Mini 2251: Triplicate! GAME OVER!

[Lady Chloe]

Almost50, how can I fortify your perception of the game?

[House]

*pops in*
VOTE: A50
VOTE: Meg
*pops out*

Why are you voting A50?

I'm whimsical like that.

[T3]

VOTE: mastina

[mastina]

Bang Bang. A Win Condition has been achieved.
I should really go do something productive.

You fuckers have NOBODY to fucking blame but yourselves.

DID I NOT FUCKING SAY.

DID I FUCKING NOT FUCKING SAY.

THAT AMY WAS SCUM IN AT LEAST ONE FUCKING GAME.

DID I NOT FUCKING TELL YOU THAT I NEVER FUCKING BUS MEG HERE.
DID I NOT FUCKING HARD TOWNSLIP BY NOT BEING AWARE OF THE FUCKING NATURE OF THE SCUM/MASONS IN GAME THREE.

DID I NOT FUCKING TELL YOU YOU FUCKERS COULD FUCK OFF IF YOU THOUGHT I WAS SCUM BECAUSE I NEVER FUCKING AM.

You fucking OWE me big here because that loss is on YOU fuckers.
I was sleeping, sure!

But do you think I wouldn't have instantly shot?

I'm MASTINA.
I'm fucking DEADWEIGHT AS SCUM.

I take the FIRST FUCKING SHOT for my team.

Not the fucking last shot.

And you fuckers if you had a fucking brain would've critically analyzed that.

But noooooo.

You HAD to do the fucking impulsive thing.

So fuck off with accusations of me being scum EVER again and hammering me when I'm fucking sleeping.

Also:
Since Ircher flipped town in game 3, that means Ircher is scum with MegAzumarill in game two.

[mastina]

OH MY GOD DID WE ACTUALLY LOSE THIS AFTER ALL THAT

And WHOSE fault was that?

Was it mine, for yaknow...sleeping?

Or was it maybe the people who fucking IGNORE MY POSTS and what I say in them?

[mastina]

VOTE: mastina

She's scum in at least one of these games.

I'm town in all three.

Ircher on the other hand is scum in at

least

one of them if not two.

My vote's going to either be on MegAzumarill or Ircher--those are the only acceptable votes imo.

[Lady Chloe]

Mastina, town won because of T3's misfire.

[mastina]

I agree with ircher bigly

Fuck off, Dwlee.

I'm ticked enough that I got eliminated in ONE game.

I'm not going down when I have been putting in more effort than ever before in all three games.

Also I'd it wasn't obvious I'm not seriously claiming in either remaining game

I'm dead serious.

MegAzumarill is scum in game #2.
Ircher is scum with MegAzumarill in game #2 and might be scum in game #1.

Given that, though, I'm actually going to:
VOTE: Ircher

Chance to kill scum in 2/2 games > basically guaranteed 1/2.

[mastina]

I misjudged you Amy. Forgive me.

I will reserve judgement there until Amy flips in all three games as my read remains "could be scum in any game, but not strongly enough to be sure".

We should 100% be eliminating one of MegAzumarill or Ircher for the remaining games as they're basically guaranteed scum here.

But Amy remains

possible

scum in the remaining games.

[mastina]

I'd love mastina to explain it and why specifically in game B

Because you're not playing as scum in 3/3 games but are playing as scum in 2/3 and your play matches scum in game #2 better than it does in game #1.

Is anyone going to point out I am being voted out by the demon lord

I saw it--I don't care.

The demon lord did not surprise!-lolhammer you.

As that's the optimal play for an obviously scum role, that means any other usage of it is suboptimal.

In fact, the usage of it on you is actually damning for you.

If the scum wanted to use the Demon Lord to kill a town player, they should've waited until a town player was at L-1 and used the demon lord then.

Using it before a player is at L-1 thus means that scum are instead opting to let the town know about it--and by having it vote you, that's wifom to dissuade people from voting you.

In other words: the vote on you from the demon lord is actually proof that you're scum.

[Dwlee99]

Fuck off, Dwlee.

No you? We won game 3...

[mastina]

I am still VERY sus of the mastina/House duo being paired as scum in another game, but I will lay off for now because there's a slender chance they're -say- Masons or even neighbours instead.

I've zero ties to House aside from not being a fucking idiot at reading the game and the game's mechanics.

House is town but if you doubt me you can go ahead and eliminate me--

On the condition that after you do, you fucking shut up about me and let me be as fucking smug as I want because I will have fucking EARNED the smugness.

