Open 837: Cop Killer - Endgame

[Pavowski]

Good morning!

VOTE: t3

This can never be wrong

[Pavowski]

“I see” a red door and I want it painted black.

Oh, God. Please don't let me be misunderstood.

Dead man walking, reporting.

Now taking bets on how long A50 lasts.

I'm gonna get crazy and say he survives two nights.

[Pavowski]

A50 how does it feel to be unvotable today? What a treat it must be

[Pavowski]

You can get hecked for stealing the first pagetop

[Pavowski]

Are y'all having fun yet?

Fun has been outlawed on this site

[Pavowski]

Actually, I am shocked nobody typed "clodpoles" and/or "fecal matter" yet.

Pretty sure that'd be an instant modkill under the circumstances

[Pavowski]

When I type in A50, my phone suggests that I type “A50 and then my autocorrect doesn’t have a problem with your attitude and barb is going to be a good person and barb and I’m not sure if I can have a problem with your phone”

Obvious scumclaim is obvious

[Pavowski]

Are you guys like... Seriously arguing about A50's alignment?

You're not, right?

[Pavowski]

The only sarcasm I understand is my own

[Pavowski]

Doc claims should be left alive in all circumstances. If they’re fake, the real doc will probably shoot them. If they’re real the scum won’t shoot them because of the possibility of the real doc shooting them (neither team will know if it’s a real or fakeclaim) and we should be able to work backwards from number of kills to determine whether they were real or not.

I feel dizzy.

[Pavowski]

A50 how does it feel to be unvotable today? What a treat it must be

You can get hecked for stealing the first pagetop

When I type in A50, my phone suggests that I type “A50 and then my autocorrect doesn’t have a problem with your attitude and barb is going to be a good person and barb and I’m not sure if I can have a problem with your phone”

Obvious scumclaim is obvious

Are you guys like... Seriously arguing about A50's alignment?

You're not, right?

The only sarcasm I understand is my own

Pav really is lacking spice in his posts. Played with them in a newbie a bit ago and their posts there were quite a bit better than here. These posts seem dry and unimaginitive. I also couldn't help but see a buddy attempt of the IC.

VOTE: Pav

"better" than here? You either have much higher expectations of me than I deserve, or you've confused late-game high-effort me with early-game dunno-wtf-to-do-so-memes-for-days me

[Pavowski]

It's RVS, nothing I say right now has any actual meaning beyond seeing reactions

Nah, you and GL have moved right on out of RVS with this little kerfuffle

[Pavowski]

It's RVS, nothing I say right now has any actual meaning beyond seeing reactions

Nah, you and GL have moved right on out of RVS with this little kerfuffle

Do you read it as TvS?

Not ready to call it one way or the other yet but I do think it's weird to dive in hard like that.

[Pavowski]

It's RVS, nothing I say right now has any actual meaning beyond seeing reactions

Nah, you and GL have moved right on out of RVS with this little kerfuffle

Do you read it as TvS?

Not ready to call it one way or the other yet but I do think it's weird to dive in hard like that.

I will add that I don't have a *ton* of experience with either Roden or GL, but GL sounds like town!GL inasmuch as I know him, which is to say, not particularly well.

[Pavowski]

Count me among the ones glazing over at LQ/Roden right now. This is the point where if one of you *has* caught scum, you are decreasing the likelihood that any of us will join you on it.

In other news, I thought reading up this morning would take a while, but the skipping made it blessedly quick

[Pavowski]

Count me among the ones glazing over at LQ/Roden right now. This is the point where if one of you *has* caught scum, you are decreasing the likelihood that any of us will join you on it.

In other news, I thought reading up this morning would take a while, but the skipping made it blessedly quick

What are your thoughts on Salsa?

Salsa has exactly one analyzable post right now and nothing particularly pings me in it.

[Pavowski]

Rodent is in no danger of elimination at the moment if that's what you're asking, we need 7 votes to lim

[Pavowski]

Roden. Jesus. Autocorrect. Sorry.

[Pavowski]

Not deliberately dodging, just unable to do deep reading right now. I will say that I tend to see such conflicts early on as TvT, though I dont think it's particularly towny to be as defensive as they seem.

As for the intervening comments, I will cop to skimming/skipping them and will review later today.

This game went from memery to dead fookin serious faster than I was prepared for.

[Pavowski]

Honestly LQ why are you scum reading me at all when you've recently seen two of my scum games in depth? You should know this isn't it from my opening posts alone.

