Mini Normal 2248 | A Member Of The Arsonists | Town wins

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Not Mafia
I see no reason not to kill the for here

[MegAzumarill]

Cow*

[MegAzumarill]

I think Std / Pan are t/t most likely.
I don't think Scum!Pan is this aggressive and for the most parts their actions are townie.
I think Std pushing them was grounded in actual reads based on Pan's behavior that have yet to be discredited, though I disagree with their conclusion.

Let's eliminate outside of that duo today

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Meg

Explain your scumread on me if you care to

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Meg

Explain your scumread on me if you care to

I was Scum reading Klick. I think Koba is either right about Klick or bussing.

Plus you would rather vote for NM and ask why I am voting you rather than doing anything productive.

Why do you not support a N_M lim here?

And mostly I'm waiting on Std/Pan to get back, since their odds at each other felt more impactful to the game during my readthrough

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Meg

Explain your scumread on me if you care to

I was Scum reading Klick. I think Koba is either right about Klick or bussing.

Plus you would rather vote for NM and ask why I am voting you rather than doing anything productive.

Why do you not support a N_M lim here?

Tell me why you think I support NM.

And mostly I'm waiting on Std/Pan to get back, since their odds at each other felt more impactful to the game during my readthrough

Sure, but you could have commented on a great many things. Instead, you do nothing. Why?

I chose Std/Pan as a starting point. I could discuss more from there.
What happened before my replacement I will try to keep in mind, but I really don't care to discuss most of it in great detail because it is inherently disconnected from me.
I suppose I could give an info dump of my first impressions but those are subject to change and I don't think its needed

[MegAzumarill]

3 scum role madness
2 scum almost mountainous
Maybe a balanced setup with 2 goon 1 traitor

[MegAzumarill]

I suppose I could give an info dump of my first impressions but those are subject to change and I don't think its needed

i think this might be helpful

Pan, std, egix Town
N_M, DArby Scum
LQ ???
Rest Null

[MegAzumarill]

Keep in mind Mega never gives an answer as to why they think I'm supporting NM. Reason being is because they know its a strawman.

It's because you answered my implied question of "Are you opposed to a N_M lim?" with an implied no.

[MegAzumarill]

occams razor says quick town

in the case they are scum it is TMI.

Referring to?

[MegAzumarill]

Keep in mind Mega never gives an answer as to why they think I'm supporting NM. Reason being is because they know its a strawman.

It's because you answered my implied question of "Are you opposed to a N_M lim?" with an implied no.

Not really. I just asked you to explain.

Could you explain why you thought I said you are in support of N_M?
That wasn't really what that question was about.

[MegAzumarill]

I think we just Elim StD here and if they flip Town then we flip Pan next.

VOTE: StD

Do you seriously think scum goes all out offensive on a townie on day one?

[MegAzumarill]

And I think based on GrandpaMo also bitching about my aimless questioning in the game I referenced, GMo and LQ are actually comparable players for me

u are intentioanlly ignoring my next post where i say its NAI for gpamo lmfao

Don’t buy it
I found scum!GMo in that game in part because he kept badgering me to engage with his questions @ me.

then you got lucky idk what to say lmao, its not a good metric to find scum.

I said in part
The issue really arose when he started overlooking my answers and trying to push me in spite of that

and there u have it- the actual reason u caught them lmfao

congrats just dismantled ur argument for Quick scum

now where we going?

I'm like 90% confidence on quick town btw - so yeah

Why do you think quick is town?

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: StD
I actually like that LQ had the guts to vote Pan

Explain?

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: LQ

Ilike this lim the most of us present.
We don't need an encore of this debate but I still find myself on this side of it.

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: LQ

Ilike this lim the most of us present.
We don't need an encore of this debate but I still find myself on this side of it.

You're either blind or Scum. Please pick the lesser of two evils.

Who ever said I could see?
We still have the option to eliminate outside of us that have been discussing.
But I find you the scummiest of the 3 that are.

[MegAzumarill]

which person do you think is trying to actually solve the game and which do you think is pushing an agenda?

LQ does not seem to be solving imo. They appeal to probability as their main source of why we should risk going to ELO between a D1 arguement of 2 players.

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: LQ

Ilike this lim the most of us present.
We don't need an encore of this debate but I still find myself on this side of it.