[Dwlee99]

Love getting cursed at for... winning

[mastina]

This choice of Ircher tells me he's not scum with House in either of the 2 games.

Also Amy is not scum with House in the remaining 2 games.

That'd be because

nobody

is scum with House because he's town in both.

[mastina]

Mastina, town won because of T3's misfire.

Yes but I didn't know that when I was posting.

I do now.

But I didn't.

And just because they won doesn't mean I cannot be fucking pissed that you fucking mislimmed me while I was sleeping that game--it is a show of a (lack of) integrity.

Also need I remind you that I am at, what, L-2 now in both remaining games?

From "mastina is scum in 1/3 games" 'logic' that nobody backs up because there isn't any fucking logic had in a bullshit statement like that which goes contrary to everything?

I still have a right to be fucking furious here and I am enacting that right until the only votes on me are from scum.

[mastina]

Love getting cursed at for... winning

I have the right to curse at you for fucking voting me out both in game three and AFTER SEEING THAT I WAS TOWN THERE then deciding to vote me in BOTH THE REMAINING GAMES.

In spite of, yaknow.

Maybe.

Just maybe.

My play in game #3 showing proof that I'm not playing towards scum in any of the games?

I've been solving

all three

games from the

onset

. I've not been solving one game; I've been solving ALL of them. My reads are cross-game applying to ALL of them. So if you see me fucking flip town in game 3 after being fucking wrong there and then go on to proceed to VOTE ME IN BOTH REMAINING GAMES, I do in fact get to say:

Fuck. off.

[Ircher]

I however am VERY good at reading Ircher and guarantee he's scum in AT LEAST one game, if not two.

Almost certainly with MegAzumarill in at least one game, too.

(So, I suppose my "Ircher is the last scum" in game 4 read has a caveat--there's a chance he's not scum there, but he's scum with MegAzumarill in some game, probably the second, almost for sure.)

You can claim to have whatever reads accuracy you want on me, but I am not personally convinced. Also, your read here is mostly an associative one and a very weak one at that.

Do you think that because you are scum in 2/3 and town in the third and thus you know me to be town in the two you are scum and are guessing the inverse for the game you aren't scum?

You're town in precisely two because you are doing your standard wallposts, but at the same time, I can see you are pushing an agenda. The question is which game of 1/2 you are town in and which one you are scum in. I lean towards you being scum in game 2 based on how you felt compelled to counterclaim a joke claim.

I just saw 'bulletproof' and '100% serious' and INSTANTLY scrolled up to hit the login button to counterclaim because there was no fucking chance in hell of there being two bulletproofs in a mini game in my opinion.

In a theme game? Eh. I'd say it's possible if scum have a strongman. Even if you believe this, it is still pretty poor form to immediately jump to counterclaim. You could have waited until you knew all the facts; it wasn't like you were in danger or anything.

Having seen that it was implied and not actually explicitly stated, I am again reminding you that Meg is like 200% scum in game #2.

A claim as outrageous as the one Meg made doesn't require an explicit "it's a joke". I understand that reading jokes isn't your forte; it isn't mine either, but you really can't be using this as the primary basis for your read on Meg. (Also, in before you use this to reinforce your associative read on us.)

I'm ticked enough that I got eliminated in ONE game.

You got eliminated and then we won. I wouldn't be so upset; it led to a positive outcome.

The demon lord did not surprise!-lolhammer you.
As that's the optimal play for an obviously scum role, that means any other usage of it is suboptimal.
In fact, the usage of it on you is actually damning for you.
If the scum wanted to use the Demon Lord to kill a town player, they should've waited until a town player was at L-1 and used the demon lord then.
Using it before a player is at L-1 thus means that scum are instead opting to let the town know about it--and by having it vote you, that's wifom to dissuade people from voting you.

In other words: the vote on you from the demon lord is actually proof that you're scum.

I don't disagree that using it to lolhammer someone is optimal play for scum, but you have some logical flaws in your argument. First, you are assuming scum are playing optimally. We can see from game 3 that this doesn't tend to be the case in practice. You're also assuming that the vote comes from scum. While this isn't implausible based on the naming, we cannot know for sure. It could just as well be from town in which case it proves nothing because the townie with the ability most likely has no other information about the setup. Even if we do assume it is from scum, you cannot make such a definitive conclusion because as you yourself pointed out, it's a WIFOM move. Scum might vote themselves to "clear" themselves, or maybe they would in fact use it on a townie.

