Mini 2251: Triplicate! GAME OVER!

[Ircher]

Hello.

How does voting work? Do we vote separately for each game?

[Ircher]

Okay I understand the voting rules now. This is going to be a crazy game.

[Ircher]

VOTE: House

[Ircher]

House didn't bother checking in; that confirms he is scum plotting to overthrow us.

[Ircher]

You could have at least said hi. You had enough time to confirm.

[Ircher]

On top of that if A50 isn't scum then he's outing as mason and eats a day kill whether scum is in that Poe or not.

We can lim you instead.

[Ircher]

Almost50 will sort himself just by outing himself as mason.

[Ircher]

VOTE: MegAzumarill
HURT: Ircher
I have more fosses than these two, but, phoneposting.

There's zero way that these two are town in all three games so eliminating one of them is guaranteed to advance the town wincon in at least one game.

You rolled scum, didn't you?

[Ircher]

I am less concerned about your read on me and more concerned about your read on Meg who had only one post when you posted that. I find it hard to believe that one post would be so indicative of scum. @mastina

[Ircher]

VOTE: Almost50

If I read the rules correctly, that means I'm still voting House in game 3. I don't want a simul-lim.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Radical Rat

[Ircher]

This leads a lot of credence btw to Almost50's theory.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Enigma
VOTE: Radical Rat

[Ircher]

It might be too late. Enigma got a lotta votes.

[Ircher]

Nah, the scum in the open setup goofed, so things are a bit different now.

[Ircher]

Good try House. I applaud the effort.

[Ircher]

So House... Are you scum in the other games?

[Ircher]

Vote RCEnigma then vote Rat in the same post.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Enigma
VOTE: House

[Ircher]

So many posts

[Ircher]

mastina is town in precisely 2/3 games.

[Ircher]

It is my read on her.

[Ircher]

VOTE: T3

[Ircher]

At this point, the game 3 scum just ought to surrender.

[Ircher]

Perhaps perhaps not

[Ircher]

mastina is town in precisely 2/3 games.

I think you're right. Which game are you two scum together?

Well obviously not 3. What if I told you via a secret code?

[Ircher]

Am I the only one who speaks fervently?

Perhaps. It is an art for sure.

[Ircher]

Eliminate down the following list: Dunnstral --> mastina --> T3 --> Ircher --> Dwlee99 --> Amy --> Cheeky --> Chloe. Obviously, we skip limming the masons, but we do so in a careful manner so that scum don't abuse this.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Ircher]

It says that your visions are the same.

[Ircher]

It changes all three at once since Dunnstral is alive in every game. You can vote someone like Meg, Rat, House, Almost50 to change your other two votes though.

[Ircher]

What is there to explain? The list is ordered but the ordering is not important. What matters is going down it.

[Ircher]

The how is I drew names from a hat. The why is because it maximizes our chances of winning.

[Ircher]

The answer is we must be careful. Careful not to reveal too much. Eliminating down the list minimizes information exposure.

[Ircher]

4 masons. 3 VTs. 1 scum. Scum already know 3/4 of the VTs.

[Ircher]

*4 VTs. 3 masons. 1 scum.

[Ircher]

Cheeky, vote DUnn.

[Ircher]

Cheeky, vote Dunn.

[Ircher]

Dunnstral, claim.

[Ircher]

For game C that is.

[Ircher]

Someone should just hammer in that case.

[Ircher]

Dwlee, you should hammer if you are town in game 3.

[Ircher]

Ah my bad.

[Ircher]

It'd probably be okay if Dunnstral self-hammered actually (if he is town.)

[Ircher]

Every Mafia player has the ability to send in a private daykill to the mod. If the kill hits a Mason it will succeed, if it hits a Townie, the kill will backfire and the Mafia player will die.
Every Mason and Mafia player is given access to a Secret Alt which they may use to post in the single private thread for the game. They are not required to do so. Only masons and mafia may view this thread, and they may continue to post in it after they die if they so choose.

[Ircher]

No I think what is meant is that Almost50 can choose the limming order. We should still kill Dunnstral anyway since it's clear he isn't a mason, but Almost50 can choose the next target.

[Ircher]

T3, if you are town, you should be hammering Dunn. If you are scum, you should be hammering Dunn.

[Ircher]

to confirm: he dies in game 3 and only game 3?

Yes.

[Ircher]

Pretty sure mastina is scum in game 2 which means it is pretty likely she isn't scum in game 3.

[Ircher]

Don't ask masons to claim. Just let Almost50 direct.

