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[Hella Jeff]

i'll be honest i don't think it's worth defending that post norwee
i enjoy your effort but posts like that make me wonder if it's worth leaving you out of the POE and getting snowed by you >:)

[Hella Jeff]

Thinking off the scenes and making a short and concise post explaining current thoughts -> Making a huge post quoting 10 posts to explain why i’m currently thinking what i am.

yes, fuck wallposts

but diving further is good because we can relentlessly attack your logic.
what's that feeling based off of? osuka's meta? gut? personal experience from your own scumgames? and why would he be less fiery in the first place? do you think that it'd give him too much negative attention to deal with or is it something that he's probably unable to replicate?

personally i think he's been plenty fiery, i mean the azaariah v osuka thing happened

BIG

questions. i want something going that isn't another Holiday elimination and i've got a weekend 2 do it

[Hella Jeff]

BIG questions. i want something going that isn't another Holiday elimination and i've got a weekend 2 do it

Does that mean me or what?
Your questioning feels ominous.

i'm an ominous Jeff
but no, lol

[Hella Jeff]

you know what's better than theory talk?

[Hella Jeff]

you know what's better than theory talk?

just voting maf out?

Welch's Fruit Snacks, Mixed Fruit, Gluten Free, Bulk Pack, 0.9 oz Individual Single Serve Bags 40 Count (Pack of 1)

[Hella Jeff]

i can't help but wonder why d1 was like it is

Holiday

(7)

April Ludgate

,

Almost50

, Dwlee99,

T3

, Something_Smart,

Enchant

,

Hella Jeff

[Hammer]

April Ludgate

(6)

Holiday

, Andante,

Tracer.Bullet

, osuka, geraintm, NorwegianBoyEE
(if there's any real objections to having a50 and enchant as blue please tell me)

like, you had a simple doc in hammering range. why didn't T3 swap over and snag that kill?

is it unreasonable to think that it's because aprilwagon had two scum already and he didn't want to clump up their votes no matter what role april was

[Hella Jeff]

like instead he opted to hard shield april in a situation where he's be near outted by d2, i'd think? why not make the most of it and make some powerful decisions

[Hella Jeff]

Why a50 blue and not me?

to keep you alive

[Hella Jeff]

so like why aren't you voting in osuka/gerain? I genuinely don't care which one goes, lim one, move on, like what, we want to wait till deadline? turn this is to some giant thing only for both to flip scum?

1. i'm not you
2. limming townies feels bad

Honestly, Jeff is starting to really go up in scumminess to me, brings up his hammer to basically go "hey look I didn't hammer doc" yeah cause if you did you'd have been auto limmed next day, so not like you're town for that, but you bring it up. you go "scum is on this wagon" ok. WHY AREN'T YOU VOTING? like Jeff, what are you actually waiting for? an invitation?

i brought up the last d1 votecount, which included my hammer, however i didn't bring my hammer up at all. unless you think my overall play fits well for shitty scum who thinks they can subliminal message their way into a win then your point's worth nothing

and no, i don't get autolimmed if i get april out. there were actual points against her unlike the holiday wagon and so yes, i do get out nearly scot-free even if april was one of the largest threats in the game that scum needed to get out

frankly, i think you have no idea what you're talking about. criticize everything else, but you do not get to downplay the sheer amount of CRED my hammer gives me

Jeff,
I'd like to formally invite you to vote mafia.
- Andante

Andante you Funny Asshat. That was Hilarious. Fucking Smart. Only laughs. I've been laughing for fucking hours. Man my sister came in my room and thought I was higher than the clouds. Honestly you should be a damn comedian. I would be so happy if i were you. You have to tutor me on comedy and on humor. It was amazing. It was talent. It was GODDAMN HILARIOUS

If Jeff still isn't voting in 24 hours, or at least voices why he's conflicted about voting, I'm voting Jeff and not unvoting

ayo, allergic to reading the game much?

