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[NorwegianboyEE]

Sometimes my mind is a jumbled mess, and asking questions make me more focused on what we are doing in this game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I didn't think it would be offensive to anyone.

[NorwegianboyEE]

like, is there any reason I shouldn't hammer here? idk if I'm missing something else, you have 4 minutes before I vote T3

Well according to A50 he wants to eliminate an mafia PR instead, because he is convinced T3 is just a goon.

[NorwegianboyEE]

But do you mind if I sometimes quote my previous answers instead of typing new ones then?

It's still an answer.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Trying to consider worst case scenario here.

If T3 is town, then that means he decided to fake claim an protective PR with 3 shots... as an VT. When he was put to E-1 and at close threat to elimination.
And then when April claimed simple doctor, everyone was questioning if it made sense for there to be two protective roles and their synergy together, and T3 then instead of outing and helping town understand that he was just an VT. Simply stayed quiet and did nothing to help us.
And then when outed by Enchant to have been protected by an doctor and that he didn't target anyone he now finally claims VT.

...Yeah, just kill it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Where is Geraint btw? I feel like his last post was days ago.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sorry, staying at SiL's this weekend so less time to post.

I am more than happy to have T3 on the block. I confess I found their claim suspicious initially, but everyone else thought it was fine so I went with everyone else.
But, my main reason for not believing the claim was a total misunderstanding of the wiki - I thought it was a one shot ability for a normal game and claiming 3 shot made it mot possible. I am an idiot.

Oh nvm.

[NorwegianboyEE]

tf was that kill.
Ok so we have Enchant alive as conf!town.

I suggest we kill Andante today, cus they were pretty scummy and i don't buy that: "huh? T3 was guiltied scum? I didn't read anything!! Sounds like killing him is a good idea tho?!" reaction.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Andante

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mafia cop means there's very possibly a traitor?

I've never played in a traitor setup.
Is that a typical thing?

[NorwegianboyEE]

He wasn't a goon tho, so it looks like A50 was wrong there.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This is probably the first game where i've managed to identify town!Flavour.
His towngame is pretty scummy tbh.

[NorwegianboyEE]

How to be superior as the scum allignment= Just always play like scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That was an Hella Jeff move.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't feel like we need an mass claim right now.
Not that i'm strongly opposed, but don't see the point when we just limmed a scum. The stakes don't feel that high.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Seems legit.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So Dwlee and Enchant are both super cleared then? Since Enchant saw that someone used an protective action, and now we have them accounted for.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Who did the announcing role cop check again? A50 on night 1 and Dwlee on night 2?
Seems a bit townsided? Because mafia will likely never target one of their town using the role cop (unless this is an traitor game as theorized by other players).
I feel like A50 and Dwlee are almost certainly confirmed not scum with T3 assuming the announcing role cop is with the main mafia team.

[NorwegianboyEE]

will likely never target one of their town

one of their own*

[NorwegianboyEE]

It was Dwlee on night 1?

[NorwegianboyEE]

A50 should claim imo because scum already know his role. I don't think the role cop is town, it actually fits into the setup well as a scum role similar to opposum mafia which had an announcing role that could also try to find the traitor

If rolecop is scum why you still breath huh

Ok so that by itself would be a bit sus, but i think they are townie by play so don't really care about that right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

...I'm not able to follow this discussion at all.

I'm just gonna say that i think Andante is scum cus they play like scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Either way it's time i think.

I targeted Andante.
No actions from her.
No actions on her.

Pretty boring.

As there is likely 2 mafia still alive i don't think it's town indicative.
Unfortunate you outed though, i think a better play would be to wait for an Andante to claim after getting enough votes, and verifying whatever their claim is with your confirmed hard information.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You know... like you could have done with T3.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't really care much for traitor speculation tbh, i just look for our enemies. Be they mafia or traitor, all the same to me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Don't you just hate it when you're trying to ctrl f something in a users ISO, but they have that word in their signature so you get a million results when you just wanted to see a couple.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This was made for myself to keep track, but it's also useful to share so here.

Enchant - Combined Voyeur-Follower (D1:

T3

No action taken/Protective action received, D2: Andante No action taken/No action received)
Dwlee99 - Roaming doctor (D1:

T3

, D2: No action)
Almost50 - VT
Andante - ??
geraintm - ??
osuka - ??

NorwegianboyEE

- ??
Hella Jeff - ??
Something_Smart - ??