[Ircher]

Cheeky, Dwlee, vote T3.

[Ircher]

You're okay. Like I said, the ordering didn't matter. We just need people to focus on limming so scum don't have a chance to kill all the masons.

[Ircher]

T3, if you are town, you should self-vote so you aren't a distraction.
UNVOTE:

[Ircher]

Folks, why aren't we limming T3 with haste?

[Ircher]

What happened to limming T3? There never was a hammer.

[Ircher]

Well then just hammer if the lim has the blessing of Almost50.

[Ircher]

was that the 4th vote? It takes 4 to hammer.

[Ircher]

We already lost becausee scum can chain kills.

We should have stuck to my original plan: just speed lim down a list with no questions asked.

[Ircher]

Who did T3 try to shoot?

[Ircher]

VOTE: mastina

She's scum in at least one of these games.

[Ircher]

I was confused about that as well.

@Dunnstral: Would you like to elaborate on that?

[Ircher]

I however am VERY good at reading Ircher and guarantee he's scum in AT LEAST one game, if not two.

Almost certainly with MegAzumarill in at least one game, too.

(So, I suppose my "Ircher is the last scum" in game 4 read has a caveat--there's a chance he's not scum there, but he's scum with MegAzumarill in some game, probably the second, almost for sure.)

You can claim to have whatever reads accuracy you want on me, but I am not personally convinced. Also, your read here is mostly an associative one and a very weak one at that.

Do you think that because you are scum in 2/3 and town in the third and thus you know me to be town in the two you are scum and are guessing the inverse for the game you aren't scum?

You're town in precisely two because you are doing your standard wallposts, but at the same time, I can see you are pushing an agenda. The question is which game of 1/2 you are town in and which one you are scum in. I lean towards you being scum in game 2 based on how you felt compelled to counterclaim a joke claim.

I just saw 'bulletproof' and '100% serious' and INSTANTLY scrolled up to hit the login button to counterclaim because there was no fucking chance in hell of there being two bulletproofs in a mini game in my opinion.

In a theme game? Eh. I'd say it's possible if scum have a strongman. Even if you believe this, it is still pretty poor form to immediately jump to counterclaim. You could have waited until you knew all the facts; it wasn't like you were in danger or anything.

Having seen that it was implied and not actually explicitly stated, I am again reminding you that Meg is like 200% scum in game #2.

A claim as outrageous as the one Meg made doesn't require an explicit "it's a joke". I understand that reading jokes isn't your forte; it isn't mine either, but you really can't be using this as the primary basis for your read on Meg. (Also, in before you use this to reinforce your associative read on us.)

I'm ticked enough that I got eliminated in ONE game.

You got eliminated and then we won. I wouldn't be so upset; it led to a positive outcome.

The demon lord did not surprise!-lolhammer you.
As that's the optimal play for an obviously scum role, that means any other usage of it is suboptimal.
In fact, the usage of it on you is actually damning for you.
If the scum wanted to use the Demon Lord to kill a town player, they should've waited until a town player was at L-1 and used the demon lord then.
Using it before a player is at L-1 thus means that scum are instead opting to let the town know about it--and by having it vote you, that's wifom to dissuade people from voting you.

In other words: the vote on you from the demon lord is actually proof that you're scum.

I don't disagree that using it to lolhammer someone is optimal play for scum, but you have some logical flaws in your argument. First, you are assuming scum are playing optimally. We can see from game 3 that this doesn't tend to be the case in practice. You're also assuming that the vote comes from scum. While this isn't implausible based on the naming, we cannot know for sure. It could just as well be from town in which case it proves nothing because the townie with the ability most likely has no other information about the setup. Even if we do assume it is from scum, you cannot make such a definitive conclusion because as you yourself pointed out, it's a WIFOM move. Scum might vote themselves to "clear" themselves, or maybe they would in fact use it on a townie.

[Ircher]

My play in game #3 showing proof that I'm not playing towards scum in any of the games?

You said it yourself: just because you flip town in one game has very little bearing on your alignment in the other games.

[Ircher]

That could be worded better: just because you flip one way in one game doesn't mean you will flip the same way in the others. Your alignment in one game has very little bearing on your alignment in the other games.

[Ircher]

Plus, you fucking KNOW my meta.

While I do put stock in meta, it's a lot to keep track of, and I most certainly don't take long-term notes on this stuff. The assumption I would remember this is not well-founded.

[Ircher]

UNVOTE:
We can lim mastina day 2, but I don't actually feel this anymore.

