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[Bowser Jr.]

Luke your link is borked

[Bowser Jr.]

That’s our full claim and I didn’t use it bc I was watching to see how today shook out

[Bowser Jr.]

We’re Puck

[Bowser Jr.]

VOTE: Child of Fairies

Lied about their role, don't believe their new claim either.

PEdit: OMG we posted at the same time look at that

~Spiffy

[Bowser Jr.]

Luke's sudden defense of CoF is weird and I don't love it.

The way this is framed gives me hives

-f

[Bowser Jr.]

But isnt lld conftown from your role?

^^^

I feel meh about our wagons but don’t care to try and derail at this point. I think CoF is a DG regardless of alignment and the main thing I took issue with was then saying they had mod confirmation what they did

[Bowser Jr.]

But isnt lld conftown from your role?

^^^

I feel meh about our wagons but don’t care to try and derail at this point. I think CoF is a DG regardless of alignment and the main thing I took issue with was then saying they had mod confirmation what they did

If you **were** derailing, where would you go?

Dunno.

[Bowser Jr.]

Hey we are Town

I don't know who is scum. I literally did not know Gamma/marci was dead going into today until I saw the votecount and am actually flabbergasted there are only five of us left.

Haven't really read this game like since before Thanksgiving so uh I feel bad about that but maybe notty has and can do stuff to get us to not get limmed here and just hit scum instead?

~Spiffy

[Bowser Jr.]

Pav, how did you get a hood with Bowser.

Our role creates one when I target pav. Luke literally talked about this two days and asked why I didn’t, glad to see we’re paying attention!

I figured we might as well confirm we’re telling the truth

But nah we’re totally scum and if it’s not us it’s Dunn Bc setup spec. Y’all are in sn auto win at this point so just kill me and make yourselves look bad then kill Dunn, LLD is confirmed via gamma, Bell is town and skybird was targeted by Galron.

[Bowser Jr.]

Don’t draw this shit out just get the show on the road.

[Bowser Jr.]

Oh wait pav is alive fuck we aren’t in autowin

[Bowser Jr.]

Update I wasn’t paying enough attention

But sure I’m totally scum You got me that’s why I’m confirmed visiting somewhere else and have my action confirmed to do what it said

[Bowser Jr.]

@Pav place a vote for me why don’t you

[Bowser Jr.]

Wait a minute LLD saying it’s a scum loverizer totally missing that the lover action was claimed by Pav lmao

[Bowser Jr.]

Is Pav claiming to have loverized LLD and Titus?

~Spiffy

[Bowser Jr.]

Place it on someone else then to prove my action tia

[Bowser Jr.]

Plus I had a very specific request I want to see enacted

[Bowser Jr.]

@Skybird can you unvote please? We have plenty of time, no need to quickhammer like yesterday (where we were not even able to post, btw) especially since we only have two shots left.

~Spiffy

[Bowser Jr.]

WHERES MY COUPLET

[Bowser Jr.]

Oh wait duck he went the same place as me I’m dumb.

I suppose some argument could be made that my post restrictions loverizer but given the fact that Galron didn’t have one…

[Bowser Jr.]

WHY WONT YOU WRITE ME A LUKEWARM COUPLET

also you risking your coins when you can tie yourself to Dunn and guarantee a W is p sus!

[Bowser Jr.]

Why don’t you ask bell

[Bowser Jr.]

If you don't follow our PR I think you lose coins

Bell should be able to confirm.

How does this plan sound: Lim us today -> Pav loverizes himself to Dunn tonight-> scum kill Skybird or Bell tonight-> remainder of skybird or Bell lim either Pav or Dunn tomorrow, killing both and giving us the win regardless of which one of them mis scum.

Is there a reason to not do this? I am spitballing here.

~Spiffy

[Bowser Jr.]

Can confirm.

Forgive my ignorance but why isn't it just pavowski?

-Bell

Because we blocked ceph elim obv so our proven claim isn’t proven and we clearly can do more than just post restrict

[Bowser Jr.]

Hmm I guess it's possible the scum loverizer can loverize and kill in the same night which means limming us would be an auto loss if that's the case.