^Loud rolecop (D1: Dwlee, D2: Almost50)

Holiday

Eliminated

(

Vanilla Townie

)

Tracer Bullet

Killed

(

Vanilla Townie

)

T3

Eliminated

(

Mafia Even-Night Cop

)

April Ludgate

Killed

(

Simple Doctor

)

[NorwegianboyEE]

tf was that kill.
Ok so we have Enchant alive as conf!town.

I suggest we kill Andante today, cus they were pretty scummy and i don't buy that: "huh? T3 was guiltied scum? I didn't read anything!! Sounds like killing him is a good idea tho?!" reaction.

refresh my memory - how does april flipping town doctor make enchant conftown?

Do you disagree?

[NorwegianboyEE]

My reasoning is based on a lot of small things.
Like interactions i doubt they would have with T3 if they were partners.
And the way Enchant has played combined with the knowledge of their role, and etc.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Could go in greater detail if it’s needed. But i don’t see the point unless it becomes necessary.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And then the game died.
The end.

[NorwegianboyEE]

norwee was especially uncharitable to T3 in the early game

T3 was always scummy.
His claim just bought him time.

[NorwegianboyEE]

They had a moment where they solved, but then they went right back to their old antics of scummy cruising.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I have reasons to more or less townread every slot except for Andante and Osuka.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Actually i don't townread S_S, but i'm trusting Flavour on that one.
If it's wrong, then blame him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Not as convinced on Osuka as i am Andante though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You remind me of Pooky.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm paranoid now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What trick?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Dwlee is so unemotional and practical.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Dwlee is so unemotional and practical.

Do you think I'm scum?

Why wouød i think ur scum.
I’m thinking your play is townie and based.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VS the cringe Andante.

[NorwegianboyEE]

(Disclaimer. Memeing at scum is not the same as making fun of an actual player in real life. I’m sure Andante is a very nice person to play with and get to know. But only if they are town, which they likely aren’t here.)

[NorwegianboyEE]

Typically unemotional and practical would signify scumread

Scum usually are more emotive and AtE’ing in my experience.
Take a look at Andantes: "Norwee is pushing lurker slots!" argument for example.
It’s basically an designed argument that tries to appeal to peoples emotions in an cheap way, by villainizing the actions of an town that is hunting for scum as the actions of an evil scumlord that is hunting for easy mislims.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t think i’m projecting though, my point is that Andante’s arguments so far have been fake and artificial, while Dwlee is just speaking from the heart.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway, vote them or wait for them to show up.
I’m gonna go into a state of dormancy until anything new happens.
Zzz

[NorwegianboyEE]

why would you die? I highly doubt you’re a nightkill lol

Why isn't he?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Geraint have you actually caught scum before doing this?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Andante is cute.

I AM CHARMED.
Either way.

I am not.

Kill them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Andante, are you afraid to talk to me?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Is the plan to just claim miller and do nothing else?

Correct!

So like hypothetically speaking, If I was a cop, I should check you yes?

Omg
The role cop visit paired with this post

What does this even mean?
I keep coming back to this and i have no idea.

[NorwegianboyEE]

and you all KNOW how much I hate the word "feel" in scumhunting

I feel you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That explains the huge amount of pressure you've been getting for it.

Ah ahah.

[NorwegianboyEE]

S_S made a funny

[NorwegianboyEE]

Andante do you scumread me or townread me.
I feel like you’re trying really hard to sidestep me and treat me like a piece of furniture.

[NorwegianboyEE]

yall tr norwee over me? lmao

Is making jokes scummy?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't even think people voting me believe I'm scum tbh

I don’t have a scumread on anyone else.
Like sure, you’re the lowest on the pecking order. You don’t have much going for your slot other than *cute* and <GOOD VIBES>™, but i don’t really have an actually

good

reason to believe that you couldn’t just be scum. Y’know what i’m sayin?

Now i ain’t sayin i’m shakespeare but i’m truing to run an respectful scum hunting business. And things are going by the book so i don’t really understand what with the whining and complaining.
If you have an better idea of a good elimination then you’re going to have to sell it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

FL could have been scum too. That’s why i did the whole stunt earlier to see if he’d towntell for real and stop the annoying pockety nagging.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You don’t have much going for your slot other than *cute* and <GOOD VIBES>™

...and an exonerating result that could possibly be a true inno?

Ah that is true.

[NorwegianboyEE]

He prob could, but i don’t scumread Geraint.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m voting, are you?

[NorwegianboyEE]

>( '.)