Roden, I'll give you an honest, non-confrontational reach out on this point

Can you explain why you think your opening posts are town enough that we should already conclude that this isn't your scum game? Wouldn't that be a tremendous insult to your scum game, if your town game is so apparent in contrast to it that you claim it takes just a couple opening posts to rule out the possibility of you being scum?

I love this post so much I want to quote it at everybody who ever says on d1 any variation of "I'm obviously town", and that is a lot of people

[Pavowski]

I would also like to say I want both LQ & Roden executed TODAY because they're trying to prevent me from proving my supremacy in the field of quality shitposting (that's a new one) and finishing D1 as the top poster (for the first time ever, I believe)

Just make like Salsa and spam eight or nine posts to gank a few pagetops

If you believe it, you can achieve it

[Pavowski]

Not deliberately dodging, just unable to do deep reading right now. I will say that I tend to see such conflicts early on as TvT, though I dont think it's particularly towny to be as defensive as they seem.

As for the intervening comments, I will cop to skimming/skipping them and will review later today.

This game went from memery to dead fookin serious faster than I was prepared for.

As promised I re-read. It wasn't much better. Have some terrible reads instead:

GL feels town.
Auro feels town.
T3 could be town.
Mc might be town.
Roden and LQ are prob TvT here but if I had to vote one it's probably Roden. I've seen town LQ look like this before.

[Pavowski]

UNVOTE:

And I'll place a new one after I see the latest VC (not on the pagetop yet)

[Pavowski]

Not deliberately dodging, just unable to do deep reading right now. I will say that I tend to see such conflicts early on as TvT, though I dont think it's particularly towny to be as defensive as they seem.

As for the intervening comments, I will cop to skimming/skipping them and will review later today.

This game went from memery to dead fookin serious faster than I was prepared for.

As promised I re-read. It wasn't much better. Have some terrible reads instead:

GL feels town.
Auro feels town.
T3 could be town.
Mc might be town.
Roden and LQ are prob TvT here but if I had to vote one it's probably Roden. I've seen town LQ look like this before.

UNVOTE:

And I'll place a new one after I see the latest VC (not on the pagetop yet)

I would prefer if you gave afull readlist if you're not voting on the spot.

I was going to vote roden after the VC was updated, but now I would rather VOTE: Salsa.

Salsa always seems to have a bit of chaotic energy that I find hard to read, but I was pinging after the whole "I want to vote roden but not sure I should" thing, which is scum thinking though I don't know why it was verbalized

[Pavowski]

Salsa always seems to have a bit of chaotic energy that I find hard to read, but I was pinging after the whole "I want to vote roden but not sure I should" thing, which is scum thinking though I don't know why it was verbalized

Why is it scum thinking - why can't town be unsure? Is there a hidden reason scum would be unsure? Is there fault with her reasoning for not being sure?

Of course town can be unsure. Town *should* be unsure.

What's scum thinking is "I've decided I want to vote this person but I'm not going to" because...? Like imo town just votes there whereas scum is a lot more concerned about how their vote "looks".

You said

Roden

wasn't verge of the elimination but they're at E-3 that time and we have 4 scums.

I wouldn't consider e-3 the verge of elimination, and if scum is willing to give the game away and quick hammer from that far out, I'd say that's worth letting somebody get quick limmed.

[Pavowski]

vc

VC 1.04

Galron (1)-

Auro

Enchant (1)-

Salsabil Faria

Pavowski (0)-

Almost50 (0)-

Roden (3)-

GuiltyLion, LicketyQuickety, DArby

Bingle (0)-

LicketyQuickety (1)-

Roden

GuiltyLion (1)-

Bingle

Salsabil Faria (2)-

T3, mc esther

DArby (1)-

Enchant

Auro (0)-

mc esther (0)-

T3 (0)-

Not Voting (3)-

Galron, Almost50, Pavowski

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to instantly eliminate.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2021-12-07 10:00:00)

- Dec 7th 10:00 GMT

I voted for Salsabil I thought, but just to make sure VOTE: Salsa

[Pavowski]

FYI, my play style is scummy as any alignment.

@Pav

, if I'm concerned about *looking bad*, why I made the post in the 1st place?

This *is* an issue with giving you a full-throated scumread, but you'll notice I made exactly this point when I posted about you in the first place.

[Pavowski]

Also, if Roden is actually Scum here, I totally expect them to keep their vote on me. I think if they are Town they will reevaluate.

