Mini 2251: Triplicate! GAME OVER!

[Amy Dunne]

Similar to last setup but no lovers this time.

[Amy Dunne]

I will be watching you Taly. I won’t let you pocket me again.

[Amy Dunne]

Prove it
Bold names.

Bolding names? Hoe primitive.

I will be watching you Taly. I won’t let you pocket me again.

You must actually be of use to me for that to happen.

Well if it happens, hopefully I’ll be able to tell.

[Amy Dunne]

How does voting work? Do we vote separately for each game?

For all three games, you vote with the simple format of VOTE: Bingle.

For any game in which that is an invalid vote, your vote will remain where it currently is. For any game in which that is not a valid vote (because it is night, because Bingle is dead, because you are dead, because Bingle is an alt of the moderator and thus not in the game, etc.) that vote will not count at all. If you would like to unvote, you must either VOTE: Unvote or UNVOTE: . This will unvote in all three games.

It is possible to have a vote on two different people in different games, for example if Bingle was dead in the Normal but alive in the Mini Theme and you were currently voting for Jingle, VOTE: Bingle would only move your vote off of Jingle in the Mini Theme. Additionally, votes are counted sequentially within a post, so if a post had

VOTE: Jingle
VOTE: Bingle
VOTE: Micc

And Bingle was at E-1 in a game, you would hammer Bingle in that game and end up voting Micc in any others.

I can guarantee that these are the only special voting rules in both the Normal and Open games, but cannot guarantee that there are not roles that interact with voting for specifically the Mini Theme. If you have questions about a role you may or may not have and how it interacts with voting in that game I am happy to answer via PM.

If you would like a demonstration of how the voting works in practice this game used the same voting rules.

This confused the hell out of me last time and it still does.

Last time, first vote was different from all of the others, so I still don’t understand this?

[Amy Dunne]

Hello

Another slot I will be watching out for.

[Amy Dunne]

I still understand nothing. Expect no change in that regard.

you vote someone
if they get limped then they get limmed in all 3 games

So it’s the same as last time, I’m assuming.

[Amy Dunne]

ATTENTION: PLEASE READ CAREFULLY

NOT SURE IF THIS THE OPTIMAL PLAY, BUT I SOLVED GAME 3

SCUM ARE HOUSE/DUNN/RR/RCE (I promise NOT ONE is wrong). I'll even go as far as telling you that RCE is Ben, RR is Alisson, Dunn is in Reginald/Luther/Diego and House is Reginald/Luther/Diego

Note: One of Reginald/Luther/Diego is -obviously- a Mason, and I know "the player" and suspect it's Diego, but regardless.. we need not specify which player holds which anonymous alt. All wee need to do is VOTE OUT SCUM

Pros of my move:

We now have a pool of 4 to eliminate on D1. Since the D1 lim seems to have to be on the same player on all 3 games; we need to make sure they're scum in at least one game

Cons of my move:

Well, I'll be dead in Game 3. Not actually a "con" per se because (a) it gives me more time to concentrate on the other 2 games and (b) EVEN if all 4 Masons are dead the remaining 5 Townies can still win it for us.

Which brings me back to the PROS actually. If we lim outside this pool we are risking Scum potentially winning the game via killing the Masons and thus achieving parity.

These are the same names Jingle used in his secret alt game.

[Amy Dunne]

@A50, why are you so certain that scum are in Dunn, RR and RCE? How can you determine three scum without any flips?

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: House

Hero vote right hyur.

VOTE: Amy Dunne

Not vibing ya, Ames.

No reaction to A50’s post?

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: House

Hero vote right hyur.

VOTE: Amy Dunne

Not vibing ya, Ames.

No reaction to A50’s post?

It's A50, not the first time I've seen him pull a hero solve out of his ass on d1.

Yes which includes you but this is all you have to say about it?

[Amy Dunne]

These are the same names Jingle used in his secret alt game.

Thank you

Did you notice that I claimed MASON? This means I am a member of the Scum/Masons thread and I know the 8 members of the Hargreaves family (as I'm one of them).

RCE & RR both made a severe mistake by posting in said thread and the main thread almost simultaneously. RR even did it twice. If you wish to remain anonymous you need to post in the main thread at a certain time and in the anon thread on a totally different time, or -at the very least- make sure the main thread is active enough when you use the anon thread so you can't be singled out as the one and only player active at the time. (Sorry if you think it's a dirty trick, but all is fair in War and Mafia)

I won't say how I found out about House & Dunn yet, but I am still confident there too.

P-edit: THANK YOU Ircher for actually reacting to my revelation.

P-edit 2: Beetlejuice much? @House

Interesting, iirc, bugspray did something similar in the secret alt game I was in.

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: House

Hero vote right hyur.

VOTE: Amy Dunne

Not vibing ya, Ames.

No reaction to A50’s post?

It's A50, not the first time I've seen him pull a hero solve out of his ass on d1.

Yes which includes you but this is all you have to say about it?

Obviously.

VOTE: House

I don’t like this response.

[Amy Dunne]

I still understand nothing. Expect no change in that regard.

you vote someone
if they get limped then they get limmed in all 3 games

I still understand nothing. Expect no change in that regard.

you vote someone
if they get limped then they get limmed in all 3 games

Only for the first lim. After that, shenanigans ensue.

Yeah this. So like is the objective just that town wins the mini theme and not the other two games?

Also timers are offset so I'm sure there is a way to cheese votes by getting a game into night phase(not masons and Mafia) and then manipulating the day phase in the remaining game to avoid a double elim in 2 games. But I don't know how.

Response to A50’s post? I also want to hear from RR.

[Amy Dunne]

I still understand nothing. Expect no change in that regard.

you vote someone
if they get limped then they get limmed in all 3 games

I still understand nothing. Expect no change in that regard.

you vote someone
if they get limped then they get limmed in all 3 games

Only for the first lim. After that, shenanigans ensue.

Yeah this. So like is the objective just that town wins the mini theme and not the other two games?

Also timers are offset so I'm sure there is a way to cheese votes by getting a game into night phase(not masons and Mafia) and then manipulating the day phase in the remaining game to avoid a double elim in 2 games. But I don't know how.

Response to A50’s post? I also want to hear from RR.

He already responded to it.

You're just trying to look like you're solving. How many games are you red?

I AM solving and none obviously. Which rn looks like a helluva lot more than I can say for you.

[Amy Dunne]

Almost50 will sort himself just by outing himself as mason.

I like Ircher so far.

[Amy Dunne]

ATTENTION: PLEASE READ CAREFULLY

NOT SURE IF THIS THE OPTIMAL PLAY, BUT I SOLVED GAME 3

SCUM ARE HOUSE/DUNN/RR/RCE (I promise NOT ONE is wrong). I'll even go as far as telling you that RCE is Ben, RR is Alisson, Dunn is in Reginald/Luther/Diego and House is Reginald/Luther/Diego

Note: One of Reginald/Luther/Diego is -obviously- a Mason, and I know "the player" and suspect it's Diego, but regardless.. we need not specify which player holds which anonymous alt. All wee need to do is VOTE OUT SCUM

Pros of my move:

We now have a pool of 4 to eliminate on D1. Since the D1 lim seems to have to be on the same player on all 3 games; we need to make sure they're scum in at least one game

Cons of my move:

Well, I'll be dead in Game 3. Not actually a "con" per se because (a) it gives me more time to concentrate on the other 2 games and (b) EVEN if all 4 Masons are dead the remaining 5 Townies can still win it for us.

Which brings me back to the PROS actually. If we lim outside this pool we are risking Scum potentially winning the game via killing the Masons and thus achieving parity.

....I have to dive into this but I think you're scum telling before gamestart.

I missed this, why is A50 scum?

[Amy Dunne]

I INVITE EVERYONE TO CHECK THE LUTHER HARGREAVES Account. Go to members (at the top right corner of your screen) then pick L then order by post count (just to make it easier for you to find the account) and it currently has 252 posts.

I mean. I could have saved you all the trouble and simply linked it here, except I am not sure if that is allowed and I don't want to get in trouble over a mere technicality

It would probably be easier if you link it.

[Amy Dunne]

On one hand it's so rolephishy (I guess alt in this case) because any of the slots in that Poe could slip trying to defend themselves and outing themselves as VT.

As I said:

RCE is Ben Hargreeves
House is Luther Hargreeves
Radical Rat is Allison Hargreeves
And that leaves us with Dunn as either Reginald Hargreeves or Diego Hargreaves

Now EVERYBODY can check said accounts and compare the times. Since you're doing it from your own account you won't even need to change settings or do time calculations. EASY.

Also, I stay on private to avoid that very asshattery, A50, so you're talking out your ass.

You can do that on your own account and alts, but how were you going to change the settings of an alt that has been given to you without you first LOGGING TO IT. Like, EVEN if you change the settings now, I already checked all 7 accounts (other than mine), so a change in settings is still very telling.

I wouldn't know. This is the only account I've logged into aside from my hydra account since I've been back.

Second thought I don't buy it VOTE: A50

On one hand it's so rolephishy (I guess alt in this case) because any of the slots in that Poe could slip trying to defend themselves and outing themselves as VT.

On top of that if A50 isn't scum then he's outing as mason and eats a day kill whether scum is in that Poe or not.

Disagree. He strikes me as tryhard town.

Fair to assume but I'm familiar with A50 Gambit play (which I assume this to be) and more so from his mafiastyle than his town go-to.

I'm thinking he's VT fishing for a day kill attempt.

This is an odd reaction if A50 is wrong on this. 91 I mean obviously.

[Amy Dunne]

Spoiler: Important Links

Rules - Current Vote Count - Masons and Mafia PT - Mod Thread - Mafia Thread (Normal)

Last link says not authorized

I can only access the first two.

[Amy Dunne]

Fair to assume but I'm familiar with A50 Gambit play (which I assume this to be)

1- You're SCUM (in Setup 3)
2- You're BAD at reading me in general (just refer yourself to the most recent 2-3 games)
3- YOU ARE CAUFGHT SCUM IN SETUP 3
4- If I was gambit'ing I would have done it in NOT THE OPEN SETUP
5- Did I mention you're just outed scum??

Should I be switching to RCE then?

[Amy Dunne]

Fair to assume but I'm familiar with A50 Gambit play (which I assume this to be)

1- You're SCUM (in Setup 3)
2- You're BAD at reading me in general (just refer yourself to the most recent 2-3 games)
3- YOU ARE CAUFGHT SCUM IN SETUP 3
4- If I was gambit'ing I would have done it in NOT THE OPEN SETUP
5- Did I mention you're just outed scum??

Should I be switching to RCE then?

Nah. My OMGUS vote looks better with you voting me.

I’m asking A50 not you.

[Amy Dunne]

The scoundrels can shoot in broad daylight?

Nevermind, I did my due diligence and read the Open Setup.

Mechanics
Nightless
Every Mafia player has the ability to send in a private daykill to the mod. If the kill hits a Mason it will succeed, if it hits a Townie, the kill will backfire and the Mafia player will die.
Every Mason and Mafia player is given access to a Secret Alt which they may use to post in the single private thread for the game. They are not required to do so. Only masons and mafia may view this thread, and they may continue to post in it after they die if they so choose.
If both other games are finished, this game will have a deadline of 7 Days. At deadline, the player with most votes will be eliminated. If there is a tie, only the player who was most recently at a higher number of votes than the other tied players will die.

[Amy Dunne]

I am still uncertain of the voting.

Perhaps I'll sleep on it.

Night calls to me. Goodnight loves.

The first vote goes to RCEnigma in all 3 games

The second vote is for a player who is dead in game C, so the vote in game C stays on RCEnigma (invalid vote for that game) while moving in games A and B

So RCEnigma gets locked in for elimination in game C, and then we figure out games A and B, and then all 3 people flip and we head to night.

VOTE: RCE
VOTE: House

[Amy Dunne]

@A50

You're wrong about at least me, and while I obviously can't speak for the others, I have no idea where you got Dunn, considering he hasn't logged into the account yet, so... Yeah, I'm inclined to think this is just one of your wacky gambits.
On the bright side, I can't tunnel you over it this time since you already flipped!