Your fish is right here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

tbh this might just be a simple solve of gerain and osuka

VOTE: Gerain [/vote ]

oMg uR pUsHiNg wEaK pEoPlE

None of them are even online.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The game is dead because only 4 out of 9 people are voting.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Enchant - Combined Voyeur-Follower (D1:

T3

No action taken/Protective action received, D2: Andante No action taken/No action received)
Dwlee99 - Roaming doctor (D1:

T3

, D2: No action)
Almost50 - VT
Andante - VT
geraintm - VT
osuka - ??

NorwegianboyEE

- ??
Hella Jeff - ??
Something_Smart - ??

^Loud rolecop (D1: Dwlee, D2: Almost50)

[NorwegianboyEE]

Do we just massclaim at this point?

Fine by me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

We lim between osuka and Geraintm today

If i could only choose between these two i would kill Osuka.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why is Geraint a good choice?

[NorwegianboyEE]

He almost never does.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think i've mislimmed him in like 2 games so far where i was scum.
He's an really easy lim precisely for that reason.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Osuka is better cus i think there should be a bit more fire there if he was town, so i could see it flipping scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think Geraint is genuinely trying though, cus some of his posts are good coming from him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I never signed the non-meta geneva convention.
I can fight dirty.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why are people now trusting Andante?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah, I’m just paranoid, i feel. I’m gonna trust it, and then die before it matters anyways.

T3, Andante with one of Dwlee, Osuka makes sense, and I generally want to believe Dwlee is town, but covering the bases

you sr osuka for not talking? interesting

They were like^

And now they're like:

tbh this might just be a simple solve of gerain and osuka

VOTE: Gerain [/vote ]

[NorwegianboyEE]

Osuka is better cus i think there should be a bit more fire there if he was town, so i could see it flipping scum.

give up trying to read me

No.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think Andante could be scum with someone that is not Osuka/Geraint if they are scum here, and someone in the more trusted slots are trying to lead us away from that lim.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Osuka is better cus i think there should be a bit more fire there if he was town, so i could see it flipping scum.

give up trying to read me

No.

you clearly can't do it so i'm just giving you friendly advice. your effort is obviously better spent elsewhere, unless you're scum in which case good job swaying everyone else with a zero-effort post

What zero effort post?

[NorwegianboyEE]

It wasn't a zero effort post from my POV, but ok.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm usually the player that puts in the most effort in any game i play.
Doesn't mean i'm necesarilly more correct than anyone else, but i don't like being told i don't put in effort. :/

[NorwegianboyEE]

i'll be honest i don't think it's worth defending that post norwee
i enjoy your effort but posts like that make me wonder if it's worth leaving you out of the POE and getting snowed by you >:)

Thinking off the scenes and making a short and concise post explaining current thoughts -> Making a huge post quoting 10 posts to explain why i’m currently thinking what i am.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can both of them claim

I'm vt. I would have e thought that obvious

If you're VT why aren't you trying to idk be townie and draw a kill

Draw a kill? You mean deliberately get myself voted off today instead of scum?

These sorts of posts make me feel bad for defending you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

BIG questions. i want something going that isn't another Holiday elimination and i've got a weekend 2 do it

Does that mean me or what?
Your questioning feels ominous.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The most scared i am in this game.

Is the thought of how bad we’d be screwed if Jeff is scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

andante's posts just don't feel believable

Which ones, and why? You have thoughts on Andante but you seem reticent to share them, but I think that Andante is a topic of discussion right now and your input would be best put to use now.

it's a general vibe
like andante is scum trying really hrd to be excited

Is this bussing aaaaah.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Reading T3’s ISO i feel like T3 might be pushing Andante for real.
And i hate that thought because it doesn’t confirm my already pre-existing bias that Andante must be scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Geraint just reads to me like an exact clone of their towngames, and they don’t seem like the type that would be good at copying it as scum.
So it’s an tone/meta thing.

i'm p sure scum gera is like this too.

Is this some kind of TMI?

[NorwegianboyEE]

idk andante's meta, I just know T3 reacted to me and andante the same way and I think T3's reaction to me was scum dodging giving a stance, and I feel like the execution of that would be different on a townie vs a scum partner, so the matching execution is town indicative for andante

Ehhh, which posts were these?

the post where gamma says can i just have fun
then you call it towny and try to argue people out of it
if you were koba, which i thought you might be, then that sequence makes you/gamma decent s/s
i decided to pry further into it by asking the question about the alt
you then promptly altslipled

I was about to say this probably points to Gamma being town, and i was eager to see who their replacement was. But then i realized it was Tracer and they’re already dead.

[NorwegianboyEE]

like the whole thing just fucking smells. in fairness, i do agree that andante went off the rails way too quickly even for andante, but that's probably close enough to what i've seen that i can imagine this being scum or town andante just having a stroke a little bit too early

Paulas’s points about andante probably come from town. I don’t see scum hard defending such a weird slot.