If I were scum!Roden here I'm reevaluating now, wheee

[Pavowski]

Aaaand pagetopped, yeet

[Pavowski]

First "Dictatorian" Declaration:

I; King of thread and ruler of both Town & Mafia alike; have decided in all my mighty grace to request order all of my subjects and minions to each provide a 3-players list of their top TRs (NOT including self).

This is actually hard, the game's not deep enough for me to feel good about any of my reads yet. I'll try though. I had some last night but I want to reevaluate if the monkey king isn't gonna let me change

[Pavowski]

First "Dictatorian" Declaration:

I; King of thread and ruler of both Town & Mafia alike; have decided in all my mighty grace to request order all of my subjects and minions to each provide a 3-players list of their top TRs (NOT including self).

This is actually hard, the game's not deep enough for me to feel good about any of my reads yet. I'll try though. I had some last night but I want to reevaluate if the monkey king isn't gonna let me change

This is me trying (and how dare you make me effort on d1, monkey man)

GL and Mc are both being proactive and solvy and even a little bit aggressive in a way that I don't think benefits scum so I feel pretty good listing them as townreads right now.

I could also join the crew and say DArby feels town, but that'd be boring so I'll go out on a limb and trust my gut read on Auro from earlier.

There, that's my three.

[Pavowski]

I would also go as far as to say that if we should flip GL, and he turns town, that would be scum indicative on Bingle given the recent shade. But I also kinda don't think GL is likely to get flipped. A NK'd GL would be another story.

[Pavowski]

roden's up on 48 hours btw. if it takes another two 48-hour prods to have him replaced, we won't have anyone in that slot until three days before deadline. i dont really know what to make of this information, just drawing it to the attention of someone with stronger opinions on deadline management than me.

Also also, I can't put my finger on why but I just can't see this post coming from scum.

[Pavowski]

Also also also, I have to remind myself this is multiball, and my first multiball at that, so I am offering large doses of salt with everything I say and think here

[Pavowski]

(No, I am not winding up to yeet another pagetop)

[Pavowski]

A NK'd GL would be another story.

What do you mean by that?

I mean that limming town!GL with Bingles points in mind would be scum indicative on Bingle, but if GL were NK'd I wouldn't assume Bingle was behind it.

[Pavowski]

I would also go as far as to say that if we should flip GL, and he turns town, that would be scum indicative on Bingle given the recent shade. But I also kinda don't think GL is likely to get flipped. A NK'd GL would be another story.

If you townread GL and acknowledge he's pro-town, why on earth would you flip him to determine Bingle's alignment instead of flipping Bingle directly?

Signalling to the other scumteam, aren't ya

I would not, at this point, vote GL, and I don't think my post suggests what you seem to suggest it suggests

[Pavowski]

A NK'd GL would be another story.

What do you mean by that?

I mean that limming town!GL with Bingles points in mind would be scum indicative on Bingle, but if GL were NK'd I wouldn't assume Bingle was behind it.

Why?

C'mon dude. Pretend you're scum (or maybe you're just scum already, but whatever, we'll complete the exercise). There's a slot out there getting town cred and you want to shut that down, so you throw some shade on that slot.

Would you then turn around and NK that same slot? Wouldn't you think that's, like, incredibly obvious?

Like I kinda feel silly even spelling it out

[Pavowski]

I mean that limming town!GL with Bingles points in mind would be scum indicative on Bingle, but if GL were NK'd I wouldn't assume Bingle was behind it.

Why would you engage in preemptive NKA in the first place though?

Like... This is just introducing so much WIFOM into the thread.

If GL gets shot here, did Bingle do it for towncred? Did scum do it trying to frame Bingle? Did the CPR doc do it trying to save GL from the scum shot that was trying to frame Bingle of either alignment?

Just posting that makes it completely useless.

To be fair, I didn't *want* to lay it all out, but Salsa was asking and I find failure to answer direct questions scummy

And now that I've said that, I fully expect to garner a few more scumreads for giving you all more WIFOM to discuss (did I answer as town to prove my towniness, or did I answer as scum to fake my towniness?)

This game is neat

[Pavowski]

pavowski, please let the issue drop for now

Sir yes sir

btw, I don't seem to recall playing any games with you, but you seem to know me

So .... you kinda have the advantage of me here

[Pavowski]

i would like to add that my general memory of pav's posting is that it's often been pretty low-content, but im on mobile rn.

My bad. I took this to mean you had knowledge outside this game of me, that's all.