~Spiffy

[Bowser Jr.]

And it probably just is Pav given his weird standoffish behavior rn! But auto wins are auto wins so meh

Ninja-
You literally said you can buy another with coins lol

[Bowser Jr.]

I believe Skybird is clear because she was confirmed to be targeted by scum!Galron on Night 1.

~Spiffy

[Bowser Jr.]

Okay, you guys are ready to run me up. Cool cool cool.

Might as well claim.

I'm Oberon's Flower. I make people fall in love. 'Twas I who loverized Galron and Icebox. I had a good scumread on Galron and I was nullish at best on Icebox after d1 (townier since then!). Several of you expressed that loverizing seemed like a scum ability; maybe it usually is (this is my first game with the mechanic), but this time it isn't. I had an ability and didn't want to die with it in my pocket. I do not know why they subsequently fell out of love, but something must have happened to nullify it because my ability was still "spent".

I can loverize again if the opportunity arises for me to repurchase the ability, but it hasn't come up yet, so I'm a vanilla townie right now. As such I do make sense as an elimination target, as until something unforeseen happens, I can't add any intel or affect the game in any meaningful way. I can think of one pair I'm curious to loverize if given the chance, but who knows if that'll happen or if you will let me live that long.

Anyway, watch the vote counts. There is opportunism afoot.

And I wrote you guys a damn sonnet, too.

Probably done posting for tonight!

[Bowser Jr.]

Based on my not-caught-up limited knowledge I am between Pav and Dunn.

I think 'm leaning towards Pav, but why do we think it's NOT Dunn here?

~Spiffy

[Bowser Jr.]

Bell look into my eyes

Am I scum

[Bowser Jr.]

Ok yeah Pav literally stated he can repurchase the ability when he claimed and now says he cannot

Which is it?

~Spiffy

[Bowser Jr.]

…are there any flipped roles that WOULD make it available for purchase?

[Bowser Jr.]

So in a town!Pav world, scum would have had to just been sitting on this loverize ability to use for the first time last Night, right?

~Spiffy

[Bowser Jr.]

Was the loverizer used on LLD and Titus last night, the same night they were killed?

If so then we need to get this one right.

~Spiffy

[Bowser Jr.]

Can confirm.

Forgive my ignorance but why isn't it just pavowski?

-Bell

Because we blocked ceph elim obv so our proven claim isn’t proven and we clearly can do more than just post restrict

Wasn't he bullet proof?

-Bell

I just checked he was an activatable 1s BP and 2S JK.

[Bowser Jr.]

It just occurred to me that Wisdom's play makes perfect sense now.

That bastard.

-Bell

I feel this way a lot when playing with wisdom

[Bowser Jr.]

Ok well we (as in, Bowser Jr.) really don't wanna be in MELO so can we just get it right today

~Spiffy

[Bowser Jr.]

Dunn can you reiterate your role claim or point me to the post where you full claimed?

~Spiffy

[Bowser Jr.]

If I get to melo I will actually die.

-Bell

Either get it right or kill me then

Those are your options

[Bowser Jr.]

I am struggling with understanding why scum!Pav would ever fucking claim the loverizer in the first place when basically everyone assumed it was a scum role when it was initially used.

And now also use another obviously scum loverize ability last night after we all then knew it was him the first time.

~Spiffy

[Bowser Jr.]

Same let’s kill them

[Bowser Jr.]

By the way, we know that roles are tied to flavor, including this

scum crier.

We know what play everyone is from because of CoF's ability.

Freudian slip?

~Spiffy

[Bowser Jr.]

That we can use simultaneously with our nightkill and post restriction on another target.

Right.

[Bowser Jr.]

Pav. As has already been discussed, by restricting him we got the neighborhood.

[Bowser Jr.]

Bell can confirm this was discussed in our day two hood he refused to post in.

[Bowser Jr.]

Hint: this proves the restriction isn’t tied to loverizer and unless you think there’s a role in this game that can visit hypothetically four people in one night not including stealing coins…

[Bowser Jr.]

We post restricted Pav last Night which is confirmed by the fact that we have a neighborhood with him today. (Lukewarm I believe confirmed we claimed this ability in the neighborhood Day 2 and Bell/Pav should be able to vouch).