Calling a slot "weird" seems kinda to me like it could be townie?
If Andante was T3 partner would they point out that Andante is "weird"? Or would they get that feeling in the first place?
Gut tells me no.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The whole sequence of posts around 407 from T3 feel to me like some kind of defense attempt towards a slot they know is town.
As in i think T3 is butting in an T+T argument and trying to incite the situation.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I've caught up, but I'm having a hard time getting a grasp on this game right now.

T3 feels very... invasive, in his posts, like a pest. Burrowing into things and trying to undermine rather than doing anything that's meaningful. I could cherrypick from his ISO but I think some people have already pointed this out so hopefully this point is understood without context. "Bad vibes" in a nutshell.

Aza has written up the thoughts I have about Andante pretty well, at this point: the enthusiasm and energy is there but the actual content/logic being applied falls flat, and while it's hard to express why a scum player would make the points Andante has if you're applying it to a player with more experience... Andante lacks it, and thus is going to say things that are clunky as they learn what does and doesn't work. She's fallen away a bit too but it's not been that long, but perhaps the initial spurt of posting not being met with enthusiasm/picked at almost immediately soured her to posting for fear of making it worse.

Associated with this, if Andante is scum, osuka's interactions with/around her feel... weird to me. The aggression in 278 was offputting to me, and while osuka is apparently just like that as a player, it doesn't ring right when it's followed up with small defenses/an overall unease around her wagon without offering up a meaningful way of directing that suspicion. It's just there as a defense, and I wonder even if osuka could be scum without Andante being scum too and it's just an average white knight defense.

...not sold on this, though, because I thought Norwee was being wishywashy about osuka when they were speaking with one another which doesn't make sense if osuka is scum and then Norwee is also scum, but they're both a little strange to me so far. Between the two of them Norwee's townier but there are those little moments.

I'm going to wait for an updated vote count, but Andante/osuka hold my attention most right now.

Interesting.
People said the exact same thing about me last game. But I was scum.

This post is funny in hindsight.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Osuka (3) Andante, Almost50, geraintm [E-2]
geraintm (2) Something_Smart, Dwlee99

VOTE: Geraintm
^Lol when thinking i just said: "i tend to eliminate Geraintm as scum".
But seriously, i now think this is an decent vote for the time being, for multiple reasons.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Cause skimming T3, it's just "meta this, meta that" "town post" "vibes" for someone with almost 100 posts, I want actual content...

but I have a real strong suspicion the only "content" in 600 posts is "OMG ANDANTE HAS TO BE SCUM!!"

Do you have any other reads to talk about?

No cause there is literally nothing of significance. I still sr T3, like I did at the start, I saw April tried to explain the townyness or something, but I don't see it, and everyone else has been coasting/chilling and kinda joining the push on me for 0 reason.

Dwlee has provided

much less

content than I have.
This post just doesn't come in good faith and Andante/Dwlee might be s/s together.

This reads dirty.
I hope it was worth spending 1 hour and 16 minutes ISO’ing T3 again.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh yeah, I should probably mention this at some point.

In almost every game I've played with scum-April:
- I have caught either him or one or more of his teammates (usually based on something he did)
- He has killed me
- He has gone on to win anyway

If 1 & 2 happen please don't let 3 happen.

Town

Probably correct, but said by scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I am a 3-shot bodyguard. In my first few posts I referred to myself in the third person three times, and then talked about blundering my queen in chess. In that game, my queen was pinned to my king (my queen dying so my king could be saved).

Who trained them to do this crumb?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok i see your point.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Osuka (3) Andante, Almost50, geraintm [E-2]
geraintm (2) Something_Smart, Dwlee99

VOTE: Geraintm
^Lol when thinking i just said: "i tend to eliminate Geraintm as scum".
But seriously, i now think this is an decent vote for the time being, for multiple reasons.

what in t3's iso changed your mind as far as voting gerain instead of me?

Not just that, but wagon competition. If i vote you i flip the scale heavily in Geraints favour.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Osuka (3) Andante, Almost50, geraintm [E-2]
geraintm (2) Something_Smart, Dwlee99
Andante (1) NorwegianBoyEE


Not Voting (4): Andante, osuka, Enchant, Hella Jeff

Oh i just noticed Andante is twice here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

After looking through T3 i feel like S_S is town for sure. Not just "oh i guess April thinks they town" read.
I wish i could say i townread Jeff stronger, but i’m kinda just having them as light town squinty eyes read still.
Andante seems to be spewed town from the way T3 interacted with them, so i guess i’ll admit my read there was probably wrong.
I still trust Dwlee based on what i saw, even though they were checked by an likely scum announcing rolecop as an doctor and didn’t die the following night.
Enchant is town from claim.
So i just need to be more certain about the remaining slots.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It feels like a bunch of you just want someone else to solve the game for you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If that is the case then we’re still left with the same PoE as Osuka/Geraint.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Look Jeff.
Nobody here actually knows what they are doing, except the mafia.

