Open 838 – ISITMAINAC [Endgame]

[RH9]

Hello all.
VOTE: Not_Mafia

[RH9]

Will wait for more people to come but here's a question.
What do you think of people who like to sheep confirmed Town?

[RH9]

Will wait for more people to come but here's a question.
What do you think of people who like to sheep confirmed Town?

Depends on the situation mostly imo. I sometimes sheep conftown or my strong townread if I struggle in that moment or I can't read that specific player.

That's similar to what I do. What a coincidence! I tend to do that when I trust that the person who I'm sheeping and I can't think of anybody to push.

[RH9]

The flavour is fun, I like it.

VOTE: StrangeMatter

Anyone who can correctly guess why StrangeMatter is scum gets a Day 1 pass from me.

Because you think that StrangeMatter is scum and you have a 100% readrate on them?

[RH9]

I'm particularly waiting for STD to say something.

Acetaminophen

STD! StrangeMatter is going to be so happy!
You mentioned "an analgesic drug used to relieve mild or chronic pain and to reduce fever" which is also known as "paracetamol".

[RH9]

I'm particularly waiting for STD to say something.

Acetaminophen

STD! StrangeMatter is going to be so happy!
You mentioned "an analgesic drug used to relieve mild or chronic pain and to reduce fever" which is also known as "paracetamol".

Which may also be known as Panadol or Tylenol.

[RH9]

I need to be quiet.

[RH9]

Ok. I'll let the others catch up even though, this is only the 21st post.

[RH9]

People love being snarky, huh. I was asking why did you think I decided to vote for StrangeMatter.

RH9, I've never played with StrangeMatter before, it's not a meta read. Say, is there any alignment-indicative information you can get from your question in 12, or is it just fluff?

I admit. It kind of was to get a conversation going.

[RH9]

Strange Matter/Nathann exchange is a lot of words about nothing. I need to read how experienced players are harder to read? Also, water is wet..

Also not a fan of “not knowing who IC is”…

I don't think not know who the ic is is not that big of a deal on your entry. Do you read every mod post before rvs?

Well, I do. I read everything, or almost everything.

[RH9]

Is that some sorta sarcasm that's going over my head, or do you genuinely think 49 is townie?

Assuming this is to me.. no, it’s not sarcasm. It read as a concerned townie post.

What do you mean by concerned townie?

Concerned townie post: “I’m just worried about scum *insert thing to be concerned about, but not really caring about here* “

By "not caring about here" do you mean this game or at this point in the game or something else?

I’m having trouble explaining, it’s like(again this is my poor attempt at describing) someone pointing out something others should be wary of but most people instinctvly think it.but more in just passing and not making it a “thing”.

“If we don’t lynch someone today that helps scum” is an example. I’m just at work and my brain is fried and I’m struggling for a good explanation here.

FYI, we stopped using the l-word since like last year. See this announcement by zoraster.

[RH9]

Is that some sorta sarcasm that's going over my head, or do you genuinely think 49 is townie?

Assuming this is to me.. no, it’s not sarcasm. It read as a concerned townie post.

What do you mean by concerned townie?

Concerned townie post: “I’m just worried about scum *insert thing to be concerned about, but not really caring about here* “

By "not caring about here" do you mean this game or at this point in the game or something else?

I’m having trouble explaining, it’s like(again this is my poor attempt at describing) someone pointing out something others should be wary of but most people instinctvly think it.but more in just passing and not making it a “thing”.

“If we don’t lynch someone today that helps scum” is an example. I’m just at work and my brain is fried and I’m struggling for a good explanation here.

FYI, we stopped using the l-word since like last year. See this announcement by zoraster.

Oh great. I sound like a parrot.

[RH9]

RH9, who's scum?

IDK but StrangeMatter's strangely focused on STD. It's getting on my nerves and since it's way past RVS.
UNVOTE: Not_Mafia

[RH9]

Honestly, StrangeMatter mentioned Salsabil Faria too in 80, but is just focusing way too much on STD. (Salsabil Faria, can I just refer to you as Salsa, like StrangeMatter does, in the future in case I misspell your name?)
P-edit: VOTE: StrangeMatter
StrangeMatter, please explain your focus on STD over Salsabil Faria.

[RH9]

rh9 and by extension adse are IC approved votes.

Thank you. You are officially the best scumhunter in the world, surpassing Cabd.
(Why did nobody realise how good I am before? I once even defeated the whole of Town, on another site, as SK. I survived to F3 and eliminated the last Town member.)

[RH9]

Is that some sorta sarcasm that's going over my head, or do you genuinely think 49 is townie?

Assuming this is to me.. no, it’s not sarcasm. It read as a concerned townie post.

What do you mean by concerned townie?

Concerned townie post: “I’m just worried about scum *insert thing to be concerned about, but not really caring about here* “

By "not caring about here" do you mean this game or at this point in the game or something else?

I’m having trouble explaining, it’s like(again this is my poor attempt at describing) someone pointing out something others should be wary of but most people instinctvly think it.but more in just passing and not making it a “thing”.

“If we don’t lynch someone today that helps scum” is an example. I’m just at work and my brain is fried and I’m struggling for a good explanation here.

FYI, we stopped using the l-word since like last year. See this announcement by zoraster.

Oh great. I sound like a parrot.

Although I definitely didn't word that well I'm waiting to see content from you in particular, STD.

why

Can you answer this please?

Is there anyone else you would like to hear from specifically?

STD do you have any thoughts about the conversation that's been going on so far?

You did it here too, why?

RH9, who's scum?

IDK but StrangeMatter's strangely focused on STD. It's getting on my nerves and since it's way past RVS.
UNVOTE: Not_Mafia

I have a couple problems here.

Where was the defining line in RVS being over, in your mind.

Also,

Did you miss my post where I said the exact same thing you did about this person being so focused on Shaeffer the Darklord. Sorry STD, Also the abbreviation for “standard”

RVS is over when everybody has made their first vote and discussion is starting. I didn't miss your post. But, I forgot to mention it.

[RH9]

StrangeMatter is obviously town.

Why would Town focus on only one player unless they highly TR Salsabil Faria?

[RH9]

rh9 and by extension adse are IC approved votes.

Why am I related to RH9?

Because you don't SR me.

[RH9]

Honestly, StrangeMatter mentioned Salsabil Faria too in 80, but is just focusing way too much on STD. (Salsabil Faria, can I just refer to you as Salsa, like StrangeMatter does, in the future in case I misspell your name?)
P-edit: VOTE: StrangeMatter
StrangeMatter, please explain your focus on STD over Salsabil Faria.

I have more experience with STD than Salsa if that’s what you mean. Also I haven’t changed because I don’t want to. Explaining further ruins this as I’ve stated a lot more, and I’m focusing on people one at a time then moving on when I think I have a good read.

I see. Makes sense.
UNVOTE: StrangeMatter

[RH9]

You both did, and I didn’t say it %100 made you snicklefritz, it’s just something that i wanted to question.

You are coming off a little sensitive, though.

I mean, sure. I question negative reads on my slot that don't make sense to me. Call it sensitive if you want.

In other news, I have potentially bad reasons to think ADSE is town. The way they spew takes without any explanation or fluff added seems like they don't care too much about their image (otherwise they would've fabricated some thought process with them), which in my experience more often comes from town. This is potentially bad because this tell isn't that useful with experienced players, and they said they're an alt, so.

Also, I got some townie pings from Save The Dragons. Mostly the fact that, when I first read, I also thought Greeting's tone there is bad, and something something mindmeld. By this point, I'm not sure I still think his tone is scummy there, but Save The Dragons can stay above the null line for now.

Anyone else getting the feeling that Galron is trying to ask all the right questions and seems to be solving, but his heart just isn't in it?

You practically described Galron when he is trying to get townread. I seen it before in Mini Theme 2250.

[RH9]

When he's trying to get townread as town or as scum? What alignment was he in 2250? Is his play here actually similar to that game? Come on, give a bit more info.

He was scum but in that game, he was talking more mechanics. So I would say that not entirely the same.

[RH9]

When he's trying to get townread as town or as scum? What alignment was he in 2250? Is his play here actually similar to that game? Come on, give a bit more info.

He was scum but in that game, he was talking more mechanics. So I would say that not entirely the same.

Specifically he was Mafia that game.

[RH9]

When he's trying to get townread as town or as scum? What alignment was he in 2250? Is his play here actually similar to that game? Come on, give a bit more info.

He was scum but in that game, he was talking more mechanics. So I would say that not entirely the same.

Specifically he was Mafia that game.

And it was an secret alt game.

[RH9]

When he's trying to get townread as town or as scum? What alignment was he in 2250? Is his play here actually similar to that game? Come on, give a bit more info.