BIG questions. i want something going that isn't another Holiday elimination and i've got a weekend 2 do it

what part of this doesn't scream "i'm not satisfied by anybody's cases"

[Hella Jeff]

yeah I know, like, I normally don't like going to the people not posting/not there and going "yep! seems like scum!" but to be fair, I like a lot of the people talking, idk, it's the same voices over and over, I'm a terrible scumhunter, kinda just read what others say and go "yeah sounds goo, stealing that" or "ehhh sounds weird"

i think my problem is just that even though i have a personal POE that i think wins the game it absolutely has townies in there because it's larger than 2
i won't really feel satisfied with placing a hasty vote now and facing the consequences

but what if i did do a hasty vote right and faced the consequences later? it'd probably end up on osuka
so pretend that in spirit, it's on him

[Hella Jeff]

happy cake day osuka!

[Hella Jeff]

i'm placing a vote today i promise

[Hella Jeff]

guys look i want osuka look look

osuka

i feel like osuka might be ranked higher and i might have overcompensated because funny doesn't necessarily equal town

i just realized this post sounds really rambly so don't try to ask what it means

the post isn't that rambly and i could easily see this being an attempt to "retcon" a previous read they have in order to save face for the future
this quote is bad

open setup spec
this is probably nai

this quote is also bad. thing t3 quoted i think wasn't even worth touching on

uhhh i think it provides a reasonable chsnce that t3 - osuka SvS but i'm a dirtbag for still not giving him anything tangible for him to explain on his birthday. sorry

andante

i'm being reminded while sifting through posts that andante scum would've 100% cleared april. knowing that sorta makes me think that if andante was part of the scumteam, tracer wouldn't have been murdered?
686 shades dwlee in order to appeal to andante. pings me lightly as T3 and andante not paired

i think andante's town

geraintm

in a readlist, has geraint as "not limming today". searching for the answers why, there's exactly one post

Geraint just reads to me like an exact clone of their towngames, and they don’t seem like the type that would be good at copying it as scum.
So it’s an tone/meta thing.

i'm p sure scum gera is like this too.

i don't see why that's grounds to give him a special label in your readlist but t3 does t3 things
confused on why a few people are completely conflicted on how easy they are to read? i think norwee said that he's hard to read and dwlee said that he's polarized at one point and it's like, nerds, make up your mind on him or else i'm forced to proclaim metabad
geraint claims to be a terrible town player and also gets rlly nervous as scum and i assume both explain the low post count and in turn the low presence, making sure you guys know taht idc abt that
GtH gerain's town t3 was most likely just building up to make him his pet townread if i used that phrase correctly

time to go for several hours

[Hella Jeff]

i'd be voting norwee because there's no way in hell that aprilwagon doesn't have any scum in it

[Hella Jeff]

But the promised vote didn't come.

y egging me on?

[Hella Jeff]

VOTE: Hella Jeff

[Hella Jeff]

i'd be voting norwee because there's no way in hell that aprilwagon doesn't have any scum in it

This is a bad mindset.
Since the wagons were TvT it makes no difference where scum would be voting.
In fact it’s probably smarter to vote Holiday and be like: "hey look, i didn’t vote the PR!"

nope nope nope
it's a simple doctor on the line
you NEED it to happen so that you have more freedom in your nightkills
and scum doesn't do it. why?
what's more worth it than killing a simple doc

[Hella Jeff]

nope nope nope
it's a simple doctor on the line
you NEED it to happen so that you have more freedom in your nightkills
and scum doesn't do it. why?
what's more worth it than killing a simple doc

Ok. Then why kill Tracer on night 1?

because april being nightkilled outs T3

[Hella Jeff]

But the promised vote didn't come.

y egging me on?

You did say you would no?

i mean more like
why are you egging me on to hammer osuka if you want the opposite of what i do
i know they're part of your POE but surely part of saying that you have multiple reasons to vote geraint is to attempt to convince others

[written pre-jeff vote but dnc]

[Hella Jeff]

Limming April would also out T3.

it makes their claim less likely if that's what you mean
nightkilling april

mechanically outs

T3

[Hella Jeff]

How pog would it be if Jeff voted Holiday at the end of day 1. (despite "townreading them") to keep T3 alive by courtesy of an pocketed Flavour that would be more useful to them alive than dead. Until Enchants follow onto T3 ruined everything.

you demon, using my hammer against me
april doesn't have to be alive to show that their claims worked in tandem? T3 wasn't playing the best + they were a BG claim. if he was town, it was strictly in mafia's benefit to not kill him. as scum, they had to replicate his situation so that he wasn't outted from anything

[Hella Jeff]

as scum, they had to replicate his situation so that he wasn't outted from anything

What?