So just pretend you do, like everyone else.

[NorwegianboyEE]

EXCITEMENT.

A theory i have, Tracer Bullet and Flavour both are strong-minded individuals that would make pushes on slots like they mean it. What if scums goal was to remove all of the players that are poised to challenge them and leave us with the players that don’t do much?

[NorwegianboyEE]

But the promised vote didn't come.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh i didn't say it did i.

Congrats Osuka.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Only people haven't claimed yet is me, Jeff and S_S btw.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Here's an thinking exercise.
I'm gonna pretend that Osuka and Geraint were magically confirmed town right this instant, where would i vote now?

Well first of all i would consider if Dwlee's claim is bullshit. And then second i would ask myself if Jeff and A50 are trustworthy. I think the slots i'd still trust would be probably S_S and Enchant. Especially Enchant.

If everyone else could say where they think scum would be that'd be appreciated.

[NorwegianboyEE]

But the promised vote didn't come.

y egging me on?

You did say you would no?

[NorwegianboyEE]

i'd be voting norwee because there's no way in hell that aprilwagon doesn't have any scum in it

This is a bad mindset.
Since the wagons were TvT it makes no difference where scum would be voting.
In fact it’s probably smarter to vote Holiday and be like: "hey look, i didn’t vote the PR!"

[NorwegianboyEE]

Fuck it, i’n going here.
VOTE: Hello Jeff

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Hella Jeff
*

[NorwegianboyEE]

How convinced are you on Osuka flipping scum… Jeff?

[NorwegianboyEE]

nope nope nope
it's a simple doctor on the line
you NEED it to happen so that you have more freedom in your nightkills
and scum doesn't do it. why?
what's more worth it than killing a simple doc

Ok. Then why kill Tracer on night 1?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Limming April would also out T3.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Which actually makes it more likely scum voted Holiday by your logic.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The mechanics doesn’t change based on it being an nightkill or elimination.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If Killing April was so important then it doesn’t make sense that T3 kept their vote on Holiday in the day 1 wagon and that April didn’t die on night 1. T3 obviously wanted to keep April as insurance to show that their claims worked in tandem. And only when Enchant confirmed another protective did that plan fall in ruin. The plan was to prob endgame with April, which means that saying scum was likely on April wagon by the end of day 1 is most likely wrong and it seems a bit scummy for Jeff to bring that up as an argument.
Geraint, Osuka and me all joined quite late too.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Day 1 Final Vote Count:

Holiday (7) April Ludgate, Almost50, Dwlee99, T3, Something_Smart, Enchant, Hella Jeff [Hammer]
April Ludgate (6) Holiday, Andante, Tracer.Bullet, osuka, geraintm, NorwegianBoyEE

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[NorwegianboyEE]

How pog would it be if Jeff voted Holiday at the end of day 1. (despite "townreading them") to keep T3 alive by courtesy of an pocketed Flavour that would be more useful to them alive than dead. Until Enchants follow onto T3 ruined everything.

[NorwegianboyEE]

as scum, they had to replicate his situation so that he wasn't outted from anything

What?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwee/Jeff scum theater going on right now? refusing to talk to me....

I think both me and Jeff would agree this was an dumb comment.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwee/Jeff scum theater going on right now? refusing to talk to me....

I think both me and Jeff would agree this was an dumb comment.

well the 2 of yall are ignoring me, and it's making me sad. this thread has been so dead, and I kinda just wanna work on a solve, cause Osuka is just a "sure I'll vote there" vote. nothing has been happening!!!