I can tunnel you in the other 2 games still.

VOTE: RR

VOTE: RCE
VOTE: RR

[Amy Dunne]

My understanding is that once a hammer is achieved, votes for that game will lock, and then the night phase will only start once all 3 have locked

Nope. I will resolve Day/Night transitions individually per game.

It may not have been easily noticeable, but there are actually different deadlines for the Normal and the Theme.

@Jingle did I do this right?

[Amy Dunne]

@Jingle did I do this right?

What are you trying to do?

The voting, I messed that up a few times last game, so I want to be sure I did it right.

[Amy Dunne]

Also, this just hit me: WHY would scum shoot me if House was Town there? Why not wait for the "mislim" to go through and THEN shoot the outed Mason?

I can switch back to RCE/House. I really don’t care which.

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: RCE
VOTE: House

[Amy Dunne]

I still don't completely understand.

How do I vote if I just want RCEnigma limmed in Game 3?

Vote RCEnigma then vote Rat in the same post.

Jingle, why do you have to make this so confusing?

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: RCE
VOTE: House

Like does this matter or do I need to vote RR to lim RCE?

[Amy Dunne]

Wait, that won't work since Mega has not died?

I think you need to vote RCE first with someone who’s dead in game C, which are A50, RR, House and obviously not A50 since he’s mason. I just don’t know if it matters at all, which name comes second.

[Amy Dunne]

BANG! BANG!

Almost 50 has DIED in the Open Game.

He was: A Cheeky Monkey.

Also

Spoiler:

A Mason

BANG! BANG!

Radical Rat has DIED in the Open Game.

He was: A Radical Rat.

Also

Spoiler:

A Mafioso

BANG! BANG!

House has DIED in the Open Game.

He was: Not Wake88.

Also

Spoiler:

A Mafioso

These are all of the dead slots in game C.

[Amy Dunne]

Actually, mastina is smart enough (and it explains why RR said he shot her in public). There's also the fact she didn't vote House when everybody was going for him. In fact I would rather her over Dunn now, but -as I said- I should be sound asleep already, so see you in a few hours (my definition of few is between 8 and 20)

I don’t know if this is helpful or not. In the last triple setup, I was scum with RR in game A and he never mentioned me but that was a lovers’ game, so probably not very useful.

[Amy Dunne]

Unfortunate, but well, someone had to be first.

I am Mafia in A, Town in B and C.
My approach to this game was to just play as Town for B and C and collateral damage should have wound up killing a lot of the A Town, so except when claiming triple Town, I meant everything I said.

Queen looks very bad to me, Meg is iffy, Dunnstral's play has been weird, but townslip did look genuine to me, so idk there.

Reads are hard in this game with three of them happening, as well as how low content it's been, so I'm sorry I can't offer more.

[Amy Dunne]

Actually, mastina is smart enough (and it explains why RR said he shot her in public). There's also the fact she didn't vote House when everybody was going for him. In fact I would rather her over Dunn now, but -as I said- I should be sound asleep already, so see you in a few hours (my definition of few is between 8 and 20)

I don’t know if this is helpful or not. In the last triple setup, I was scum with RR in game A and he never mentioned me but that was a lovers’ game, so probably not very useful.

Actually, I just remembered this from our scum PT, so probably disregard.

Subject: ELSM Mafia A

I think I made a pretty large mistake by omitting you from my final living post, but it doesn't seem like anyone's picked up on that yet, so... Hopefully it stays that way.

[Amy Dunne]

I’d seriously like to know why House? The fact the he tops Mastina’s list and he is higher than me, makes me wonder if how much stock I should put into any of Mastina’s reads unless I’m mindmelding with them myself.

[Amy Dunne]

I’d seriously like to know why House? The fact the he tops Mastina’s list and he is higher than me, makes me wonder if how much stock I should put into any of Mastina’s reads unless I’m mindmelding with them myself.

That first post is so off key and slimy to me. Idk what mastina sees.

+1

I still don’t understand her Ircher read but I am notoriously bad at reading him.

Idk with Meg, possibly? I can say that based off of the previous setup, which everyone who wasn’t in it, absolutely should read and shouldn’t put too much stock in statistical mech solves until they do.

I am not just taking anyone’s word for anything unless I vibe with that myself but so far, I like A50 and Cheeky the best. Chloe could be town but she totally fooled me last time and we lost game 2 because I was so pocketed.

[Amy Dunne]

Oh wait this is a serious wagon.
UNVOTE:

Meg confirmed scum with RCE.

They must be aligned outside of Game 3 if we respect Almost50's judgment.

What a thought.

According to A50's judgement we are aligned in Game C too!

Lovely

“too”?

VOTE: RCEnigma

Simply Perish

VOTE: RCE

VOTE: RCE

Why is this a wagon?

This makes me think RCE and Meg are either buddies and/or possibly she was tming him town in game 3.

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: Meg
VOTE: RR

[Amy Dunne]

I’m not opposed to Dunn except A50 said he could also be mason right? So if he changes his mind on that I’ll consider it. Mastina sounds townie but RR could still be wifomming like A50 said and that #1 House tr gives me the heebie jeebies.

[Amy Dunne]

Are you scum house?

Well...he

was

!

Now he's not tho!

I’d seriously like to know why House?

Because House's play was transparently and obviously the play of someone who was town in 2/3 games and scum in the third. Like, basically every post House made, made it obvious: he's town in 2/3 of the games and scum in the third. Everything he did, everything he said, it was just that vibe and very very obviously so, and quite strongly so.

I know I'm not the greatest at reading House, but like...this seemed incredibly apparent to me, that House couldn't be ALL town but also was still coming MAINLY from a town point of view. It definitely looked like he was scum in the third game...because he was! But in the other two games, his stances, pushes, opinions, views, etc., all look pretty damn strongly like they come from town.

So with him having flipped scum in one game, he's town in both the others.

House/Amy probably not SvS in any game. This is the best way to hunt Imo, through partner PoE. A50, you should be good at this iirc.

Fairly decent chance, yes, but that's because House is town in 2/3 games and while Amy's less likely scum in the third game is probably scum in one of game 1/game 2.

He voted me for no good reason, so he was obviously fine with trying to miselim me, so I have serious doubts on that and since I know you’re wrong on me, not tr House.

[Amy Dunne]

Unless the Hargreaves thing is completely made up I'm pretty sure that has to confirm a50 as mason to the mafia, so why isn't he dead?

Because he can still talk even if they shoot him, being alive in 2 other games

Aren't you one of the four he called out?

Why does that matter?

Dunn and Dwelee don’t look aligned if that should become relevant.

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: House

Burn em!

UNVOTE:

Meg was super onboard with limming House.

[Amy Dunne]

You and Mama Ru should probably hydra sometime.

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: House

Burn em!

UNVOTE:

Meg was super onboard with limming House.

@Chloe, do you think Meg was bussing House?

[Amy Dunne]

Join me Amy.

I’m thinking about it but I also can’t wrap my brain around Mastina’s House #1 tr. Usually town!Mastina has an actually townie slot that high. Like if she had maybe Cheeky or even A50 there but something’s off with House being so high.

Her rationale being he was scum in 3, so he is town in everything else, based on freaking what exactly? What has he even done remotely townie?

Absolutely nothing.

[Amy Dunne]

BANG! BANG!

Almost 50 has DIED in the Open Game.

He was: A Cheeky Monkey.

Also

Spoiler:

A Mason

House and rce were both online

RCE flipped town in game 3, so I don’t understand your point.

Both RR and House were scum in 3.

[Amy Dunne]

RR and House died in game 3, which means they shot a vt. House never claimed his target which is suss and RR claimed to have shot Mastina but we still don’t know who shot A50 but it it couldn’t have been RCE.

[Amy Dunne]

BANG! BANG!

Radical Rat has DIED in the Open Game.

He was: A Radical Rat.

Also

Spoiler:

A Mafioso

Well, it was worth a try. I was only scum in that game, so I figured, eh, might as well go for it and just worry about playing Town in the other 2.

For my buddies though: mastina was who I attempted to shoot, so cross her off your mason lists.

@RR why post this in the main thread?

[Amy Dunne]

Ah, that doesn't seem super convincing though why couldn't it be a different person online?

Because no "other person" was online??

According to A50's judgement we are aligned in Game C too!

Who are "We"??

Me and RCE

I gotta head to sleep hopefully scum shoot themselves to death before I return

Are you drunk?? WHERE did I say that you were Scum in game 3?

Yeah, A50 never once called Meg scum in game three.

VOTE: Meg
VOTE: RR

[Amy Dunne]

BANG! BANG!

MegAzumarill has DIED in the Open Game.

They were: Quite a Bit Scarier than a Regular Azumarill.

Also

Spoiler:

A Mafioso

\o/ one more left and we win game 3. Woot!

[Amy Dunne]

Yeah I was feigning ignorance.
I won't out my shot because I don't want him to be conftown obviously.

Last scum I believe in you!

But the only shot unaccounted for is A50 and we know he’s mason. Well House didn’t claim but obviously a vt. So unless I missed something that must be who you shot him. Otherwise, there would be another shot either on you or another mason.

[Amy Dunne]

BANG! BANG!

Radical Rat has DIED in the Open Game.

He was: A Radical Rat.

Also

Spoiler:

A Mafioso

Well, it was worth a try. I was only scum in that game, so I figured, eh, might as well go for it and just worry about playing Town in the other 2.

For my buddies though: mastina was who I attempted to shoot, so cross her off your mason lists.

@RR why post this in the main thread?

How is that AI?

I asked why he posted this in the main thread, I think that’s a valid question don’t you?

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: Amy

Pedit why and how did you get that order?

What order and why are you voting me?

[Amy Dunne]

I'd be surprised if Dunn/Mastina doesn't end game 3.

I’m wondering if RR would wifom Mastina as his buddy like that but possible. Otoh, she voted Meg but Idk. Which one didn’t vote ant flipped scum? Dunn voted you but did he vote for either House or RR pre-shots?

[Amy Dunne]

1. I did in fact shoot A50
2. House is dead in Game C and is not a VT.

1. is obvious because no one else got shot
2. Jingle already flipped him.

[Amy Dunne]

Amy, who am I pocketing?

I didn’t say you were pocketing anyone did I? I only said I was paranoid about that because of last game.

So who do you think the last scum in game 3 is? Dunn?

[Amy Dunne]

BANG! BANG!

MegAzumarill has DIED in the Open Game.

They were: Quite a Bit Scarier than a Regular Azumarill.

Also

Spoiler:

A Mafioso

mastian absolved in game 3

Should I vote Dunn or someone else?

[Amy Dunne]

Eliminate down the following list: Dunnstral --> mastina --> T3 --> Ircher --> Dwlee99 --> Amy --> Cheeky --> Chloe. Obviously, we skip limming the masons, but we do so in a careful manner so that scum don't abuse this.

I’m obviously never scum with House, duh.

[Amy Dunne]

I asked why he posted this in the main thread, I think that’s a valid question don’t you?

Yeah but you voted him so it's not a question you were really waiting for a response to. You can play coy but I'm watching you with my small eye.

You can think what you want, I’m very obviously town.

[Amy Dunne]

I thought his posting that in the main thread was weird, which is WHY I asked him that question. Once last scum is flipped, it will be obvious what my role is in game 3 but since one scum is still alive, I obviously don’t want to help them by claiming anything.

[Amy Dunne]

I asked why he posted this in the main thread, I think that’s a valid question don’t you?

Yeah but you voted him so it's not a question you were really waiting for a response to. You can play coy but I'm watching you with my small eye.

You can think what you want, I’m very obviously town.

In which game?

I’m town in every game but it should be beyond obvious that I’m town in game 3.

[Amy Dunne]

I thought his posting that in the main thread was weird, which is WHY I asked him that question. Once last scum is flipped, it will be obvious what my role is in game 3 but since one scum is still alive, I obviously don’t want to help them by claiming anything.

Mhmm.

I don’t care if you believe it or not, it will be obvious I’m not lying once last scum is flipped.