He was scum but in that game, he was talking more mechanics. So I would say that not entirely the same.

Specifically he was Mafia that game.

And it was an secret alt game.

And for no reason, I was thought of being Town, despite my entrance in that game being way more scummier.

[RH9]

You both did, and I didn’t say it %100 made you snicklefritz, it’s just something that i wanted to question.

You are coming off a little sensitive, though.

I mean, sure. I question negative reads on my slot that don't make sense to me. Call it sensitive if you want.

In other news, I have potentially bad reasons to think ADSE is town. The way they spew takes without any explanation or fluff added seems like they don't care too much about their image (otherwise they would've fabricated some thought process with them), which in my experience more often comes from town. This is potentially bad because this tell isn't that useful with experienced players, and they said they're an alt, so.

Also, I got some townie pings from Save The Dragons. Mostly the fact that, when I first read, I also thought Greeting's tone there is bad, and something something mindmeld. By this point, I'm not sure I still think his tone is scummy there, but Save The Dragons can stay above the null line for now.

Anyone else getting the feeling that Galron is trying to ask all the right questions and seems to be solving, but his heart just isn't in it?

You practically described Galron when he is trying to get townread. I seen it before in Mini Theme 2250.

I thought Nathan was describing Galron in any game, what about his posts convey the desire to be townread?

I thought that that was what Nathann was saying the latter. I misinterpreted it. Why do I always shade everybody?

[RH9]

Sorry Galron! Don't worry, you are my townlean!

[RH9]

For the record, I don't have a problem with my post being interpreted as "Galron trying to be townread", since that is more or less what I meant. It seems like he's trying to ask the right questions, but it's just not... quite there.

As to how RH9 saw that being similar to his play in another game where he was scum, then decided the plays aren't the same, and then still townreads Galron is beyond me. RH9, why is Galron town?

Galron isn't talking mechanics and seems less opportunistic.

[RH9]

i don't really have reads at this point in time

except for RCEnigma i think he's town

Why? What has he done so far that makes you TR him?

RCEnigma is mod-confirmed.

[RH9]

For the record, I don't have a problem with my post being interpreted as "Galron trying to be townread", since that is more or less what I meant. It seems like he's trying to ask the right questions, but it's just not... quite there.

As to how RH9 saw that being similar to his play in another game where he was scum, then decided the plays aren't the same, and then still townreads Galron is beyond me. RH9, why is Galron town?

Galron isn't talking mechanics and seems less opportunistic.

How does that add to me being town?

Forgot about the SK.

[RH9]

RH9, I'll try to make this clearer:

You said you think Galron is town, and as per 211, it's because he's not talking mechanics and seems less opportunistic. While I don't think that's really a good way to read someone, I'm not sure I get why town!you, who's allegedly townreading Galron, posts 194 - this post seems like you agree with my scumlean on them and are trying to encourage me. Why did you post it?

It was a misinterpretation.

[RH9]

What does 266 even mean??

I forgot that the SK could exist.

[RH9]

Feel like I need to say this. Scorpious, I know that you're the highest poster. However, I would like to say that my highest townread is Nathann. Literally, every post he's made has shown high solving intent. He's been trying to sort everybody and has been acting in a progressive manner. I know this might seem pockety but I am saying this genuinely. I don't care, Nathann, if you don't TR me but I would like to point out how much I am liking your actions.

[RH9]

What does 266 even mean??

I forgot that the SK could exist.

I guess I'm having trouble how SK relates.

I forgot that even though I find that you aren't Mafia, it doesn't mean that you can't be the NK-Immune Miller Vig (if that exists).

[RH9]

What does 266 even mean??

I forgot that the SK could exist.

I got that you were saying you forgot about the possibility of an SK, I'm just not sure how that relates. The explanation for "I think you aren't Mafia, but I don't know whether you're SK" is... fine, I guess, but my problem then is why you're pointing that out with Galron, while you don't seem to be pointing that out with your other townread. What makes you think Galron might be SK, that you don't also extend to me?

If you want, I could.

[RH9]

For the record, I don't have a problem with my post being interpreted as "Galron trying to be townread", since that is more or less what I meant. It seems like he's trying to ask the right questions, but it's just not... quite there.

As to how RH9 saw that being similar to his play in another game where he was scum, then decided the plays aren't the same, and then still townreads Galron is beyond me. RH9, why is Galron town?

Galron isn't talking mechanics and seems less opportunistic.

What do you mean by less opportunistic, and especially what do you mean by mechanics? Also, what pings you as less opportunistic?

Galron would be more into pocketing the first person he sees as Mafia as well as talking about the underlying mechanics of the game instead of solving.

[RH9]

Feel like I need to say this. Scorpious, I know that you're the highest poster. However, I would like to say that my highest townread is Nathann. Literally, every post he's made has shown high solving intent. He's been trying to sort everybody and has been acting in a progressive manner. I know this might seem pockety but I am saying this genuinely. I don't care, Nathann, if you don't TR me but I would like to point out how much I am liking your actions.

What is this, really? I’ve never seen someone be so enamored with a slot, and be so unabashed in saying so.

It’s just weird.

I decided to say this while I had the chance. I want Nathann to know how much I appreciate him.

[RH9]

What does 266 even mean??

I forgot that the SK could exist.

I got that you were saying you forgot about the possibility of an SK, I'm just not sure how that relates. The explanation for "I think you aren't Mafia, but I don't know whether you're SK" is... fine, I guess, but my problem then is why you're pointing that out with Galron, while you don't seem to be pointing that out with your other townread. What makes you think Galron might be SK, that you don't also extend to me?

If you want, I could.

The question wasn't whether you can; the question was why you didn't. I'd like if you answered it. And do you often evade answering questions by making evading comments like these?

OK. I just think that your scumhunting felt more Town than SK.

[RH9]

OK. I just think that your scumhunting felt more Town than SK.

...What about it felt more town than SK? How does one's scumhunting even feel SK-like?

IDK. It's just vibes.

[RH9]

VOTE: Scorpious

RH9's "pocketing" post towards me is one of those posts that I have never seen scum make. The rest of his posts are... infuriating, but I'm wondering if it's my own bias that wants me to keep voting him rather than him being scummy. I'll decide tomorrow.

You do what you want. When 2 replacements are requested, I become meh..I can handle one, but my interest is waining severely. I’m not devoting any extra time to this particular game day anymore.

I’ll be active, and answer whatever you need,because I feel signing up for a game is a commitment to everyone else in the game.

Okay, I can understand that. You shouldn’t blame others for acting accordingly though.

I agree.

[RH9]

OK. I just think that your scumhunting felt more Town than SK.

...What about it felt more town than SK? How does one's scumhunting even feel SK-like?

IDK. It's just vibes.

Now that Nathann has answered, I want to explore this a little more. "Just vibes" can you talk about that more? In practice there shouldn't be difference should there?

Like the feeling of his posts. There is kind of a difference in that Town wants to solve and SK wants to survive to endgame. I feel like he was SK, which I don't think he is, he would just be more passive. Aggression comes up to me as Town solving and wanting to sort, while being passive could be either SK, Mafia, or a PR. However, I'm not going to PR hunting.

[RH9]

OK. I just think that your scumhunting felt more Town than SK.

...What about it felt more town than SK? How does one's scumhunting even feel SK-like?

IDK. It's just vibes.

Now that Nathann has answered, I want to explore this a little more. "Just vibes" can you talk about that more? In practice there shouldn't be difference should there?

Like the feeling of his posts. There is kind of a difference in that Town wants to solve and SK wants to survive to endgame. I feel like he was SK, which I don't think he is, he would just be more passive. Aggression comes up to me as Town solving and wanting to sort, while being passive could be either SK, Mafia, or a PR. However, I'm not going to be PR hunting.

EBWOP

[RH9]

The generalized gamestate take is in a game as sluggish as this one there's probably a handful of scum in the low-content slots but sorting them is impossible unless they actually start contributing it's more or less a crapshoot. There are situations where it can be active scum while town is apathetic and lurks it out, but it feels like there's a little too much discord between the active players for that to be the case.

Which one of the more inactive players do you think can be scum?
And how far have you read? I don't expect you to have read everything because you said that you skimmed. But then, who doesn't skim? I remembered that the first time that I replaced in, I skimmed and ended up with reads which are definitely one of my best. Thus, I'll take your reads as though it is 100% correct.

[RH9]

The generalized gamestate take is in a game as sluggish as this one there's probably a handful of scum in the low-content slots but sorting them is impossible unless they actually start contributing it's more or less a crapshoot. There are situations where it can be active scum while town is apathetic and lurks it out, but it feels like there's a little too much discord between the active players for that to be the case.