[Pavowski]

im flattered that you think my read on you is exceptionally informed, though. what do you think my read on you is?

To answer your question, though, I'd say you probably lean scummy on me given your #281, but maybe less now than you did then given #489?

[Pavowski]

I thought about leaving this pagetop for somebody else, but nah, I'm gettin' it

[Pavowski]

do you believe that "low-content" would be a fair assessment of your playstyle in general? do you believe it's a fair assessment of your play in this particular game?

That's probably fair. For a short while I tried posting high-effort, high-content in my games, but 1) I'm not very good at that and 2) I tend not to have the time in the day for it.

So I play for fun and call things out when I see them and just accept the fact that it gets me scumread in the early game a fair bit.

[Pavowski]

So either everyone targeted A50 or only Team Fire did and somebody else got doc's and frozen, right?

Seems more likely monkey got tripled up

[Pavowski]

Actually… VOTE: pav

That’s potentially a very useful discussion for scum. Why did you bring it up?

Mostly because I want to confirm my understanding of mechanics. In what way does it benefit scum? Everybody on both scum teams knows what happened.

[Pavowski]

Actually I guess they don't necessarily, withdrawing that

[Pavowski]

Fire team doesn't know what ice team did, I am dumb

[Pavowski]

Was going to ask how he knew that Team Fire killed A50 but I figured it out.

I am an idiot possessed of the deep knowledge

[Pavowski]

Interesting. Ok.

[Pavowski]

Sub-Zero team targeted same target as Doc. That's all.

Let's kill someone.

Who do you want?

[Pavowski]

So either everyone targeted A50 or only Team Fire did

and somebody else got doc's and frozen

, right?

Seems more likely monkey got tripled up

I don't think this can have a drawback for asking publicly given how obvious a question it is, so:

@mod: Are death flavors indicative of who made the kill? If they are, what are the specific flavors for a Fire Kill, an Ice Kill, a Doc Kill, and an all three kill?

NM should be able (have to actually) answer that because this is an open.

Yes death flavours are indicative. Ice Mafia is

Frozen

, Fire Mafia is

Incinerated

and a CPR Doc kill is

Shocked

. If all three were to target a player, the fire and ice mafia kills would cancel out and the CPR Doc would kill the player. I will add this to the rules section.

Pav - how did you know the Ice Team's flavor was "frozen" specifically? I don't recall seeing that anywhere prior to N_M editing the posts.

I saw that A50 was "incinerated" and assumed that was a fire team kill

[Pavowski]

Like even before NM clarified the kill flavors, the post starting D2 and announcing the NK said he was incinerated.

I mentioned it because it struck me as odd that "incinerated" would be the flavor, but we don't wanna discuss the NK so I'll leave it at that

[Pavowski]

Does that strike you as a crazy leap in logic?

If the fire team kill was "incinerated", what would you expect the ice team kill to read as?

Mildly refrigerated?

[Pavowski]

Does that strike you as a crazy leap in logic?

If the fire team kill was "incinerated", what would you expect the ice team kill to read as?

Mildly refrigerated?

idk, I would think the easy fire kill flavor would be "burned", I agree "frozen" is probably the most basic choice but there's synonyms, could have been "chilled", "iced", "glacierized", who knows. I just feel it's odd you used a specific word that I hadn't seen used anywhere in the set up description or flavor

Maybe you should buy the mod a thesaurus.

This feels like you're trying to find a reason to scumread me for something that was pretty bland.

It would be way more telling if I had in fact said "nobody got sub-zeroed" and the mod later clarified the ice team kills as getting sub-zeroed

[Pavowski]

VC 2.01

Galron (0)-

Enchant (2)-

mc esther, DArby

Pavowski (0)-

Roden (0)-

Bingle (0)-

LicketyQuickety (2)-

Roden, Enchant

GuiltyLion (0)-

DArby (0)-

Auro (0)-

mc esther (0)-

T3 (4)-

Bingle, Galron, LicketyQuickety, Auro

(E-2)

Not Voting (3)-

Pavowski, GuiltyLion, T3

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to instantly eliminate.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2021-12-14 19:00:00)

- Dec 14th 19:00 GMT

I'd appreciate it if I Wasn't Hammered
esp because i've been gone for the entire day and most of yesterday

You are not even close to hammer time yet, my dude

Well, one step closer now VOTE: T3

[Pavowski]

Damn I misreadUNVOTE:

[Pavowski]

I'm ready to vote there but don't want to end day yet

[Pavowski]

Actually, there's no harm in outing how I'm going to get it, so I can do that.

