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[Dwlee99]

First
VOTE: ythan

[Dwlee99]

I really hope to DETECT the mafia while I'm CHECKING if people look SUSPICIOUS in my JAIL that is also a GUNSMITH and that no one finds my illegal DOCTOR practice

[Dwlee99]

Look at the first letter of each word!!!

[Dwlee99]

Idcsjgd

Exactly!

[Dwlee99]

ok so i did some really in depth analysis and i'm 98.6% sure Dwlee99 and mozamis are mafia. im not sure who the other members on their team are but i will probably figure that out by page 5 give or take a couple of pages

VOTE: Dwlee99

You're bad at this in-depth analysis thing

[Dwlee99]

Has everyone even posted yet

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: NM

[Dwlee99]

Okay

[Dwlee99]

Even if he isn't real don't shoot him @vig

Not a good idea

If I were a vig I wouldn't shoot NM tonight

VOTE: ugly duck

[Dwlee99]

Shooting gives us two chances to get an extra town-controlled kill, so it's good

[Dwlee99]

Did you mention that we can get an extra one though

Cause if you're on odds and you only get one shot it isn't another town controlled kill cause you use an elimination

You also get conftown though in a closed which is good

[Dwlee99]

I don't want to bog down the thread talking about this but the idea is if you're on, say, 6 - 2, and you lim someone, you enter night 5 - 2 (or 6 - 1), and then you end night on odds (scum kill + vigilante kill) giving you, say 3 - 2, which is an extra town kill than if the vigilante didn't shoot and you entered the next day 4 - 2 (which is still ELO of some form w/ or w/o the vig shot)

[Dwlee99]

Okay let's no lim

VOTE: No Lim

After all, we are more likey to kill scum than town here

[Dwlee99]

Town than scum*

[Dwlee99]

Cause NM is funny

[Dwlee99]

2021 and we're talking about how vigs work.

I haven't checked but there could be easily be players in this game younger than this topic.

I know right

Also people aren't playing this game what a shame

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: ssbm_kyouko
This needs pressure

[Dwlee99]

Vote Kyo with me

[Dwlee99]

No elimination is silly. @DW what are you doing? The point about perhaps the Vigilante not shooting with limited information is totally valid btw. In fact, I would be looking for Scum amongst the players not really contributing. What you want is to make yourself hard to read so the potential shot from the Vigilante is less likely to catch Scum.

It was sarcasm

Now I'm on Kyo who hasn't done anything

[Dwlee99]

Fivehead

If you scumread me vote me

[Dwlee99]

Kyo is an actual vote

I have history with her and if I'm lucky I'll have learned a thing or two from Koba on reading her by now

[Dwlee99]

I think koba not being here is AI yes

No opinion on Fua rn

[Dwlee99]

Kyo* jeez

[Dwlee99]

1.) I want to play with Kyo
2.) Kyo not playing
3.) Try to get Kyo to play

[Dwlee99]

Are we gonna have a repeat of the 236 conversation

Anyway, no clue why you're pushing them out but if I put in some effort I could probably figure it out

[Dwlee99]

Alr

Also, "do some damage" might just mean you figure stuff out and I push town LOL

But okay yea I'll look into it once I'm sitting down somewhere. Rn I'm mobile posting outdoors

[Dwlee99]

Are we gonna have a repeat of the 236 conversation

Anyway, no clue why you're pushing them out but if I put in some effort I could probably figure it out

I’m trying to get you to engage with me because I know we can do some damage if we just align properly. So I want you to try and read my mind to see if we have some of the same views for the game. If we don’t then I’m going to have to detail my view and not really trust you and that would be a shame.

Okay let's take a stab at this

Fua and Mozami appear to be making a similar push in a similar direction independently and without any in thread interaction?

[Dwlee99]

Alice, Uglyduck, and Jackson are the only three that came in and posted without giving a vote

good spot. if we dont PL NM - which we really should - these three seema good place to start.

wow normally these large games are mental, this is really quiet.
fua prvisional town read for his good spot about people posting without voting.

and these posts without response from fua could be either TMI that Fua is town or a weak reason to plop a townread on a buddy
VOTE: Mozami

[Dwlee99]

Poggers

[Dwlee99]

False actually

[Dwlee99]

Thank you for the compliment on my frog hat

[Dwlee99]

Hi Kyo ^-^

[Dwlee99]

Wagon dissolving with no posting from the person the wagon is on

Yes this is completely natural hmm

[Dwlee99]

Wagon dissolving with no posting from the person the wagon is on

Yes this is completely natural hmm

No matter how scum indicative silence is for ssbm, I will not be voting a slot with one post. That makes no sense to me and had it gone through, it would've been a zero info flip regardless of flip.