Which one of the more inactive players do you think can be scum?
And how far have you read? I don't expect you to have read everything because you said that you skimmed. But then, who doesn't skim? I remembered that the first time that I replaced in, I skimmed and ended up with reads which are definitely one of my best. Thus, I'll take your reads as though it is 100% correct.

...you realize I'm voting you, right?

Yes. What about it?

[RH9]

The generalized gamestate take is in a game as sluggish as this one there's probably a handful of scum in the low-content slots but sorting them is impossible unless they actually start contributing it's more or less a crapshoot. There are situations where it can be active scum while town is apathetic and lurks it out, but it feels like there's a little too much discord between the active players for that to be the case.

Which one of the more inactive players do you think can be scum?
And how far have you read? I don't expect you to have read everything because you said that you skimmed. But then, who doesn't skim? I remembered that the first time that I replaced in, I skimmed and ended up with reads which are definitely one of my best. Thus, I'll take your reads as though it is 100% correct.

...you realize I'm voting you, right?

Yes. What about it?

Why is it so important that you're voting me? I have come across confbias before and it always lead to me getting townread.

[RH9]

Was the comment about taking my reads as though they're 100% correct supposed to be sarcastic, or what?

Yeah, it was intended to be sarcasm, to be honest. I'll italicise it in the future to show that. Sorry.

[RH9]

And 381 was partially inspired by somebody's reaction to STD in a past game that I spectated where STD replaced in and scumread them.
(STD probably knows what I'm talking about.)

[RH9]

And 381 was partially inspired by somebody's reaction to STD in a past game that I spectated where STD replaced in and scumread them.
(STD probably knows what I'm talking about.)

Except that that player was in a different alignment in that game to what I am in this game.
(But I remember that Roden mentioning that this sort of thing has been done, as seen in his post here, in which he mentioned Cook and T3. It was what Roden described as "just some background info on Cook's strat".)

[RH9]

Please elucidate, RH9.

My reaction to

Jacket

was heavily borrowed from the reaction of

Noraa

to

STD

in Open 833. But

Noraa

was a member of the groupscum and

STD

replaced into a slot which was part of the uninformed majority.

However, I'm not a member of the groupscum and hence my self-comparision to

Cook

when she was VT in Newbie 2080 with you and

Roden

.

(Now I'm starting to borrow from

Taly

and

Greeting

in regards to temporarily bolding names.)

[RH9]

Opossum Mafia alt party!

You're talking about this?

[RH9]

Happy birthday, StrangeMatter! Hope you enjoy it! (I remember that my first Newbie game went through my birthday and only Prism wished me a happy birthday. And I'll go back on-topic after this. Just wanted to wish StrangeMatter a happy birthday.)

[RH9]

And Three, how's reading going? I notice that you're online but you haven't posted so I am assuming that you are reading.

[RH9]

And is everything good, Scorpious? Hopefully, we're not too inactive for your liking.

[RH9]

Feel like I need to say this. Scorpious, I know that you're the highest poster. However, I would like to say that my highest townread is Nathann. Literally, every post he's made has shown high solving intent. He's been trying to sort everybody and has been acting in a progressive manner. I know this might seem pockety but I am saying this genuinely. I don't care, Nathann, if you don't TR me but I would like to point out how much I am liking your actions.

See I'm highest poster now, even though I wrote a lot of fluff.

[RH9]

Feel like I need to say this. Scorpious, I know that you're the highest poster. However, I would like to say that my highest townread is Nathann. Literally, every post he's made has shown high solving intent. He's been trying to sort everybody and has been acting in a progressive manner. I know this might seem pockety but I am saying this genuinely. I don't care, Nathann, if you don't TR me but I would like to point out how much I am liking your actions.

See I'm highest poster now, even though I wrote a lot of fluff.

That proves my point that high content count matters. Not high post count.

[RH9]

And Three, how's reading going? I notice that you're online but you haven't posted so I am assuming that you are reading.

Yes, I've been reading. I've been at work so it's been slow catching up, I'm just about done now.

Take your time.

[RH9]

And Three, how's reading going? I notice that you're online but you haven't posted so I am assuming that you are reading.

I don’t like when people do this. So am Into assume you are keeping tabs on everyone like this?

I once saw Greeting do something similar here in Newboe 2082. I'll quote it for you below.

I know this is activity-based meta, but I see frogsfrogs online most of the time I'm around and they have almost three times less posts than I do. They aren't posting in any other games. What's up with that? In 221, Val89 strongly townread frogs, without really saying why.

Maybe I'm being paranoid about this, but I think it should be pointed out.

Though, the circumstances are different because frogfrogs started from the beginning of that game while Three replaced in. That's why I thought that Three was reading. Also frogsfrogs was Mafia Roleblocker, but Three is currently a nullread for me.

[RH9]

Fuck, I’m getting people mixed up now.

Sorry, three..

The question about the one read That’s for jacket. I’m going to bed now

Don't worry. I once mixed up Taly and Titus, which Galron noticed. It was so embarrassing because I looked like I was trying to shade Taly.

[RH9]

And Three, how's reading going? I notice that you're online but you haven't posted so I am assuming that you are reading.

Yes, I've been reading. I've been at work so it's been slow catching up, I'm just about done now.

Are you reading critically or just skimming?

I've had to rewrite my responses to both you and RH9 now because you've both asked questions that deserve sarcastic responses.

Yes I'm reading critically. The first six pages turned my brain to mush though. Is there any particular reason for the boring shit fights that went down back there? I expected to see something come out of it but Strange doesn't even seem to be on anyone's radar anymore. I have them as a town lean personally, but I don't understand why the suspicion towards them dissolved so easily and with so little fanfare when they never gave a satisfying answer about why they were so focused on STD at the beginning.

Bells go off in my head when I read “skimmed”. The fact that you are ingesting the game whole and not coming at us with a “read” from a skim makes me lean town on you and scum on Jacket.

Ok, for real, bed now.

That's the one thing which I partially agree with you on. We're making progress.
(For clarification, I'm talking about the townlean on Three. I did once made a read on Galron based on a skim and it turned out to actually be correct.)

[RH9]

Please elucidate, RH9.

My reaction to

Jacket

was heavily borrowed from the reaction of

Noraa

to

STD

in Open 833. But

Noraa

was a member of the groupscum and

STD

replaced into a slot which was part of the uninformed majority.

However, I'm not a member of the groupscum and hence my self-comparision to

Cook

when she was VT in Newbie 2080 with you and

Roden

.

(Now I'm starting to borrow from

Taly

and

Greeting

in regards to temporarily bolding names.)

Meta much?

Yes. I spectated Open 833 but Newbie 2080 was mentioned in a game that I spectated, Newbie 2082.

[RH9]

Please elucidate, RH9.

My reaction to

Jacket

was heavily borrowed from the reaction of

Noraa

to

STD

in Open 833. But

Noraa

was a member of the groupscum and

STD

replaced into a slot which was part of the uninformed majority.

However, I'm not a member of the groupscum and hence my self-comparision to

Cook

when she was VT in Newbie 2080 with you and

Roden

.

(Now I'm starting to borrow from

Taly

and

Greeting

in regards to temporarily bolding names.)

...why did you copy the reaction of someone who was scum?

Because I realised that Town had the potential to do a similar thing. After all, if you don't act too defensive, there is nothing to be too worried about. And Noraa was acting so casually, that I thought that STD was their scum partner. This is exactly what I said. I have also quoted it below.

Imagine if Noraa and Save The Dragons are the Mafia. (At least, to me, Noraa's interaction with Save The Dragons, makes them fell Scum vs Scum.)

[RH9]

And 381 was partially inspired by somebody's reaction to STD in a past game that I spectated where STD replaced in and scumread them.
(STD probably knows what I'm talking about.)

Except that that player was in a different alignment in that game to what I am in this game.
(But I remember that Roden mentioning that this sort of thing has been done, as seen in his post here, in which he mentioned Cook and T3. It was what Roden described as "just some background info on Cook's strat".)

Please elucidate, RH9.

My reaction to

Jacket

was heavily borrowed from the reaction of

Noraa

to

STD

in Open 833. But

Noraa

was a member of the groupscum and

STD

replaced into a slot which was part of the uninformed majority.

However, I'm not a member of the groupscum and hence my self-comparision to

Cook

when she was VT in Newbie 2080 with you and

Roden

.

(Now I'm starting to borrow from

Taly

and

Greeting

in regards to temporarily bolding names.)

This is also bizarre. I don't understand why you're using meta from players who aren't in this game. I don't get why you're linking the Wiki and user profiles either instead of posts that would support the point you're trying to make. It just seems...busy. Like you're trying to make it look like you're making a case with proper sources when that isn't really what's going on.