[Amy Dunne]

No I think what is meant is that Almost50 can choose the limming order. We should still kill Dunnstral anyway since it's clear he isn't a mason, but Almost50 can choose the next target.

I will do that if the Dunn lim doesn't end that game

VOTE: Dunn
VOTE: RR

[Amy Dunne]

BANG! BANG!

MegAzumarill has DIED in the Open Game.

They were: Quite a Bit Scarier than a Regular Azumarill.

Also

Spoiler:

A Mafioso

mastian absolved in game 3

Should I vote Dunn or someone else?

Isn't Dunn hammered already?

Jingle hasn’t updated it yet if he has.

[Amy Dunne]

Now that I am dead in game C i will claim in the other two
I am a

Bulletproof Multitasking Compulsive Combined Vigilante-Voyuerizer Jailkeeper Jester

In Game B

In game A I am a

Town Simple Roleblocker.

I am 100% serious.

That's a bad move. Why out your role in game 1? And why claim Jester on D1 in game 2? We obviously can't lim you in one of these 2 games without eliminating you in the other!!

I’m not sure I believe any of Meg’s claims.

[Amy Dunne]

Now that I am dead in game C i will claim in the other two
I am a

Bulletproof Multitasking Compulsive Combined Vigilante-Voyuerizer Jailkeeper Jester

In Game B

In game A I am a

Town Simple Roleblocker.

I am 100% serious.

The bp claim is here.

I don't believe it, because *I* am bp in game two/B.

Meg was probably trolling about both but B is freaking obviously a troll. lololol. In what game ever have you ever seen any role like the one she claimed in B? I think only thing she possibly left out is maybe unreliable strongwilled desperate desperado neighbourizer md.

[Amy Dunne]

At this stage I think that {Dunnstral,

Amy Dunne

, Ircher, MegAzumarill} legitimately has a very high chance of containing all the scum in all the games. ~Mastina

Jsyk, if you can tell people to “fuck off” for from ypov for apparently shading you? then I can return the favor for this bs read for absolutely no reason whatsoever. You don’t have any more right to be outraged fmpov than I do.

[Amy Dunne]

*pops in*
VOTE: A50
VOTE: Meg
*pops out*

Why are you voting A50?

[Amy Dunne]

@mod, can we get an updated VC please?

[Amy Dunne]

Mastina I'd love you to explain what made you Sr me in game B

Also if you think there's some truth to my claims why would you try to lim a PR.

I won't confirm or deny any real part of it but I'm glad we can stop focusing on C as much. It's a bit of a bore

I’m sure that has absolutely nothing to do with your hoping to take the focus over your last teammate, right? lol

[Amy Dunne]

@mod, can we get an updated VC please?

Sorry, I passed out early last night and have spent the morning sick.

There has been a hammer on Dunn in the open

Ircher->Chloe->Cheeky->Dwlee->T3

Dunn flips VT.

Votes reset for game three. I’ll edit this into a proper VC format as soon as I am able, but it may be a few hours.

VOTE: Ircher

[Amy Dunne]

@mod, can we get an updated VC please?

Sorry, I passed out early last night and have spent the morning sick.

There has been a hammer on Dunn in the open

Ircher->Chloe->Cheeky->Dwlee->T3

Dunn flips VT.

Votes reset for game three. I’ll edit this into a proper VC format as soon as I am able, but it may be a few hours.

VOTE: Ircher

VOTE: Ircher
VOTE: House

[Amy Dunne]

Why not follow A50's hunch? Ircher could be mason

Where did he say this?

[Amy Dunne]

Jsyk, if you can tell people to “fuck off” for from ypov for apparently shading you? then I can return the favor for this bs read for absolutely no reason whatsoever. You don’t have any more right to be outraged fmpov than I do.

Actually I do--

I don't tell players who've never played with me to fuck off when they scumread me.

After all, they haven't played with me before, they lack the baseline for me.

Telling people to fuck off is reserved for those who

have

played with me--because they

should

fucking know better.

As far as I know, I lack experience with you--and thus, you don't have the same ability to tell me this because I lack the baseline for you.

Mastina I'd love you to explain what made you Sr me in game B

Well basically your play screams scum in 2/3 games through and through and has since the beginning and still does.

And your way of handling game B makes it very strongly look like scum in game #2.

A

Also if you think there's some truth to my claims why would you try to lim a PR.

It's a bit unfortunate, but if the cost of a dead scum D1 in game #2 is the loss of a very weak situational PR in game #1, I'll take the trade. Ideally you don't want to sacrifice one towngame for the sake of another towngame, but on D1, we're probably going to

have

to--unless there's a player scum in both games 1 AND 2 (which is doubtful), we can't eliminate scum in one without eliminating town in another.

It'll obviously be different on D2 onward, but as far as I can tell, there's no way with the vote thresholds identical to eliminate in game one without eliminating in game two and vice versa. So we will ALWAYS lose a town in ONE game in order to kill a scum the other on D1.

Eliminating scum D1 in a mini theme usually beats eliminating scum D1 in a mini Normal to me, so...

VOTE: Ircher
VOTE: MegAzumarill
(tempted to leave the Ircher vote on all three honestly)

My point being that you keep shading me and calling me scum for absolutely no reason and it’s getting really annoying. What have I done that’s even been remotely scummy? Absolutely nothing.

[Amy Dunne]

BANG! BANG!

MegAzumarill has DIED in the Open Game.

They were: Quite a Bit Scarier than a Regular Azumarill.

Also

Spoiler:

A Mafioso

mastian absolved in game 3

Should I vote Dunn or someone else?

Isn't Dunn hammered already?

A50 changed his mind on Mastina. I think if Mastina’s scum it’s probably not in game 3, since I don’t know why she’d bus Meg, when no one was suspecting her but her inexplicable House tr could still mean that they might be possibly be buddies in 1 or 2.

[Amy Dunne]

@Mod: Am I allowed to link the Hargreaves accounts in this thread?

There is absolutely nothing in my rules about the usage of user tags being banned. Nor about linking to other sections of the site, so long as they are not ongoing games. (or other things that site rules say you can't link, I guess, but I don't know of any of those.)

THANKS

So..

RCE is Ben

House is Luther

RR is Allison

Dunn is Reginald or Diego (The other one is a Mason, obviously)

I am Klaus

"Someone" is Five (I know who that is and can confirm they're a Mason)

"Another someone" is Vanya (I also know who that is and can confirm they're a Mason)

So that leaves the last Mason as one of Rig/Diego

I couldn’t find where A50 mentions Ircher anywhere?

[Amy Dunne]

Vote Count Normal.1.01

Dunnstral (E-3):

RCEnigma, Ircher, CheekyTeeky Lady Chloe,

MegAzumarill (E-3):

House, mastina, Dwlee99, T3,

Radical Rat (E-5):

MegAzumarill, Almost50,

House (E-6):

Amy Dunne,

RCEnigma (E-7):

T3 (E-7):

Amy Dunne (E-7):

Almost50 (E-7):

mastina (E-7):

Dwlee99 (E-7):

CheekyTeeky (E-7):

Lady Chloe (E-7):

Ircher (E-7):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (2):

Dunnstral, Everyone Else

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

7

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-14 22:00:00).

Vote Count Mini Theme.1.01

MegAzumarill (E-2):

Demon Lord

, House, mastina, Dwlee99, T3,

Dunnstral (E-3):

RCEnigma, Ircher, CheekyTeeky, Lady Chloe,

Radical Rat (E-5):

MegAzumarill, Almost50,

House (E-6):

Amy Dunne,

RCEnigma (E-7):

T3 (E-7):

Amy Dunne (E-7):

Almost50 (E-7):

mastina (E-7):

Dwlee99 (E-7):

CheekyTeeky (E-7):

Lady Chloe (E-7):

Ircher (E-7):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (2):

Dunnstral, Everyone Else

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

7

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-10 22:00:00).

Vote Count Open.2.00

Ircher(E-0):

Lady Chloe, Amy Dunne, T3, Dwlee99

Amy Dunne (E-4):

mastina (E-4):

Dwlee99(E-4):

CheekyTeeky(E-4):

Lady Chloe(E-4):

T3(E-4):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (2):

Everyone Else

With 7 alive, it takes

4

to murder/death/kill or

4

to choose not to.

Ircher has been hammered.

He was

Spoiler:

A Mason

fuck, maybe it is Mastina then and RR lied about shooting her?

VOTE: Mastina
VOTE: Meg

[Amy Dunne]

*pops in*
VOTE: A50
VOTE: Meg
*pops out*

I would really like to know how this is Mastina’s #1 tr?

[Amy Dunne]

What if mastina flips town?

Who should we vote for then? RR’s publicly claiming to shoot her in the main thread was weird. It could be wifom but he said to me in our scum PT in ELSM A that he should have distanced me - eventhough it was obviously good he didn’t - but who knows?

What I don’t understand is why last scum hasn’t shot Cheeky? She hardclaimed mason.

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: Mastina
VOTE: Meg
Well I was right we shouldn't be killing people that could have been masons over confirmed not masons (like who a50 wants to Lim!!)

Yeah you were. :/

I really hope this is right but I’m not confident in it. It would suck to lose this when we’re this close.

[Amy Dunne]

Pretty sure mastina is scum in game 2 which means it is pretty likely she isn't scum in game 3.

Then should I switch my vote but to whom? That RR post was weird. Why does he post that in the main thread? Was he trying to wifom us into thinking it is Mastina or was he on the level?

[Amy Dunne]

Mastina why do you hate me so?

Would Mastina bus Meg in game 3? I’m really worried that she flips town but then the RR thing.

[Amy Dunne]

Also, why is “demon lord” voting Meg?

Who tf is that? Until I saw the VC I thought you were referencing House.

[Amy Dunne]

Eliminate down the following list: Dunnstral --> mastina --> T3 --> Ircher --> Dwlee99 --> Amy --> Cheeky --> Chloe. Obviously, we skip limming the masons, but we do so in a careful manner so that scum don't abuse this.

Cheeky hardclaimed mason. It’s definitely not me and Dwelee opposing your lim makes me think probably not him? T3 seems townie. If it turns out to be Chloe I will cry.

Like because of the RR thing, it’s hard to think it’s not Mastina but someone on this list is very clearly bamboozling me but have no idea whom.

I don’t see why Cheeky fakeclaims mason here.

[Amy Dunne]

Eliminate down the following list: Dunnstral --> mastina --> T3 --> Ircher --> Dwlee99 --> Amy --> Cheeky --> Chloe. Obviously, we skip limming the masons, but we do so in a careful manner so that scum don't abuse this.

Cheeky hardclaimed mason. It’s definitely not me and Dwelee opposing your lim makes me think probably not him? T3 seems townie. If it turns out to be Chloe I will cry.

Like because of the RR thing, it’s hard to think it’s not Mastina but someone on this list is very clearly bamboozling me but have no idea whom.

I don’t see why Cheeky fakeclaims mason here.

as scum I mean, if she is fakeclaiming then she’s probably just vt. I just don’t think she’d do that as scum, so Cheeky is either telling the truth her about being mason or she’s vt trying to bait scum.

[Amy Dunne]

Eliminate down the following list: Dunnstral --> mastina --> T3 --> Ircher --> Dwlee99 --> Amy --> Cheeky --> Chloe. Obviously, we skip limming the masons, but we do so in a careful manner so that scum don't abuse this.

Cheeky hardclaimed mason. It’s definitely not me and Dwelee opposing your lim makes me think probably not him? T3 seems townie. If it turns out to be Chloe I will cry.

Like because of the RR thing, it’s hard to think it’s not Mastina but someone on this list is very clearly bamboozling me but have no idea whom.

I don’t see why Cheeky fakeclaims mason here.

Agreed.
I guess Cheeky could have been trying to bait the shot?

So, if we take Cheeky, me and you off this list, that leaves Dwelee who tried to stop Ircher lim, so unlikely, then could Chloe possibly be our deep wolf?

I think Mastina seems to be the most likely here both by PoE + RR slip unless I’m wrong somewhere but Chloe’s voting has been good.

I believe Cheeky isn’t scum here and I am obviously not. Problem is everyone on this list has reasons to be town. I know I am and strongly believe Cheeky is too.