T3 town --> more important targets like investigatives to catch --> nightkill someone who isn't T3
T3 scum --> T3 is unable to be nightkilled because he isn't scum --> nightkill someone who isn't T3

[Hella Jeff]

as scum, they had to replicate his situation so that he wasn't outted from anything

What?

T3 town, april hammered --> more important targets like investigatives to catch --> nightkill someone who isn't T3
T3 town, holiday hammered --> april asked T3 to cover them, dont want both protectives to be confirmed --> nightkill someone who isn't T3
T3 scum, april hammered --> T3 is unable to be nightkilled because he is scum --> nightkill someone who isn't T3

T3 scum, holiday hammered --> T3 is unable to be nightkilled because he is scum --> nightkill someone who isn't T3[/quote]
EBWOP

[Hella Jeff]

wait, actually, hammer should've been easy. april claimed doc, don't hammer a pr claim, I'm not sure why you've never just been like "well april claimed doc so I voted Holiday" unless you did and I missed it, there shouldn't be any debate around the day 1 hammer

i really, really did not want holiday to go and so i had to be as sure as possible abt april's alignment to make the sacrifice

[Hella Jeff]

So here i am in this cursed game that doesn’t have scumtells trying to figure out if shifty Jeff actually is trustworthy or just setting up traps for later assuming Osuka or Geraint flips town.

*jeff deliberately topic shifting after self voting* i think osuka/geraint is strictly TvS so i'll make a big fuss about figuring out the right one and moving forwards after that

[Hella Jeff]

if i knew i was actually null in the people's eyes i would've been cranking out more content since the beginning of d3 grrrrrrr

[Hella Jeff]

What if it's TvT?

[Hella Jeff]

Basically Pooky is scum.

Frown.

[Hella Jeff]

I think this is Pooky.
And he’s scummy.

not pooky, maybe scummy

[Hella Jeff]

yeah pooky's not me i've been sober since 09

[Hella Jeff]

who will you SEND TO THE DEPTHS OF HELL
once i'm gone

[Hella Jeff]

oh yeah i fixed that chart of mine

T3 town, april hammered --> more important targets like investigatives to catch --> nightkill someone who isn't T3
T3 town, holiday hammered --> april asked T3 to cover them, dont want both protectives to be confirmed --> nightkill someone who isn't T3
T3 scum, april hammered --> T3 is unable to be nightkilled because he is scum --> nightkill someone who isn't T3
T3 scum, holiday hammered --> T3 is unable to be nightkilled because he is scum --> nightkill someone who isn't T3

logic so pristine i got lost trying to figure out how it was scummy again

(i sleep. gn)

[Hella Jeff]

i've had an epiphany overnight.

[Hella Jeff]

i've had an epiphany overnight.

What then?

the world's not ready yet

[Hella Jeff]

This is straight up bull. I've been posting for days that you seem to be deliberately avoiding all commitments. you didn't vote at all yesterday, and i believe the only vote you've placed today is on yourself and i have called you out repeatedly on it.

you can't say it's bull, i could make a scatter plot of how many people weren't fond of me at a given time and how much i posted around those times, scientifically proving that i post more when i'm under pressure

i find people voting far more pressuring than people constantly nagging at me to post or vote. some psychological thing, i guess it's because the "out" is a lot more obvious in the latter than the former

the self vote was for an entirely separate reason (i did it because it was funny) but it also functions as an extra bit of personal pressure using this logic. what better ways are there to solve than putting yourself in imminent danger?
what better way to solve...........