I'm doing it to show why I'm acting this way. I'm borrowing from those players.

[RH9]

This is also bizarre. I don't understand why you're using meta from players who aren't in this game. I don't get why you're linking the Wiki and user profiles either instead of posts that would support the point you're trying to make. It just seems...busy. Like you're trying to make it look like you're making a case with proper sources when that isn't really what's going on.

What he meant in regard to me was that he's borrowing mine, and another player's, style of bolding names of players for the purpose of making a point. I don't mind this and I don't see this as odd. By this, I mean this borrowing thing in particular of course.

I am trying to stop but it has been something that I started in Mini 2250, to avoid mainhinting as a secret alt. It has become a part of my playstyle. Sorry.

[RH9]

The generalized gamestate take is in a game as sluggish as this one there's probably a handful of scum in the low-content slots but sorting them is impossible unless they actually start contributing it's more or less a crapshoot. There are situations where it can be active scum while town is apathetic and lurks it out, but it feels like there's a little too much discord between the active players for that to be the case.

Which one of the more inactive players do you think can be scum?
And how far have you read? I don't expect you to have read everything because you said that you skimmed. But then, who doesn't skim? I remembered that the first time that I replaced in, I skimmed and ended up with reads which are definitely one of my best. Thus, I'll take your reads as though it is 100% correct.

...you realize I'm voting you, right?

Yes. What about it?

Why is it so important that you're voting me? I have come across confbias before and it always lead to me getting townread.

Why, instead of confronting a scumread on you, are you deflecting attention?

Because then I will sound over the top defensive.

[RH9]

And 381 was partially inspired by somebody's reaction to STD in a past game that I spectated where STD replaced in and scumread them.
(STD probably knows what I'm talking about.)

Except that that player was in a different alignment in that game to what I am in this game.
(But I remember that Roden mentioning that this sort of thing has been done, as seen in his post here, in which he mentioned Cook and T3. It was what Roden described as "just some background info on Cook's strat".)

Please elucidate, RH9.

My reaction to

Jacket

was heavily borrowed from the reaction of

Noraa

to

STD

in Open 833. But

Noraa

was a member of the groupscum and

STD

replaced into a slot which was part of the uninformed majority.

However, I'm not a member of the groupscum and hence my self-comparision to

Cook

when she was VT in Newbie 2080 with you and

Roden

.

(Now I'm starting to borrow from

Taly

and

Greeting

in regards to temporarily bolding names.)

This is also bizarre. I don't understand why you're using meta from players who aren't in this game. I don't get why you're linking the Wiki and user profiles either instead of posts that would support the point you're trying to make. It just seems...busy. Like you're trying to make it look like you're making a case with proper sources when that isn't really what's going on.

I'm doing it to show why I'm acting this way. I'm borrowing from those players.

Ok but why did you link the wiki and user profiles instead of individual posts or quotes that supported what you were trying to explain?

I thought that I did in 420. The cherry picking is getting on my nerves from somebody who did not skim. And I linked it as a one time gimmick.

[RH9]

I think Jacket replaced in. Got his red pm, and was totally lost because SF had like 2 posts. So he skimmed looking for any mention
Of SF and much to his dismay, found nothing, and is having a tough time generating content because of it. This slot feels… sus, but I’m just a boomer trying to talk like the cool kids.

You are not.

[RH9]

The generalized gamestate take is in a game as sluggish as this one there's probably a handful of scum in the low-content slots but sorting them is impossible unless they actually start contributing it's more or less a crapshoot. There are situations where it can be active scum while town is apathetic and lurks it out, but it feels like there's a little too much discord between the active players for that to be the case.

Which one of the more inactive players do you think can be scum?
And how far have you read? I don't expect you to have read everything because you said that you skimmed. But then, who doesn't skim? I remembered that the first time that I replaced in, I skimmed and ended up with reads which are definitely one of my best. Thus, I'll take your reads as though it is 100% correct.

...you realize I'm voting you, right?

Yes. What about it?

Why is it so important that you're voting me? I have come across confbias before and it always lead to me getting townread.

Why, instead of confronting a scumread on you, are you deflecting attention?

Because then I will sound over the top defensive.

Why is sounding over-the-top defensive a bad thing if you believe what you're saying?

You should know. Galron voted you in D6 for it. I don't want to be misread or misinterpreted. I want the truth to be revealed.

[RH9]

i still like my vote

Same.

VOTE: Scorpius

And 381 was partially inspired by somebody's reaction to STD in a past game that I spectated where STD replaced in and scumread them.
(STD probably knows what I'm talking about.)

Except that that player was in a different alignment in that game to what I am in this game.
(But I remember that Roden mentioning that this sort of thing has been done, as seen in his post here, in which he mentioned Cook and T3. It was what Roden described as "just some background info on Cook's strat".)

Please elucidate, RH9.

My reaction to

Jacket

was heavily borrowed from the reaction of

Noraa

to

STD

in Open 833. But

Noraa

was a member of the groupscum and

STD

replaced into a slot which was part of the uninformed majority.

However, I'm not a member of the groupscum and hence my self-comparision to

Cook

when she was VT in Newbie 2080 with you and

Roden

.

(Now I'm starting to borrow from

Taly

and

Greeting

in regards to temporarily bolding names.)

This is also bizarre. I don't understand why you're using meta from players who aren't in this game. I don't get why you're linking the Wiki and user profiles either instead of posts that would support the point you're trying to make. It just seems...busy. Like you're trying to make it look like you're making a case with proper sources when that isn't really what's going on.

I'm doing it to show why I'm acting this way. I'm borrowing from those players.

Ok but why did you link the wiki and user profiles instead of individual posts or quotes that supported what you were trying to explain?

I thought that I did in 420. The cherry picking is getting on my nerves from somebody who did not skim. And I linked it as a one time gimmick.

I'm not cherry-picking, and post 420 was made after I made my catch up, so that isn't relevant at all to whether or not I skimmed.

I'm telling you that your post came off as fake busy and fake sourced. You linked a bunch of things that didn't require links for a post I honestly don't think was necessary or helpful.

I concede my argument. The truth will come out and I will watch the downfall of all those who misread. However there is still time to prevent this future.

[RH9]

@Cook VC please?
Thank you in advance.

[RH9]

Okay, I'm somewhat alive, let's see.

The generalized gamestate take is in a game as sluggish as this one there's probably a handful of scum in the low-content slots but sorting them is impossible unless they actually start contributing it's more or less a crapshoot. There are situations where it can be active scum while town is apathetic and lurks it out, but it feels like there's a little too much discord between the active players for that to be the case.

I'm not sure I like this post, coupled with the vote on RH9 in the previous one. It seems like he's saying that he feels like this

isn't

the case with active scum and apathetic town, but then he votes one of the more active slots? Not saying that he can't have scumreads inside active players if that's his general view on the gamestate, but it feels odd considering he didn't elaborate on it at all.

I find the wiki links in 390 very funny. Gut is telling me this is townie taking the piss. I know my gut's not to be trusted there, but it's funny.

And Three, how's reading going? I notice that you're online but you haven't posted so I am assuming that you are reading.

I don’t like when people do this. So am Into assume you are keeping tabs on everyone like this?

Does this "not like" mean "I dislike it but I think it's NAI" or "I find it scummy"?

VOTE: ADSE

Are we going to get an explanation?

This post feels like busywork... I think any votes on ADSE are pretty self-explainatory at this stage of the game, have you seen their slot?

Bells go off in my head when I read “skimmed”. The fact that you are ingesting the game whole and not coming at us with a “read” from a skim makes me lean town on you and scum on Jacket.

Uh oh, I think I said I skimmed earlier...

But something I gotta say now is that I don't understand how some players have so many town reads. Because the more I read the more I was just like...how? So many players have scummy tones or are making accusations with nothing to back it up or are making serious votes while giving zero effort in actually getting their scum reads eliminated. It's bizarre.

Considering I'm probably one of those people, I'll answer this for myself - in gamestates like those, where a lot of people appear scummy for certain reasons and there's not much transparent townieness, the bar for a townlean lowers. I mostly do it for my own sanity, since I feel like I need to have

some

townreads to properly function.

Three, do you have any completed scumgames on the site? I'm digging you tonally so far, but you strike me as an experienced player, so I'd like to check that.

After all, if you don't act too defensive, there is nothing to be too worried about.

What does acting defensive have to do with this whole story?

Three might be right in 421, seems like a more logical conclusion than mine. Linking posts would at least make the whole thing easier to follow. Hm.

Bottom of page 17, this game is giving me a headache, I will be back in a short while.