[Amy Dunne]

There has been a mod error.

Ircher was a VT. I am correcting this now. Sorry for the mistake.

Well, I just hope this doesn’t help scum.

[Amy Dunne]

Reasons I think Mastina: RR post, weird tr on one of the most objectively scummiest slots on the playerlist. srs me for absolutely no good reason whatsoever. Maybe Ircher push?

reasons against: voted Meg, seems pissed at srs.

If we can confirm two townies on Ircher’s list, we still win.

So I know I’m town, won’t yet say if vt or mason and Cheeky, then scum will have to forfeit. That’s if she’s vt baiting shot. If she’s mason, we need one more.

So if she’s vt, her and me as innos would do it but if she’s mason, one more on this list as a confirmed inno. I haven’t decided on that yet. I’m hoping Cheeky is vt though because then we only need two.

[Amy Dunne]

Saw mastina @E-1 in game 3. STOP.. please

UNVOTE:

Who then? It’s not me and I don’t believe it’s Cheeky.

[Amy Dunne]

Amy, do you claim to be Mason?

Because that is the only way I'd consider you pure without looking at your play.

I am pure and I’m not claiming. I’m not going to help scum. The fact that you’re questioning me here makes me kind’ve suspicious because I think you know this isn’t how I play scum.

[Amy Dunne]

Yeah, I think it's T3. he hasbn't voted before I, RR, House & RCE flipped. (Yet he UNVOTED while he wasn't even voting). He went under the radar for too long and he called me Town in game 3 yet didn't bother vote either House or RR.

He did vote Meg, but that was a formality at that point.

VOTE: T3

[Amy Dunne]

Amy, do you claim to be Mason?

Because that is the only way I'd consider you pure without looking at your play.

I am pure and I’m not claiming. I’m not going to help scum. The fact that you’re questioning me here makes me kind’ve suspicious because I think you know this isn’t how I play scum.

I don't like your assumptions of my motives.

And I can make the same accusation of your play since you want to be cleared without a given reason.

Damned right because I’m town and I don’t believe you really think I’m scum in game 3. Why do you want me to claim? I hardclaim either vt or mason.

[Amy Dunne]

Amy, do you claim to be Mason?

Because that is the only way I'd consider you pure without looking at your play.

I am pure and I’m not claiming. I’m not going to help scum. The fact that you’re questioning me here makes me kind’ve suspicious because I think you know this isn’t how I play scum.

I don't like your assumptions of my motives.

And I can make the same accusation of your play since you want to be cleared without a given reason.

Oh dear.

I guess this is what you may all call "a shitshow."

I am a Mason.

Oh that’s just great then. I really hope Cheeky’s vt then.

[Amy Dunne]

Amy, do you claim to be Mason?

Because that is the only way I'd consider you pure without looking at your play.

I am pure and I’m not claiming. I’m not going to help scum. The fact that you’re questioning me here makes me kind’ve suspicious because I think you know this isn’t how I play scum.

I don't like your assumptions of my motives.

And I can make the same accusation of your play since you want to be cleared without a given reason.

Damned right because I’m town and I don’t believe you really think I’m scum in game 3. Why do you want me to claim? I hardclaim either vt or mason.

If you don't believe, you must accept that I know you are not a scoundrel in Game 3. Which I do not.

Do you contest my role?

No but you still should realize I’m town here.

[Amy Dunne]

I stg a50 if mastina is scum .—.

stg?

[Amy Dunne]

Amy, do you claim to be Mason?

Because that is the only way I'd consider you pure without looking at your play.

I am pure and I’m not claiming. I’m not going to help scum. The fact that you’re questioning me here makes me kind’ve suspicious because I think you know this isn’t how I play scum.

I don't like your assumptions of my motives.

And I can make the same accusation of your play since you want to be cleared without a given reason.

Damned right because I’m town and I don’t believe you really think I’m scum in game 3. Why do you want me to claim? I hardclaim either vt or mason.

If you don't believe, you must accept that I know you are not a scoundrel in Game 3. Which I do not.

Do you contest my role?

No but you still should realize I’m town here.

Your expectation is not fair.

I really think it is though. I have been really trying hard to find all of the scum in game 3. House spewed me town with his bs push on me. I really don’t understand how you’re not seeing it.

[Amy Dunne]

I think Amy is scum

VOTE: Amy
I don't think I'm voting Amy

I guarantee I’m not and this is the first time you’ve wrongly sr me ever.

[Amy Dunne]

okay, so who do you want to vote instead?
other than me

Not me, obviously not Chloe or Cheeky.

We need two confirmed townie that are definitely not Chloe and hopefully not Cheeky, It’s 100% not me, so we need one more. If we can settle on one more than we win but the remaining pool is Mastina, you, Dwelee, so we need one other confitown from this group,

And problem is I can find reasons to tr everyone but I know one of you, Dwelee, Mastina has to be last scum because it’s not me and obviously not Chloe or Cheeky,

[Amy Dunne]

I’ve been hammered.
I’m also town and would appreciate wit if you would vote Amy before we lose.

I’m not scum here and I promise I will flip town, so stop gamethrowing and tell me who you think is the last scum.

[Amy Dunne]

A50 who should we vote next? We don’t want to give scum a chance to shoot Chloe.

[Amy Dunne]

If T3 is town, that leaves Dwelee or Mastina.

[Amy Dunne]

A50 who should we vote next? We don’t want to give scum a chance to shoot Chloe.

YOU.. and ONLY YOU. Now if you're Town you should self-vote.

VOTE: Amy

but 1 100% will flip town, so I think we lose this if I’m hammered but if this is the only way to convince I’m not scum fine but it’s not me.

[Amy Dunne]

It’s bewteen Dwelee and Mastina, so it’s on you guys if you get it wrong.

[Amy Dunne]

A50 who should we vote next? We don’t want to give scum a chance to shoot Chloe.

YOU.. and ONLY YOU. Now if you're Town you should self-vote.

VOTE: Amy

but 1 100% will flip town, so I think we lose this if I’m hammered but if this is the only way to convince I’m not scum fine but it’s not me.

No offense but you’re both being stupid but whatever. I shouldn’t be self-voting since you’re all being morons so you deserve to lose this.

[Amy Dunne]

It’s bewteen Dwelee and Mastina, so it’s on you guys if you get it wrong.

mastina isn't online..

Could point to mastina actually since no shots have been logged.

ding ding ding.


Someone is using their fucking brain.

[Amy Dunne]

Why would mastina hard push Meg? Did anyone think of that?

Why haven’t I shot anyone yet? Huh? But don’t think too hard on that, I wouldn’t want your brain to explode from overuse.

[Amy Dunne]

And no I won’t apologize for that and if it is actually Mastina, that’s on you for losing us game 3 and T3. Congrats.

[Amy Dunne]

Because you're still weighing your options (is it Dwlee or mastina?)m and AND because if you do EVEN if you shoot correct you'd be in a 3-person ELo still. You're saving it to be the KO

Yes because I know it’s not me and it obviously can’t be Chloe or Cheeky.

[Amy Dunne]

Therefore it has to be either Dwelee or Mastina. So if you miselim me, you had better pray your solve is the right one. I shouldn’t have listened to you because I thought he sounded townie and as a result of that. you’re now going to miselim me.

[Amy Dunne]

I don't want your apology. Just know that being aggressive doesn't buy you credit here.

I don’t give a fuck. I’m sick of town being stupid and gamethrowing, so you deserve it.

[Amy Dunne]

Why can't it be Cheeky again? OH, yes. because she claimed Mason.

I don’t believe she’d do that as scum, so I won’t vote her. Like I thought you were actually decent at solving but you sussing on Cheeky is even worse. I guess I’ll give you credit for not sr Chloe but just barely.

[Amy Dunne]

We can "mislim" you while both Dwlee and mastina are not around, and take it from there.

If you miselim me and you 100% fucking will then we lose if you get it wrong between Dwelee or Mastina.

[Amy Dunne]

Amy we're following a lim order by A50 to prevent leaking info since A50 is informed, it's nothing personal. Ircher went without a fuss, so let's just flip, no drama.

After my flip, there’s only Dwelee and Mastina left. I probably shouldn’t have unvoted her since I didn’t sr T3.

The fuss is I don’t want scum to win this. It’s taking everything within me not to unvote but I’m hoping some braincells finally kick in. I’m not holding my breath on that.

[Amy Dunne]

We can "mislim" you while both Dwlee and mastina are not around, and take it from there.

If you miselim me and you 100% fucking will then we lose if you get it wrong between Dwelee or Mastina.

Who do you want of the two? I am fine eliminating either before you.

You know what? I'll even give you one better.. you decide the lim order

UNVOTE:

Idk but if we speed lim we save Chloe.

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: Dwelee

[Amy Dunne]

Chloe not dying probably points to it being Mastina.

[Amy Dunne]

Oh my god no
Just vote Amy

It’s not me you idiot!

[Amy Dunne]

Are you thinking it?

Im talking to amy

Idk, I know it’s not me, obviously not Chloe and I don’t believe it’s Cheeky. It could be because of that RR post. Why does he claim to shoot her in the main thread?

He told me in our ELSM scum PT that he should have distanced me, so that makes me lean that way. Also, Meg could be distancing her.

She fooled me by doing that last time and partially why we lost B.

I think associatives probably point to Mastina but if wrong, then shoot Dwelee and pray.

Meg’s interactions with Mastina are the main reason though but she could be doing the opposite to try to fool me but you have two flipped scum treating her as town here. Is that tmi or intentional?

[Amy Dunne]

What do you think Chloe? I don’t know how closely you were following that game after you repped out but both of you totally had me fooled. I was certain that you were never Meg’s buddy, so we know Meg’s really good at wifom.

[Amy Dunne]

Where'd Amy go, low key getting paranoid someone is going to pop off soon.

Can someone confirm who's left in G3.

I’m here and I’m still not scum.

[Amy Dunne]

:/ you know my town game A50, don't even start.

I should probably ask you the same question I asked Chloe. Do you think Meg was trying to wifom Mastina as not her buddy? Because both Meg and RR only focused on her, so is that a tmi read or intentional?

[Amy Dunne]

It’s not me.

VOTE: Mastina

[Amy Dunne]

Bang Bang. A Win Condition has been achieved.


I should really go do something productive.

Spoiler:

Just kidding, T3 has died. The town of the Open Setup has won!

Congrats!

Oh thank God. Told you it wasn’t me. T3 trying to miselim should have been a huge red flag.

[Amy Dunne]

YOU WERE OBVIOUSLY DIEGO BUT THEN YOU CLAIMED VT AND I GOT SO PARANOID

I am trying so hard to not burst out laughing LOLOL

lmfaoooo Dwelee, you were awesome. I was trying to get scum to shoot me by paranoing them on my being mason but Dwelee managed to pull that off.

@T3, your mason calculator needs fixing. Lololol

[Amy Dunne]

Who did T3 try to shoot?

Obviously AMY.

I shot Amy kekke

Also I'd it wasn't obvious I'm not seriously claiming in either remaining game

Wait I fooled not one but two scums? I had better get a scummie nom for this.

[Amy Dunne]

Amy nice work too BTW.

<3

I thought he shot Dwelee but my wifoming scum paid off. Sorry to those I insulted, this made my day.

[Amy Dunne]

What happened Game 3? Give me tLDr

We got down to 5 alive with me, dwlee, a50, Amy, you, and cheeky.
I shot you, cheeky, and Amy.

I shot Amy kekke

Also I'd it wasn't obvious I'm not seriously claiming in either remaining game

I want to frame these quotes.

[Amy Dunne]

I misjudged you Amy. Forgive me.

Forgiven, I was really upset that my being miselimed would cost us the game. I hated self-voting but I was trying to not get miselimed.

[Amy Dunne]

UNVOTE:

[Amy Dunne]

That is not the way to start

Meg why haven’t you been doing any solving like you did in ELSM’s games A and C?

[Amy Dunne]

Like if you look back at its d1 elimination that I pushed pretty heavily was just someone that wouldn't cause me to die in any game and didn't kill me partner in B

I know it’s different and we were more spread out in that game but who do you think is scum in games 1 and 2?