[Ircher]

Also, you do realize a simple roleblocker would 100% be a troll role and would in fact not work on scum PRs.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Rat

[Ircher]

Oh I'm surprised by that as well. I wouldn't place too much confidence in my reads.

[Ircher]

Nah, there's some useful stuff in the earlier set of that range (20-25).

[Ircher]

They hath also abandonedeth the thread, though they could just be busy.

[Ircher]

I do not feel like reading the 20 pages that appeared since I last checked right now, is Game 3 done yet?

You're the leading wagon. What are your reads?

[Ircher]

Alright, so I was remaining intentionally silent because I wanted to avoid accidentally incriminating Meg/T3, or exonerating others, but now that that's not a concern...

What is this supposed to mean? Why are you concerned about incriminating certain players and exonerating others?

[Ircher]

VOTE: Meg

[Ircher]

Sorry Meg.

[Ircher]

I disagree. A failure to talk means that you are hiding in the scum PT.

[Ircher]

No one said it was?

[Ircher]

You realize I only questioned how she was scummy once I opened both the spoilers and saw she was town in both games? How is that TMI when I'm literally reading the mods posts?

I agree it's not TMI, but it does have that characteristic of "Well, it's their fault they got limmed!" and I'm inclined to believe that attitude comes from scum more often than town. (Exceptions are when the player in question was being jerk to everyone, but that's clearly not the case here.)

Flip Cheeky in one game, Dwlee in another.

Why Cheeky?

A serious 3p claim should always be limmed, why do you not agree?

No. Not all third parties are self-aligned. They should be limmed when it's in our best interest which is not always immediately. Scum want us to waste a lim on 3rd parties.

I'm not surviving this night in both games, am I?

Nah, you'll be fine.

[Ircher]

The thread should be open at night in every game. It's always disappointing when it closes.

[Ircher]

Also, you said you can find "all 3 scum" in both games. Unless I'm missing something, the only setup that states how many scum there are was Game 3, in which there were four. What makes you so sure there's three in the others?

3 scum is almost universally the case in minis. I guess it's harder to know for sure for the theme which may have 3rd parties, but it's still very reasonable.

[Ircher]

The thread is kind of slow rn.

[Ircher]

mastina has some strange logic at times.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Dwlee
How do you loverize yourself?

[Ircher]

I would take a 2/3 wins.

Cheeky's ability does sound a bit op; it seems to suffer the same flaws as the sensor role.

[Ircher]

Okay, time to hammer mastina

[Ircher]

Okay here's the deal. I am town in A, but scum in B, BUT my role is I'm a haterizer / loverizer combo so if I live the night I'll be able to haterize myself tonight and this will mean I need one less vote to be flipped tomorrow, meaning I can be hammered in B without dying in A. As it stands right now, I don't think it is possible to only lim me in B because no one is alive in A but not in B. But if we wait a day I CAN be limmed in B and not A

1) Why are you making this trade?
2) VOTE: Radical Rat

[Ircher]

RR has already flipped scum in C and has been posting a lot more since that flip. I don't understand why he's the lim in A?

Increased engagement does not equate town.

[Ircher]

mastina, I'm not scum. I just not very engaged with the game rn. Nothing interesting is happening.

[Ircher]

Your chainsaw is duly noted.

[Ircher]

My what? What “chainsaw”? You keep saying you’re town but have yet to explain your RR vote.

You're chainsawing on behalf of your buddy Rat.

[Ircher]

Hey House, why are you just popping in and popping out?

[Ircher]

Lim T3 next.

[Ircher]

Both T3 and Dwlee are scum in game 2.

[Ircher]

I am town reading Enigma in game 2.

[Ircher]

Almost50, Chloe, and Cheeky are my town reads across both games.

[Ircher]

I mean, House enabled this in part by not unvoting after hammering. Regardleess, game 1 might be a lost cause, and you should just focus on winning game 2.

[Ircher]

Gg everyone. Ugh, I really wish mastina was in fact a survivor. I think this would have been different if there were extra kills. (Even if there weren't, mastina might have played differently and made it more apparent she was malevolent, but eh.) She still played well though.

[Ircher]

I liked the open setup. I think the theme makes much more sense with the knowledge that mastina was a serial killer, but that's hard to tell as the game is going especially when there weren't additional kills. I think the normal would have been balanced with the checker being town-aligned and without modifiers.

[Ircher]

(Also, this game isn't going on my wiki because it doesn't really fit format-wise. I would add it otherwise.)