You're either blind or Scum. Please pick the lesser of two evils.

Who ever said I could see?
We still have the option to eliminate outside of us that have been discussing.
But I find you the scummiest of the 3 that are.

Any reason for thinking I am Scum? Why do I feel like StD is Scum's one and only PR and you are Scum trying to push an Elim on me to get the heat off StD?

You want to use both of our potential mislims based on a social pattern of 2 players in isolation. I don't think thats a particularly Townie mindset.

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: LQ

Ilike this lim the most of us present.
We don't need an encore of this debate but I still find myself on this side of it.

You're either blind or Scum. Please pick the lesser of two evils.

Who ever said I could see?
We still have the option to eliminate outside of us that have been discussing.
But I find you the scummiest of the 3 that are.

Any reason for thinking I am Scum? Why do I feel like StD is Scum's one and only PR and you are Scum trying to push an Elim on me to get the heat off StD?

You want to use both of our potential mislims based on a social pattern of 2 players in isolation. I don't think thats a particularly Townie mindset.

I'm pushing what I think is right. I don't necessarily expect people to just follow me on it. Hell, pretty much no one actually sheeps me anyways. I'm just hoping I can make it to end game where I can mess Scum's stuff up. How do you know with 2 Elimms that puts us at Elo?

2 Elims is Elo if 3 scum.

Note the word potential means that I am talking im hypotheticals.

Best to prepare for worst case scenarios though

[MegAzumarill]

What is STD at right now?

[MegAzumarill]

You can say Klicks logic is bad. But bad logic =/= scum.

That's not what matters at this point, what would be meaningful at this point would be to find why what they said correlates to a scum agenda.

Sane goes for most replacements

[MegAzumarill]

You can say Klicks logic is bad. But bad logic =/= scum.

That's not what matters at this point, what would be meaningful at this point would be to find why what they said correlates to a scum agenda.

Sane goes for most replacements

You're right. Bad logic =/= Scum.

But does good logic = Town?

Or how about you give me a reason to TR Klick based on bad logic?

I'm not asking you to TR me based off of Klick's actions
I'm asking not to bring irrelevant info into your case because unless you can provide anything that is inherently scummy about klick's play, it isn't actual evidence and it's a waste of time to bring it up.

[MegAzumarill]

My point is we can only speculate on the previous player in this slot's reasonings unless explicitly stated.
I'm fine with logic used as a metric if you can actually still get answers to your problems with the logic or can convince them their logic is flawed.

[MegAzumarill]

Basically noone left in the game can speak for the logic of a subbed player so why bring it up unless it is inherently scummy.

[MegAzumarill]

What associatives do you hope to get out of me if I flip town?
I've mainly interact with 3 people this game.

If you want to do an elim that gives no info N_M is better because we wouldn't lose as much.

[MegAzumarill]

For good elims for associatives StD or LQ could be better

[MegAzumarill]

I have since realized original townread on Std was bad because it was basically "I don't think their behavior in their interactions with koba were scummy despite koba saying they were." Which while still the case doesn't necessarily make them town.

Meanwhile my case against you wasn't really about whether Std/Pan was S/T or not. I didn't think your process to get there was townie. These concerns have been addressed now that you have disclosed more of your thought processes behind you reaching that conclusion, and while I still feel wary of your slot, the most I can chalk it up to is paranoia for reasoning.
VOTE: Std

[MegAzumarill]

Alright feel free to hammer whenever. I'm VT.

I would prefer not to die as opposed to a random lim but I don't have a lot of great suggestions. It would mainly be a shot in the dark that potentially could hit a powerrole as opposed to scum, so I suppose it could end worse.

I do want to say that I suspect Pan/LQ as S/S but its probably mostly paranoia. (Reason being is LQ wanting to push StD out, then bus his partner to get towncred. Their interactions seem somewhat coordinated and overall the dynamic there is weird.)

I don't really have more to say, I didn't get to interact with half of the player list.


I will self hammer if DL gets too short, but I suspect someone will hammer me beforehand.

[MegAzumarill]

this feels real fking weird after the neighborhood where you fought your lim without end?

Situations are very different between the two games.

[MegAzumarill]

Hi I'm here

Good game everyone