Since our PR is confirmed, the only way we're scum is if we are able to target four different players (two loverize, one NK, one post restriction) in one Night phase which is kinda laughable?

Like I guess it's technically possible but notty says that would be awkward game design and I believe him obvi

~Spiffy

[Bowser Jr.]

Why wasn't I neighborized when I got restricted?

-Bell

Did you even read the hood you towel

It only worked with his flavor. If we hit Luke we got vanillaized.

[Bowser Jr.]

If we targeted Oberon's Flower, we get a neighborhood with them.

If we targeted Titania, we got vanillaized, with the option to buy one more shot of the PR ability with 5 coins. We had to pay coins in order to learn this information.

~Spiffy

[Bowser Jr.]

BELL IS A TOWEL

[Bowser Jr.]

Just iso us in the hood and search Oberon

[Bowser Jr.]

Yup just them

Happy accident we hit in our play N1 but you know I can’t resist fucking with you

[Bowser Jr.]

I'm not sure I believe you, but I also don't want to discourage you if you're town.
Maybe I am a towel for saying this.
Saying it anyway.
I respect LLD's game a lot. so I'll probably just end up sheeping her after independently verifying her arguments and seeing if it fits for me.

-Bell

I mean that’s fine with me because then I don’t have to deal with MELO tbh

[Bowser Jr.]

Ok Bell well when you do get time to dive back into this game I'm hoping you'll devote a lot of it to investigating Dunnstral because I'm actually now leaning towards him being the final scum and given LLD's PoE is us and Pav I would like you to do more than just sheep her.

~Spiffy

[Bowser Jr.]

Bell knows I’m town but bloodstained isn’t going to let him shirk the paranoia

It’s okay

[Bowser Jr.]

Also I think a lot less actually happened in our neighborhood then everyone is making it out to be, so don't feel left out Skybird.

Sure we full claimed but other than that notty was just calling Bell a towel a whole bunch.

~Spiffy

[Bowser Jr.]

(Because he was being a towel)

[Bowser Jr.]

@bell the ice cream thing was a reference to a mini normal I was in with Galron where I was a Neapolitan

[Bowser Jr.]

At work

@Bell-

Please kill us first if you aren’t positive I’m town.

[Bowser Jr.]

Anyone who calls that AtE is getting post restricted.

[Bowser Jr.]

Probably something along the lines of us only acting on nights the loverizer did.

Which is a fair statement. I was too lazy.

[Bowser Jr.]

We are Puck and started with 1 coin. At Night, we are able to target a player and assign them a post restriction. If we spent 4 coins, we could learn something else about our role (this line in our PM let us know that we there was an aspect of our role that we didn't know and I kinda wanted to just never use the post restrict until learning what it was in case it was something harmful but notty really wanted to mess with Bell).

We post restricted Bell Night 1.

We spent the coins on Night 2 and learned the following: If we targeted Oberon's Flower, we got a neighborhood with them. If we targeted Titania, we would lose our role permanently, but have the opportunity to buy one more use of it for 5 coins.

Unless notty went rogue without me, we did not use our ability again until last Night on Pav.

I think that's everything.

Fun fact: Before we knew exactly what our post restriction did (other than post restrict, of course) I thought WE were the ones that accidentally loverized Bell with Galron and I was afraid we threw lol

~Spiffy

[Bowser Jr.]

Fun fact: Before we knew exactly what our post restriction did (other than post restrict, of course) I thought WE were the ones that accidentally loverized Bell with Galron and I was afraid we threw lol

This anxiety was exacerbated by us being Puck and it making perfect sense

~Spiffy

[Bowser Jr.]

Because he’s a towel

[Bowser Jr.]

What are we bluffing about?

~Spiffy

[Bowser Jr.]

I just spent a month in a futile argument with Pooky to try and unpocket Cakez who proceeded to ignore a mech guilty. I really would rather not have to deal with another MELO slap fight.

Like I understand I said it in game so it is something that you can try to read but this is more “I don’t have spoons” than a bluff

If push comes to shove and I have to I have to. But I’d rather just die here if people are waffling on us.