A wagon forming isn't the same as it going through

This happens every game and for what

[Dwlee99]

The thing I'm saying is that when Kyo came back I wanted there to be votes on her already. I think I got one or MAYBE two people to vote with me. There was no way that wagon was just going to completely go through because that's not how wagons work.

[Dwlee99]

Wherever my vote is it is still there

[Dwlee99]

Isn't mozami caught

[Dwlee99]

4.5 days since they posted

There was a case against them

We got some votes

Feels like people have a short attention span and want to go elsewhere

[Dwlee99]

Idk how close we are to hammer so be careful but yea

[Dwlee99]

Truly

[Dwlee99]

Nm probably looking for vote count

I agree with Andres' posts

[Dwlee99]

Mozami prodded 3 days ago

[Dwlee99]

I feel like when dwlee is willing to push on NAI things like activity it's scum-indicative from them, usually they're averse to that kind of thing

Oh god are you scum

[Dwlee99]

Why am I a hard town read? I've been kinda low effort

[Dwlee99]

Also if you were mafia you would have thanked me for the TR instead of questioning it.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. I had a game where I incorrectly town read Dwlee, and they not only questioned me for it, they death tunneled me. It's not out of their scum range to do it again.

Wasn't fua in this game

[Dwlee99]

Idk

Scum be scummin

Do you think scum are chilling on or off wagon or both

[Dwlee99]

Fua is probably scum here hm

[Dwlee99]

Please murder me tonight fua

No one will remember my screams

[Dwlee99]

UNVOTE:
BREATHE

[Dwlee99]

It's so warm and cozy :pleading:

[Dwlee99]

So do you think Andres is scum??

[Dwlee99]

Okay I'm going to assume town then

The interaction with me would be sooo funny if he is scum though

[Dwlee99]

This slot needs to get executed. Like now. Not sure why we’re giving this slot any room to operate.

@ me next time

[Dwlee99]

Okay I'm going to assume town then

The interaction with me would be sooo funny if he is scum though

I'd pay myself on the back, that's some good theatre lol.

wouldn't it only be theatre if I was scum??

[Dwlee99]

Okay I'm going to assume town then

The interaction with me would be sooo funny if he is scum though

I'd pay myself on the back, that's some good theatre lol.

wouldn't it only be theatre if I was scum??

I thought it was the assumption we're both scum?

Huh, I was talking about how andres' interaction with me would be funny if he is scum

[Dwlee99]

I think that's how I always respond to that stuff hmm

[Dwlee99]

I'm sad because I knew Fua was pr and if they weren't night killed I could have been like "I kill Fua for being a PR but I didn't so I'm town"

[Dwlee99]

I'm sad because I knew Fua was pr and if they weren't night killed I could have been like "I kill Fua for being a PR but I didn't so I'm town"

You don't want to actually talk about the content that's just happened? Just useless self-image stuff?

Yea

Like how you changed your profile picture

[Dwlee99]

I'd vote Kyo sure

[Dwlee99]

My brain hurts so bad rn

I think I need to drink more water

Okay bye

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

[Dwlee99]

Why would we flip Andres instead of just the other two

[Dwlee99]

Kyouko you kinda just seem like scum here

Any thoughts on that

[Dwlee99]

Why would we flip Andres instead of just the other two

To pin them both to the cross

But if you think andres is town...

[Dwlee99]

I'd rather not flip andres

[Dwlee99]

A50 you literally just did the "don't lim me" strategy LOL

VOTE: A50

Okay hear me out

I agree meta is bad

Monkey I normally end up townreading

I'm placing my vote then gonna iso him

[Dwlee99]

I will crumb my result that I had no result and will endgame

A50 you make me want to funny pass you :'(

[Dwlee99]

Well I am voting you

[Dwlee99]

So? It's not "voting me" that set me off. It's LYING about having a meta tell that doesn't even exist. Like I did that in ONE game. ONE LOUSY GAME in SIX YEARS.

Meta so bad

But like, are you scum here

[Dwlee99]

A50 it'd be nice if you did something readable though

[Dwlee99]

Wow
VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

[Dwlee99]

I'm around

[Dwlee99]

Eh Kyo could flip scum here

[Dwlee99]

Someone hammer pls

[Dwlee99]

Terrible vig shot hmmm

[Dwlee99]

Kyoko really flipped scum and in addition a doctor. Dwlee is town from this flip for sure. He is not stupid to bus a doctor.

I am actually shocked that I wasn't shot.

Let's goooo

[Dwlee99]

I don't want to speak for Alice but I do have thoughts on that, three

Let's see if Alice is thinking what I'm thinking

[Dwlee99]

RCEnigma - 4: Save The Dragons, Andresvmb, Ythan, ILUVYTHAN

+ Almost is where I am at today.

Uhh this looks like it was meant for scum PT
VOTE: Ugly duck

[Dwlee99]

RCEnigma - 4: Save The Dragons, Andresvmb, Ythan, ILUVYTHAN

+ Almost is where I am at today.

