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[NorwegianboyEE]

Also there is a bit of: "you just happen to get no info and yet live for so long" factor to my suspicion too.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What do you think about Andante having you as locktown still?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think that by all rights you do look pretty sus. Not to say you can’t be town.
But as you said. That probably means scum didn’t kill you for some reason. Such as them having ninja or thinking they can outsmart you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

lol it's late night for me, and I had a conversation with Norwee the other night around this time, so ehhh

My messed up sleeping rhythm shouldn’t have anything to do with my allignment just saying.

[NorwegianboyEE]

blood, I like the effort you are giving right now.

@Norwee, you better step up your town game, or I'm voting you

Oh and posts like this make me want to instascumread you.
I have 500 fucking posts in this game and i’ve been trying to solve all the way.
You can fuck right off with this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sorry, *600 posts.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If i am mafia, then firstly i am Real Follower+Voyer, otherwise i would't knew Dwlee99 targeted T3 n1.
Secondly, all town power then are RoleCop, Simple Doctor and Roaming Doctor.

It's easily to fool, T3 could just say "Um i am Cop", get checked by rolecop and then feed shit. Why mafia would have two investigative roles? To fool Rolecop? Really?

If i am mafia, setup is briliantly sadistic for town and unbalanced.

Hm ok. Let's see what Geraint is claiming first.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Am I being really confusing?

Yes.

[NorwegianboyEE]

yet maf you killed them

Why would i kill Dwlee?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Dwlee townread me pretty sure.
I'd take an ally in ElO over killing an useless doctor anytime.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you’re scum and i’m the mislim you’re angling for just vote me so i can understand the gamestate better.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I was the 2nd vote. Why you blaming me like i’m the one that argued for speedlimming him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I actually though A50 repping out was town indicative at first, cus i believed he just got mad it flipped town or something. But then i saw he got banned and had to be replaced out from all games so... :/

[NorwegianboyEE]

you keep talking like you don't tr me, so if I'm maf, who's my partner, wanna get them?

I don't really scumread you hard. But i think your play and language is scummy. That doesn't mean you can't be scummy town, that's actually been my theory for a fair bit of the game.
I'm still paranoid that Enchant could be scum here, and i don't really get why you trusting them so hard. That's also paranoia fuel.
Tbh i'm considering an A50/Enchant team. But i'd rather flip A50 first if i were to double down on that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I feel Geraint is dumbtelling.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So i'm gonna choose to believe he town.
That leaves my PoE in Enchant/Bloodshot/you

[NorwegianboyEE]

Bloodhail*

[NorwegianboyEE]

If i had an gun straight to my head right now and had to make an decision, it would probably be to kill Bloodhail. But i don't want to act prematurely. I'm not 100% sold on if it can't be Andante/Enchant.

[NorwegianboyEE]

In fact i think that's the two most likely teams here.
Either Andante/Enchant or Bloodhail/Enchant.
I'm gonna read back on ISO's to see what makes the most sense.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Town trying to clear slots based on mech is an recipe for disaster.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't care what makes the most sense from mech speculation. I just look for players that makes sense to be scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Especially when we have an "investigative" that claimed and "guiltied" an scum player that was already heavily scumread. And has now survived to ElO without getting anything useful, AND has made the worst decisions ever in who to target each night.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also T3's death gave us nothing. No teammates is found from his ISO.
Just makes more sense it could be planned from the beginning.

[NorwegianboyEE]

"It's andante/enchant or a50/enchant" like, are those the only possible teams you see here?

What else?
Andante/A50
Geraint/Anyone
Does any of those seem likely to you?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I didn't really scumread Dwlee but i agree he played subpar. He was always just tunneling a town player or making wrong doc protects.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Who would you vote Andante.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok.
I'm not gonna vote anyone yet because i want to see if scum slips up at any point.

[NorwegianboyEE]

In fact i think that's the two most likely teams here.
Either Andante/Enchant or Bloodhail/Enchant.
I'm gonna read back on ISO's to see what makes the most sense.

wouldn't that make enchant the best possible vote fypov

Possibly yes.
But the difference is voting the slot that i feel the most confident would flip scum VS flipping the slot that makes the most sense as a team member with anyone else.
If Enchant isn't scum that means the options are very limited for possible teams, so going by that logic they might be the best vote overall. But like, i'm not confident enough to say that's my final conclusion yet.
Idk, game is hard.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm so tempted to just vote now... yall have no idea comments like "you're just performing" when I'm actually over here trying, last night I tried to be nice and like, yeah this happened, you know? a nice welcoming environment, to get more from you than if I was just tunneling you

It's only really Blood that said that. So... like, if Blood is scum then he's just doing what scum should be doing right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

actually...