I think Mastina’s tr on House still makes 0 sense but she probably looks better than either you or House.

[Amy Dunne]

Hello

Another slot I will be watching out for.

lowkey want to ask how you read Meg now, but if I myself am not efforting then I guess it wouldn't be fair to ask.

OK, consider it an optional question for you to respond to.

I’m not sure yet but if she obvtowns it, I’ll see it. So far, I’m not.

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: HouseI don’t like this response.

Also Amy is not scum with House in the remaining 2 games.

Now the reason why I didn't consider this in game 3 is Ircher had a free choice of 4 names (2 of them were Town) and opted to pick one of the scum to start the wagon. Amy joining the wagon is not as strong an indicator since her choosing another wagon would have been sus if she was scum in game 3, but she could have also avoided voting at this time if she was scum with House elsewhere.

Don't mind me, I'm just being me.

Yeah, that should have been obvious to everyone that we weren’t buddies in that.

[Amy Dunne]

Spoiler: Important Links

Rules - Current Vote Count - Masons and Mafia PT - Mod Thread - Mafia Thread (Normal)

Last link says not authorized

Just highlighting something I am confuzzled about. Like, why would Town!Dunn even try to click the Mafia link and expect to be authorized? yet again, why would Scum!Dunn say that in paublic?

He did it in ELSM too.

[Amy Dunne]

Spoiler:

Bang Bang. A Win Condition has been achieved.
I should really go do something productive.

You fuckers have NOBODY to fucking blame but yourselves.

DID I NOT FUCKING SAY.

DID I FUCKING NOT FUCKING SAY.

THAT AMY WAS SCUM IN AT LEAST ONE FUCKING GAME.

DID I NOT FUCKING TELL YOU THAT I NEVER FUCKING BUS MEG HERE.
DID I NOT FUCKING HARD TOWNSLIP BY NOT BEING AWARE OF THE FUCKING NATURE OF THE SCUM/MASONS IN GAME THREE.

DID I NOT FUCKING TELL YOU YOU FUCKERS COULD FUCK OFF IF YOU THOUGHT I WAS SCUM BECAUSE I NEVER FUCKING AM.

You fucking OWE me big here because that loss is on YOU fuckers.
I was sleeping, sure!

But do you think I wouldn't have instantly shot?

I'm MASTINA.
I'm fucking DEADWEIGHT AS SCUM.

I take the FIRST FUCKING SHOT for my team.

Not the fucking last shot.

And you fuckers if you had a fucking brain would've critically analyzed that.

But noooooo.

You HAD to do the fucking impulsive thing.

So fuck off with accusations of me being scum EVER again and hammering me when I'm fucking sleeping.

Also:
Since Ircher flipped town in game 3, that means Ircher is scum with MegAzumarill in game two.

If I make a wallpost like this, will you get it through your thick skull that you’re wrong on me? Yes or No?

[Amy Dunne]

This choice of Ircher tells me he's not scum with House in either of the 2 games.

Also Amy is not scum with House in the remaining 2 games.

That'd be because

nobody

is scum with House because he's town in both.

And you know this how?

[Amy Dunne]

I'm super offended that A50 considers my reads worse than Irchers </3. Go eat a fat banana.

Your read on me usually is, you sr me in pretty much every game I play with you.

[Amy Dunne]

I mean, that explanation only hit me when I read Amy's response to you about that particular post, but I guess she did intend to draw the shot and phrased it more explicitly

I was trying to bait a shot from scum which is why I refused to claim.

[Amy Dunne]

I don't really have the time to get all my thoughts down but if I don't write some of this down now I'll forget about it over the night. So:

T3/Mastina unlikely scum pairing
Ircher/a50 likely aligned the same in both games. Which is tricky because they could be (town/town, scum/scum)(town in all) or (scum in all) but I'm leaning town across the board for both.

I had ircher as a mason read early in game 3 not for specific interactions but how they interacted long term over the course of the game. Which was wrong but points to a broader direction they're taking over all games opposed to one.

Take those both with a grain of salt.

Also sideread I had a moontheory that T3 and dwlee could be scum partners, lovers, or neighbors in another game and it influenced t3 taking a shot on Amy over dwlee via another channels influence (PT) despite him believing dwlee was mason initially.

Or Amy + t3 works in the same capacity but like....reverse.

I have t3 as town for now though but it might be because of accurate reading on their part and not because they are actually just town. I do acknowledge that scum!t3 would call me town from a meta standpoint as well so it's like a pocket that I'm aware of that doesn't seem like a pocket.

Last setup debunked all of this statistical crap. Jingle told us that it’s entirely random.

[Amy Dunne]

Do not bother Amy. Your resources are best served solving.

Relinquish all ego with The Lady and we may experience rapture together.

Spoiler:

Bang Bang. A Win Condition has been achieved.
I should really go do something productive.

You fuckers have NOBODY to fucking blame but yourselves.

DID I NOT FUCKING SAY.

DID I FUCKING NOT FUCKING SAY.

THAT AMY WAS SCUM IN AT LEAST ONE FUCKING GAME.

DID I NOT FUCKING TELL YOU THAT I NEVER FUCKING BUS MEG HERE.
DID I NOT FUCKING HARD TOWNSLIP BY NOT BEING AWARE OF THE FUCKING NATURE OF THE SCUM/MASONS IN GAME THREE.

DID I NOT FUCKING TELL YOU YOU FUCKERS COULD FUCK OFF IF YOU THOUGHT I WAS SCUM BECAUSE I NEVER FUCKING AM.

You fucking OWE me big here because that loss is on YOU fuckers.
I was sleeping, sure!

But do you think I wouldn't have instantly shot?

I'm MASTINA.
I'm fucking DEADWEIGHT AS SCUM.

I take the FIRST FUCKING SHOT for my team.

Not the fucking last shot.

And you fuckers if you had a fucking brain would've critically analyzed that.

But noooooo.

You HAD to do the fucking impulsive thing.

So fuck off with accusations of me being scum EVER again and hammering me when I'm fucking sleeping.

Also:
Since Ircher flipped town in game 3, that means Ircher is scum with MegAzumarill in game two.

If I make a wallpost like this, will you get it through your thick skull that you’re wrong on me? Yes or No?

Please do not. I literally just made a "Don't be toxic" warning.

I won’t but you you please reign in Mastina from non-stop cursing at everyone?

[Amy Dunne]

Dear Miss Amy Dunne,

You're doing that behavior again that I originally saw from you as scum long ago.

Where you spend much time replying post-by-post in the game without interacting with what is directly in front of you. Me, in this case.

I do not know if it is a scumtell of yours, though. I am not accusing you that it is.

Yet I would wish you refrain from doing it unless you feel it is most beneficial for you to solve.

Because otherwise, it reads as filler posting.

And I will likely be in bed before you acknowledge this post, and that weakens my ability to sort you and other slots you interact with.

That’s fair but it’s totally nia for me. If that’s ALL I do, don’t try to make reads, solve, then you’ll know.

[Amy Dunne]

You have to love Amy.

<3

Anyway, I don’t understand what Mastina is seeing in Ircher, he seems pretty townie so far. Idk about Meg yet and idk wtf the demon lord thing is. I’d guess FL but he’s not in the game.

Still like A50, Cheeky, eventhough I’d like to lovingly throttle her sometimes (in the nicest most untoxic way imaginable) and you seem really invested.

What are your reads so far from games 1 and 2? I like the fact that you pay attention to my play. I wish everyone would do that.

[Amy Dunne]

You have to love Amy.

I love anyone with a "she" as her pronoun. I just don't express it unless she's ok with it.

Permission granted.

[Amy Dunne]

Do not bother Amy. Your resources are best served solving.

Relinquish all ego with The Lady and we may experience rapture together.

Sounds good to me.

[Amy Dunne]

Amy/Mega feel a bit soft on each other.

I don't think I buy mastina's claim in B but that's alright for now.

I think Mega is scum in B too. Possibly with Amy.

I have no problem voting Meg or anyone I sr. Give. me a case on her and if I agree I’ll voter her, same goes for Mastina.

[Amy Dunne]

I don’t like RR talking about nothing but mech. He has yet to make a single read.

VOTE: RR

[Amy Dunne]

Thinking about MegA a little more and their joke claim, Dwlee did mention killing a 3p as being a viable strategy so Dwlee not aligned with MegA in game 2, and I would place greater scum equity on Dwlee out of the two.

I just IS0’d him and couldn’t find that post. Can you link/quote it for me?

[Amy Dunne]

No actually I rescind Dwlee being scummier in B but think Dwlee more likely in A.

How do you distinguish that at this point? In game 3 I get it because game was underway but I’m just basing my reads rn just based off of play in general.

[Amy Dunne]

I do not feel like reading the 20 pages that appeared since I last checked right now, is Game 3 done yet?

Yeah, you guys lost. Don’t you have any thoughts about games 1 and 2?

[Amy Dunne]

Double HAMMER!

MegAzumarill has been hammered in the Mini Theme and been sent to that Great Circle File in the Sky. They were:

Spoiler: Mini Theme

Welcome, MegAzumarill to Triplicate Mafia: Carbon Paper. A love letter to Bureaucracy at its finest.

You are

Form 1040

, aligned with the Paperwork faction.

You may fill the game thread with many glorious words which contain the information needed to deduce the logic and reasoning behind the intentions of the other players in this game. All of the forms in this game have this power. You may also vote to retire some of the forms from use. Sadly, this destruction of forms is necessary, as there are petitions hidden amongst the forms that are trying to simplify the bureaucratic process, allowing the average individual to access the inner workings of their representation without hours of frustration and pain. Frankly, this cannot stand.

You win when all enemies of Paperwork have been eliminated and at least one Form is still alive.

Double Flip!

MegAzumarill has been determined as the prime suspect for Mafia activity, and as such has been taken to an undisclosed location and 'disposed of' for the good of the community.

They were:

Spoiler: Normal

Welcome to game! You are a

Town Tracker

.

You have the following active ability:

• Each Night, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, you will learn who that player targeted that night. (You will get "no result" if this action is blocked.)

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

Why did she fakeclaim? You should never ever do that.

I thought she was probably scum in another game because she seemed significantly less townie here than in ELSM.

[Amy Dunne]

No actually I rescind Dwlee being scummier in B but think Dwlee more likely in A.

How do you distinguish that at this point? In game 3 I get it because game was underway but I’m just basing my reads rn just based off of play in general.

Because MegA fake claimed town PR in game A rather than B where they claimed 3p jester so I think if MegA is in fact scum in B it makes it unlikely they are scum together since Dwlee believed the claim. And the TPR in Game A would be more threatening to scum than the 3p in game B. It makes sense in my head and I feel 50-50 in this translating into something logical in the thread.

Well we obviously now know she wasn’t aligned with anyone, so can you elaborate on your Dwelee read? Thanks.

[Amy Dunne]

I don't really have the time to get all my thoughts down but if I don't write some of this down now I'll forget about it over the night. So:

T3/Mastina unlikely scum pairing
Ircher/a50 likely aligned the same in both games. Which is tricky because they could be (town/town, scum/scum)(town in all) or (scum in all) but I'm leaning town across the board for both.

I had ircher as a mason read early in game 3 not for specific interactions but how they interacted long term over the course of the game. Which was wrong but points to a broader direction they're taking over all games opposed to one.

Take those both with a grain of salt.

Also sideread I had a moontheory that T3 and dwlee could be scum partners, lovers, or neighbors in another game and it influenced t3 taking a shot on Amy over dwlee via another channels influence (PT) despite him believing dwlee was mason initially.

Or Amy + t3 works in the same capacity but like....reverse.

I have t3 as town for now though but it might be because of accurate reading on their part and not because they are actually just town. I do acknowledge that scum!t3 would call me town from a meta standpoint as well so it's like a pocket that I'm aware of that doesn't seem like a pocket.

Last setup debunked all of this statistical crap. Jingle told us that it’s entirely random.

It's reading based on interactions. Did you take nothing from that post?

Sorry, I obviously misread. So you’re saying me and T3 are unaligned then? Well I’m not aligned with anyone.