First, thanks for the compliment. Secondly, after reading what you said, I now comprehend Three. I will take this advice to heart. And I guess that I was just read everything wrong and thought that we were arguing about my defensiveness. Sorry all. I will read more clearly in the future.

[RH9]

@Cook VC please?
Thank you in advance.

Why are you holding on to your vote?

Also, Jacket, why the unvote?

I need a definite scumread. I currently just have loads of nullreads, who I need to sort.

[RH9]

You should know. Galron voted you in D6 for it. I don't want to be misread or misinterpreted. I want the truth to be revealed.

But RH9 you said you were afraid to sound ott defensive. When I voted Taly in that Ronald Reagan game, he sounded ott defensive, and he was, indeed, scum. Really if you're town you shouldn't be worrying about what you're sounding like.

Will take this advice to heart.

[RH9]

Something about STD feels odd. Only ADSE has contributed less. Maybe STD is busy so my only scumlean is ADSE.
VOTE: A Dreary Saturday Evening

[RH9]

Something about STD feels odd. Only ADSE has contributed less. Maybe STD is busy so my only scumlean is ADSE.
VOTE: A Dreary Saturday Evening

Lazy vote.

Explain.

[RH9]

Something about STD feels odd. Only ADSE has contributed less. Maybe STD is busy so my only scumlean is ADSE.
VOTE: A Dreary Saturday Evening

Lazy vote.

Explain.

Anyways, you haven't done much solving, admitted to lurking and you expect me not to scumlean you. I am not asking for anything. Even an explanation for your periods of inactivity like others (STD and Nathann) have done is fine. If you can post something which can flip my read, then I might consider unvoting. However, I currently see no reason to do that.

[RH9]

Spoiler:

Skimmed the game. I have a handful of weak-ish townreads and exactly one scumread.

VOTE: RH9

What did you skim to get exactly one scat read?

...the game? It's not that long. I have more than one read. I just don't talk about stuff right away all the time. Right now I'm more interested in poking at things and seeing how people react. And why is it a shit read if you didn't like RH9's posts either?

If the game isn’t that long. You shouldn’t have to skim. Your replacement counterpart said he was reading specifically. It concerns me that you are also making me repeat why I’m using different “s” words. I’m not going to explain why I’m doing it again. You can look and read. I’m not calling your read shit even though I think it may be.

I think Jacket replaced in. Got his red pm, and was totally lost because SF had like 2 posts. So he skimmed looking for any mention
Of SF and much to his dismay, found nothing, and is having a tough time generating content because of it. This slot feels… sus, but I’m just a boomer trying to talk like the cool kids.

I've read none of salsabil's posts. And I'm hardly lost.

Why not? Wouldn’t that be the first thing you do?

VOTE: Jacket

Do you really think I got "lost" reading 15 pages? Do you really think that's a thing that would happen?

I seriously can't fathom where Scorpious is coming from with this push.

I can’t for the life of me remember how to snip quotes. Sorry

Re: Nathann’s question about using site mechanics to know who’s online.

In other sites I’ve played on, it’s blatantly against the rules. So it struck me as off. I don’t think it’s AI,

As far as skimming goes. Depends on the context. I would think a replacement would want to read as critically as possible.skimming to catch up in a game you’ve already been active in is much different.

Hot take: I think this is scum distancing from each other. Scorpius' aggression towards Jacket doesn't read as natural; the moment Jacket replaced in, Scorpius immediately had a bone to pick with him. The attacks he's made feel very over the top, and Scorpius' reasoning for scum reading him feel too weak and manufactured VS how he's actually treating Jacket. Jacket also is barely fighting back and doesn't seem to be showing even a hint of suspicion towards Scorpius despite thinking that the case on him is unfathomable.

Furthermore, Scorpius has decided to further put suspicion on Jacket and is tunneling the "skimming" argument, but doesn't have much else to say about everything else going on in the game. He hasn't even acknowledged mine or anyone else's scum reads on him.

Good catch. I didn't notice it before. I give my greatest thanks to you. Now, Scorpious is a scumlean for me. One less null read. Jacket, I'm not sure, because Jacket could either be '"apethetic Town" or scum. I'll wait for Jacket's response before deciding.

[RH9]

Reading Greeting's readslist brought light to my day. I am way more analytical as a spectator because there are no prod timers. I tend to think more clearly when I don't have to post. It comes more accurately. Strange that only Greeting remembers. I thought that StrangeMatter or STD would have noticed that. I am so happy that somebody still remembers how good of a spectator I was.

[RH9]

VOTE: StrangeMatter

Testing a theory: multiple low-impact posters but they're the one who is getting talked about the least. (Well, besides Not_Mafia, but, well. That's to be expected)

As someone not familiar with them. Could you explain why this is expected? Is this just their play style?

Yes. It is expected. I learnt that from spectating. Not_Mafia tends to act like a he is a Jester.
(Basically what Greeting said.)

[RH9]

FYI, the way that I act as a spectator is the way that I act as Mason, groupscum, or IC because that would be when I feel more confident and thus I focus more on content than other things. I can start doing that if you find that playstyle better.

[RH9]

FYI, the way that I act as a spectator is the way that I act as Mason, groupscum, or IC because that would be when I feel more confident and thus I focus more on content than other things. I can start doing that if you find that playstyle better.

I have never been a Mason or IC, FYI.

[RH9]

OK. I will start acting like I do as a spectator when I get back from school.

[RH9]

FYI, the way that I act as a spectator is the way that I act as Mason, groupscum, or IC because that would be when I feel more confident and thus I focus more on content than other things. I can start doing that if you find that playstyle better.

I have never been a Mason or IC, FYI.

Avoiding confusion, I have off-site scumgames which you can ask cows about if cows knows or remembers.

[RH9]

OK. I will start acting like I do as a spectator when I get back from school.

Before you read this, I want to point out that I dislike being lectured myself, but I still think I should point a few things out. Do with this what you wish.

My primary suggestion is that, if you're town, start working towards achieving your winning goal. It doesn't seem to me like you're focused on the game very much. The few posts you've made with good observations are, in my eyes, trumped by posts like this:

rh9 and by extension adse are IC approved votes.

Thank you. You are officially the best scumhunter in the world, surpassing Cabd.
(Why did nobody realise how good I am before? I once even defeated the whole of Town, on another site, as SK. I survived to F3 and eliminated the last Town member.)

Speaking about other games in: 194, 196, 197, 198, 200, 381, 385, 390, 412, 418, 549.
Talking strictly about meta in: 317, 456, 544, 545.
Buddying up to other players in: 203, 284, 318.

It is not forbidden to speak about other games, provided they are finished, and meta can sometimes be helpful. But whatever points you were trying to make are completely lost on me. Buddying to other players so openly can be interpreted differently, but to me this is odd to say the least. In my personal experience, D1 is not the correct time to look for allies, especially with so many null reads. This could be seen as scumplay pocketing others by flattery. This is my personal opinion, and views may differ. My prevailing feeling is that your general actions are more distracting than helpful.

I understand. I never realised how distracting I was. Thank you.

[RH9]

StrangeMatter, you mentioned only one towngame for STD? Have you seen his other towngames? I don't think that using only one towngame and two scumgames for comparison is fair to STD.

[RH9]

StrangeMatter, you mentioned only one towngame for STD? Have you seen his other towngames? I don't think that using only one towngame and two scumgames for comparison is fair to STD.

Have you considered that STD can change and that his towngame is no longer like it was before.
I think that you might be confbiased. I have seen confbiases and experienced confbias. It has hardly ended well except when the confbias is dropped.

[RH9]

StrangeMatter, you mentioned only one towngame for STD? Have you seen his other towngames? I don't think that using only one towngame and two scumgames for comparison is fair to STD.

Have you considered that STD can change and that his towngame is no longer like it was before.
I think that you might be confbiased. I have seen confbiases and experienced confbias. It has hardly ended well except when the confbias is dropped.

I'm not really confirmation biased just focused on STD right now. I've had games where after a few couple of games (though this is off-site) I pretty much understand what their scum gameplay is and what they prefer to do as scum from what I know of them. So while I normally don't normally put a lot into meta, this is one of those times I (personally think) have a good track record of actually getting right and something I go to on whenever I can with people I actually know.

As for not being fair, I'm fine with going through again. And that last question I'm not even sure what you're trying to get at. Yes, people can change (in fact this definitely happened to me at one point) but it lines up with what I currently understand about STD's scum gameplay.

I understand.

[RH9]

I'm kind of shocked anyone could have me as top town right now.

