1v1 ) and currently praying that is correct

either you're not giving yourself enough credit, or limp mushrooms became a lot cooler while I wasn't looking.

I mean, I'm using charisma in the mafia sense of the ability to get people to listen to and follow me... you saw what happened in 8-ball.

king ss you were radiant in 8 ball! and i got eliminated!!

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I'm really not sure how to parse this game, it feels a lot more one-dimensional over the last few pages than it really should with the events of the game so far.

What events are you referring to?

To me it still feels that we're getting off the ground.

It's more the order of events that are striking me as very odd. There's been a lot of talk about reading people in the game so far (at least relative to its length), but the moment I come in and say that I think most of the scum are in the less active players, the game just... follows along?

Even if there was a general consensus regarding this already, the fact that multiple people are getting the same sense about the game at that point as me and yet still following along that track is... disturbing.

Something about that doesn't ring genuine to me at all.

-A

i think that activity is a particularly shit indicator of alignment, unless over the course of weeks - and even then, it's reasonably justifiable by real life. ive had a quite shit past 48 hours work-wise, so that's partly why i haven't written much. my work schedule is completely independent of alignment, and i would imagine so is everyone else's so i think this is a particularly weak pseudo-group-push sorta thing

if anything rings ingenuine to me, that's this post here

don't think it's an activity tell so much as a comment about the fluidity of the tone here. it feels like a lot of the players being active and making solvey noises appear as like, some level of sincere. (i'd count myself as the exception to this tbh if i had to i guess?)

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mindhack is a slot that feels really funny and i think theres a higher than random chance it flips red

can u expand on this a lil pls

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reeks

the scum word,,,,,

why do they reek? what parts of alyssa's posting do you think are overtly passive outside of, like - have you read alyssa posts before

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king ss you were radiant in 8 ball! and i got eliminated!!

You got eliminated because nobody listened to me telling them not to kill you :X

i think you did a fantastic job, and if house in particular wasn't totally stuck on me we likely would have won more cleanly.

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what did you expect me to say

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do you feel confident about your read on me

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for all the mobile users out there <3

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it is a bit like that i think. i wouldn't really expect either of us to feel good about our reads on each other esp. given how stale the gamestate has been so far

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reeks

the scum word,,,,,

why do they reek? what parts of alyssa's posting do you think are overtly passive outside of, like - have you read alyssa posts before

the passiveness isnt what ticks me the most, it's the really disimulated vibes coming off of 367. that post doesn't truly have a purpose other than setting up a push on _someone_, but it's nobody in particular. even though it sounds like it's game advancing it does nil to get anything going (which is what she's complaining about in the first place). the post is way too vague to be of any sort of relevance to any slot in particular whatsoever other than her own, so it really just screams scum posting statements of pseudofact to try and get a shred of towncred in a game thats basically stalled

make sense?

i have no idea why scum would do that to try and get townread is all

for all the mobile users out there <3

are you on a mac right now?

... and here i thought we were friends.

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it's like a post i have exactly zero feelings but ig i was wondering why you were so piqued by it.

i'm using linux

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that device is using Ubuntu 18.04

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i like macs

excuse me who are you to say that

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what’s next? are you gonna tell me your text editor of choice is vi?? completely unacceptable

this post brought to you by emacs gang

lol. <3
make-up is cool.

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Oh hi sorry

hey dwlee! how's your week going friend

VOTE: Something_Smart

hey if its not too much trouble and you wouldn't mind, would you please

Idk what I'm doing rn

I think something bothered me before with SS

No I don't remember

nooo

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{Tw}
{Darby}
{Mindhack}
{Skitter, dwlee, ss}
{Cycle}
{Iv > osuka} (not 2/2)

so that the scumteam of darby/mindhack can laugh at me

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My week is alright, kinda busy, but alright. Just finishing up the semester etc. etc.

How is yours going?

good luck with the end of the semester!

my week's been about the same. bit more stressed than I'd like rn, but next week should be fantastic.

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dwlee should honestly be with mindhack I was going for shock value

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my only real concern with mindhack is that Alyssa's questions may be needling intratown conflict if like, both of {iv,osuka} are town and we suck. but that's so abstract and like, ifttt-ish that I'm kinda fine just sleepin on it for now

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I'm tonereading you as town SS. please roast me about this postgame.

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I don't think I can toneread you with particularly high accuracy. Also not sure ive ever really tried to. I'm excited to see where this adventure takes me.


this game is uh, lurching

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welcome a50!!

Worsty why haven’t you been pushing me at all?

don't tempt me >_>

both of {iv,osuka} are town and we suck.

it sounds like your read on us is strong enough that you felt compelled to say this

ya

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my only real concern with mindhack is that Alyssa's questions may be needling intratown conflict if like, both of {iv,osuka} are town and we suck. but that's so abstract and like, ifttt-ish that I'm kinda fine just sleepin on it for now

Possibly, but that type of questioning can easily do the same regardless except with a lot more raw scum motivation behind it.

-A

finger gun

wanna do iv?

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sweet. i want the third vote.

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VOTE: IV

this is why you're my fav tiger <3

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I'm not voting because of 488

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iv/mhd wagons is goals

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i am, pinkie promise

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how should i be sorting you differently?