Uhh this looks like it was meant for scum PT
VOTE: Ugly duck

No it doesn't. Usr your brain it was the town counterwagon to a scum lynch.

Or, it was a list of people they thought would shoot RCE

[Dwlee99]

okay maybe I was tired when reading that

UNVOTE:

[Dwlee99]

Or maybe you jump to conclusions without thinking. Definitely hasn't happened before. Nah never

Kinda rude

[Dwlee99]

I don't really want JV to endgame though, so am fine killing him now

[Dwlee99]

I could see it be frustrated scum kind of just throwing in the towel.

But eh, we can do this

VOTE: Andres

[Dwlee99]

I wish I had vigilante powers

I would always shoot scum smh

[Dwlee99]

And to whoever said that RCE was a bad shot - screw you. The guy was defending Kyouko by calling them aimless Scum and joined that wagon super late when it looked inevitable. Yeah I though about shooting JacksonVirgo but I read them as Town and their reaction here makes me think they’re Town still.

It was a bad shot sorry my guy

UNVOTE:

[Dwlee99]

And to whoever said that RCE was a bad shot - screw you. The guy was defending Kyouko by calling them aimless Scum and joined that wagon super late when it looked inevitable. Yeah I though about shooting JacksonVirgo but I read them as Town and their reaction here makes me think they’re Town still.

It was a bad shot sorry my guy

UNVOTE:

You would have shot Jackson who is Town so haha

I probably would have shot alice, actually

[Dwlee99]

STD is... in this game?

VOTE: Save the Dragons

[Dwlee99]

The vibe is that STD is my partner and I'm bussing him and that I am pretending I didn't know he was in the game so that I can get that sweet sweet towncred and endgame

[Dwlee99]

Going on a whim.

VOTE: Dwelee

Your whims are bad

[Dwlee99]

Y'know we should have just wagoned JV because instead we outed the vigilante and JV feels the need to just wagon town. Literally doesn't matter what alignment they are we should have yeeted them

[Dwlee99]

Choke on my town flip

[Dwlee99]

I'm not voting you because other people don't want to. They want to leave you alive for some reason. You should be already out of the game imo but whatever hopefully andres will shoot you

[Dwlee99]

It isn't about my image, it's about consolidation wtf

[Dwlee99]

It isn't about my image, it's about consolidation wtf

The way you voted was not about consolidation, you would have said something along those lines when you voted but nope you shaded STD instead.

You are opportunistic and it's sad.

The way I voted? You mean after multiple other people did? So consolidating onto someone? Smh

[Dwlee99]

JV you literally called us all stupid for voting you and now you're calling Dwlee scum because they're no longer voting you.

I called y'all stupid just because I was venting, not that I disagree with the read on me as I did push against a scum-flip technically but that does not excuse that they're not even consistant with their "reads". They want me dead so bad but nothing points to that.

They even say that if they were vig they would not have even shot me, like u wot m8.

Spoiler:

I don't really want JV to endgame though, so am fine killing him now

I could see it be frustrated scum kind of just throwing in the towel.

But eh, we can do this

VOTE: Andres

I wish I had vigilante powers

I would always shoot scum smh

And to whoever said that RCE was a bad shot - screw you. The guy was defending Kyouko by calling them aimless Scum and joined that wagon super late when it looked inevitable. Yeah I though about shooting JacksonVirgo but I read them as Town and their reaction here makes me think they’re Town still.

It was a bad shot sorry my guy

UNVOTE:

And to whoever said that RCE was a bad shot - screw you. The guy was defending Kyouko by calling them aimless Scum and joined that wagon super late when it looked inevitable. Yeah I though about shooting JacksonVirgo but I read them as Town and their reaction here makes me think they’re Town still.

It was a bad shot sorry my guy

UNVOTE:

You would have shot Jackson who is Town so haha

I probably would have shot alice, actually

STD is... in this game?

VOTE: Save the Dragons

Where's the consistency.

This isn't inconsistent, I would have had to make the vig shot at night before this day phase, so I would have shot Alice. If I had a day shot yea I'd kill you right now mainly cause you're being annoying

[Dwlee99]

jv and aliceK

Not bad...

[Dwlee99]

Three - yes I know. I am just asking based on everyone being like "they will hammer anything". As in - That was gonna happen no matter who it was, or no?

Yes.

We can test it if you'd like by putting StD at E-1.

LOL

[Dwlee99]

You need more scumreads

[Dwlee99]

I townread aaron and multiple people were saying not to get JV .—.

anyway

VOTE: Jackson Virgo

I'm good killing both this and Alice. If both flip town then yea I'll try to hard effort cause I assume I'll be the next night kill after you, Andres

[Dwlee99]

Andres we shouldn't end day early this time because I think you're gonna do good analysis that I can use as a backbone for figuring things out once we gets some flips

Do I need to effort? Yes probably, break just started which means maybe I'll find some time (or maybe I'll spend all of it with friends/etc. and be around even less, we will see) but I definitely plan to effort after my Thanksgiving break.

