Micro 1040: Shirley, You Blitz!

[WINfried]

[poke]MegAzumarill[/poke]

Pls poke someone.

[WINfried]

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[WINfried]

Can we not vote for multiple people? And what do you think of schadd?

[WINfried]

I'm gonna call that a jester I think.

[WINfried]

Fair enough.

[poke]AtE[/poke]

[WINfried]

[unpoke]meg[/unpoke]

[WINfried]

I'm wondering why anyone would have an interest in claiming jester. But I don't see any harm here so I guess we can do that.

[WINfried]

I'm wondering why anyone would have an interest in claiming jester. But I don't see any harm here so I guess we can do that.

The idea is if anyone claims Jester, they're a relatively safe choice for a D1 lim. Jester has a reason to claim, or at least one or two of them might, because we would eliminate them.

Since the whole Jester thing means we have extremely few Townies, it's a hell of a risk to just lim blindly here, whereas this generates an amount of content to inform future eliminations, while avoiding a D1 mislim and instant MeLo

I still don't get it but I absolutely do not see the harm so count me in, if you're wanna do that.

[WINfried]

i dont feel like anyone in particular that has posted is town although i did go back and notice that galron was confirmed so that was nice

I am going to interpret this as Jester Claim #1

VOTE: schadd_

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[poke]Radical Rat[/poke]

Why are you voting already?

[WINfried]

Also I'd like to hardclaim not jester.

Me too.

i'm not really sold that jesters will like fool around to try to get voted

If the alternative is town fooling around assuming not to get voted a jester sounds more likely.

[WINfried]

[WINfried]

Free townread for the first person to show up.

[WINfried]

[WINfried]

I'd tell you to poke someone but at this point I'd probably just scumread anyone who would do anything I suggested.

[WINfried]

Heyo what up, too many pages for me to read, can someone give me a tl;dr of the game state?

-one of the heads

if you're a nontown you help yeet the IC. tomorrow there will be three townies so all nontowns can massclaim (on day 2) and then we form an anti town voting bloc and start doing a cycle of yeet jester -> nk townie -> yeet scum -> nk townie -> yeet jester -> nk townie -> yeet jester -> nk townie and then everyone except town loses

btw theres no reason NOT to openwolf

Bugs is the first not-town here trying to look like he's explicitly jester. I'm leaning towards scum trying to hide as jester there.

[WINfried]

VOTE: Not_Mafia
VOTE: bugspray

Doesn't much matter to me Which Jester and/or Scum get their clown scholarship, or at least not who gets one first.

If we can discern who is more likely to be scum of the two it matters to me a lot. Between NM and bugspray, bugspray seems like a better choice to me currently. I asked you this before and I'm still wondering, why are you even already voting? We haven't even seen all the players yet.

[WINfried]

[WINfried]

It might be contagious.

[WINfried]

Prove me wrong.

Literally nothing meg has done has raised eyebrows for me here. Or is this basically "too town to be town" logic?

[WINfried]

Heyo what up, too many pages for me to read, can someone give me a tl;dr of the game state?

-one of the heads

if you're a nontown you help yeet the IC. tomorrow there will be three townies so all nontowns can massclaim (on day 2) and then we form an anti town voting bloc and start doing a cycle of yeet jester -> nk townie -> yeet scum -> nk townie -> yeet jester -> nk townie -> yeet jester -> nk townie and then everyone except town loses

btw theres no reason NOT to openwolf

Bugs is the first not-town here trying to look like he's explicitly jester. I'm leaning towards scum trying to hide as jester there.

Why not vote them?

I might still change my mind if Snow Marty writes an even better application letter for clown college. And I hope this issue is going to be resolved in hours, not days.

[WINfried]

Bler, this is taking too long, so if anyone puts bugspray on E-1 I will hammer.

[WINfried]

That sounds way less fun than hammering, so, no.

[WINfried]

You don't know my f5 skills.

[WINfried]

Besides bugspray what are your reads?

I usually don't think about reads beyond what I need for the next decision, but:

NM: jester. bugspray unfortunately didn't take my bait, but they somewhat did and that makes me wanna hang them even less.
AtE: probably town. they should give more input here, but i can understand they wait for marty.
shadd: probably town. I really disliked their entry here but since then they give me pretty towny vibes.
you/ratt: undecided, I don't like how both of you don't care too much who goes down today. It only makes sense if you are absolutely certain all of the obvious clown college applicants are jesters, but if that is your stance, you should be advertising for not eliminating ANY of those.