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i've NEVER seen a50 be chill as either alignment, what is happening right now

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A50 is cool as a cucumber all the time dude

Spoiler: sigh sorry to do this

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not particularly happy about it

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permission granted o/

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I think it’s p easy for worst to sort me through interactions and I think it’s more likely he is taking my play this game as an excuse to push me rather than trying to get me to produce real content

The fact that he’s voting me without any sort of attempt at engagement feels different from how he’s engaged and read me in the past

idk it sounded better in my head on a second order level as I’m writing this this feels like a weird angle for scum worst to take

this is p superficial - what would i engage with you about?

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probably when i get onto the bus, idk

woah hey don't bus me

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nonclaim isn't going to change the gamestate, delaying claim until end of day is pro-scramble pro-survivalism anti-solving
pro anti anti pro pro pro anti!!!!

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unsure if it's necessarily deliberate to that level (because IV is IV, no offense ilu IV) but it's more aligned with a deceptive mindset than a solving mindset imo

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oh i townslipped lmfao

heck yeah time to coast into an easy win

VOTE: IV

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I think it’s p easy for worst to sort me through interactions and I think it’s more likely he is taking my play this game as an excuse to push me rather than trying to get me to produce real content

The fact that he’s voting me without any sort of attempt at engagement feels different from how he’s engaged and read me in the past

idk it sounded better in my head on a second order level as I’m writing this this feels like a weird angle for scum worst to take

this is p superficial - what would i engage with you about?

idk exactly? pushing me for content/reads/etc? the impression i have of playing with the 3 times I've played with town!you is that you usually try to interact with me a decent amount and from there you evaluate me. that's not what you did here at all so it set me off like your approach was more to just quietly miselim me and hope that i continued low content/effort. the wagon on me felt very quiet and detached and yet you felt so confidently about it. again im not sure what to make of it rn. what seems superficial to you?

I think you're expecting me to carry some onus of extreme good faith which overshadows the fact you're doin literally a huge load of 0

I'd love to engage with you about stuff. I have nothing to start with.

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wait I still don’t get how worsty town slipped?

Joke was slightly higher but the crux is there

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I don't think SS is scum

-A

dittooo

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Prove it I bet you can't

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what if we're all dittos...

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NOT DATISI TOO

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ditosi.. ditto's evolved form..... I should have known

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duck, talk to me

what are you thinking

dittos, dittos everywhere

hbu

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duck, talk to me

what are you thinking

dittos, dittos everywhere

hbu

can a ditto mirror a ditto?

sure

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i would probably hero vig skitter this game but I feel absolutely terrible for it

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Really? I'm the opposite, I start spreading rumours based on vague speculative comments and jokes that I should know are false.

Did y'all here that IV cured COVID?

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who should we yeet if we let IV live

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nonclaim isn't going to change the gamestate, delaying claim until end of day is pro-scramble pro-survivalism anti-solving
pro anti anti pro pro pro anti!!!!

unsure if it's necessarily deliberate to that level (because IV is IV, no offense ilu IV) but it's more aligned with a deceptive mindset than a solving mindset imo

oh i townslipped lmfao

heck yeah time to coast into an easy win

VOTE: IV

it was not a very serious comment but it was about the perspectiev in 613

i think i'm wary enough to be able to fake this perspective though

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ohhh what am I doing
VOTE: skitter

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I'm not really townreading skitter at this point in time, but I still think it's a very bad idea to d1 her regardless

-A

I probably agree, and yet

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I think she's actually reasonably likely to be scum but her town game is so good I'll weep if I'm wrong. she also gets significantly better and more readable as the game goes on. she's also steadily propelling the gamestate and I'm a touch nervous about this game stagnating. :{

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aahhh i'm not sure i just feel it in my stomach

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I think she's actually reasonably likely to be scum but her town game is so good I'll weep if I'm wrong. she also gets significantly better and more readable as the game goes on. she's also steadily propelling the gamestate and I'm a touch nervous about this game stagnating. :{

- i'm more readable as the game goes on -> why are you voting me now?
- i'm steadily propelling the gamestate and you're worried about the game stagnating -> why are you voting me now?
- least to say that none of these are reasons to scumread me ...

feeling it / undecided.

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Why is TW awful? This and SS read I'm not getting at all which makes me think you're scum here

He's voting me for what amts to gut while admitting i'm not a good day1 flip for several reasons, while his read is basically 'a bad feeling in his stomach' while we've had nearly identical reads throughout the phase

What part of that doesnt look bad to u exactly

Pedit i'm not sure i see dwlee being the partner tbh

VOTE: duckie

this post makes me think you can elim me but doesn't make me think you have a read on me, lol

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still town

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honestly I don't see how anyone could sincerely think my play here is motivated by appearances. :p

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was about to do that

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yeah

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I'm still incredibly town and your reasons for pushing me still don't make sense.

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I'm gonna be n1'd I can taste it.

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I am being a little goofy <3

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I think it would be uncharacteristic for scum!ss to default to displaying vulnerability yeah, that was the first thing that struck me as towny about him in this game

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Gg scum, well played.

*hugs Duckie another day another shitty read*

( ︶︿︶)╭∩╮
just kidding <3 we'll read each other right one day. or rand masons but still suspect each other.

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ahhh and thank you so much for modding datisi!