[Amy Dunne]

mastina is demon lord
Likely personal

Proven false by voting timings btw. You can look at the VCs and see that my vote was on MegAzumarill way way way WAY before the Demon Lord vote appeared--and in fact, the Demon Lord vote appeared during a time I was offline pretty sure. (I'd need to doublecheck that.)

Why is mastina assuming that it is a scum ability?

Why don't you try reading my posts to find out? I already explained why, so if you're not being a lazy bum and actually read my posts you'd be able to find out precisely why I am assuming it is. (I'd link it to you right now, but no--I'm a vindicative bitch. It's there. And if you didn't know it was there, that's proof you haven't read my posts. So I'm not going to give you the precise post so you're forced to read all of mine to find out.)

Mastina is either very insightful on me or the opposite.

You'd think that the two would be mutually exclusive, but as it turns out, actually, no, they are not in fact mutually exclusive and the two can and do in fact coexist.

I don't know how Mastina approaches reading you as either alignment if it's attempted pocketing you're worried about

I'll be honest if Lady Chloe was playing on Taly I might not be townreading them, or at least not as strongly so--Taly is not posting in the style/way I would expect a town-Taly to have done so...

...But Taly isn't playing on Taly, now, is he? He's playing on Lady Chloe. And as he is playing on Lady Chloe, "not posting in the style/way I would expect town-Taly to" means nothing because Taly isn't the account playing even if it's the same person behind the screen.

So instead, I combine my general tells with general insight into Taly's mind filtered through the lens of "this isn't Taly as Taly but is still Taly", in that while the style/way may change, the general content and vibe is still Taly. By this crossreference of general tells with Taly methodology tells that apply even with a different style of posting, I formed the conclusion that Taly was town in all the games, as Taly didn't seem to have any sort of dissonance whatsoever.

And then on top of all of

that

, I added in my ultimate secret weapon when it comes to townreading Taly:

Spoiler: The strongest reason of all for townreading Taly in all three games

Honestly, I just like playing with Taly and just like Taly so even if I didn't have legitimate reasons to townread Taly (which I do, see above), I'd still townbin Taly at least on D1 anyway just from wanting Taly to be town, hoping that Taly is town, and figuring that there'd be better eliminations to make on D1 even if I was wrong on Taly being town.

Also, you do realize a simple roleblocker would 100% be a troll role and would in fact not work on scum PRs.

Misspoke.
Simple = works on Vanillas;
Roleblocker = blocks.

So it does have utility--at blocking scum goons.

Jokes are so suspicious these days. *Looks at MegA*

From some players and on some things, unironically yes.

MegAzumarill is not the type of person to make that joke as town and even if Meg was, then the TYPE of joke and the content of it makes it come from scum.

OK.. now, please give me a summary (and I emphasize on the word

summary

) of why Meg and/or Ircher are scum in either game. NO WALLPOSTING FOR THE LOVE OF EVERYTHING YOU BELIEVE IN. Just a short paragraph on each.

Meg is scum because this isn't Meg's towngame and the Demon Lord vote on Meg is scum voting scum; read my bloody posts to find out why;
Ircher is scum because Ircher has been defending Meg from the getgo--from my very first suspicion on Meg, Ircher has come to Meg's defense. Also, this isn't Ircher's towngame.

What does this even mean?? How does scum play change between the two games when we don't even know what the exact setup on either is??

You said not to answer it but I will answer it partially anyway.

Players can still show differences in the different games by their overall vibes and treatment and what they are pushing/doing in which games. In the case of MegAzumarill, it manifested in the "joke" claim post most strongly. All of Meg's posts say "scum in one game, town in another", but the joke post served as a distinguishing factor solving for which was which. Add in the Demon Lord vote being scum voting Meg to try and dissuade us from wagoning Meg and you get even more.

And you know this how?

I know it because I can tell House wasn't town in all three games but also was more town than not--he was scum in game 3 and thus would be town in the others. House's posts are

mostly

his town meta--mostly. Not quite tho. And that 'not quite' is entirely centric/revolving around the third game.

House's posts are transparently posts from someone who was town in 2/3 games and scum in the third.
We know the scum game so that means the other two are town games, because that's what House's posts indicate: an alignment mostly town but with one scumgame in the mix to prevent House from having been fully town the entire time.

I don’t understand what Mastina is seeing in Ircher, he seems pretty townie so far.

That's the thing though.
Ircher as town usually doesn't seem pretty townie to most people--I'm usually one of the

only

players who can read Ircher as town. Like, Ircher is usually low-hanging fruit, one of the most-appetizing mislims to make, never really townread by the town, but still looking obvtown to me.

The Ircher of this game is the exact opposite: not low-hanging fruit at all, not an appetizing mislim to make, is townread by the town, and looks absolutely not town at all to me.

I meant it when I said a minimum of 1/3 scumgames for him and quite possibly 2/3.

So your sr on him is based on him looking townie in this game? I don’t think that’s a great metric for scumreading anyone though, unless you can reference some Ircher scumgames where this has been the case?

[Amy Dunne]

I actually claimed roles that obviously don't exist quite a bit before coming to the site. I believe I've done it on site before but I'll have to see.

You should probably not keep doing that. If I see a pr claim that I can’t find anywhere on Mafiawiki or in any game on site, I’m probably going to sr that claim.

[Amy Dunne]

Do not bother Amy. Your resources are best served solving.

Relinquish all ego with The Lady and we may experience rapture together.

Sounds good to me.

Then may we experience rapture together~

Spoiler:

[Amy Dunne]

You have to love Amy.

<3

Anyway, I don’t understand what Mastina is seeing in Ircher, he seems pretty townie so far. Idk about Meg yet and idk wtf the demon lord thing is. I’d guess FL but he’s not in the game.

Still like A50, Cheeky, eventhough I’d like to lovingly throttle her sometimes (in the nicest most untoxic way imaginable) and you seem really invested.

What are your reads so far from games 1 and 2? I like the fact that you pay attention to my play. I wish everyone would do that.

I actually agree with mastina's method to read Ircher.

I've certainly mislimmed him when I was a scoundrel in a previous life, after delaying his elimination to get WK credit and my buddies + town sealed his fate.

How this translates to 3 games is another story.

If the converse is also true, then I’d agree with this.

[Amy Dunne]

It is in our best interest to purge demons, not jesters.

And the alternative is less attractive, while a pure PR revealed is weaker, why eliminate on such a basis?

Anyone who believes the claim and votes MegAzumarill because of it vexes me.

Let me be perhaps a bit more clear.
I believe the Jester claim. I do not believe the Roleblocker claim, or at least don't believe the Town part of it. Nor do I believe it was a "joke"

So, I think Meg is scum in Game 1, and Jester in Game 2. By eliminating there, we eliminate scum in one game, and a 3P with very scary powers in another. It avoids limming a Townie in either game, which makes it seem like a rather appealing option.

If you seriously believed her jester claim, then you should have been opposed to her lim in game B. Now if you only said you thought she was 3P it would make more sense but why would anyone believing the jester claim think she was a good vote in B? This makes no sense.

However, if you thought she was 3P (but not jester) in game B, then that is actually why you should have not voting her in game B because why would you vote out someone that you think isn’t scum?

[Amy Dunne]

It is in our best interest to purge demons, not jesters.

And the alternative is less attractive, while a pure PR revealed is weaker, why eliminate on such a basis?

Anyone who believes the claim and votes MegAzumarill because of it vexes me.

Let me be perhaps a bit more clear.
I believe the Jester claim. I do not believe the Roleblocker claim, or at least don't believe the Town part of it. Nor do I believe it was a "joke"

So, I think Meg is scum in Game 1, and Jester in Game 2. By eliminating there, we eliminate scum in one game, and a 3P with very scary powers in another. It avoids limming a Townie in either game, which makes it seem like a rather appealing option.

I see. The way you frame it sounds tempting to vote with.

I can see the not limming a townie argument but 3P still isn’t scum unless SK and we should be trying to find mafia.

[Amy Dunne]

Why did she fakeclaim? You should never ever do that.

You're gonna hate playing with me, Flavor Leaf, Elsa Jay, and a few others who make it a regular habit to fake claim just for funzies. :lo:

Ask anyone in the know and they'll tell you this isn't how I usually play as ANY alignment. But I'm sure getting there bit by bit.

Well it depends. I think modifying a claim or something close to it is fine but enough people read it as fake, which it was. I’ve only seen that role in one game ever and there was a town simple rb and a scum simple rb in the same game.

Wrt to game B, fakeclaiming jester is never a good idea unless it’s an open or a semi open game where it’s known to at least possibly exist in the actual setup.

I’m not sure if claim B was even intended to be taken seriously because she had like a gazillion actions preceding the jester part of it.

[Amy Dunne]

My Taly claim was not fake.

CC! lol

[Amy Dunne]

Well we obviously now know she wasn’t aligned with anyone, so can you elaborate on your Dwelee read? Thanks.

That's EXACTLY the kind of thing I wanted to avoid. Like, X suspected Y for saying/doing something. They may not know it, but Y actually does this more often when they are a TPR (NOT TALKING ABOUT DWLEE IN PARTICULAR). Explaining such things during the night may tip off the Scum on particular individuals being TPRs in a particular setup.

A prime example is what Meg did (the fake claim), I knew she was most likely a VT in game 2 because of that weird claim (she never does that as scum here). Wasn't quite sure about game 1 but gave it a 50-50 chance she could be a PR (although I didn't expect her to be an important one).

Unfortunately that wasn’t the case. I don’t know much about that wrt to Meg. In ELSM, there weren’t any prs in that.

[Amy Dunne]

I can kinda get the Jester nonsense, but... As a TPR, why on Earth would you fakeclaim a DIFFERENT TPR???

I don’t understand the logic for claiming simple roleblocker or jester as town.

With A, you wouldn’t want to go out of your way to put a target on your back if not absolutely necessary. With B? Just why?

[Amy Dunne]

What is good
VOTE: Meg
This an option?

I don’t like this, it actually looks worse than a straight up naked vote. And what does the second part even mean?

[Amy Dunne]

It is in our best interest to purge demons, not jesters.

And the alternative is less attractive, while a pure PR revealed is weaker, why eliminate on such a basis?

Anyone who believes the claim and votes MegAzumarill because of it vexes me.

That and the speed of the wagons should have probably raised flags as well.

[Amy Dunne]

So you’re saying me and T3 are unaligned then? Well I’m not aligned with anyone.

Are you the demon lord?

I don’t even know who or wtf that is, do you? But even more perplexing how does that even relate to that post?

[Amy Dunne]

So you’re saying me and T3 are unaligned then? Well I’m not aligned with anyone.

Are you the demon lord?

I don’t even know who or wtf that is, do you? But even more perplexing how does that even relate to that post?

It was me being annoyingly literal about your claim that you aren't aligned with anyone. You're aligned with town or scum or you are the demon lord.

I think it’s extremely obvious what I meant by that.

[Amy Dunne]

I think it’s extremely obvious what I meant by that.

It's was, hence "annoyingly literal"

I don’t know if you’re actually trolling me with this or serious? Not aligned=no buddies. I am not Satan or whatever.

[Amy Dunne]

I think it’s extremely obvious what I meant by that.

It's was, hence "annoyingly literal"

I don’t know if you’re actually trolling me with this or serious? Not aligned=no buddies. I am not Satan or whatever.

I am trolling and just to be annoying again, not aligned means not the same alignment.

Generally, not aligned means you have no connection to any other player. That’s how I usually interpret that.

[Amy Dunne]

Amy, how are you reading Dwlee and Cheeky's tea party?

I’d say they don’t look aligned and think Cheeky is probably town based off her being very different here than in ELSM.

I didn’t like Dwelee’s Meg vote but not sure I agree it’s TMI. What is your take on it?

[Amy Dunne]

I call a vote! All those in favour of Amy's definition of not aligned say I do or forever hold your peace.

Wtf?

Cheeky, you’re making me doubt my earlier strong tr now.

[Amy Dunne]

I call my vote.

Flip Cheeky in one game, Dwlee in another.

I guess I have your answer.