[Bowser Jr.]

Please be careful skybird!

[Bowser Jr.]

There’s like six posts total. When it’s down to this many people it’s not a good idea to keep much discussion in a hood anyways.

[Bowser Jr.]

Logic says it’s bowser, but my gut/paranoia says it’s in Pav/Dunn.

[Bowser Jr.]

I speak in meme. Wait for bell to check in.

[Bowser Jr.]

That one liner is exclusively for his benefit because you aren’t going to dig through 340 pages

[Bowser Jr.]

I agree it’s probably bowser we should kill them today

Why did my phone log me in to milo

[Bowser Jr.]

I’m back and forth between pretending you got right and then memeing about how logic never fails.

I’d mostly just feel relieved to be honest.

[Bowser Jr.]

Like I understand you’re trying to associative hunt but I feel like given things that LITERALLY JUST ENDED you should know that’s kinda futile. But I know you won’t ever fully trust me again after bloodstained which is why I’d rather you deal with this all now and not tomorrow so scum don’t do the easy leave bell alive to be paranoid of notty thing because I really don’t feel like doing another 3P as the top suspect.

I also think you should be skeptical that Dunn is side eyeing me for grandstanding when you (and he) are WELL aware that’s a personality trait not really super AI (and if it is AI, frankly more likely to be town than anything but you can’t really trust self meta so whatever)

[Bowser Jr.]

My reservation with Pav is I can easily see his “unlocking” thing being like, final scum alive or something. I’m not saying that happened, but I dunno. It’s not going to be my problem, frankly!

[Bowser Jr.]

I was saying that Cakez went through all this effort looking at associatives that proved fruitless, I know you aren’t him and I do trust you more than him (this is buddying I learned how to do it from pooks)

I’d also I wasn’t super pessimistic just realistic. I don’t think Cakez ever townreads me lol. And given how the game had gone to that point: (read: him overruling a mech guilty) it just seemed like what he’d do. And frankly, I’m still mad too. I’m not mad we lost. I’m mad he dragged it out.

If you don’t want to kill us and we miss I will effort if I have to, I just am gassed (just as I’m sure you are) but I will put up a fight purely out of spite.

[Bowser Jr.]

And frankly neither spiffy nor I want to deal with melo but I also feel like I can’t chide Kobas selfhammer if I tell y’all to kill me first so I dunno.

[Bowser Jr.]

In sorry I keep saying and frankly I’m trying to find cookie recipes to make a shopping list for tomorrow.

[Bowser Jr.]

Bell you know at this point I can replicate what town me would say so regardless of the situation the thoughts I just shared are genuine

[Bowser Jr.]

And yes, Cakez went back and looked and was talking about how Pooky “pushed them” and we didn’t despite there not being scum in my town bloc with me playing how I typically do.

[Bowser Jr.]

You didn’t have to convince me! I was voting him

[Bowser Jr.]

Fun fact: Before we knew exactly what our post restriction did (other than post restrict, of course) I thought WE were the ones that accidentally loverized Bell with Galron and I was afraid we threw lol

This is town, dammit

The quote Pav is quoting here is from the post spiffy put our full claim in.

[Bowser Jr.]

I candidly have been wondering if pav is town, who’s “condition” is us activating the hood, and I trolled by not submitting the PR so we can get a hood together earlier

[Bowser Jr.]

*thats* why I’m Holding back

Also part of me still wants to die lol

[Bowser Jr.]

Instead I guess I'll have to settle for doing that exact same thing without less comfort.
I'mma vote you if you don't vote Pavowski.
*arm twist*

-Bell

Don’t threaten me with a good time

[Bowser Jr.]

VOTE: Dunn

Fight the power

[Bowser Jr.]

God damnit bell you can’t AtF from the town slot you have to do it from the lim pool

[Bowser Jr.]

VOTE: Pav

Bells a towel

[Bowser Jr.]

Unless this is right then Dunn’s the towel

[Bowser Jr.]

Hey bell

Are you ready for the I told you so

[Bowser Jr.]

Also I should have just let bell kill me.

[Bowser Jr.]