[WINfried]

They have constantly try to gamesolve since their stupid entry. It's not too uncommon for town to start the game with some bullshit unfortunately.

[WINfried]

I hardread shadd as jester

N_M is trolling which is NAI
I think bugspray is scum

I'd like to know how these reads

VOTE: N_M
VOTE: Bugspray

Two best elim options atm

can be in harmony with these votes? Why even place a vote on NM if you think bugspray is scum?

[WINfried]

RH9: Who do you think should be sent to clown college today?

[WINfried]

I stopped reading at vanilla town and replied confirm vanilla town

And this is a lie because the role PM also requires you to confirm the voting rules explicitly

mod error occured

jingle this is the greatest game of mafia i ever played and I will make sure to join your next game too.

[WINfried]

Considering I already stated my intent to vote for bugspray (which would put him at E-1), every case made for waiting without actually directly asking me to hold back my vote feels a bit more like posturing than an actual desire to wait.

[WINfried]

Ah I misgendered bugspray again. Sorry bugspray.

[WINfried]

I like bugspray more than NM, but both bugspray and NM feel a little to easy to be scum.

[WINfried]

But it would honestly be fucking stupid to get a miselim on town today... so here we go I guess.

VOTE: bugspray

[WINfried]

There. You're on E-1.

[WINfried]

Bugspray seems even more obvious today as they did not self hammer yesterday and I really do not think they are town. So, I don't see anything else that could be preferable today really.

I don't think RH9 is town after their entrance yesterday and I am puzzled why both RR and Meg see him as town, what. I mean he hammered NM, when bugspray was at E-1 and actively did not self-hammer. What about that is town?

Assuming bugspray flips scum, town would then be for me:
Me, Galron, AtE, Shadd

Which leaves for not town:
RH9, RR, Meg

RH9 leans into jester, as them voting for NM looked pretty bad, and I think intentionally. This way they got NM eliminated and started to set up their own elimination.

RR leans into scum, I think they clearly don't want to get elimmed but their votes still seem like they don't care much who exactly goes down.

I am getting conflicting signals by Meg. Don't really know where in which camp to put them.

[WINfried]

After their entry, almost all of their posts seem to be driven by town motivation. And as I said before, it wouldn't be the first time some townie did some silly bs after entering the game.

VOTE: not_mafia there has to be a firstvote

VOTE: galron

So this was the bad stuff and now just comes a wall of townpings?

does like nobody else understand the joy of voting the confirmed town person??? is Nobody upset?? frustrated?? that they don't get to do it because i did it already??

+town

ok here's my first good vote

VOTE: radical rat

• so this is a blitz game and it looks like we have a handful of dawdlers in the pl here. everytime you say "poke player" imagine youre poking me in the eye socket/temple to try to give me a headache. anyway if i want to move towards a good execution meaningfully it occurs to me to act fast
  
• i do think that radical rat voting me was a sign of someone wanting an excuse to get a vote down, which is something that non-town alignments are generally happy to do
  
• idrc if i end up voting a jester. crack eggs to make an omelette

pedit hello! i do know the voting rules and am town. i voted galron for fun, which is actually very obviously a possibility

+town

i'm not really sold that jesters will like fool around to try to get voted

+town

Well i just have the one vote & incidentally i dont believe it was from town

+town

idt jesters would do that

+town

i dont think not mafia needs to be voted necessarily

+town

for now i might place winfried as town

+town

i don't see why it is most likely that they are jester

+town

the thing about it is that any player is capable of doing some sort of jester-like performance whenever they feel like it. i think a key aspect of bugspray's play here is that they chose to vote galron.

+town

was there something that changed your mind about that

+town

sooort of neutral on azumarill. i slightly suspect that they arent a jester ?

+town

do u have any ideas as to who your partner is

+town

id be inclined to think rh9 is one of the several town. which also helps explain the period before the rep in where it felt like everyone that was posting was a wolf

+town

[WINfried]

I mean maybe they are just bored and roleplay townie for fun now but as there seems to be considerable thought in their comments, I'm reading that as town overall.

[WINfried]

[WINfried]

Deadline is approaching and I won't be there near it but votes need to come out ASAP.
VOTE: Winfried
Voting my second highest scumread

This looks like you want me to send you to clown college. I tend to not OMGUS vote, but I don't think you know that.

what happens if the elim threshold would lower and more than one player would be eliminated

This reeks of nervousness of getting eliminated and looks like the opposite.

Not seeing a straight agenda, maybe you're just town and to be fair, there was only one weird thing you did this game. I'd also feel a little guilty if I eliminated town you, not gonna lie.