[Amy Dunne]

You guys are no fun. I'll go annoy my family instead.

No you’re not annoying. I’ve only found one player in this game to fit that description.

At the risk of getting yelled at, I wasn’t thrilled with either Dwelee’s or Mastina’s progression on Meg. Now, if I missed Mastina’s explanation for how she was so certain about DL in her response to Dunn. I’ll reacess. And no Mastina you need to quote or link it for us. I’m not going to go through an ISO with multiple posts telling people to “fuck off” and you shouldn’t expect us too. As for Dwelee, I would like to know why he believed the claim.

[Amy Dunne]

Are you accusing me of TMI on her being town AFTER she flipped rn

Yes right now and all the way up until now.

OR mastina staged all of this and is the demon lord. Well done mastina, well done.

What I must answer: does Cheeky dangle her partner's ability so openly, desperately chaining a mislim to Dwlee's neck while actually believing they are scum in the other game?

I rephrase - they

both

indiscriminately limmed MegAzumarill in game A and B, and Cheeky is

just now

confident Dwlee TMI'd MegAzumarill?

Dwlee does not look better either. They were comfortable limming a 3p claim they believed in.

They both could be partners in crime, but that's a logic leap. It infers that they are both bussing for no clear reason as neither were suspected.

So I do not believe their suspicion is insincere.

Their thought progression is.

I will re-ISO her then.

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: Dunn
VOTE: Mega
Unless mega is a game ending jester I think they're just optimal lim in game two? Although, eliminating the roleblocker from A would suck

I was thinking if MegA townsides it might be worth keeping them around, that role is banging.

Was this a test to see if I remembered you also believing it

I didn't immediately order MegA's execution as a 3p and entertained keeping her around if she was serious. So clearly I know nothing about her alignment whereas your reaction was based on her being town or non scum.

A serious 3p claim should always be limmed, why do you not agree?

If you don’t have better options then yes because limming 3p is obviously preferable to limming town and especially closer elo but unless SK in a non-bastard game, 3p aren’t usually mafia.

Point, I’m aware of a game where a survivor probably did more to help the town wincon, then any actual townies in that game because in that game the 3p was clearly townsiding.

[Amy Dunne]

As for Dwelee, I would like to know why they believed the claim.

Jesters that aren't game ending and don't have consequences should always be limmed, as they can soak night actions or lose the game for us in ELO by self-voting. If I like spent some time thinking about it more maybe I'd have processed it as a joke but I was mostly playing game 3 and devoting all of my mental energy there instead so I read that and was like "??? Okay then"

And the roleblocker?

[Amy Dunne]

Survivor is kind of different cause it can win with town, but anything like jester or sk should be eliminated over risking an elimination elsewhere if outed. In a recent game with a possibility of a jester we agreed jester should just claim and we would lim them cause it was optimal

Doesn’t jester usually end the game?

[Amy Dunne]

It is not a chainsaw it is My Heel that will collapse both of your throats unless I recognize your transparency.

[Amy Dunne]

If you seriously believed her jester claim, then you should have been opposed to her lim in game B. Now if you only said you thought she was 3P it would make more sense but why would anyone believing the jester claim think she was a good vote in B? This makes no sense.

However, if you thought she was 3P (but not jester) in game B, then that is actually why you should have not voting her in game B because why would you vote out someone that you think isn’t scum?

If she just claimed regular boring Jester? Yeah, I'd probably let her live until we got close to MeLo. But she claimed to be bulletproof, so very little chance of her being nightkilled, barring a scum strongman or something, AND having a compulsive vig and JK, and I assumed the multitasking part meant she could pick different targets for each, which would have been killing and disrupting mostly Town, but maybe some scum if we were lucky.

That's also why I was inclined to believe it. In addition to overcomplication seeming thematically appropriate, the fact that she was claiming something so immensely anti-Town that couldn't be otherwise dealt with justified the Jester claim, whereas a normal Jester probably wouldn't be inclined to claim. Further, if such a broken role existed AND ended the game on death... I would have a great deal many questions for whoever reviewed that setup.


Your point about always letting 3Ps live though is just wrong. Excepting Survivor, which is situational, most 3Ps are functionally scum, and should be dealt with accordingly.

I wouldn’t let a non-Survivor 3p get anywhere near elo and if you felt that Meg was the scummiest slot then fine but yeah I don’t agree that any non-mafia lim is optimal this early other than SK. I thought the claim in B was so over the top with so many different actions and modifiers preceding the jester part, that I thought it had to be at least in part a troll. In contrast I thought she did intend to take the simple roleblocker claim to be taken seriously. The nature of both claims was only part of the problem, it’s also the combined claim of the two plus the timing of them.

[Amy Dunne]

A50 town both
Okay that's as far as I've gotten. I feel like I need to properly reset after game 3 has ended because I still have all the vibes from there stuck in my head

RR town

Do you tr RR in both games because you didn’t specify like you did with A50?

[Amy Dunne]

They're both cool human beings. I am not giving reads during the night like EVER. Ask me again once a game is back on, and I will give you my opinion on that specific game.

:/ reads during the night is good for reasons.

Although I can see arguments for both, I agree with A50. I think it’s probably best to not to risk tipping off scum. This mechanic is kind’ve strange that this thread would be open at night. I will have plenty of thoughts to flood the thread with once night ends.

[Amy Dunne]

It occurs to me that this wasn't the wisest time to assert suspicion using the logic you and Almost50 gave. What should I do, Amy?

Well, probably not out all of your reads. Unfortunately nothing can really be done about that now. I wish fast night was an option here.

I will probably just meme until daystart. There really isn’t much point to giving anymore reads since we can’t even vote yet.

[Amy Dunne]

You didn’t ask me this RCE but I probably wouldn’t have enough shoe space for Chloe.

Spoiler:

[Amy Dunne]

I’m completely and entirely lost.

Nothing confusing is happening right now

Yep

So what are you lost about?

[Amy Dunne]

D: look what you did scum!

If I die before day 2 in every game I'm taking my ball and going home.

I am saddened.

:/

I will try my best to avenge you and Meg. We can’t let this be a scum stomp.

[Amy Dunne]

Mastina died in the other game?

The Dead

(The Circle File)]MegAzumarill,

Form 1040

, sent to the Circle File D1.

The Dead

(Openly Not Breathing)]Almost50,

Town Mason

, was sniped D1.
Radical Rat,

Mafia Goon

, aimed poorly on D1.
House,

Mafia Goon

, lost a fight with some lead on D1.
RCEnigma,

Vanilla Town

, was falsely accused of having a secret on D1.
MegAzumarill,

Mafia Goon

, had a problem with backfiring firearms D2.
Ircher,

Vanilla Town

, was sacrificed in the name of progress D2.

Mastina,

Vanilla Town

, was absent from the Finale at the end of D3.

CheekyTeeky,

Town Mason

, was murdered on the Final Day.
Lady Chloe,

Town Mason

, was brutalized in a fit of envy on the Final Day.
T3,

Mafia Goon

, was overcome with guilt and confessed at the end of the Final Day.

Not according to this. She’s only dead in C. Only Meg and now obviously RCE are dead in more than one game.

[Amy Dunne]

When Meg flips scum in both will I be exonerated then

Amy, does this come from someone completely uninformed or someone pretending to be so?

It could be either. It does look to be uninformed though.

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: T3

VOTE: t3

What is scum indicative of T3's play?

Reasons @Dunn, @Dwelee?

[Amy Dunne]

If I die before day 2 in every game I'm taking my ball and going home.

You have at least a few hours during which you're effectively a Townstump for Game 1.
Who did you JK? What are your final reads?

+1

I was going to say that he can still post after this but since he’s now only alive in B, best not to take any chances.

[Amy Dunne]

Mastina died in the other game?

The Dead

(The Circle File)]MegAzumarill,

Form 1040

, sent to the Circle File D1.

The Dead

(Openly Not Breathing)]Almost50,

Town Mason

, was sniped D1.
Radical Rat,

Mafia Goon

, aimed poorly on D1.
House,

Mafia Goon

, lost a fight with some lead on D1.
RCEnigma,

Vanilla Town

, was falsely accused of having a secret on D1.
MegAzumarill,

Mafia Goon

, had a problem with backfiring firearms D2.
Ircher,

Vanilla Town

, was sacrificed in the name of progress D2.

Mastina,

Vanilla Town

, was absent from the Finale at the end of D3.

CheekyTeeky,

Town Mason

, was murdered on the Final Day.
Lady Chloe,

Town Mason

, was brutalized in a fit of envy on the Final Day.
T3,

Mafia Goon

, was overcome with guilt and confessed at the end of the Final Day.

Not according to this. She’s only dead in C. Only Meg and now obviously RCE are dead in more than one game.

Exactly what I thought.

Mastina, you are clearly only dead in C, so I don’t understand why you’re saying you’re alive in only one game?

[Amy Dunne]

Setup Specific Information

Spoiler: All Setups

A Player may post in the game thread so long as they are alive in any game. Players may continue to post in the game thread during the night phases, so long as it is unlocked. Players will not receive action results for nights during which they die. If you are dead in all games you may not post in the game thread.

Players will be required to post once every 36 hours. If you don't post for 36 hours and have not notified me that you are V/LA you will be prodded and have a further 24 hours to post. If a player would be prodded for a fourth time, they will be replaced instead.

Votes should be bolded or cast using the vote tags. They will apply to all games in which they are a valid vote. Invalid votes will not be applied as unvotes. I am the final arbitrator of what is and is not a vote. If I think it looks like a vote and quacks like a vote

it's probably a witch

I will count it as a vote.

Spoiler: Setup 1

This setup has been reviewed for Normalcy by Flavor Leaf. With the exception of the voting rules across all games, this setup is guaranteed to be entirely normal. The Mafia faction has Daytalk. Dayphases will last 14 days. Night Phases will last 36 hours.

VT

Welcome to game! You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no active abilities.

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

Spoiler: Setup 2: The Mini Theme

All players are Multitasking by default. The deadline is 10 days for D1, 7 days for subsequent day phases, and 2 days for Night Phases. Dead mafia members may continue to post in the mafia thread after their demise (but are not required to do so).

VT

Welcome, [Playername] to Triplicate Mafia: Carbon Paper. A love letter to Bureaucracy at its finest.

You are

Form 1040

, aligned with the Paperwork faction.

You may fill the game thread with many glorious words which contain the information needed to deduce the logic and reasoning behind the intentions of the other players in this game. All of the forms in this game have this power. You may also vote to retire some of the forms from use. Sadly, this destruction of forms is necessary, as there are petitions hidden amongst the forms that are trying to simplify the bureaucratic process, allowing the average individual to access the inner workings of their representation without hours of frustration and pain. Frankly, this cannot stand.

You win when all enemies of Paperwork have been eliminated and at least one Form is still alive.

Not in the Game

Welcome, [Playername] to Triplicate Mafia: Carbon Paper. A love letter to Bureaucracy at its finest.

You are

Form W2-G

, aligned with the Paperwork faction.

You may fill the game thread with many glorious words which contain the information needed to deduce the logic and reasoning behind the intentions of the other players in this game. All of the forms in this game have this power. You may also vote to retire some of the forms from use. Sadly, this destruction of forms is necessary, as there are petitions hidden amongst the forms that are trying to simplify the bureaucratic process, allowing the average individual to access the inner workings of their representation without hours of frustration and pain. Frankly, this cannot stand.

You win when all enemies of Paperwork have been eliminated and at least one Form is still alive.

Additionally, as a bit of a risky proposition, during the night you may guess who the elimination will be the following day. If you are correct, you will be immune to any nightkills the following night.

Spoiler: Setup 3 - Open

4 Mafia Goon

Mafia Goon

Welcome, [Player Name]. You are a Mafia Goon, along with your partners, [Player Name], [Player Name] and [Player Name].

Abilities:

Daykill: At any time in the game, you may PM the moderator a daykill attempt. If that player is a Mason they will die. If the player is a Townie, the kill backfires and you will suicide.
You have no private channel of communication with your scumteam.