[Hella Jeff]

Gee, i it sure is nice of you to solve only when it seems like you might be threatened and can’t just coast.

hey, it's hard not to feel complacent when the POE is as tight as it is. just makes you want to cozy up and do elimination after elimination
i'm attempting to fight against that but not enough to do my own work every day. there's a limit to how much jeff you get to see, nerd

[Hella Jeff]

wouldn't scum have just backed into a "well, scum must have some sort of role that can power through protections - have to to balance out all the protectives we have?"
[i assume there are scum roles like that?]

that's pretty likely in that scenario, actually. but it unnecessarily brings the attention to T3. reminder that we didn't exactly care about them until the guilty from Enchant came

what if i DUG myself a hole here
it's extremely likely that scum

doesn't

have a roleblocker or strongman, both of which counteract the double doctor thingy pretty well
therefore, i think they have an informed modifier somewhere in their arsenal

and norwee has a point that i finally see now: there has to be a reason that t3 wanted april alive rather than dead, and additionally why he claimed what he did
and i think it's because they were scrambling to look for the other doctor with every tool they had

[Hella Jeff]

If Jeff is allowed on day 3 to have not placed a meaningful vote since day 1...town deserves what is coming.

how is that part of what makes me mafia

i think you're projecting when you make a big show out of me not doing as much as other people are. not from this game, since i think you're town, but from your other scum games. i don't play like you, geraint.

opportunity after opportunity has been given to me. opportunities that, if i had a scumteam with me, i would take otherwise they'd call me a throwing bastard.

i could've hammered osuka after the heat transferred to me by norwee, but now i'm all fucked up
i could've slammed april after after norwee gave me hammer on d1, i've shown in many different ways that the scumteam would still function if i made that happen

what actions of mine from d2 and before translate to a scum agenda?

[Hella Jeff]

also i found out that dwlee's almost certainly town like a minute ago, took an embarassingly long time to solidify that

[Hella Jeff]

HOLY SHIT THAT FISH

[Hella Jeff]

@Dwlee: I "think" Jeff looks worse on that VC. I can lowkey sense he picked Holiday over April because April was pushing him, so a green flip there would have put him in trouble PLUS (and this is more important) would have put directed all suspicion to T3 from those who doubted both claimed Roles existed.

ah, that's true
first thing that comes to mind that i probably would've had an active scumbuddy hammer that for me if they weren't on aprilwagon already
or maybe even, i take that risk because they were one of the only people casting suspicion on me. destroying as much anti Jeff sentiment as i can probably gets me farther into the game.
after all, nobody's trying to sheep april's reads right now. in fact, currently norwee's a hard pusher of the opposite of april's reads
the reads of dead townies be INFERIOR

[Hella Jeff]

does they refer to me?
i think i am easy to read, but that may just be my opinion of myself and how badly i played in my few scum games. others can say different

what does GtH geraint's town T3 mean??

sorry, i should've used a comma there

it should read as: "gun to head, geraint's town. T3 was most likely just building up to make him his 'pet townread' if i used the phrase correctly"

[Hella Jeff]

NorwegianBoyEE, T3, osuka

DING DING DING DING DING DING

[Hella Jeff]

The team is NorwegianboyEE, T3, and osuka.
I would eat a baby's arm, and then a low-grade buffet's contents and with my full stomach dig to the center of the earth and back with only a plastic fork and a pair of my uncle's worn out timbs to type a SINGLE letter of why i think that is the scumteam
i would spend 24 hours being buried alive in the summit of Mt Everest next to a jukebox playing Dance Monkey by Tones and I in order to gain access to a computer.
i would attempt to hold my breath under a pool full of immortal piranhas and whiskey for one hour and 16 minutes with the lung capacity of a rodent in order to submit my thesis
i would hold my human waste until i'm more dump than Jeff and dip myself in liquid gold for an internet connection that has a 1% success rate at posting mafiascum posts
i would cause the end of humanity if it meant that at least 1 person acknowledged my reads

[Hella Jeff]

NorwegianBoyEE, T3, osuka

DING DING DING DING DING DING

I have been voting osuka all day. How come you didn't join me if you think he's scum?

norwee egging me on to hammer osuka despite voting geraint urked me and got me into this scuffle in the first place

[Hella Jeff]

I never egged you to vote Osuka.
I reminded you that you said you would vote, so i wanted to know if it was true or if you would do nothing.

i made it super obvious that osuka was the person i liked the least from everyone being currently voted, and if you were ignorant of this fact despite the post being like, five spaces away from your own then you're one of the most dangerous town players i've ever had the mispleasure of facing

[Hella Jeff]