Heres the thing.
I would be very happy if either of Osuka/Geraint is or both are scum.
But their play barely swings one way or the other, and their only meek complaint being: "i’ve done nothing to deserve this" also gives me fuckall to work with.
So here i am in this cursed game that doesn’t have scumtells trying to figure out if shifty Jeff actually is trustworthy or just setting up traps for later assuming Osuka or Geraint flips town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Basically we have 50 slots that are close to dead null during a part of the game where things really should start being more clear to understand. Because A50 felt like posting just memes, S_S is a wandering ghost, Enchant is tired and doesn’t have opinions, Jeff waits until the last second just to reveal that he doesn’t have a face… or any opinions. You Andante is trying but it’s just not good enough, Geraint has given up a long time ago, and Osuka is like an passive aggressive youtube commenter that shows up every 3 days for an intensive debate before leaving.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Basically Pooky is scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Basically Jeff is scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think this is Pooky.
And he’s scummy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

ooohhhhh I've figured it out!!! the secret!!! ayyyy!! but uhh jeff is pretty funny so I'm not voting jeff today

Just because a killer clown makes you laugh doesn’t mean you shouldn’t call the police on him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Andante i was on the brinks of insanity but i think i’m finally on to something.
Check out my previous game with Pooks where i caught him instantly.
It went a bit slower here because of the secret alt, but i think it’s him and he’s masterminding.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Open 831

[NorwegianboyEE]

They could be not Pooky and still scummy. That is true.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Jeff is pretty cool, can live at least 1 more day!!!

[NorwegianboyEE]

A50 only tries to be funny, Jeff is funny and gives content, so I really think you 2 should not vote jeff, and should vote A50

Don’t make the boomer feel bad, come on now…

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hey A50. I loved your "why did the chicken cross the road" joke. And that one about the Nazi and US soldier that walked into a bar.
Hehe, classics.
You’ve still got it old chum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

A50 only tries to be funny, Jeff is funny and gives content, so I really think you 2 should not vote jeff, and should vote A50

Don’t make the boomer feel bad, come on now…

Ok, well I'll be sad if Jeff gets voted out here, we gotta keep jeff!!!! Pleaseeee

I ONLY FEEL SAD.
IF HE’S TOWN!

[NorwegianboyEE]

The virgin Mary.

[NorwegianboyEE]

A50 seems uninformed imo

How so?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Not Voting (2): osuka, Enchant,

Why are you two not voting.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i've had an epiphany overnight.

What then?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think I'd most like to see Gera gone today

I'm pretty unimpressed with his analysis and general effort levels

VOTE: Gera

I’m unimpressed with a lot of players heres analyzis and effort levels.

[NorwegianboyEE]

When is it ready?
In a couple hours?
5 minutes before deadline?
The next day?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Gee, i it sure is nice of you to solve only when it seems like you might be threatened and can’t just coast.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Day 1 Final Vote Count:

Holiday

(7)

April Ludgate

,

Almost50

,

Dwlee99

,

T3

,

Something_Smart

,

Enchant

, Hella Jeff [Hammer]

April Ludgate

(6)

Holiday

, Andante,

Tracer.Bullet

, osuka,

geraintm

,

NorwegianBoyEE

Here's where I'm at I think

I agree with Andante that A50 shouldn’t be green.
And pre-emptively painting Geraint red is not good mapping. Make em white until an flip.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I have a gut feeling that despite Geraint and Osuka not really looking townie in the slightest, we’d be more likely to hit scum in Jeff/A50

[NorwegianboyEE]

Just something about wagons in an lacking gamestate peobably always swinging on town. And an general lack of urgency from anyone about the current Geraint/Osuka lineup.
Unless it’s exactly Scum/Scum it seems unlikely to be like that. And i think an T3/Geraint/Osuka team feels really unlikely. T3 had more motivated and smarter teammates behind him, and Geraint/Osuka don’t feel super motivated at all.
So an sleeper cell team that includes any of say A50/Jeff or even freaking S_S feels like it could be plausible right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I say we get A50 here

Fine.
VOTE: A50

[NorwegianboyEE]

But Gera worse

Just saying.
You’ve been so uninspiring in this game.
Where is your confidence coming from? You were wrong on Holiday and pushed him for the worst reasons and now you’re just like… on an monoral to get Geraint.
I’d understand it if you just didn’t have any better idea… but you paint him red like you’re so certain he flips scum and… it’s not exactly the sort of push i feel is the "winning move".

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ah yes, spite.

That which leads town to victory in any game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Maybe it's time for me to out my real solve:

T3, NorwegianBoyEE, Hella Jeff
NorwegianBoyEE, T3, osuka
osuka, geraintm, T3

One of these is true. End of.

Lmao.
In what world have i been playing like i’m alligned?
The fact that i’m even in this is laughable.

[NorwegianboyEE]

NorwegianBoyEE, T3, osuka

DING DING DING DING DING DING

"You lost the million dollar question.
Better luck next time!"

[NorwegianboyEE]

Andante do you want to vote Jeff now?

