Mini 2251: Triplicate! GAME OVER!

[Amy Dunne]

I still don't completely understand.

How do I vote if I just want RCEnigma limmed in Game 3?

Vote RCEnigma then vote Rat in the same post.

Jingle, why do you have to make this so confusing?

[Lady Chloe]

VOTE: RCEnigma - Game C
VOTE: MegAzumarill - Game A and B

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: RCE
VOTE: House

Like does this matter or do I need to vote RR to lim RCE?

[Lady Chloe]

Wait, that won't work since Mega has not died?

[Lady Chloe]

VOTE: RCEnigma
VOTE: House

Simply because I have not decided on Game A or B yet and there are less votes on House than RR out of the dead Game 3 players.

I resign to mediocrity with an uninspired voting pattern.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Enigma
VOTE: House

[Amy Dunne]

Wait, that won't work since Mega has not died?

I think you need to vote RCE first with someone who’s dead in game C, which are A50, RR, House and obviously not A50 since he’s mason. I just don’t know if it matters at all, which name comes second.

[Dunnstral]

UNVOTE:

He is dead

[Amy Dunne]

BANG! BANG!

Almost 50 has DIED in the Open Game.

He was: A Cheeky Monkey.

Also

Spoiler:

A Mason

BANG! BANG!

Radical Rat has DIED in the Open Game.

He was: A Radical Rat.

Also

Spoiler:

A Mafioso

BANG! BANG!

House has DIED in the Open Game.

He was: Not Wake88.

Also

Spoiler:

A Mafioso

These are all of the dead slots in game C.

[Jingle]

A Hammer In The Morning! A Hammer In The Evening! All Over This Land!

Vote Count Normal.1.05

House (E-4):

Amy Dunne, Lady Chloe, Ircher,

Radical Rat (E-4):

Dwlee99, MegAzumarill, Almost50,

RCEnigma (E-6):

House,

MegAzumarill (E-6):

mastina

Dunnstral (E-6):

RCEnigma

Amy Dunne (E-7):

Almost50 (E-7):

mastina (E-7):

Dwlee99 (E-7):

CheekyTeeky (E-7):

Lady Chloe (E-7):

Ircher (E-7):

T3 (E-7):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (3):

Dunnstral, Everyone Else

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

7

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-14 22:00:00).

Vote Count Mini Theme.1.05

House (E-4):

Amy Dunne, Lady Chloe, Ircher,

Radical Rat (E-4):

Dwlee99, MegAzumarill, Almost50,

RCEnigma (E-6):

House,

MegAzumarill (E-6):

mastina

Dunnstral (E-6):

RCEnigma

Amy Dunne (E-7):

Almost50 (E-7):

mastina (E-7):

Dwlee99 (E-7):

CheekyTeeky (E-7):

Lady Chloe (E-7):

Ircher (E-7):

T3 (E-7):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (3):

Dunnstral, Everyone Else

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

7

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-10 22:00:00).

Vote Count Open.2.FINAL

RCEnigma(E-0):

Dunnstral, Dwlee99, MegAzumarill, Amy Dunne, Lady Chloe, Ircher

Amy Dunne (E-6):

mastina (E-6):

MegAzumarill (E-6):

Dwlee99(E-6):

Dunnstral(E-6):

CheekyTeeky(E-6):

Lady Chloe(E-6):

Ircher(E-6):

T3(E-6):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (6):

Everyone Else

With 10 alive, it takes

6

to murder/death/kill or

5

to choose not to.

RCEnigma has DIED in the Open Game.

He was: Wrapped in an Enigma and Shrouded in Mr. E.

Also

Spoiler:

Vanilla Town

[Jingle]

Vote Count Normal.1.06

House (E-4):

Amy Dunne, Lady Chloe, Ircher,

Radical Rat (E-4):

Dwlee99, MegAzumarill, Almost50,

RCEnigma (E-6):

House,

MegAzumarill (E-6):

mastina

Dunnstral (E-6):

RCEnigma

Amy Dunne (E-7):

Almost50 (E-7):

mastina (E-7):

Dwlee99 (E-7):

CheekyTeeky (E-7):

Lady Chloe (E-7):

Ircher (E-7):

T3 (E-7):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (3):

Dunnstral, Everyone Else

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

7

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-14 22:00:00).

Vote Count Mini Theme.1.06

House (E-4):

Amy Dunne, Lady Chloe, Ircher,

Radical Rat (E-4):

Dwlee99, MegAzumarill, Almost50,

RCEnigma (E-6):

House,

MegAzumarill (E-6):

mastina

Dunnstral (E-6):

RCEnigma

Amy Dunne (E-7):

Almost50 (E-7):

mastina (E-7):

Dwlee99 (E-7):

CheekyTeeky (E-7):

Lady Chloe (E-7):

Ircher (E-7):

T3 (E-7):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (3):

Dunnstral, Everyone Else

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

7

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-10 22:00:00).