With regard to Scorpious: the big brain Slayer's_Gambit of 345 is the type of play I almost never see scum making. People always end up paranoid of it and scum usually end try to justify their actions in a conventional way, rather than claiming "I was being scummy on purpose!!". His earlier posts had good questioning and a healthy dose of paranoia toward other players, they weren't bad by any means, so it's honestly hard for me to believe he'd make a weak vote "accidentally" and then try to cover it up with that excuse as scum. I don't really get the hate he's getting for that. I didn't like his push on me, but I feel like he could have just been legitimately misinterpreting the post I made when I was entering the game and getting hung up on my word choice.

So that what it's called. It is my favourite gambit to use as Town. I guess that if Scorpious is using it, then it is unlikely that he can be scum.
+townpoints for Scorpious

[RH9]

@mod Can we get a VC?
If I want to do VCA later, I need the VC.

[RH9]

So everybody voted? That helps. I'll probably do a VCA during Night 1, then. See you.

[RH9]

First, I would like to congratulate the Vig/SK who killed Galron. Next, I want to ask what Three and StrangeMatter did wrong? And if we massclaim, how do we know who is going to lie or tell the truth? And SK could just fake claim Vig.

[RH9]

Next, I want to ask what Three and StrangeMatter did wrong?

Assuming this is @ me: from what I remember of Day 1, StrangeMatter didn't end up doing a whole lot. And I think there was an effort to push them towards EoD, which I recall thinking that it wasn't a terrible idea, so I'm sheeping my past self until I get the time to really sit down and get into this game.

I was pushing them but then I looked at their recently completed scumgame and doubted it. Three is blatant scum for their bad faith arguments against me yesterday and insisting I refute their argument that I'm mafia with Scorpious. Since Scorpious blatantly isn't scum with Galron, it completely falls apart and makes it a transparent shitpush.

Jacket: "how dare you accuse me of being scum with Scorpius"

Also Jacket: immediately coordinates a mislim on ASDE before I can even respond to shut down discussion, then tells the Vig to shoot NM for literally zero reason before we can even get a claim out of him and thus gets our Doc killed

HMMMM I wonder who needs to die today

VOTE: Jacket

I understand. So StrangeMatter is getting voted for 'lack of content', Three is for 'bad faith' arguments, and Jacket for telling the Vig to shoot N_M and 'coordinating a mislim' on ADSE.

[RH9]

I can barely get anything else from that ISO. Only thoughts are he asked some questions to Greeting/RH9/Strange that were mildly critical and could be distancing. Interactions very limited.

Asking questions is distancing but voting someone isn't.

So you think that Galron was distancing from StrangeMatter or Greeting? Interesting. Nathann just mentioned SM's lack of content. What if Galron was distancing?

[RH9]

I can barely get anything else from that ISO. Only thoughts are he asked some questions to Greeting/RH9/Strange that were mildly critical and could be distancing. Interactions very limited.

Asking questions is distancing but voting someone isn't.

So you think that Galron was distancing from StrangeMatter or Greeting? Interesting. Nathann just mentioned SM's lack of content. What if Galron was distancing?

No, that was sarcasm.

Great.

I can't recognise sarcasm and when I try to be sarcastic, it also can't be recognised.

[RH9]

I can barely get anything else from that ISO. Only thoughts are he asked some questions to Greeting/RH9/Strange that were mildly critical and could be distancing. Interactions very limited.

Asking questions is distancing but voting someone isn't.

So you think that Galron was distancing from StrangeMatter or Greeting? Interesting. Nathann just mentioned SM's lack of content. What if Galron was distancing?

No, that was sarcasm.

Great.

I can't recognise sarcasm and when I try to be sarcastic, it also can't be recognised.

Sorry, I should've been more clear. I think it's ridiculous to dismiss someone parking their vote on a player and say that can't be distancing, but then claim that asking another player a question is a sign of distancing.

But then again, Jacket is also saying Scorpius can't be scum for making a bad faith argument against him while I am scum for making a bad faith argument against him. So ridiculous statements should be expected.

I do remember Jacket's 589 as quoted below and annotated.

I'm kind of shocked anyone could have me as top town right now.

With regard to Scorpious: the big brain Slayer's_Gambit of 345 is the type of play I almost never see scum making.

People always end up paranoid of it and scum usually end try to justify their actions in a conventional way, rather than claiming "I was being scummy on purpose!!".

His earlier posts had good questioning and a healthy dose of paranoia toward other players, they weren't bad by any means, so it's honestly hard for me to believe he'd make a weak vote "accidentally" and then try to cover it up with that excuse as scum. I don't really get the hate he's getting for that.

I didn't like his push on me, but I feel like he could have just been legitimately misinterpreting the post I made when I was entering the game and getting hung up on my word choice.

[RH9]

Did everyone just lose their mind?

I think so.

[RH9]

Where is StrangeMatter?

[RH9]

@Cook By the way, remember to change the status of the dead players. You have them as alive.

[RH9]

I feel confused about Three. I can't understand the selfvote.

[RH9]

So much for being able to read me. If you're expecting me to blow up in response to getting pushed, that's just not going to happen.

Well...

It happened.

[RH9]

Does anyone think Jacket's behavior is genuine? Anyone at all?

Well, Jacket does seem angry. Like he is going to explode.

[RH9]

I understand. So StrangeMatter is getting voted for 'lack of content', Three is for 'bad faith' arguments, and Jacket for telling the Vig to shoot N_M and 'coordinating a mislim' on ADSE.

This feels like shitposting. Where is the promised VCA?

Here.
To me, the miselimination was unlikely scumcoordinated because we know that RCEnigma, N_M, and CB are all Town. I know that I'm Town and I TR Nathann. Greeting and Scorpious don't seem like they are groupscum. Therefore, scum was trying to coordinate another wagon and to me, that feels like the wagon on Scorpious. We know that Galron who is scum, started it and likely tried to get his teammates to get Scorpious eliminated. It fails though. I think that scum is somebody on that wagon.

[RH9]

Okay, I did skip a bit of the shitfighting at page 30 because I saw some lowkey personal attacks and I am very much not in the mood. I skimmed Cupcake Butterfly's ISO, not much gained from it, except for the vague wonder if it could have been a fearkill? Taly is a somewhat known player, right? Not sure who it would be a fearkill

from

, though.

My coffee is gone. I'm going for a walk. I think I like Jacket for town. Cheers.

I think that Taly is said to be a good player. I heard it somewhere. And RCE was so scared for his life, that it meant that Mafia didn't need to kill him until needed. So I guess that Mafia decided that CB could be a PR and there he goes. Also, I remember that Mafia goes after passive players because PRs tend to be like that.

[RH9]

i think i like RH9 for town

Is this a pocket?

[RH9]

Full disclosure: I interpreted that post as a PR softclaim.

468?

[RH9]

I'm not sure I like this post, coupled with the vote on RH9 in the previous one. It seems like he's saying that he feels like this isn't the case with active scum and apathetic town, but then he votes one of the more active slots? Not saying that he can't have scumreads inside active players if that's his general view on the gamestate, but it feels odd considering he didn't elaborate on it at all.

I think you're misinterpreting my point here. Which is probably my fault for not being explicit enough.

I would characterize the following slots as not doing enough to be readable, as of the time I replaced in:

A50
ADSE
Not_Mafia
STD
StrangeMatter

Now, they obviously can't all be scum. But there's probably scum in there, because it does not feel like a game where scum are running the show, and I felt like the people talking were townie enough. (hopefully, anyway - bit me in my ass in my last game, but that was a case where scum were active but just letting the town eat itself alive).

To me those slots were basically all a dart throw. Acceptable compromise but pretty much a blind guess when it comes to whether or not they're scum.

The one player I

did

have a scumread on was RH9, so I chose to push there, rather than someone who was more inactive and nullish.

As it is, I'm doubting myself on that push anyway.

I find it slightly curious there is no mention of Galron on this list. He’s not on the “unreadable list”. But there is no read on him, same with me and others. But just an observation.

Why make a non readable list then offer a read on exactly one person? Complete with hedge.

Then, In the very next post we have their only direct interaction with each other this entire game

Also, Jacket, why the unvote?

He said a thing I don't think comes from scum.

Something off here

I see. Maybe Jacket forgot Galron exists or something?

[RH9]

Yo I don't really want to play yet another game where scum gets caught but town listens to them anyway and acts shocked when we lose. Like this shit seems really obvious to me but it's already becoming clear pushing out obvscum is going to be such a needless struggle.

Town Doc and Mafia Roleblocker are both dead. Vig 100% can't be stopped today. I will just volunteer myself as today's elimination to stop this bullshit in its tracks, Vig just needs to shoot Jacket today. This is just preferable to me at this point, because I really don't want to have to argue for however many days we have that Jacket is obvscum just for me to get mislimmed anyway and then everyone forgets Jacket got caught after I'm dead.