[NorwegianboyEE]

NorwegianBoyEE, T3, osuka

DING DING DING DING DING DING

I have been voting osuka all day. How come you didn't join me if you think he's scum?

norwee egging me on to hammer osuka despite voting geraint urked me and got me into this scuffle in the first place

I never egged you to vote Osuka.
I reminded you that you said you would vote, so i wanted to know if it was true or if you would do nothing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You never said you would vote Osuka.
I never said you would Osuka.

Why are you saying i was egging you to vote Osuka?

[NorwegianboyEE]

But like.
Nothing i did there was in any way scummy.
You could just say "actually i wouldn’t vote now. I just pretended i would."
My comment was even made slightly in jest, basically asking if you would truly hold your word.
After all it was your words that you would "vote today", not mine.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If Osuka is scum he’s basically dead weight.
I’m not scum. Who is Osuka’s teammate then A50?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Keep in mind. I buss dead weight teammates like there is no tommorow when i am mafia.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I feel like the teammate in that theorem could be Jeff for the way they’re trying to tie me to Osuka being scum, while not voting Osuka themselves.
Probably the scummiest thing they’ve done so far.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Jeff

[NorwegianboyEE]

It feels to me imperative that we get the stronger scum players first.
If Osuka or Geraint is scum then it’s whatever.

[NorwegianboyEE]

But like.
Nothing i did there was in any way scummy.
You could just say "actually i wouldn’t vote now. I just pretended i would."
My comment was even made slightly in jest, basically asking if you would truly hold your word.
After all it was your words that you would "vote today", not mine.

asking me to make hasty decisions is scummy yes,
if you claim that you didn't even know that i had osuka as my biggest scum candidate, then from your POV you should think that i've done absolutely nothing and i'm going to use that knowledge of nothing to place a vote.
this puts you in even deeper of a hole, no matter how much you claim that you aren't trying to influence my actions
i think your treatment of me is kinda lol

Not even gonna bother responding to this garbage.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Keep in mind. I buss dead weight teammates like there is no tommorow when i am mafia.

T3 (5) Dwlee99, osuka, Hella Jeff, NorwegianboyEE, Gamma Emerald [E-2]

T3 (6) Dwlee99, Something_Smart, NorwegianBoyEE, Almost50, Andante, April Ludgate [Hammer]

Please keep going so i can demolish the argument you’re going for here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

norwee you wanna bus osuka with me

If you wanna.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I can play your game for a bit.
VOTE: Osuka

[NorwegianboyEE]

If Osuka flips town i’m tunneling Jeff tommorow.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Just saying that now in case i get killed.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Jeff already told me in scum PT who he is.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Not telling tho.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This was all part of the plan to finally get A50 to vote Jeff.

[NorwegianboyEE]

part of me is still thinking this is norwee and jeff scum putting on a show again lol

You don't say! That's my 1st team proposition

Like, I had the thought yesterday, now it's a different conversation, and the exact same thought, so it has to be right!!

VOTE: Norwee

Andante didn’t you just say i’m more funny than Jeff.
So why he got the funny pass but not me?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why do i always end up as an suspect when i have like 500 posts and i’ve never been scum with that level of commitment like ever.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why do i always end up as an suspect when i have like 500 posts and i’ve never been scum with that level of commitment like ever.

gonna use my mysterious alt identity to say that after skimming through a few of your more recent games i've seen comments that your scumgame was "better"? to which extent, i don't know, but knowing that someone is actively improving always gets me wary

As in i don’t say anything that get’s me sussed.
Which would mean i should be a townread of all town by now if i was scum.
But as town i focus more on solving so i do controversisl things that get me scumread.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like it would be soo easy to be scum here.

Just say something like: "Kill Geraint/Osuka. What are we waiting for lol" and go take a piss.
Instead of creating this whole situation that has already made me spend way more effort.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Honestly i envy the scum in this game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah because it felt way too easy for it to just be Geraint Osuka.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You’re telling me both scum just sitting there and repeating "they don’t understand" while nothing ever happens.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I voted them because i expected to see more desperation if they were mafia.

[NorwegianboyEE]

one look at votecounts shows that it very likely isn't geraint/osuka so we're fine in that department
i believe the same thing u do

If you think i’m scum then you don’t believe the same thing i do.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hmm should i go for it?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Eh, i'm going for it.
VOTE: Jeff
SORRY IF YOU TOWN

[NorwegianboyEE]

Fivehead

Why not target... osuka? Or gerain?

I considered it was blatant choice. Mafia can chooce who will NK and i expected it to someone trustworthy.

I actually had choice between Norwee/SS/Almost.

SS was obviously the role cop dude ahhh

How was he "obviously" the role cop?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Remaining people should claim btw

I'm VT.
Bing bang exciting.