Vote Count Open.3.00

Amy Dunne (E-5):

mastina (E-5):

MegAzumarill (E-5):

Dwlee99(E-5):

Dunnstral(E-5):

CheekyTeeky(E-5):

Lady Chloe(E-5):

Ircher(E-5):

T3(E-5):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (9):

Everyone Else

With 9 alive, it takes

5

to murder/death/kill or

5

to choose not to.

[Jingle]

Jingle, why do you have to make this so confusing?

[Almost50]

*Sigh*

So TWO scums were smart enough not to make that mistake. I guess I should retire while I'm ahead, huh?

Later..

[Almost50]

Actually, mastina is smart enough (and it explains why RR said he shot her in public). There's also the fact she didn't vote House when everybody was going for him. In fact I would rather her over Dunn now, but -as I said- I should be sound asleep already, so see you in a few hours (my definition of few is between 8 and 20)

[Amy Dunne]

Actually, mastina is smart enough (and it explains why RR said he shot her in public). There's also the fact she didn't vote House when everybody was going for him. In fact I would rather her over Dunn now, but -as I said- I should be sound asleep already, so see you in a few hours (my definition of few is between 8 and 20)

I don’t know if this is helpful or not. In the last triple setup, I was scum with RR in game A and he never mentioned me but that was a lovers’ game, so probably not very useful.

[Amy Dunne]

Unfortunate, but well, someone had to be first.

I am Mafia in A, Town in B and C.
My approach to this game was to just play as Town for B and C and collateral damage should have wound up killing a lot of the A Town, so except when claiming triple Town, I meant everything I said.

Queen looks very bad to me, Meg is iffy, Dunnstral's play has been weird, but townslip did look genuine to me, so idk there.

Reads are hard in this game with three of them happening, as well as how low content it's been, so I'm sorry I can't offer more.

[Lady Chloe]

The shame disturbed my sleep. Deepest apologies RCEnigma.

[Radical Rat]

I vote you guys speedrun Game 3. The low voting threshold is going to interfere with the other two, unless only the dead people start the wagons

[Amy Dunne]

Actually, mastina is smart enough (and it explains why RR said he shot her in public). There's also the fact she didn't vote House when everybody was going for him. In fact I would rather her over Dunn now, but -as I said- I should be sound asleep already, so see you in a few hours (my definition of few is between 8 and 20)

I don’t know if this is helpful or not. In the last triple setup, I was scum with RR in game A and he never mentioned me but that was a lovers’ game, so probably not very useful.

Actually, I just remembered this from our scum PT, so probably disregard.

Subject: ELSM Mafia A

I think I made a pretty large mistake by omitting you from my final living post, but it doesn't seem like anyone's picked up on that yet, so... Hopefully it stays that way.

[mastina]

I bet t3 rolled scum in all of the games

As I said before, by now, I think that T3 is town in at least 2/3 of the games, if not all three.
You are also on that list of being town in at least 2/3 if not all three.

I believe Lady Chloe/Taly and Almost50 to be town in all three.

Ircher I'm

fairly

sure is scum in at least one--if this were him as town in all three, I'd expect it to be obvious from his play. It's not.

Amy Dunne is a gigantic null, and possible scum in at least one scumgame, but not to the same confidence as Ircher.

Hello

This is scum in at least 1/3 games and might even be 2/3--was my vote for a damn good reason. This is also NOT MegAzumarill as town here.

Ego

Cheeky might be scum in at least one game but it's hard to say for sure--I rate her at about Amy Dunne levels of gigantic null, in that I have other scumreads that are stronger (Ircher, MegAzumarill, and RCEnigma are all on the top of that list), so not a top priority, but not a town-in-all-three-games read. There is an asterisk to CheekyTeeky tho, but I don't want to elaborate right now.

I still understand nothing. Expect no change in that regard.

I genuinely don't think that RCEnigma is town in all three games. He's definitely scum in at least one, maybe even two. If I wasn't voting MegAzumarill, I'd be voting RCE.

Reading more of Amy Dunne's posts, I do get the impression of "scum in at least one game", but not to the extent of Ircher, MegAzumarill, and RCEnigma.

So, across all three games, my page two* readslist looks something like:

*(not truly page two as this does take some of my knowledge from future pages into account while I was phoneposting)

Almost50
Lady Chloe

Dwlee99
T3

CheekyTeeky (yes this is null, I only have four townreads, but, well, given the game's mechanics, I legit think that we probably have ~6-8 scum so like, do the math; I am town in all and if there's 8 players who're scum in at least one game, that leaves only 4 other players who'd be town in all games, so in the case of this game, ~4 townreads is actually

precisely

the spot I

want

to be at)

Dunnstral
Amy Dunne
Radical Rat
House

Ircher
RCEnigma
MegAzumarill

Approximately.