This reads like a hyper aggressive soft claim.

Really?

[RH9]

Did I miss anything?

[RH9]

RCEnigma, do you think that CB was NKed because of passiveness?

[RH9]

RCEnigma, do you think that CB was NKed because of passiveness?

Same goes for all of you.

[RH9]

@Cook VC please

[RH9]

Sorry for the full 24 hours after the ego post, but I should have more stuff up tonight. There've been a lot of replacements.

Don't worry, Looker! And I'll try not to misread you again after spectating Newbie 2083 (where Andresvmb, who was in your PoE that game, got NKed).

[RH9]

Promise not to try to further provoke you.

[RH9]

I feel like we should wait for the IC.

[RH9]

RCEnigma, do you think that CB was NKed because of passiveness?

Same goes for all of you.

If you want, please answer 804.

[RH9]

Can't wait to get voted for telling people to read. I know it's coming.

Yeah. Tragic.

[RH9]

So for whatever wild reason, I'm being lead to believe that Scorpius, Jacket, and myself are likely all town. That seems to be the consensus right now, correct?

So with have three consensus town reads...

Are we reading the same game? I can see Scorpious and Jacket being consensus townreads, but I don't remember you being townread, let alone that being consensus.

Also, why are you supposedly fine with Jacket being considered town here? Why are you trusting his RH9 read?

Maybe there is a parallel universe? I definitely don't remember Three being consensus townread either.

[RH9]

So for whatever wild reason, I'm being lead to believe that Scorpius, Jacket, and myself are likely all town. That seems to be the consensus right now, correct?

So with have three consensus town reads...

Are we reading the same game? I can see Scorpious and Jacket being consensus townreads, but I don't remember you being townread, let alone that being consensus.

Also, why are you supposedly fine with Jacket being considered town here? Why are you trusting his RH9 read?

Are we really going to pretend I'm not obvtown

I'm not fine with Jacket being town here but nobody's fucking listening to me. So going by the logic that is being pushed, I'm completely wrong and the PoE is instead so miniscule that we still basically auto win. This really isn't a hard concept. And I don't understand the point of getting mad at me for tunneling Jacket and then questioning why I'm coming up with alternative elimination routes.

"But you're not a town read!!!"

Then fucking vote me like I told you to several days ago. Holy shit. Why are we even arguing this?

This game has been the very definition of players wanting to have their cake and eat it too, and it's severely killing my WIM. To the point where I genuinely just prefer to get voted out here so the Vig can kill Jacket, because I don't see any other way to save town from themselves other than through brute force solving.

Ok. The argument may stop.

[RH9]

Can you answer my 771 when you can, please? From what I saw of VCA, Scorpious looked unaligned with Galron to me, could you expand on that? Or link to where you have if you have.

That does seem odd. I think that you're Town as well as Scorpious. If I am correct, that would make the ADSE Town-driven.

[RH9]

So for whatever wild reason, I'm being lead to believe that Scorpius, Jacket, and myself are likely all town. That seems to be the consensus right now, correct?

I do not remotely think that is true. Most people are just avoiding taking a side.

Jacket thinks RH9 is town

I am not expressing that read with a high level of confidence (and if that post I highlighted wasn't a PR softclaim, it's ++scum).

It was not a PR soft claim. I am not a PR.

[RH9]

You can scumread me now.

[RH9]

Because I'm not lying about not being a PR.

[RH9]

ffs ignore the 838/839 quotes

Ok.

[RH9]

Why would I shield the wagon, though? There's nobody to shield.

[RH9]

So for whatever wild reason, I'm being lead to believe that Scorpius, Jacket, and myself are likely all town. That seems to be the consensus right now, correct?

I do not remotely think that is true. Most people are just avoiding taking a side.

Jacket thinks RH9 is town

I am not expressing that read with a high level of confidence (and if that post I highlighted wasn't a PR softclaim, it's ++scum).

It was not a PR soft claim. I am not a PR.

I didn't ask you to claim.

Oh.

[RH9]

So for whatever wild reason, I'm being lead to believe that Scorpius, Jacket, and myself are likely all town. That seems to be the consensus right now, correct?

I do not remotely think that is true. Most people are just avoiding taking a side.

Jacket thinks RH9 is town

I am not expressing that read with a high level of confidence (and if that post I highlighted wasn't a PR softclaim, it's ++scum).

It was not a PR soft claim. I am not a PR.

I didn't ask you to claim.

Oh.

At least now you know that I claim 'not a PR'.

[RH9]

Can't wait to get voted for telling people to read. I know it's coming.

Yeah. Tragic.

So for whatever wild reason, I'm being lead to believe that Scorpius, Jacket, and myself are likely all town. That seems to be the consensus right now, correct?

So with have three consensus town reads...

Are we reading the same game? I can see Scorpious and Jacket being consensus townreads, but I don't remember you being townread, let alone that being consensus.

Also, why are you supposedly fine with Jacket being considered town here? Why are you trusting his RH9 read?

Maybe there is a parallel universe? I definitely don't remember Three being consensus townread either.

Why does

RH9

agree with

Three

in one post only to attack their "reads" in another? It's a shame that we can't vote out both

RH9

and

Three

at the same time.

I attacked the fact that he was consensus townread. Sure, I agree with him, but that doesn't make him a consensus townread. That is part, I disagree.
Agree ≠ Consensus Townread

[RH9]

I don't think you guys know what you're doing. "Give me a gamesolve or you're scum" isn't a legit tactic, neither is "Everybody's quiet so they suck". What are your questions? This is a discussion, not a homework assignment. No one's going to talk to you if you're rude or combative...or boring.

I'm also cool with flipping as long as there's retribution. STD voting me with no reasoning is odd and worth looking into post-flip, as is Nathann if RH9 is adamant there were no scum on ADSE's wagon (which I think is a peculiar take).

I'm not adamant but I don't think that so.

[RH9]

This game has just straight died..

Wisest words ever.

[RH9]

This game is slower than what I would expect.

[RH9]

So I've been trying to be very hands off in the hopes someone steps up as townie outside of Nathan. Which hasn't happened.

To RH9 I did ignore you CB question but intentionally. It seems like no one else is really interested in exploring reasonings that don't fit their pushes though so it is what it is.

So while yeah I could see CB being targeted for being a possible pr I could also see scum being afraid of accuracy. If you go the route of Taly being elimmed for late game potential then the pool becomes pretty small for slots familiar with their towngame specifically. I'd have to read back who Taly said they had played with to flesh that idea out.

I haven't liked a lot of RH9's content but the callbacks to his questions for the town come off as townie over just continuing to post and leaving the hanging questions as busywork.

I'm still keen on greeting as town and I don't really want to get into three/jacket today. Even if I'm wrong on both of them being town there is at least 1 scum outside of them and a possible SK in that pool as well.

I have played with Taly. Galron and Not_Mafia has. At least from the top of my head, I immediately remember this. Galron is scum so maybe Galron noticed CB's towngame.

[RH9]

That doesn't take into account jacket/three could be Sv3p or Tv3p but we can cross that bridge when we get to it.

Scorpius/looker/std as today's pool

Worst case tomorrow is 3v2v1 but if we do have a vig their shot is probably best served within this pool of the remaining two not elimmed.

That is a good point.

[RH9]

I guess the kill implicates Galron so not as useful as I thought.

Oh wait! Almost50 knows and could have posted in the Scum PT. And CB said that he knows STD but they haven't played together in a long time. See 209 for CB's own words.

[RH9]

Yeah but I don't see A50 making that kill. The reasoning is convoluted so I won't get into it. STD could but Occam's razor say Galron saw taly as a threat and stuck the kill there.

Yeah. Though, A50 once said the quoted.

Taly replaces redtea.

Now here's someone that will probably win the game for their team. Now which team is that?

[RH9]

I don't see how that's relevant to this game.

Just that if A50 was scum, he would know that CB is Town. A50 knows that CB has a strong towngame and together with Galron, could have informed the other scum.

[RH9]

But then, that leaves the case that A50 wasn't groupscum and that means it was probably just a panicked Galron. Though, I have never seen panicked Galron before.

[RH9]

Can you answer my 771 when you can, please? From what I saw of VCA, Scorpious looked unaligned with Galron to me, could you expand on that? Or link to where you have if you have.

I've just given up on this game since it's ending up like every other town game I've been in where people scum read me for being right. If you can't read one page of posts right before the hammer happens then I can't help you, because I'm not quoting 20+ posts when you can literally just read EoD and come to the obvious conclusion.