But like.
Nothing i did there was in any way scummy.
You could just say "actually i wouldn’t vote now. I just pretended i would."
My comment was even made slightly in jest, basically asking if you would truly hold your word.
After all it was your words that you would "vote today", not mine.

asking me to make hasty decisions is scummy yes,
if you claim that you didn't even know that i had osuka as my biggest scum candidate, then from your POV you should think that i've done absolutely nothing and i'm going to use that knowledge of nothing to place a vote.
this puts you in even deeper of a hole, no matter how much you claim that you aren't trying to influence my actions
i think your treatment of me is kinda lol

[Hella Jeff]

Keep in mind. I buss dead weight teammates like there is no tommorow when i am mafia.

T3 (5) Dwlee99, osuka, Hella Jeff, NorwegianboyEE, Gamma Emerald [E-2]

T3 (6) Dwlee99, Something_Smart, NorwegianBoyEE, Almost50, Andante, April Ludgate [Hammer]

[Hella Jeff]

Not even gonna bother responding to this garbage.

[Hella Jeff]

Keep in mind. I buss dead weight teammates like there is no tommorow when i am mafia.

T3 (5) Dwlee99, osuka, Hella Jeff, NorwegianboyEE, Gamma Emerald [E-2]

T3 (6) Dwlee99, Something_Smart, NorwegianBoyEE, Almost50, Andante, April Ludgate [Hammer]

Please keep going so i can demolish the argument you’re going for here.

it's tongue-in-cheek i have zero actual comments about your voting history

[Hella Jeff]

norwee you wanna bus osuka with me

[Hella Jeff]

i take these

VOTE: osuka

father geraint would be so proud

[Hella Jeff]

That's as incriminating to you as it ever could. WHY did you leave that wagon?

it was because norwee was on T3's wagon LOL

[Hella Jeff]

You got off the confirmed scum wagon cause Norwee got on?

ah, i wasn't on that wagon because i wanted more time to reread the game

was talking about the d1 wagon

[Hella Jeff]

If Osuka flips town i’m tunneling Jeff tommorow.

by then i'll find another partner that we can both bus

[Hella Jeff]

that would be the funnest shit ever...
but i'm sitting here
holding in tears
sipping beer
head shaped like a deer

[Hella Jeff]

just two alts, chewing the fat
then norwee's wifi attacked

[Hella Jeff]

Why do i always end up as an suspect when i have like 500 posts and i’ve never been scum with that level of commitment like ever.

gonna use my mysterious alt identity to say that after skimming through a few of your more recent games i've seen comments that your scumgame was "better"? to which extent, i don't know, but knowing that someone is actively improving always gets me wary

[Hella Jeff]

Just say something like: "Kill Geraint/Osuka. What are we waiting for lol" and go take a piss.
Instead of creating this whole situation that has already made me spend way more effort.

pssssh you say stuff like this and then one quick check of your ISO shows that you align exactly with what you think scum would do,
at least you did until you spite rewrote your POE because i said you had a chance to be mafia in a very unlikely situation (osuka and geraint being TvT)

[Hella Jeff]

one look at votecounts shows that it very likely isn't geraint/osuka so we're fine in that department
i believe the same thing u do

[Hella Jeff]

one look at votecounts shows that it very likely isn't geraint/osuka so we're fine in that department
i believe the same thing u do

If you think i’m scum then you don’t believe the same thing i do.

you're wooing me with your words btw.

[Hella Jeff]

like let me acknowledge that i might be missing something extremely obvious that makes you town like the amounts of effort you've put into this game

[Hella Jeff]

Azaariah (3) osuka, T3, geraintm [E-4]

you can overthink it, but i don't really want to

[Hella Jeff]

I've seen it

oh yeah? well i've seen everything

[Hella Jeff]

gg scum!
i'll make special sure to learn from this game, so so so many mistakes that I could've prevented from being more vocal at the right times

[Hella Jeff]

norwe.......................
no jard feelings rite

[Hella Jeff]

no, not that, i got around to fixing that around the time i got hammered, we're fine in that department

i'm sorry for being pooky and therefore a desirable target to elim

[Hella Jeff]

ok tiny malding session over

scum pt is a fun read love u guys

[Hella Jeff]

u weren’t pooky

i was not pooky