VOTE: AliceK

Placing my vote here because she has been super lukewarm etc.

[Dwlee99]

Like you carried mini 2232

jk

[Dwlee99]

Andres I agree ythan hasn't done anything townie really. I'm not really sure how to read him though

[Dwlee99]

Like you carried mini 2232

jk

What game was that?

2 scum game, you were my scum partner and replaced out pretty early I think. Was just teasing

[Dwlee99]

I don't do meta

[Dwlee99]

We are at like 2 days, nothing has happened, and it's Thanksgiving break

Oofers

Andres tell us what we are doing

[Dwlee99]

You should take a shot regardless of Alice flip. Only downside could be shooting gunsmith

[Dwlee99]

You should take a shot regardless of Alice flip. Only downside could be shooting gunsmith

Yeah I’m a bit worried about this. To be honest I’ve always thought of Vigs as negative utility.

With your second shot we get an extra town directed kill. Otherwise we will just be on evens

[Dwlee99]

We should flip one of Alice/STD and then on a green flip shoot the other?

[Dwlee99]

I'll be around to join either

[Dwlee99]

We should flip one of Alice/STD and then on a green flip shoot the other?

what happened to agreeing with me about JV?

I think Alice/STD is likely to contain a scum. Cause Alice made big wall

[Dwlee99]

We should flip one of Alice/STD and then on a green flip shoot the other?

what happened to agreeing with me about JV?

I think Alice/STD is likely to contain a scum. Cause Alice made big wall

k but how did std come into the mix over JV?

Alice wall

[Dwlee99]

Alice you feel scummy

Which is what I said to kyo and I was right

[Dwlee99]

If I'm wrong, sheeping your strongest read seems a fair trade to me though

[Dwlee99]

Andres did you shoot JV?

[Dwlee99]

Why aren't there two flips

[Dwlee99]

We should check if we are in autowin, but I don't feel like counting rn

[Dwlee99]

Almost50 - 0
Aaron - 0
Not_Mafia - 0
Dwlee99 - 0
ILUVYTHAN - 0
Ythan - 0
Save The Dragons - 0
Three - 0
UglyDuck - 0
Andresvmb - 0

Okay, so let's say gunsmith has two innos. Then with their claim, we would get to a lim pool of 6 and 4 confirmed town.

4 - 5 - 1

If we mislim and Andres' shot misses scum, we are in one of two worlds

(Andres kill world)
4 - 3 - 1
(Gunsmith no guilty)
3 - 2 - 1
2 - 1 - 1
50/50 MELO

(Gunsmith kill world)
3 - 4 - 1
(If Andres misses another shot and mislim)
2 - 2 - 1
1 - 1 - 1
50/50 MELO

okay, so if gunsmith has two innos and outs we are guaranteed to win assuming we can agree on ONE person that can't be scum.

Now obviously I'd like that person to be me, if gunsmith doesn't have an inno on me already. I'd hope I wouldn't be checked because I don't think I bus both my partners like that, both with power roles, and I'd also hope people are willing to bet the game on me being town. Soo yea, gunsmith should claim here to make this p much autowin. (Please don't tell me you checked JV or Andres or whoever else has died)

[Dwlee99]

GS target doesn't get confirmed if GS gets shot

[Dwlee99]

Wait did I do my math wrong

Idk, NM claimed

[Dwlee99]

That'd be cap

[Dwlee99]

ILUVYTHAN > Save The Dragons > Three > UglyDuck > Almost50

Wins if NM isn't lying again

VOTE: ILUVYTHAN

[Dwlee99]

Oh it's formatted weird. Note that it's 4 - 3 - 1, cause Andres dies and a GS inno replaces him

[Dwlee99]

Gunsmith kill world is actually wrong, it should be 2 - 1 - 1 still

[Dwlee99]

A50 I purposefully made it look like they were equally optimal in case scum got lazy and picked the one that put us in autowin lol

[Dwlee99]

If we get to me/a50 then that would be very obnoxious

[Dwlee99]

If game isn't over after this lim:
Gunsmith check STD
Vig shoot Uglyduck
Please follow this in case day ends

[Dwlee99]

If game isn't over after this lim:
Gunsmith check STD
Vig shoot Uglyduck
Please follow this in case day ends

Why in the absolute world would I be the shot over the check in that line up?

Doesn't matter to me

[Dwlee99]

Do we have NM + Andres agreeing on who they're checking/shooting?

[Dwlee99]

Aaron do you think ugly/three are scummier or townier than me?

[Dwlee99]

All three wagons on scum were pure. Kinda insane

GG all