There is no kill flavor in the Role PMs provided on page 1. (I know, I checked a while back.) I just asked NM if he put kill flavor in the maf pts (open, so general formatting of PTs should be public information). If yes, then I think that's scum indicative for GL. If no, I think that's fairly clearing for GL.

What if both Ice and Fire shot A50? I know this probably isn't a good question to ask, but I can't help thinking this is at least possible.

Also, someone explain why Roden is confirmed Town because I'm not getting that.

This is the second time you've asked and I know somebody pointed it out.

Roden was the target of A50'S check last night. He was mod confirmed at the start of today.

[Pavowski]

To answer your other question, if all three kills (fire, ice, and cpr) went for A50 based on what the mod posted, we would've seen A50 shocked. He wasn't. So we know the doc saved ice team's target.

I'm seriously not discussing last night's kill anymore.

[Pavowski]

What if both Ice and Fire shot A50? I know this probably isn't a good question to ask, but I can't help thinking this is at least possible.

Mod already answered this publicly. Fire+Ice would cancel and doc flavor would show as the kill.

Mod confirmed that he wouldn't have given anyone kill flavors prior to being asked, so if Pav slipped it was by specifically asking the mod what the kill flavor was and then outing that accidentally. Additionally, he would have had to either have faked not knowing the doc would be the kill flavor or only ask for partial flavor knowledge, which just seems weird. This is NOT clearing, because all it proves is that he didn't have access to information that scum didn't have access to by default (or is pulling the weirdest fucking fakeslip on earth that isn't even AI).

I think this IS clearing for GL because he's accusing Pav of being scum because he didn't have access to information that scum didn't have access to (or pulling a 5D fakeslip that relies on me pulling a 4D slip analysis).

If Bingle is scum here, I'm waving the white flag now.

[Pavowski]

Why spiritually
There's no lolhammerers around

You never know, the best lolhammer is the one you don't see coming

[Pavowski]

Am I the only one who thinks it's mildly not smart that Doc wasn't on A50?

Remember when we decided not to talk about the NK after my BS?

That was a good idea

[Pavowski]

VOTE: Bingle

Let's try something spicy.

LQ:

*Tries to start a Galron wagon*

*complains nobody wants to vote Galron*

*scumreads Bingle for jumping on the Galron wagon*

*votes Bingle*

This is bizarre behavior

[Pavowski]

VOTE: Bingle

Let's try something spicy.

LQ:

*Tries to start a Galron wagon*

*complains nobody wants to vote Galron*

*scumreads Bingle for jumping on the Galron wagon*

*votes Bingle*

This is bizarre behavior

I kind of get his reasoning.

I mean I *get* his reasoning too, but that doesn't mean it's good reasoning

Do you think Bingle is scum for jumping in there with a Galron vote?

[Pavowski]

Wait. You are Conf Town? How so?

Wait. You are Conf Town? How so?

635

Oh, I missed that.

Also, someone explain why Roden is confirmed Town because I'm not getting that.

@Roden: leave that, he's not paying any attention to the game whatsoever lol

This has really been bugging me. It's a small thing to overlook the clear on Roden but to miss it twice, especially when LQ seems to be paying close attention to other details in the thread, just doesn't sit right.

VOTE: Lickety

Enchant, you're wagoned for the usual reasons I think. Asking the rest of the PL to explain it to you rather than reading back to figure it out is probably one of those reasons.

[Pavowski]

Omg I pagetopped with content? Blasphemy.

[Pavowski]

EBWOP - not that it really matters IMO, but to be clear Pav/mc Esther should be flipped in my post above. So mc esther gave the L-1 vote, not Pav

I disagree that it doesn't matter in principle if not in particular. I often find the order of the votes interesting.

But in this case I still think MC is town so flipping us in the order is irrelevant

[Pavowski]

Could everyone give their reads on Bingle, Pav, and GL? With Enchant claiming Doc, the PoE continues to shrink and I think at least one of these three have to be scum.

My impression of Bingle is that they're playing a very strong game that makes me want to town read them. Tonally they're town, good mechanics advice, pressuring people who are otherwise just coasting by on content, and following through on suspicions and leads.