[NorwegianboyEE]

"why can't the role cop be town"
"Why are we assuming role cop is mafia"

That + SS was obviously town and one of three unclaimed people

Eh i guess.
Didn't really pay attention to that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Didn't we assume the role cop was likely mafia? What does this imply, i need to use my brain when i'm done catching up. FUCK.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I didn't even cared to catch Role Cop i wanted catch NK performer and it's fucking bullshit, i quess i die anyway.

Did you target S_S? Why didn't you target in Osuka/Geraint.
It's obvious that scum will think you're gonna try to outsmart them by tracking outside of them, so if scum is in Osuka/Geraint. They're gonna perform the kill.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ohh A50 is confirmed. And also Dwlee.
Coolbeans.

[NorwegianboyEE]

cause here’s where I doubt Dwlee, picture this, Dwlee scum. just claimed miller. gets checked by a rolecop, so he instantly claims his true role. doc. that has felt fishy to me all game

No.

[NorwegianboyEE]

if A50 continues to do nothing, I’m down to move there, I’m starting to like Gerain, so maybe it’s simply just A50/Osuka?? idk, class.

Um. A50 was checked by a role cop on night 2.

You know, that was such an stupid uneducated guess that i'm just gonna assume you dumbtelled and confirm you town that way.
Leaving... Huh. Just Osuka/Geraint.

Ok so it was Osuka/Geraint.
Game solved.

VOTE: Osuka

[NorwegianboyEE]

Enchant - Combined Voyeur-Follower

(D1:

T3

No action taken/Protective action received, D2: Andante No action taken/No action received)

Dwlee99

- Roaming doctor (D1:

T3

, D2: No action)

Almost50

- VT

Andante

- VT
geraintm - VT
osuka - ??

NorwegianboyEE

- ??

Hella Jeff

- VT

Something_Smart

- Loud rolecop (D1: Dwlee, D2: Almost50)

I think the ONLY way this would fail is if Dwlee is a scum roaming doctor or Enchant's role is scum? Otherwise it should be 2/2 in Osuka/Geraint.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Enchant - Combined Voyeur-Follower

(D1:

T3

No action taken/Protective action received, D2: Andante No action taken/No action received)

Dwlee99

- Roaming doctor (D1:

T3

, D2: No action)

Almost50

- VT

Andante

- Claimed VT

geraintm

- Claimed VT

osuka

- ??

NorwegianboyEE

- VT

[NorwegianboyEE]

Almost is confirmed vanilla, not vanilla town

Did Osuka seriously not claim

Doesn't "Vanilla" mean town while "goon" would be given to a mafia?
I mean nobody ever says: "Vanilla mafia" right?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok you're right. I checked the wiki.

here is no indication of the target's alignment; if a Mafia Goon or Vanilla Townie is investigated, they return "Vanilla".

So A50 isn't confirmed town, just either vanilla town or goon.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Almost50 - VT
Andante - Claimed VT
geraintm - Claimed VT
osuka - ??

NorwegianboyEE

- VT

Dwlee99

- Roaming doctor

Enchant

- Combined Voyeur-Follower

Ok so things aren't nearly as cut throat as i thought it was then.
I'm assuming Dwlee, and Enchant are town. Andante isn't really 'cleared' per say since i misunderstood how S_S's role works so their scumread of A50 isn't a dumb tell.

[NorwegianboyEE]

4 of those town PR's probably makes sense for the setup.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm surprised you didn't know that?

I made an assumption and never checked if it's actually true.
My b.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Dwlee protect Enchant while Enchant check Geraint is best night action i think.

[NorwegianboyEE]

blood, I like the effort you are giving right now.

@Norwee, you better step up your town game, or I'm voting you

I’m blindingly town.
If you want to lose the game and vote me, go right ahead. Nothing i can do to convince you in that case.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Idk who scum are.
I’m gonna wait for them to make a move. Or for us to lose the game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I can’t fight if i don’t know who the mafia are.
But if say, 2 scum slots are voting me and there is no hammer. Then i can argue on the basis of why i’m likely not scum in this game, using factual evidence.
But otherwise, meh.
Too much effort.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So if you’re scum then i would actually want you to vote me Andante, but if you’re town we instalose cus scum can quickhammer.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can i ask one thing first.
Why did you target Geraint?
Did you seriously expect that an two man scum team would have Geraint perform the kill last night? When my post made it bloody obvious that if Geraint is scum he shouldn’t make the kill that night?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m not sure i trust you based on how blatantly bad all your choices have been ever since T3 died.