Nothing changed on the bugspray slot. Not sure why this doesn't have all the votes yet.
VOTE: bugspray

[WINfried]

[WINfried]

My hardest townread is still shadd. If I'm wrong about that and they are scum in hiding I'm just screwed I guess.

I don't want to go into endless reverse psychology spirals so I'm just trying to Occam's razor it and go for what seems most plausible to me.

That means the ones most trying to look like town (and aren't shadd) are probably scum. And that's Meg and RR for me. RR has posted a lot of pro-town looking busywork, and Megs displayed reactions to the game state that seemed town to me, while making sensible calls for action, asking players for activity, votes, etc.

That's where I'm at right now.

[WINfried]

weird to think that both of the executions so far have been people seeming to do like very obvious jester moves. and i think that regardless of who the last jesters are they've been playing a pretty honest game, which is weird. i think the closest that could come to being untrue is if it's exactly radical rat & ate, the former advancing a pretty plainly pro-scum thingy at the expense of any attempt in particular to solve the game & ate for maybe just playing in an odd and wolfy way

separately, thinking that rh9's hammer on NM was odd

The part where I thought that N_M was on E-1?

I genuinely thought that.

[WINfried]

I think Meg is the most likely to be scum here.

VOTE: MegAzumarill

[WINfried]

Wtf? You gotta be kidding me?

[WINfried]

I don't think you'd troll the game so hard to just self-hammer if you were scum, so I'll just believe this. But boy. Haha wtf.

[WINfried]

At this point this feels more like guessing than anything else, but:

VOTE: WINfried
VOTE: schadd_

I think they're buddies.

And I think RR is trying to attract votes from players who are unlikely to be voted out before they are. That move neither makes sense if they are scum nor if they are town (maybe if they are tilted but I don't believe that). And they have theorycrafted this game so hard and then they just double vote at the start of the day and hope for the best or what? I doubt that is the best strategy they could have come up with.

RR probably has picked up they are one of the prime target for elim by looking at players preferences and hopes to carry it home here. Don't believe it. Meanwhile RH9 and AtE are trying to derp their way out of this game by competing in making the clowniest posts and are my best bet for the scum team currently.

[WINfried]

It's mostly this post. Like, most of this is completely NAI to me, some even slightly scum indicative, so you putting a bunch of emphasis on how it makes schadd_ town seems like you might be defending your buddy.

What is scum indicative in there?

[WINfried]

This is the post on shadd with explanations added why I did not think any of the statements were merely NAI, I thought it was pretty obvious especially in context of all the other null- or antitownposting going on in the beginning, but anyhow:

After their entry, almost all of their posts seem to be driven by town motivation. And as I said before, it wouldn't be the first time some townie did some silly bs after entering the game.

VOTE: not_mafia there has to be a firstvote

VOTE: galron

So this was the bad stuff and now just comes a wall of townpings?

does like nobody else understand the joy of voting the confirmed town person??? is Nobody upset?? frustrated?? that they don't get to do it because i did it already??

+town, because it displays his attachment to his reaction test. They cared about what happened there.

ok here's my first good vote

VOTE: radical rat

• so this is a blitz game and it looks like we have a handful of dawdlers in the pl here. everytime you say "poke player" imagine youre poking me in the eye socket/temple to try to give me a headache. anyway if i want to move towards a good execution meaningfully it occurs to me to act fast
  
• i do think that radical rat voting me was a sign of someone wanting an excuse to get a vote down, which is something that non-town alignments are generally happy to do
  
• idrc if i end up voting a jester. crack eggs to make an omelette

pedit hello! i do know the voting rules and am town. i voted galron for fun, which is actually very obviously a possibility

+town, because they are literally trying to sort radical rate here. and them hating my poking is honestly just... an expectable town reaction unfortunately. for some reason townies don't like it when someone tries something that isn't in line with how they want to play.

i'm not really sold that jesters will like fool around to try to get voted

+town, because they are debating how facts are to be read to correctly sort alignments

Well i just have the one vote & incidentally i dont believe it was from town

+town, because they sort the vote Radical Rat casted on them.

idt jesters would do that

+town, because they are again trying to argue how alignments need to be sorted.

i dont think not mafia needs to be voted necessarily

+town, because they show hesitation against a policy(?) kill and again show their willingness to rather cast a correct vote.

for now i might place winfried as town

+town, general sorting of a slot (also coincidentally correct, but that's beside the point).

i don't see why it is most likely that they are jester

+town, because they are caring about and questioning the reads other people make.

the thing about it is that any player is capable of doing some sort of jester-like performance whenever they feel like it. i think a key aspect of bugspray's play here is that they chose to vote galron.