Pav feels a little hedgey to me when looking through his ISO. He addressed LQ vs me but didn't want to commit to any reads there, calling us TvT but also shading both of us multiple times. Handed out a bunch of town reads early on with little reasoning. He stoked the flames quite a bit on the Salsa wagon as well but never really got any heat for it. I asked Bingle for his thoughts on Pav's reaction to the scum slip accusation, and the reason I did was because Pav's response to the Frozen "slip" felt very controlled tonally, and the joke about mild refrigeration seemed like it was meant to defuse the situation more than anything else. I don't think it was necessarily a slip myself, but Pav almost seem panicked like as if he

had

perspective slipped even though his use of the term "Frozen" was reasonable.

GL I want to town read but he's been getting a surprising amount of suspicion from people who know him better than I do. I still think his reason me early game were awful, and his repeated attempts to justify them even after I became conftown don't sit right with me, though I think that's slightly more likely to come from town. I do think its strange that neither scum team seemed to consider him a threat though, then again the same could be said about Bingle.

VOTE: Pavowski for now.

I like Bingle and GL for town, though I feel more confident about Bingle.

You seem ready to buy Enchant's doc claim. I am not so sure.

[Pavowski]

Could everyone give their reads on Bingle, Pav, and GL? With Enchant claiming Doc, the PoE continues to shrink and I think at least one of these three have to be scum.

My impression of Bingle is that they're playing a very strong game that makes me want to town read them. Tonally they're town, good mechanics advice, pressuring people who are otherwise just coasting by on content, and following through on suspicions and leads.

Pav feels a little hedgey to me when looking through his ISO. He addressed LQ vs me but didn't want to commit to any reads there, calling us TvT but also shading both of us multiple times. Handed out a bunch of town reads early on with little reasoning. He stoked the flames quite a bit on the Salsa wagon as well but never really got any heat for it. I asked Bingle for his thoughts on Pav's reaction to the scum slip accusation, and the reason I did was because Pav's response to the Frozen "slip" felt very controlled tonally, and the joke about mild refrigeration seemed like it was meant to defuse the situation more than anything else. I don't think it was necessarily a slip myself, but Pav almost seem panicked like as if he

had

perspective slipped even though his use of the term "Frozen" was reasonable.

GL I want to town read but he's been getting a surprising amount of suspicion from people who know him better than I do. I still think his reason me early game were awful, and his repeated attempts to justify them even after I became conftown don't sit right with me, though I think that's slightly more likely to come from town. I do think its strange that neither scum team seemed to consider him a threat though, then again the same could be said about Bingle.

VOTE: Pavowski for now.

I like Bingle and GL for town, though I feel more confident about Bingle.

You seem ready to buy Enchant's doc claim. I am not so sure.

Town gains nothing from discussing a Doc claim, it'll resolve itself tonight. It doesn't matter whether or not I buy the claim, and mafia doesn't need to know how much any one of us believes or doubts the claim.

Do you have anything to say about my read on you?

100% agree on point one.

Short version on me is, you're wrong.

Long version is, I always feel useless in the early game, so I basically always hedge. I've learned not to be surprised when this gets me scumreads. I'm not sure why you think I sounded "panicked" at getting called out for the "slip", but you're the second person to try to scumread me over it, GL being the other.

Of course, you enjoy the benefit of being confirmed town, so the only thing for me to ponder on there is my own playstyle and tone and why it struck you that way. Of course, I don't know how much anybody is going to gain if we go and rehash that now. I think everybody has drawn from that what they're comfortable drawing.

GL, though... That dude scares me. I've only encountered him as town so far (in an ongoing game we won't speak of) but everything about his posts (here and there) tells me he could play a mean scum game. I could easily see him pouncing on my 'slip' as a way to test out a push on me. He's since walked back that read, and I'm not sure how to read that, yet. Given the push on me didn't get much traction, I'm inclined to lean scum on that point, even though I'm still towny on the slot generally.

Uh, this was supposed to be about your read on me, but you're conftown, so ...

[Pavowski]

He's since walked back that read, and I'm not sure how to read that, yet. Given the push on me didn't get much traction, I'm inclined to lean scum on that point,

I realized that the grammar of this is not great.

What I mean is, he started out scumreading me over the "slip" but reversed course as it failed to get much traction. Said reversal in absence of said traction pings scummy.

Sticking to the scumread in the absence of traction would have felt townier.

Still towny on the slot overall though, as I said.