VOTE: blood

Nice. Now if this doesn't get quickhammered it confirms that scum has to be in Blood/Andante.

[NorwegianboyEE]

anyway i'll wait for everyone to post now, cya

everyone has already posted lol

Pretty sure they mean for Geraint and Enchant to post after this 1v1 started between you two.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Do you have anything to say about the content from your latest and previous post Enchant?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I am not sure what you expect from me.

An opinion?
Who's the likely town and who's the likely scum in the group here?
Do you lean scum on Andante or Blood now that it's likely confirmed to be scum in there.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Geraint can you please be a bit more active, just for ElO at least.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Geraint there is confirmed scum in one of Andante/Bloodhail.
And another confirmed scum in Enchant/Geraint/Norwegianboy

Thoughts?

[NorwegianboyEE]

From my POV it's either you or Enchant that's the second scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I feel like Enchant is the slot i want to deep dive into right now.
I'm not at all convinced they are town from their claim anymore, and this might be just instinct talking. But an Andante/Enchant team feels extremely possible.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If Holiday is town i voting Gera next.

This doesn't seem paired with Geraint.

Balance?

What is this?

Also, BG with Simple Doctor is pretty believable.

Hasn't even mentioned T3 or conversed with them up to now. But chimes in to say that the claim is "pretty believable"

VOTE: gera

^Important. This vote on Geraint was made AFTER the supposed "guilty" they would have had on T3 by that point. Can't believe i missed this earlier. They voted T3 before this btw, then changed to Geraint for ?? reasons.

Enchant - Combined Voyeur-Follower (N1: T3 No action taken/Protective action received, N2: Andante No action taken/No action received)

They got the action from T3 on night 1. It might even not have been intended as an real guilty, but just an mafia buddy "checking" their partner to see if an town investigative would be on them that night. That might also explain the Andante check if Andante is Enchant's scum partner.
The follower-voyeur is an scum role and scum!Enchant has been checking their partners on night 1 and 2 respectively.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Andante/Enchant are the scum.
I'm betting everything on it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Alright i lost all mental power for this day.

I have guilty on T3.

This was an well exercised buss.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Gonna wait for some more input from everyone, but unless someone convinces me otherwise. I'm going to vote Andante today and Enchant tommorow.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Geraint tell me what you think of my theory.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i'm not really super interested in the hero solve at elo (been burned by that too much), i'm just going to take it one at a time, not reading into enchant at all today

Read my posts though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The check on Andante would be fake in that world btw.
As in, on night 2 Enchant checked Andante while Andante made the kill. Just to make sure that if Andante were tracked or targeted by any town, they would know.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i guess it's not impossible

took a quick look back and the strange thing to me is i'm not sure why enchant targeted T3 if he expected the BG claim to die

it's a pretty odd target choice

Not: "not impossible".
But: "Pretty likely".

What were they hoping to gain from checking an dead man walking?
"T3 used an bodyguard action. Was targeted by an killing action." ??

[NorwegianboyEE]

And if they didn't believe the claim. Why say: "They expected them to die"

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can it be Geraint instead of you?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Or do you insist it's me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also yes, mafia have Voyer+Follower AND Cop.

Why? Why not, indeed.
LOLBALANCE.

Why would that be unbalanced?
Do you think mafia has just even night cop and 2 goons?

[NorwegianboyEE]

You talking about beliving just because of mech but you scumread me... Because of mech.

I don't just believe mech.
I also have been considering that Geraint is playing way less like scum than you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also you seemed pretty convinced Dwlee was scum for their claim.
Since they were town, now it actually points towards you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also, Dwlee pushed you for that yesterday i'm pretty sure.

[NorwegianboyEE]

hahahaha all you'd have to do is guilty geraint here, and we'd win if we were partners. easy!!!

That's just WIFOM.

[NorwegianboyEE]

do you seriously think it's enchant and I?

No, it's all just a joke. I spend a lot of time writing that for no reason than to make an practical joke on all of you.

/s

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't feel bad about not catching Geraint.
I struggle catching scum that do nothing, because there is nothing to analyze. So i just assume they are town.
I did get Andante at least and would have voted there. If Enchant didn't choke we could have then gotten Geraint tommorow. Not my fault. GG.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Andante+Gera?
Or
Norwee+Gera?


Hmmmmmmmmmmm

How could it be me and Gera, we literally confirmed that to be impossible. You should have taken the time to check if i was partnered with Bloodshot. But instead you just hammered, basically a complete throw of the game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Basically Geraint is one of those players that can be excused for not solving, because they don't solve as town. Making them perfect scum players in a setup without vigilantes.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm used to being scumread.