[mastina]

@A50, why are you so certain that scum are in Dunn, RR and RCE? How can you determine three scum without any flips?

Okay so Amy Dunne's definitely a scum in a game.

VOTE: Amy Dunne

For the record, I currently get the vibe that House is town in 2/3 games--not quite as town as T3 or Dwlee because I think there's a very real chance that Almost50's theory had merit to it and he's scum in the third, but I legit think that if he flips scum in one game, he's town in both the others and would basically be a hard-clear.

(I should mention that I legit think that Ircher, RCE, and Meg have a very high chance of actually being scum in

multiple

games. Probably 2/3 but I legit think that they're scum in

at least

one game.)

So like:
Almost50
Lady Chloe

Dwlee99
T3
House*

CheekyTeeky (yes this is null, I only have four+* townreads, but, well, given the game's mechanics, I legit think that we probably have ~6-8 scum so like, do the math; I am town in all and if there's 8 players who're scum in at least one game, that leaves only 4 other players who'd be town in all games, so in the case of this game, ~4 townreads is actually precisely the spot I want to be at)

Dunnstral
Radical Rat
House*

Amy Dunne

Ircher
RCEnigma
MegAzumarill

[mastina]

This setup is gonna do my head in.

For the record:
I point you to a post like this for proof that RCE is

not

town in all three games. If you are town in all three of your games, then the game's not hard to wrap your head around. You're scumhunting just like normal and as you know yourself to be town in all of them, you play to your town wincon of trying to eliminate the scum.

It's

only

when you have

scum

that the game becomes more complicated. It's only when you have different alignments in your games that it becomes more of a headache in the way RCE is describing.

That, aside from how a fully-town RCE never makes a post like this in the first place.

You rolled scum, didn't you?

This is also not a town response from Ircher.

There's a

damn

good reason that my vote pool is {RCE, Ircher, MegAzumarill} and that's because I legit think that those three are all scum in

at least

one game, and that of the players in the game, they are the ones with the highest chances of actually being scum in

more

than one game.

[mastina]

Mastina, may we delight ourselves with tea and lemon cakes this evening?

I mean, if this is code for a PR, there's some that are good to target me with and some that are terrible to target me with, so depends on the nature of what tea and lemon cakes is. I'll say that, for instance: any form of Neighborizer would be S++ targeting me in either of the games with PRs for ~reasons~.

I am less concerned about your read on me and more concerned about your read on Meg who had only one post when you posted that. I find it hard to believe that one post would be so indicative of scum. @mastina

From MegAzumarill and especially given the setup?

It was.

You've also played with me before so like--why is me having a strong read off of a player's at-the-time single post something groundbreaking to you? It's not something which you saw from me when I was scum; that's something which, as far as I know, you've only seen from me as town. (Admittedly, it's explicitly null, butstill.)

Plus, Meg has since posted more than once, and Meg's posts since the first post have only strengthened my "scum in at least one game if not multiple" read there.

[mastina]

I'm trying to decide whether meta is amazing or completely useless in this game.

Meta will help you identify players that are town in all three games;
Meta will help you identify players that are scum in at least one game;
Meta will help you read a player after they flip scum in one game to see if they're still scum in others;

Overall, I'd say that meta is going to be really damn strong here, yes.

[mastina]

BTW right now, I think that A50 and Lady Chloe. (Taly) are town in all three games.

I don't get it. Why am I Town in the other 2 games? I haven't even started playing in either (I mean, theoretically I am playing in all three, but practically I've been only focused on Game 3 and haven't posted anything AI regarding the other 2).

Well, basically: precisely because you haven't even started playing in the other two.

That, plus your posts before you outed yourself as a mason in the third game--you started playing in 40 but I was townreading you even

before

post 40. Your way of playing the game tho fits with a player who has the same alignment in all three games. The way you went about it, I just don't see how you could be scum in either of the other two games.

Also, why aren't you voting one of the 4 scums of game 3?

I only have one vote--for 6-8 slots that have scum in them.

I can

maybe

get two votes going, situation depending, based on a desynch between the games. Maybe even three! But at the time I was voting, every slot was alive in every game--meaning that at the time of my vote, I only had one vote.

What IS the plan here?

Kill all the scum in all the games, get a triple town win.

168 is literally a scum claim.

I actually disagree--there's nothing in 168 which makes it a scumclaim from RCEnigma.

Now

113

, on the other hand.
THAT post, THAT is a scumclaim from RCEnigma.

So the read's right, I just think you called the wrong post a scumclaim.