[Pavowski]

Galron

has been

Frozen

night 2

Spoiler: Flip

Vanilla Townie

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GuiltyLion

has been

Incinerated

night 2

Spoiler: Flip

Town Compulsive CPR Doctor

[/spoiler]

Enchant

has been

Shocked

night 2

Spoiler: Flip

Vanilla Townie

[/spoiler]

When you gambit to draw the NK and the doc kills you instead, and then dies anyway. Lol

[Pavowski]

ill wait for everyone (especially darby and looker) to post before i vote, but lmao i think everyone already knows im voting t3 today.

We only eliminate T3 if we're certain he's LQ's partner. Even if we eliminate an Ice Mafia member today, town still auto loses.

Not necessarily. Fire/ice kills could cancel out.

I agree with your thinking tho

[Pavowski]

Tbh I'm wondering why I'm still alive when neither scum team tried to kill Enchant.

As conftown, you're a pretty obvious target, and I guess you won the wifom game

[Pavowski]

Tbh I'm wondering why I'm still alive when neither scum team tried to kill Enchant.

As conftown, you're a pretty obvious target, and I guess you won the wifom game

I suppose. I'm just concerned another reason I was kept alive was that I had town in my PoE. It could also be because I had scum in my town reads and they thought it was better to keep me alive, which would point to Bingle and T3.

oh, yeah okay, "must eliminate fire" makes this more difficult.

i still maintain that by association, looker is the most likely lickety partner; but im a bit anxious about making that as a definite call, t3 could have easily been bussing.

yeah,

i could

but is it likely?

Honestly this just seems like a scum interaction. Ice team secures their win by bussing today and T3 seems to purposely trying to look scummy here.

Maybe I am dumb but I think the benefit of limming a conftown slot is worth more than its weight in wifom over your reads list

Then again, you're still here, so...

[Pavowski]

O wow, this is going to be interesting. The shock was the Doc?

Yeah, doc killed/saved but actually killed enchant who claimed doc trying to draw a scum kill

And then got got himself

Kinda funny actually

[Pavowski]

I just realized that for town, the potential of eliminating scum is higher than the potential of eliminating town on this round

It doesn't make things easier but it's interesting at least

[Pavowski]

Finally, a reason to townread T3

[Pavowski]

roden's just a hunch.

How do people keep forgetting roden is confirmed town?

Unless this is just a joke in which case I am dumb

My posting has sucked today just because I'm kinda at a loss and don't love the fact we're likely in melo here, I was not ready for that transition

[Pavowski]

Nothing stopping you!

[Pavowski]

Uh random idea, I think we can technically stop twilight coordination for the night kills if Looker is wrong. If everyone claims scum and a random NK target, the real scum teams won't know who's actually scum and town. Basically to try to drown out coordination with WIFOM on who's true claiming scum and who's gambitting as town, to try to get scum to accidentally target each other or target the same slot to cancel the kill. Idk, it's a weird idea but it's better than hoping we can hammer and get an immediate thread lock from NM.

Does anyone think this is a bad idea?

You know, I've been kinda paralyzed by the fear that we're fooked if we get the lim wrong today but I think this is a good way to give town a chance

I'd townlock roden for this if you weren't already confirmed

[Pavowski]

To be fair, if it works the next day would be chaotic as hell but at least it wouldn't be an auto win for scum overnight

[Pavowski]

I don't think rushing is a good idea. We have 5 days and no one's laid out any contingencies. If I'm town, who's mafia? If I'm fire, who's mafia? If I'm ice, who's mafia? I get that Roden is confirmed town, but that doesn't justify blindly following him. Especially when Pavowski and Auro aren't trying to meter out the pace. I'm still reading - you guys should be caught up by now.

Dude if you're fire your partner is dead already

And I would hardly call the current pace of the game "rushing"

[Pavowski]

I am hardly single-minded

At best I'm half of one mind

I've barely said a thing about your slot aside from townreading it when Bingle was in it by the way

[Pavowski]

I was just about to do that.

Intent to hammer.

If we're gonna scramble a galaxy brain ploy to stave off a scum autowin if we're wrong here, we should start thinking about it.

[Pavowski]

Wait what? How is this not over?

[Pavowski]

[Pavowski]

Darby help

[Pavowski]

I am not speaking to youuuuuuuuuu

[Pavowski]

WAIT I have an idea if you scummos feel like being sporting

[Pavowski]

Ok without town's consent here you're gonna be waiting the full week for the day to end and claim your victory, because I for one am a little salty right now

Now, you can do that, and that's fine and boring

OR

we could devise a scenario where we, by means of a gentleman's agreement (or gentlewomen's whatever it's not important), allow the fates to decide

Then, upon culmination of said scenario, everybody votes immediately as prescribed in our arrangement, and appropriate night actions (if necessary) are chosen to end the game

It would end the game quick and give town a prayer!

