Micro 1038: Brass and Shrapnel - Game Over

[imaginality]

I actually don't think I've played with anybody on this list

Except maybe Flea? Were we in a trust fall game a little while ago, maybe?

I've also played with Flea but that's all I think.

Bring on the mayhem!

VOTE: zefiend

Handy of you to use your username to admit you're scum.

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VOTE: Eden

Imaginality and LGW town.
Pavwoski and zefiend probs town.
^.^

Can I be town?

Cracking under the pressure already, hey?

VOTE: Eden'sFlame

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And there's a Mafia factional doc

Is that so?

The setup just says Mafia roleblocker OR Mafia Doc...

VOTE: Little Green Wheels

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Why would a scum player give out that many trs?

A first step towards pocketing some of them?

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VOTE: Cheeky

for handing out TRs to half the plist

I see that the Onion is taking a very layered approach to this game

Get out

No need to cry over it

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Happy Boxing Day!

The tone of post 72 reads scum to me, I wouldn't be opposed to an UNOwen lim, but I also still like my vote on LGW whose post since my vote haven't shifted my read.

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To me something about the wording of it feels like it comes from someone posting with a guilty conscience.

It's not much to go on, but we've only had 4 pages so it's not like there's a lot else to dig into yet.

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1. You weren't asking about a vote on you.
2. Phrasing. "Explain why to me" rings like someone wanting to understand the reasoning behind the vote. "What's the thinking here" feels a little more like what someone says when they know there are valid reasons to consider them scum and are wondering if the player is voting them for a good reason or is right for the wrong reasons.

That's my gut feel about the phrasing and since it is just an instinctual impression that's why I said it seems tonally scummy

to me

: I recognise it's possible others have different impressions of those posts.

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1. You weren't asking about a vote on you.
2. Phrasing. "Explain why to me" rings like someone wanting to understand the reasoning behind the vote. "What's the thinking here" feels a little more like what someone says when they know there are valid reasons to consider them scum and are wondering if the player is voting them for a good reason or is right for the wrong reasons.

That's my gut feel about the phrasing and since it is just an instinctual impression that's why I said it seems tonally scummy

to me

: I recognise it's possible others have different impressions of those posts.

Do you think Owen is bussing?

I thought Owen's first vote earlier could have been distancing, the E-1 vote is unlikely to be, though.

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And there's a Mafia factional doc

And there's a Mafia factional doc

Is that so?

The setup just says Mafia roleblocker OR Mafia Doc...

VOTE: Little Green Wheels

I don't necessarily think mass claim is a great idea (appreciate the work, zef). We should just play the game out.

And yes, it says there could be a maf rolecop too, but I don't know the utility of one so why worry about it?

1. You weren't asking about a vote on you.
2. Phrasing. "Explain why to me" rings like someone wanting to understand the reasoning behind the vote. "What's the thinking here" feels a little more like what someone says when they know there are valid reasons to consider them scum and are wondering if the player is voting them for a good reason or is right for the wrong reasons.

That's my gut feel about the phrasing and since it is just an instinctual impression that's why I said it seems tonally scummy

to me

: I recognise it's possible others have different impressions of those posts.

Do you think Owen is bussing?

I thought Owen's first vote earlier could have been distancing, the E-1 vote is unlikely to be, though.

So to be clear, my "slip" weighs more than Owen's "tonally scummy" question, correct?

An assumption is made that all Town tells the truth.

(and I dunno where and how much psychology features in your maths but there are certainly possible motivations for town to lie here)

I would like you to give me some examples where town could be motivated to lie. I understand that gambits exist, but I would like you to walk me thru a hypothetical where it could be beneficial. And I also understand that by posting an example, scum will be aware of it. But in a game with potential town-lies, that's an added layer of WIFOM so I don't see the harm in sharing.

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Just to be clear @LGW, the following

So to be clear, my

"slip"

weighs more than Owen's "tonally scummy" question, correct?

refers to the post below?

I don't necessarily think mass claim is a great idea (appreciate the work, zef). We should just play the game out.

And yes, it says there could be a

maf rolecop

too, but I don't know the utility of one so why worry about it?

I'm trying to understand the rationale for faking a "slip" where you don't know the setup.

refers to the post below?

That was what I was referring to.

The slip was in #38 (first quote above, stating without qualification that there's a mafia doc) not #57 (LGW's attempt to excuse the slip).

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Votes against Eden are agreeable.

Why?

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Btw:

The slip was in #38 (first quote above, stating without qualification that there's a mafia doc) not #57 (LGW's attempt to excuse the slip).

Is your read on LGW entirely based on believing that post 38 was a slip?

There was a little bit of a sense that LGW was overly conscious of how others perceive them. I actually find their recent posts better but the way the wagon went is suspicious - basically I agree with this point:

I'm still fine with a LGW flip - but would like to poke around. I don't like that LGW stalled out at E-1 there are two reasons for that resistance. LGW is scum and buddy is off wagon or LGW is town and both scum already on wagon. So good flip either way imo.

If I were to shift my vote it would be onto Eden because I like your explanation for your vote on them.

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I think there's one scum in these two players so that rules out TvT fmpov.

Right but why do you think this? I get thinking LGW could be scum independently but I'm not understanding what about their interaction means one is likely to be scum.

It has nothing to do with them interacting and everything to do with the "slip" either LGW did slip or imaginality is pushing it as a slip because they know that role does exist as they are scum. It's moonlogic but that's how I roll ^.^

If others see it this way I'm happy to unvote LGW and be the hammer vote (in case LGW is supersaint).

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While we're waiting for the official word, the reason I think it's either or is from the setup link:

Mafia has a factional Roleblock OR a factional Doctor protection

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The wiki needs updating then because as worded that's not what it says at all

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Also VOTE: unvote since if LGW is familiar with the previous game then the slip wasn't a slip.

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The vote: unvote? That's just how the vote tags present it.

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Imaginality was your sus on LGW entirely related to the slip?

Yeah, and some vague hunch from their earlier posts that they seem a bit hyperconscious of how they're seen by others, but their posts since my vote seem okay so now that the slip's resolved I don't think there's enough to justify a vote anymore.

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And hi T3, love a good alt slip

Are you gonna like stick to the Onion thing or...?

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Only two days?

VOTE: Eden'sFlame

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D2 is going to be such a contrast with like the three surviving players having half a dozen flips to analyse

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I'll aim at Flea

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I'll aim at Flea

Why?

Your vote on me felt a little opportunistic given the timing.

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Thinking more about the question CheekyTeeky put out there

VOTE: CheekyTeeky

Because getting us to declare targets helps scum most as they know who to doc/roleblock

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Can we get more votes on zefiend plz.

I was thinking the same. Conveniently pops up to try to make it a 1v1 between us.

VOTE: zefiend

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I'm a bad lim, keep me around and watch me take the scumteam down now this game has finally got going.
I'd be happy to unvote zefiend temporarily if people want me to be the hammer vote there.

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VOTE: Unvote
Will be around to hammer if Pav or someone puts zefiend back at E-1

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Ask UNOwen for their thoughts too

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I think with two wagons both close to lim looking at the movements could be revealing particularly if zefiend is scum.

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Not hammering yourself then.

VOTE: imaginality

I would've if it was between me and no-lim. As it was,with zefiend also de facto E-1, it was reasonable for me to hope Pav or someone would vote zefiend and let me hammer him instead.

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Yep good hammer in the face of not much data
Gg all