+town, again, trying to sort a slot.

was there something that changed your mind about that

+town, because it is critical questioning of another players change in opinion.

sooort of neutral on azumarill. i slightly suspect that they arent a jester ?

+town, because they are trying to sort the Meg slot and show genuine looking insecurity about them there.

do u have any ideas as to who your partner is

+town, because they are fishing for associations here.

id be inclined to think rh9 is one of the several town. which also helps explain the period before the rep in where it felt like everyone that was posting was a wolf

+town, because it is a feeling I can completely mindmeld with, sometimes the entire table just doesn't feel right, and that was especially the case in this game

Sucks to eliminate Town by accident, but I do still think it put us into a better spot overall

... I'd ask you if we're even in the same game if I didn't think you were a jester.

So some advice, Winfried. You shouldn't be too generous in giving out townleans. It's a mistake I often make.

For example, I once gave RR a free TR and after they replaced out, their predecessor, fferyllt, scumslipped. However, under my believe that RR's slot was town for their earlier posts, I failed to catch that. (We won anyways, though.)

This friendly, and maybe honest, advice somewhat feels like leaking that RH9 is aware I am not in the scumteam.

Sidenote: I hope "they" is okay as a general pronoun for all people? Not a native speaker but I'm trying to get this right.

[WINfried]

I think there was a general change of tone in RH9s posts from trying to appear jestery to trying to appear more serious since shadd and I anounced a preference to vote for them. Which probably means they aren't happy with dying and they are not a jester.

[WINfried]

All that being that, I think there is a slim possibility that RH9 has some high IQ strat trying to play pro town? And I'm not seeing that for AtE at all, they're just trying to spam the thread with nonsense and be unreadable.

[WINfried]

VOTE: AtE

[WINfried]

I have to look at this from 3 angles:

1) shadd town: That makes shadd just right about beating scum, I still would not want to lose to jesters by a kingmaking scum, when we can prevent this by eliminating scum immediately.

2) shadd maf: The player's motives and reads have been so obfuscated in this game, I am not willing to simply believe they didn't think I was jester (even though I would see it as a pretty strange read as I probably would just clownpost all day if I was jester, but stranger conclusions have been drawn in this game).

3) shadd jester: In this case shadd either speculated their theory would backfire immediately, or they townread me and have a followup plan for tomorrow in mind.

I do not see 3) being very likely. In particular: I have no idea what they would do tomorrow if they are jester. 1) is probably still the most likely possibility here, then 2), then 3). But from my view, if you correctly lock me as town, it would be just as or even more (depending on if we find scum today) game winning as locking shadd as town, so I have to cover all possibilities here and disagree with shadd's suggestion.

If it's gonna be me or someone else, this might be the first day where I'll cast 2 votes on the players I think not being jesters. Haven't made up my mind yet, who I think is the jester here though. RRs kneejerk agreeal with shadd seemed like a jester in panic mode because they read town would win and felt like they had to do something quickly.

[WINfried]

(also, while RH9 did hammer, they really hesitated a long time before they did)

[WINfried]

There is only one scum left, but I don't know who it is.

[WINfried]

That would require both of them knowing the player they are going to hammer is town. But that's somewhat beside the point. If the choice is just about another townie dying or me, I'll still take the other townie.

[WINfried]

GG all.

I lost the game but I am happy I had the right reads about other slots in the end so that's something.

I read RH9 as town because he was really reading the game dangerously well. He was (I believe) the first one to detect I accidentally smothered shadd in townreads, because I forgot in the beginning other people could be scum in this town.

[WINfried]

I think you accidentally leaked your role here RR:

AtE's votes right now are schadd_, WINfried, and Galron.

RH9 and myself have both posted without hammering.

This means that either AtE is scum, or both scum are already on their wagon. Galron is of course not scum, so there are exactly two possibilities right now.

That was when AtE was at E-1, but hasn't shown up in the thread yet. You did not take into account AtE could have still been Jester, that's what finally made me somewhat lock you as jester.

[WINfried]

Yeah but there was the possibility that AtE is neither scum

nor

both scum on the wagon. Scum would have only hammered when they could have been sure he is not a jester.

[WINfried]

I would have waited if something better arises on a more town looking slot (me or shadd), but fair point I guess.

[WINfried]

I have nothing to redact in mafia PT! Thank you Jingle!

[WINfried]

Gr8 thanks for the insights, galron!