Dunn do you have reads to share before you vote?

[Bowser Jr.]

Hey Bell, I have a fun fact for you. Do you want to hear it?

[Bowser Jr.]

Well yes, but also no

[Bowser Jr.]

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Dunn doesn’t fake claim truthfully

[Bowser Jr.]

I’m pretty sure he steals potions or a role or something

[Bowser Jr.]

Pav said something about banquo and Macbeth making sense in some way of copying something but I didn’t really understand it

[Bowser Jr.]

That your argument about “who makes sense as a loverizer in my play” doesn’t hold up

[Bowser Jr.]

It's proven that I'm part of the play 'macbeth' due to me being in aneighborhood with Titus and Cephrir/Enchant

Your fakeclaim flavir in isekai was from the same source material as your real claim. Same principle applies

[Bowser Jr.]

Okay, yeah sure. Out with what COF lied about and how it explains your push there.

Notty. What does town Spiffy in elo look like?

-Bell

He asked me if I’m sure you aren’t scum.

Also dun didn’t follow his post restriction so I don’t think his vote counted

[Bowser Jr.]

God damnit dunn stop ruining my fun

[Bowser Jr.]

Hey bell do I have to have the “fucking stupid nightkill if we’re scum” talk or are you going to do that math

[Bowser Jr.]

bowser is obvtown

Notty this is why I wanted to post restrict him with "Voting for Bowser Jr. results in a Town loss", so he wouldn't be able to get away with this!!!

~Spiffy

[Bowser Jr.]

bowser is obvtown

Notty this is why I wanted to post restrict him with "Voting for Bowser Jr. results in a Town loss", so he wouldn't be able to get away with this!!!

~Spiffy

What kind of game has a post-restricter that steals votes + 1 shot-loverizer or something anyway.

-Bell

We’d have to be able to visit four unique targets (I know it was TEXHNICALLY three) in one night which seems a bit lolsy

[Bowser Jr.]

Also hi Bell I'm here if you like need stuff from me I'm happy to help you make the correct choice in any way I can, I just figured notty could take the lead because he knew a lot more about the goings on in the game than I have!

~Spiffy

[Bowser Jr.]

Which makes sense in a role madness game as a fun but not impactful ability

We also get a neighborize if we hit the right target

It works for Dunn too!

If Dunn’s town that means his only ability is an anon crier when the other criers have flipped extra shit

[Bowser Jr.]

I would like to mention that Dunn JUST being a (macho?) crier is kinda just unimaginitive compared to the other on roles I recall being flipped

Like I feel like everyone else had something special and all he's claimed is a crier. Comparing it to our own where we have an option to purchase info about our role, the neighborhize and vanillize if targeting certain players in our play, and the option to buy one more shot if we end up getting vanilized, etc.

This is coming from someone who has read maybe two or three role PMs max from the flipped players so take this with a grain of salt I guess but that's something that stuck out to me.

PEdit: Did you claim that before?

~Spiffy

[Bowser Jr.]

Because that’s totally verifiable and not an easy fakeclaim!

[Bowser Jr.]

See subject. May or may not use the PR, will message later if so.

Acknowledged!

Thou hast learned wondrous things about thy ability:

Shouldst thou target Oberon's Flower, thou shalt gain a neighborhood with them.

Shouldst thou target Titania, thou shalt lose thy ability and become naught but a vanilla player, though thou hast the option to buy one more shot for

5 gold coins

.

This was information we learned about our role. Note that if we targeted Titania we would be vanillized and have the option to buy a shot of our ability again for five coins.

I assume Bell becoming vanilla gave him this same opportunity. So I don't think this is an error.

~Spiffy

[Bowser Jr.]

Congrats Bell! I was rooting for you by the end

But y tho.

-Bell

I wanted you to get revenge on notty for bloodstained lmao.

He had you completely convinced he was town, and you got to return the favor

This is why I’m not pressed in the least

[Bowser Jr.]

LOL

[Bowser Jr.]

I was very upset he waited so long to write a couplet

[Bowser Jr.]

I genuinely enjoyed playing with you Pav! Hope to see you in another game sometime so we can duke it out