[Ircher]

My play in game #3 showing proof that I'm not playing towards scum in any of the games?

You said it yourself: just because you flip town in one game has very little bearing on your alignment in the other games.

[Ircher]

That could be worded better: just because you flip one way in one game doesn't mean you will flip the same way in the others. Your alignment in one game has very little bearing on your alignment in the other games.

[mastina]

You're town in precisely two because you are doing your standard wallposts, but at the same time, I can see you are pushing an agenda.

The agenda was attempting to get fucking nightkilled in game #2 by being fucking bulletproof and knowing that, via being bulletproof in game #2, I couldn't truly die in either of the other two. As in, due to being bulletproof in game #2, I couldn't have my voice removed in game #1.

The

only

way to get rid of me would be via town idiocy in fucking eliminating a fucking BULLETPROOF. (That or a scum strongman but like--forcing scum to use the strongman > doing the fucking scum's work for them.)

The question is which game of 1/2 you are town in and which one you are scum in.

I'm not scum in ANY of the games because I fucking hard-townslipped in a way that I was fucking incapable of doing if I were scum.

I lean towards you being scum in game 2 based on how you felt compelled to counterclaim a joke claim.

That was not a joke claim from Meg, and I've explained why it was not a joke claim.

Plus, you fucking KNOW my meta.

You fucking KNOW I wouldn't counterclaim a role as scum;

You fucking KNOW I WOULD counterclaim a role as town seeing it and rushing to do so--because I've done so before.

Even if you believe this, it is still pretty poor form to immediately jump to counterclaim. You could have waited until you knew all the facts; it wasn't like you were in danger or anything.

This critique is proof that Ircher does not believe I am actually scum.

A claim as outrageous as the one Meg made doesn't require an explicit "it's a joke". I understand that reading jokes isn't your forte; it isn't mine either, but you really can't be using this as the primary basis for your read on Meg. (Also, in before you use this to reinforce your associative read on us.)

I'm not.

The claim isn't a joke not because it was serious.

It's not a joke because it was still

tactical

. It wasn't made without rhyme or reason. It was

deliberate

. It wasn't whimsy, it wasn't something done spontaneously. It was done

strategically

.

And THAT is why it is scum.

First, you are assuming scum are playing optimally.

Yeah and if I was scum in game #2 no fucking shit I'd use the role optimally.

And using the role to vote a player and give away the scum extra vote without hammering is using it suboptimally--it means that every town player should treat L-2 as if it were L-1 and thus force extra caution, meaning the scum vote is basically worthless.

You're also assuming that the vote comes from scum.

An unannounced unclaimed vote on the lead wagon?

Seems a fairly safe bet to me!

Scum might vote themselves to "clear" themselves, or maybe they would in fact use it on a townie.

If they were going to use it on a townie, they'd use it as a hammer.

From experience, I know that when scum have an extra vote and

don't

use it as a hammer, they almost ALWAYS use it to vote themselves to try and make themselves look more town.

Speaking of which:
VOTE: MegAzumarill
Back to voting here.

[Ircher]

Plus, you fucking KNOW my meta.

While I do put stock in meta, it's a lot to keep track of, and I most certainly don't take long-term notes on this stuff. The assumption I would remember this is not well-founded.

[MegAzumarill]

mastina thats still not a reason to why I'm scum.

[mastina]

My play in game #3 showing proof that I'm not playing towards scum in any of the games?

You said it yourself: just because you flip town in one game has very little bearing on your alignment in the other games.

That's basically the opposite of what I've been saying?

Players' play in all games is influenced by their alignment in all of the games.

Someone flipping scum in one game can, situationally: clear them in the remaining games (House, T3), or have no bearing on their alignment in the other games (RR, MegAzumarill).

Someone flipping town in one game can, situationally, clear them in all the games (Almost50, Lady Chloe, trusting-T3-RCE), or have no bearing on their alignment in other games (don't have this memorized but give me a bit), or can actually hard-condemn them as being scum in another game.

Players' play in games is a reflection of their alignment in

all

of the games.

And I have been playing to my fucking town meta in ALL of them because guess what? Not scum in any of them.

That I wasn't playing with an agenda was already proven in game #3.

It would also be proven if I was fucking mislimmed in both games 1 and 2 because I am not fucking scum in all three and transparently so.

[Ircher]

UNVOTE:
We can lim mastina day 2, but I don't actually feel this anymore.

[MegAzumarill]

UNVOTE:

I don't think I'm voting but just making sure.

I think I agree with letting mastina live.