WHO'S WITH ME

YOU KNOW THIS SOUNDS LIKE FUN

[Pavowski]

I'll even make the odds like 10% for town since we are well and truly hosed here, c'mon you know you want to

[Pavowski]

It would take everybody, to be certain, so

[Pavowski]

[Pavowski]

i'll shoot pav

I don't have to take this VOTE: T3

[Pavowski]

I ain't skurrd

[Pavowski]

Wait what

WHAT

[Pavowski]

How am I ... How is this game .... WHAT

[Pavowski]

Darby T3 just handed us the game. How the hell did MC not kill? WTF is happening here

[Pavowski]

i killed auro because he was most likely to be vt

it's 50% for a nolim
i'll shoot pav

VOTE: nolim
pavlov you have been informed of your impending death

Am I overthinking here? Why the hell does town post this

And why in the everloving fook did MC not shoot? Hoping to squeeze T3 out and get a mislim on me or Darby for a solo win?

Jesus Christ why is this happening

[Pavowski]

Darby T3 just handed us the game. How the hell did MC not kill? WTF is happening here

I imagine it was because WIFOM. I assume she assumed ice would kill me instead and risk not accidentally taking out both scum and handing a town victory. I hate having this pressure tho. If you end up being scum I have thrown away a formerly unlikely town victory that is now 50/50. Let me think on it a little while longer.

Bro if you're scum here over t3 I'm deleting my account and never playing again

....ok maybe not but still

[Pavowski]

Nah I'm not gonna Galaxy Brain myself out of a win here. T3 outright scumclaimed. This is a town win and I'm not gonna screw it up

And if you're the other scum by some bizarre stretch then you deserve every inch of the win

And you also owe T3 a few dozen margaritas for throwing

VOTE: T3

[Pavowski]

T3 expected MC to shoot you after saying he'd shoot me and wanted a solo win.

MC expected T3 to shoot me and no-killed, thinking they could finagle a solo win in elo.

MC was already irritated that T3 didn't play ball before

This is how it went

This is how it has to have gone

[Pavowski]

Ok I'm done unless you want to discuss further

[Pavowski]

Thoughts on the set-up? There a lot of little things that could be handled in different ways in this set-up so looking for people's thoughts

Any thoughts on taking out the kill flavors? I'm not sure which I prefer, but I do feel it gives a lot of information and the game might be more difficult/interesting without it

I dunno, town shoulda got rolled in this one despite hitting scum d1

[Pavowski]

the no-kill was explained here. t3 was obviously trying a misguided solo, so i told him exactly why he couldnt do that. he did it anyway. ngl im a little mad lol, but i misplayed the previous day so i probably shouldnt be.

t3 im not shooting tonight, you can shoot me if you want but you'll lose

@t3

i wish we could just do this the easy "you shoot darby i'll shoot pav" way but you made it pretty clear last night that youre not interested in co-operation lol. i'll no-kill, you shoot whichever townie want, and tomorrow we can either eliminate the remaining townie together for the jointwin. or if you really want, you can vote me tomorrow and gamble on the remaining townie kingmaking you (but i dont really get why you'd do this, the role pm says the jointwin is a win).

Not gonna lie, I was too gobsmacked the game was still alive to go back and find that post, lol

[Pavowski]

Anyway this’ll be my last game for a bit in my short time of the site. I’ve been having serious trouble focusing on anything in general never mind something of this caliber. I really enjoy these games so I hope to see all of you at some point in the future when brain machine isn’t broke lol.

Take it easy D!

[Pavowski]

oh my GOD
i thought she was forced to kill in the night for some reason so i decided that if esther shot me i wouldn't let her win i completely missed that she was going to nkill AHHHHH

This is actually not a terrible assumption, esp given that the doctor is explicitly described as compulsive

[Pavowski]

Yeah, committing to the joint win early was a hard mistake because you can’t guess how the other party reacts

yeah, for some reason i decided that 1:1:2 was a win. i spent pretty much the entire game miscounting players and fundamentally misunderstanding the game state, definitely not great play on my end.

I am not mad at you or t3 for the way it played out

I just lost a monster of a game and I will take this win however it comes

We're not gonna talk about how deep I was in MC's pocket though, nope not at all