Secret PT:

All members of the Mafia and all Masons have access to a private topic that they may only post in with an alt account provided by the mod. Your account information is:

Username

:

Password

:

The PT will be in the bookmarks of the Alt account. You may not use this account for any purpose other than posting in that thread. You are not required to post in that thread.

Win condition:

You win when you control 50% of the town or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

4 Masons

Town Mason

Welcome, [Player Name], you are a Town Mason, along with your partners, [Player Name], [Player Name] and [Player Name].

Abilities:

You are confirmed town to your partners, and them to you, however you have no private channel of communication.

Secret PT:

All members of the Mafia and all Masons have access to a private topic that they may only post in with an alt account provided by the mod. Your account information is:

Username

:

Password

:

The PT will be in the bookmarks of the Alt account. You may not use this account for any purpose other than posting in that thread. You are not required to post in that thread.

Win condition:

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

5 VTs

Vanilla Townie

Welcome, [Player Name], you are a Vanilla Townie.

Abilities:

If anyone attempts to attack kill you, they will die instead.

Win condition:

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Mechanics
Nightless
Every Mafia player has the ability to send in a private daykill to the mod. If the kill hits a Mason it will succeed, if it hits a Townie, the kill will backfire and the Mafia player will die.
Every Mason and Mafia player is given access to a Secret Alt which they may use to post in the single private thread for the game. They are not required to do so. Only masons and mafia may view this thread, and they may continue to post in it after they die if they so choose.
If both other games are finished, this game will have a deadline of 7 Days. At deadline, the player with most votes will be eliminated. If there is a tie, only the player who was most recently at a higher number of votes than the other tied players will die.

The Rules: Always in Effect

1. Don't be a dick.
2. This is a game for fun. Act like it.
3. Pretending to break a rule IS breaking a rule.
4. Don't PROVABLY quote priveleged information.
5. Try not to allow outside influences to affect the game.
6. Follow Site Rules.
7. If you think it should be against the rules, assume it is.
8. I will change these at any time for the integrity of the game or if I think it will increase the enjoyment of the players.

The Rules: This Game

1. Any vote will count so long as it is for a player living in a game. Voting for a player who is dead in a game will not count as an unvote in that game. You may unvote in all games by using the UNVOTE: tags or voting for VOTE: Unvote. You may vote to not have an elimination in all games by voting VOTE: No Elimination. Bolded votes are also acceptable, but must have 'Vote:' in them. Please do not attempt to make it ambiguous whether you're voting, as I will probably just assume it's a vote. Remember: if it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, it's probably a witch.

2. Players will be required to post once every 36 hours. If you don't post for 36 hours and have not notified me that you are V/LA you will be prodded and have a further 24 hours to post. If a player would be prodded for a fourth time, they will be replaced instead.

3. Please refer to the individual setups for further rules information and Sample Role PMs.

RR is right.

[Amy Dunne]

Setup Specific Information

Spoiler: All Setups

A Player may post in the game thread so long as they are alive in any game. Players may continue to post in the game thread during the night phases, so long as it is unlocked. Players will not receive action results for nights during which they die. If you are dead in all games you may not post in the game thread.

Players will be required to post once every 36 hours. If you don't post for 36 hours and have not notified me that you are V/LA you will be prodded and have a further 24 hours to post. If a player would be prodded for a fourth time, they will be replaced instead.

Votes should be bolded or cast using the vote tags. They will apply to all games in which they are a valid vote. Invalid votes will not be applied as unvotes. I am the final arbitrator of what is and is not a vote. If I think it looks like a vote and quacks like a vote

it's probably a witch

I will count it as a vote.

Spoiler: Setup 1

This setup has been reviewed for Normalcy by Flavor Leaf. With the exception of the voting rules across all games, this setup is guaranteed to be entirely normal. The Mafia faction has Daytalk. Dayphases will last 14 days. Night Phases will last 36 hours.

VT

Welcome to game! You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no active abilities.

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

Spoiler: Setup 2: The Mini Theme

All players are Multitasking by default. The deadline is 10 days for D1, 7 days for subsequent day phases, and 2 days for Night Phases. Dead mafia members may continue to post in the mafia thread after their demise (but are not required to do so).

VT

Welcome, [Playername] to Triplicate Mafia: Carbon Paper. A love letter to Bureaucracy at its finest.

You are

Form 1040

, aligned with the Paperwork faction.

You may fill the game thread with many glorious words which contain the information needed to deduce the logic and reasoning behind the intentions of the other players in this game. All of the forms in this game have this power. You may also vote to retire some of the forms from use. Sadly, this destruction of forms is necessary, as there are petitions hidden amongst the forms that are trying to simplify the bureaucratic process, allowing the average individual to access the inner workings of their representation without hours of frustration and pain. Frankly, this cannot stand.

You win when all enemies of Paperwork have been eliminated and at least one Form is still alive.

Not in the Game

Welcome, [Playername] to Triplicate Mafia: Carbon Paper. A love letter to Bureaucracy at its finest.

You are

Form W2-G

, aligned with the Paperwork faction.

You may fill the game thread with many glorious words which contain the information needed to deduce the logic and reasoning behind the intentions of the other players in this game. All of the forms in this game have this power. You may also vote to retire some of the forms from use. Sadly, this destruction of forms is necessary, as there are petitions hidden amongst the forms that are trying to simplify the bureaucratic process, allowing the average individual to access the inner workings of their representation without hours of frustration and pain. Frankly, this cannot stand.

You win when all enemies of Paperwork have been eliminated and at least one Form is still alive.

Additionally, as a bit of a risky proposition, during the night you may guess who the elimination will be the following day. If you are correct, you will be immune to any nightkills the following night.

Spoiler: Setup 3 - Open

4 Mafia Goon

Mafia Goon

Welcome, [Player Name]. You are a Mafia Goon, along with your partners, [Player Name], [Player Name] and [Player Name].

Abilities:

Daykill: At any time in the game, you may PM the moderator a daykill attempt. If that player is a Mason they will die. If the player is a Townie, the kill backfires and you will suicide.
You have no private channel of communication with your scumteam.

Secret PT:

All members of the Mafia and all Masons have access to a private topic that they may only post in with an alt account provided by the mod. Your account information is:

Username

:

Password

:

The PT will be in the bookmarks of the Alt account. You may not use this account for any purpose other than posting in that thread. You are not required to post in that thread.

Win condition:

You win when you control 50% of the town or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

4 Masons

Town Mason

Welcome, [Player Name], you are a Town Mason, along with your partners, [Player Name], [Player Name] and [Player Name].

Abilities:

You are confirmed town to your partners, and them to you, however you have no private channel of communication.

Secret PT:

All members of the Mafia and all Masons have access to a private topic that they may only post in with an alt account provided by the mod. Your account information is:

Username

:

Password

:

The PT will be in the bookmarks of the Alt account. You may not use this account for any purpose other than posting in that thread. You are not required to post in that thread.

Win condition:

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

5 VTs

Vanilla Townie

Welcome, [Player Name], you are a Vanilla Townie.

Abilities:

If anyone attempts to attack kill you, they will die instead.

Win condition:

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Mechanics
Nightless
Every Mafia player has the ability to send in a private daykill to the mod. If the kill hits a Mason it will succeed, if it hits a Townie, the kill will backfire and the Mafia player will die.
Every Mason and Mafia player is given access to a Secret Alt which they may use to post in the single private thread for the game. They are not required to do so. Only masons and mafia may view this thread, and they may continue to post in it after they die if they so choose.
If both other games are finished, this game will have a deadline of 7 Days. At deadline, the player with most votes will be eliminated. If there is a tie, only the player who was most recently at a higher number of votes than the other tied players will die.

The Rules: Always in Effect

1. Don't be a dick.
2. This is a game for fun. Act like it.
3. Pretending to break a rule IS breaking a rule.
4. Don't PROVABLY quote priveleged information.
5. Try not to allow outside influences to affect the game.
6. Follow Site Rules.
7. If you think it should be against the rules, assume it is.
8. I will change these at any time for the integrity of the game or if I think it will increase the enjoyment of the players.

The Rules: This Game

1. Any vote will count so long as it is for a player living in a game. Voting for a player who is dead in a game will not count as an unvote in that game. You may unvote in all games by using the UNVOTE: tags or voting for VOTE: Unvote. You may vote to not have an elimination in all games by voting VOTE: No Elimination. Bolded votes are also acceptable, but must have 'Vote:' in them. Please do not attempt to make it ambiguous whether you're voting, as I will probably just assume it's a vote. Remember: if it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, it's probably a witch.

2. Players will be required to post once every 36 hours. If you don't post for 36 hours and have not notified me that you are V/LA you will be prodded and have a further 24 hours to post. If a player would be prodded for a fourth time, they will be replaced instead.

3. Please refer to the individual setups for further rules information and Sample Role PMs.

RR is right.

[Amy Dunne]

This site is buggy again. God I hate that. :/

[Amy Dunne]

I don't get how I'm clashing though so and you're also saying meta is trash and using meta in the same breath. Lady played in the last iteration of the triple game so their confusion is meh Imo.

I'm aware lol. On one hand I can see you playing to a town wincon and the other hand it feels like you also have some kind of guidance.

Amy kept bringing up the other game played in this format but idk who else played in it. So that's kind of interesting actually.

Meg, Chloe, Dunn, RR, Cheeky and of course myself.

[Amy Dunne]

I saw meta and got too eager

Look how happy Zuck is to hear that

lmaooo

[Amy Dunne]

I’m completely and entirely lost.

Nothing confusing is happening right now

Yep

So what are you lost about?

I'm just having a hard time interacting with the thread.

Any particular reason?

[Amy Dunne]

RCEnigma has died in the Mini Normal! He was

Spoiler:

Town Jailkeeper.

Vote Count Normal.2.00

Radical Rat (E-6):

Dunnstral (E-6):

Ircher (E-6):

mastina (E-6):

Dwlee99 (E-6):

Amy Dunne (E-6):

T3 (E-6):

House (E-6):

Almost50 (E-6):

CheekyTeeky (E-6):

Lady Chloe (E-6):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (11):

With 11 alive, it takes

6

to murder/death/kill or

6

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-19 06:00:00).

Mini Theme

Night One Continues! All actions are due by: (expired on 2021-12-05 18:00:00)!

I'm not sure why RCE would die.
I didn't get the sense that he was widely tr'ed, but I wasn't really present in the thread so I wouldn't know.

I agree with this, it was definitely a very strange kill.

[Amy Dunne]

No One has died in the Mini Theme!

Vote Count Normal.2.00

T3 (E-4):

Dunnstral, Dwlee99

Dwlee99 (E-5):

CheekyTeeky

Radical Rat (E-6):

Dunnstral (E-6):

Ircher (E-6):

mastina (E-6):

Amy Dunne (E-6):

House (E-6):

Almost50 (E-6):

CheekyTeeky (E-6):

Lady Chloe (E-6):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (11):

With 11 alive, it takes

6

to murder/death/kill or

6

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-19 06:00:00).

Vote Count Theme.2.00

RCEnigma (E-7):

Radical Rat (E-7):

Dunnstral (E-7):

Ircher (E-7):

mastina (E-7):

Amy Dunne (E-7):

T3 (E-7):

House (E-7):

Almost50 (E-7):

CheekyTeeky (E-7):

Lady Chloe (E-7):

Dwlee99 (E-8):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (12):

With 12 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

6

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-12 18:30:00).

You, Sir, are a member of the bourgeoisie. I do not accept your fickle terms of pledging.

I hereby reject your double pledge system.

VOTE: CheekyTeeky - Normal
VOTE: Dwlee - Theme

Didn’t RCE jk Cheeky?

[Amy Dunne]

*pops in*
VOTE: Radical Rat
VOTE: Radical Rat
*pops out*

Why? RR seems really town to me.

[Amy Dunne]

*pops in*
VOTE: Radical Rat
VOTE: Radical Rat
*pops out*

Why place the vote twice if it's on the same player?

Eventhough I think the statistical argument is mostly bs, the odds of any player rolling S - S - S is unlikely but I really don’t understand this vote because of all of the flipped scum in C, RR seems the towniest.

Why is House town again Mastina?