The fact that even now, when Jacket continues to take pot shots at me and call me obvscum, he refuses to follow the plan to vote me and got scared when Looker suggested going through with it should speak volumes. But whatever. My WIM is dead and I'm ready to end today.

Is this genuine or AtE?

[RH9]

Can you answer my 771 when you can, please? From what I saw of VCA, Scorpious looked unaligned with Galron to me, could you expand on that? Or link to where you have if you have.

I've just given up on this game since it's ending up like every other town game I've been in where people scum read me for being right. If you can't read one page of posts right before the hammer happens then I can't help you, because I'm not quoting 20+ posts when you can literally just read EoD and come to the obvious conclusion.

The fact that even now, when Jacket continues to take pot shots at me and call me obvscum, he refuses to follow the plan to vote me and got scared when Looker suggested going through with it should speak volumes. But whatever. My WIM is dead and I'm ready to end today.

Is this genuine or AtE?

What if Nathann just missed your posts? I'm sure giving him the page number can't hurt.

[RH9]

If you're asking if I have reads and I'm not giving any, wouldn't that imply that I have none? I don't understand your confusion. Also, I've already stated my interests are Three and RH9 - are you asking me to give a personality quiz to the other players? There's not really much to go on, which is probably why everyone's so divided and no one's talking, seeing as the expectations are so high and people are being snarky.

Can you do that cool PoE thing like you did in Newbie 2083? Like quoting the posts, spoilering it and stuff.

[RH9]

Remember how good it worked in Newbie 2083.

[RH9]

Remember how good it worked in Newbie 2083.

What do you mean by "how good it worked"?

I was being sarcastic. The PoE consisted of three Town.

[RH9]

I should definitely stop being so sarcastic.

[RH9]

O wait if the target dies. Strongman isn't normal. But rb can't confirm doc - okay, makes sense. Sorry.

There isn't a Strongman in the setup, anyways.

[RH9]

Wonder where you thought that Strongman could exist from.

[RH9]

You know what? This isn't worth it. I was perfectly okay talking about the rest of the game and ignoring you until you came in. You're just baiting me to try to rile me up again. I'm done with you.

There are players who scumhunt by riling people up. It's a playstyle thing which can be frustrating but is unavoidable.

[RH9]

I advise that you both take a break. I don't want you guys both so riled up because of each other.

[RH9]

I mean there isn't much left to do today IMO. I keep trying to gauge what everyone thinks of the game state and I keep getting contradictory answers. I say vote me and Vig Jacket and I get told no because we could both be town. So I say ok, then let's vote within the PoE that leaves then and I get told no because me and Jacket could be scum. The game state is just halted at this point.

I kind of agree on the last sentence. I guess that everything is a possibility. Other than Jacket, who do you think is likely scum?

[RH9]

Though, I am still highly against the idea of vigging Jacket.

[RH9]

Though, I am still highly against the idea of vigging Jacket.

It seems like a waste.

[RH9]

My recommendation for Vig is to shoot their SRs not somebody else's SRs or just don't shoot.

[RH9]

At this point I like to go through and read interactions with the dead. I feel it’s the only part of my game I would consider strong.

I don’t like Nathann’s 970.

Always hate the “we still got this, rah!” posts.

I don’t want to blame anyone else. I was just off on the VC.

I thought that it sounded optimistic.

[RH9]

It sounded like he was trying to seem hopeful.

[RH9]

I'm a strong believer in morale in mafia. And when the IC enters the Day saying "I'm ready to lose the game", that's a self-fulfilling prophecy right there. I will give you that it's fairly trivial to fake as scum, so you have my permission to consider it NAI.

Scorpious, why the thought you need to reread the interactions with the dead

now

? We had a scumflip Yesterday. The only reading-into interactions with them I can find is 796 and 813 (ignoring the attempted self-clear), and you never voted either of those people or really attempted to further the push there at all.

That's a new thing. I don't think that 'morale in mafia' is brought up a lot.

[RH9]

And, I'll be on vacation, later today until the 29th.

[RH9]

So, I will be phone-posting if I do end up posting.

[RH9]

OK, back to game-related talk.

[RH9]

Already claimed VT.

[RH9]

Least I think that I did.

[RH9]

Trying to imagine what it'd be like if you'd have to read the ISO of someone you replaced in a 200+ page large theme game. Would suck a lot.

Thank goodness, this game isn't.

[RH9]

Can you explain the Looker townread?

Scorpious, answer this. It is a very good question.

[RH9]

@Cook Didn't Scorpious vote me?

[RH9]

I don't recall Nathann getting voted.

[RH9]

I don't recall Nathann getting voted.

Is there anything preventing you from reading the game?

I am on vacation.

[RH9]

Wait, I skimmed past it.

[RH9]

Forgive me, what is YeLo?

Also LAMIST ..

I’m assuming the former is a non offensive variant of the game state but I’m not clear on the latter.

Thank you

I am assuming that YeLo is '

Y

ou

e

liminate or

Lo

se'.

[RH9]

Yeah, I don’t buy any of it Nathann..

RC, there was none. I just wanted to see who would be first to ask me about it.

It was him..

This slot is scum..

Wait, it was a reaction test? First class.

[RH9]

Please don't do what Three did.

[RH9]

Your argument isn't going anywhere.

[RH9]

That’s your contribution?

I’ll give Nathann credit.
At least he’s contributing content.

Then, why vote him?

[RH9]

That’s your contribution?

I’ll give Nathann credit.
At least he’s contributing content.

Then, why vote him?

This makes no sense to me.

[RH9]

Std's stance is known, my stances are known. There was an entire day for the two remaining town to move towards a resolution and instead it was spent with a back and forth between the two slots that the confirmed town don't want elimmed here.

SKs interest is to vote against scum. Especially if their BP was struck already but that's only a minor issue compared to losing town majority to scum who have agency with the nightkill.

I agree.

[RH9]

SK is self-aligned.

[RH9]

I am going to reread Greeting's reads.

[RH9]

He SRed STD.

[RH9]

I think that STD fearkilled Greeting.

[RH9]

VOTE: Save the Dragons

[RH9]

Oops.
UNVOTE:

[RH9]

But wouldn't SK claim vig?

[RH9]

We lost.

[RH9]

There is still at least two Mafia so we lost.

[RH9]

I give up.

[RH9]

There's no CC and there had to be a vig because of three deaths night 1. This is the third person this has had to be explained to.

Sorry. I missed the claim.

[RH9]

We lost anyways because the SK will just kill RCE while the Mafia kills STD.

[RH9]

And because I am VT and the SK is hiding somewhere.

[RH9]

Did Looker claim yet?

[RH9]

Did Looker claim yet?

I might have missed it.

[RH9]

VOTE: RH9 He's either SK or scum. If STD is the last PR, there's no reason for RH9 to play the way he's played. Jacket is untrustworthy and pulls people down to his level in arguments, so I'm not pulling a Three with his deathtunnel. STD is dead regardless of 1-shot if she's town. Scorpious vs Nathann is unresolved, but I feel it's devolving into playstyle critiques instead of case-building. I'm with my family, so I don't anticipate changing my vote before the end of the day. Good luck guys and Happy New Year.

Also, there are people jogging shirtless outside and it's December 30th - wtf. Are we all going to die for real?

Jacket isn't deathtunnelling you.

[RH9]

And Happy New Year to you too, Looker!

[RH9]

@Cook VC please.

[RH9]

So is it better to eliminate either SK or Mafia today?

[RH9]

RCE, explain.

[RH9]

Is it to do with his actions?

[RH9]

Is it to do with his actions?

Oh. Wait. Because he 'is untrustworthy and pulls people down to his level in arguments'.

[RH9]

What Looker said.

[RH9]

Why even sign up for a game if you're not going to try at all, RCE? Piece of shit.

He's the IC. Maybe, he thinks that being IC means that he doesn't have to prove that he's Town.

[RH9]

I guess nathann+looker mafia and RH9 SK isn't impossible

But I'm the VT. I promise.

[RH9]

I guess nathann+looker mafia and RH9 SK isn't impossible

But I'm a VT. I promise.

EBWOP

[RH9]

But you are right in that I'm not part of the Mafia. By the way, the real SK should try to kill their scumreads if we eliminate scum today.

[RH9]

I guess nathann+looker mafia and RH9 SK isn't impossible

But I'm the VT. I promise.

Then why have you not tried to find scum at all today

I am trying.

[RH9]

Just frustrating to have the game come down to a day where half the players are doing nothing.

It's New Years Day for me.

[RH9]

Nathann, you are on E-2. I declare my intent to put you on E-1 or beyond.

[RH9]

This is partially for that meaningless argument with Scorpious which buried much searched for content.
Actually, I'll vote for to build pressure.
VOTE: Nathann