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[jjh927]

Greeting

[jjh927]

The bombay is town but unfortunately at least half does not understand run-on sentences

[jjh927]

Very uncool vote though

[jjh927]

It's just generally uncool.

At any rate, to avoid run-on sentences you should use a semi colon rsther than a comma where you have two separate clauses but want them within the same sentence as they are related. There is an example in your latest post.

[jjh927]

There's no game reason that makes it uncool at this stage. I just wished to disparage you by informing you that voting for jjh927 is not considered a cool action.

[jjh927]

I dunno, Bombay is well over my day 1 bar for towniness and I don't think it's a fake PR

[jjh927]

There are a lot of subreddits

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Also, my role PM is more related to the purpose of the subreddit than to the subreddit's existence itself, but I imagine both could be possible, which means role PMs have a lot of potential scope

[jjh927]

You don't need to flavourclaim
I think you should have said enough to satisfy people already

[jjh927]

We're gonna be popping in and disagreeing with each other on menial things all the time this game

[jjh927]

There is a veery high concentration of high skill players in this playerlist

[jjh927]

I am phoneposting

[jjh927]

Why do you think it's weird that I am happy to defend a stated townread from a push with a role related angle? Is it because you are voting me? Should I be more unwilling to TR you because you voted me? Uncool people are frequently town

[jjh927]

Skitter is town

[jjh927]

Lld cannot be placed day 1
Mastina will be placed easily at some point in this day

I don't know when I will have reads on other players but for now I can say that it is far too early to be shaking me down for reads

[jjh927]

In day 1, you do not need to do a lot to find town. You should always remember that the vast majority of the game is town and the bar ought to be relatively low.

You are absolutely not going to get me to elaborate on my reads while I am phoneposting at 5am on page 7

[jjh927]

If I appear hostile here it is because you have asked me about half a dozen times to do a thing that is absolutely going to disrupt my natural flow for day 1, and the only notable purpose is to facilitate you placing me. I already have you as town. I don't need to watch you placing me to get a better read on you. I'd rather just wait for some more people to pop in than perpetually engage with the repeated "But why"

[jjh927]

You are welcome to meta me on it right now

[jjh927]

Signing is extremely helpful when you are both posting simultaneously

[jjh927]

VOTE: Shiro

Clearly the second cat is the scum version of the town one

[jjh927]

What's your line here on Bombay then? Guessing it's different to LLD's

[jjh927]

Also I don't think 3 mafia is confirmed?

[jjh927]

Yeah it's not

Could be 2 scum

Could include 3p(s)

[jjh927]

Those were two separate possible scenarios that might overlap

[jjh927]

I want it on record that I don't think there's 2 scum and a third party

The point I was making is that nothing has been confirmed with regards to alignment numbers

[jjh927]

You don't need to flavourclaim
I think you should have said enough to satisfy people already

VOTE: jjh
This reeks of whiteknighting. Especially because LLD is a very loud player.

Elaborate

You are free to call out "whiteknighting" if you like. Without pointing out any cool buzzwords, what makes you think this is scum aligned behaviour in this instance?

[jjh927]

the chess game siwtching upside down on each turn is slightly disorienting, making an observation that it seems possibly vaguely related to t3

The chess game is being played out on lichess by the looks of things. The board is switching every turn to show the perspective of the player playing each move

[jjh927]

If you want a bit of amateur analysis on the chess game I can oblige as it progresses

Obviously we're not far in here but white has a bit of an edge positionally as they've developed more
Black probably wants to play knight g6 but that blocks off an important diagonal for developing the dark bishop and the queen, whereas white has established early control of the centre
Plenty of room for it to play out though given this is just openings and I can't really gauge the skill of the players at all at this stage

I think the thing I am going to try to gauge in particular is how similar in skill the players are, because the closer it is the more likely it is that it's one person playing against themself

[jjh927]

If you want a bit of amateur analysis on the chess game I can oblige as it progresses

Obviously we're not far in here but white has a bit of an edge positionally as they've developed more
Black probably wants to play knight

f6

but that blocks off an important diagonal for developing the dark bishop and the queen, whereas white has established early control of the centre
Plenty of room for it to play out though given this is just openings and I can't really gauge the skill of the players at all at this stage

I think the thing I am going to try to gauge in particular is how similar in skill the players are, because the closer it is the more likely it is that it's one person playing against themself

ebwop

[jjh927]

I am not bad at chess but I do not subscribe to any chess subreddits and thus it was not one of my picks

[jjh927]

My current guess is that it's the mods playing against each other for some reason

[jjh927]

I'm gonna go to bed

I'm wfh tomorrow so might pop into this game occasionally, particularly if T3 shows up because I will now state my intention to shake him down and see if a town thought process falls out

[jjh927]

You don't need to flavourclaim
I think you should have said enough to satisfy people already

VOTE: jjh
This reeks of whiteknighting. Especially because LLD is a very loud player.

Elaborate

You are free to call out "whiteknighting" if you like. Without pointing out any cool buzzwords, what makes you think this is scum aligned behaviour in this instance?

okay. you're reassuring and calling bombay town in order to gain their trust.

What makes you think this is scum aligned behaviour in this instance?

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Just so we're clear on what I want here T3, what you did there was define the buzzword rather than identify any underlying reason for why you think it is scum aligned behaviour, through which you continue to display a simplistic outlook that is easily faked by scum as you are not actually looking for scum but rather things that people commonly agree (regardless of their accuracy) are considered "scummy".

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Oh, and continuing my commentary on the chess game there

Black did play the predicted nf6 there which threatens the e4 pawn. White will inevitably play nc3 next, black probably does be7 to open up for castling and then the game should start to actually open up a bit depending on white's move following that

[jjh927]

On an unrelated note, jjh, what is your read of Mastina?

I have a tendency to just townread Mastina. This is correct most of the time, but my awareness of the tendency still lowers my faith on my early Mastina reads

Currently I am townreading Mastina

[jjh927]

What did either SirCakez or StrangeMatter do in the first 8 pages for you to consider them town?

[jjh927]

Those were basically rvs votes on you though

[jjh927]

I think if you give Dwlee a question with a big scope, like "explain all of your reads at once", they're not gonna answer it in the way you want

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I have been somewhat satisfied with the response regarding sircakez and strangematter, who I feel are probably the 2 strangest names dwlee removed to obtain the poe, and think I can follow the thought process, implying its legitimacy, even though I do not agree with it

I probably would have asked about the other 4 sequentially otherwise

[jjh927]

For convenience, the other 4 removed names are myself, Mastina, Suripoko, and The Bombay

[jjh927]

Actually now that you've said Mastina should be obvious I suddenly care about you explaining that one

[jjh927]

She claims that all the time as a meme

[jjh927]

That is a surprise

Well, FYI, Mastina frequently memeclaims mason, particularly if she is in a neighbourhood that is not a masonry, although inevitably also in the event that she was an actual mason or similarly functioning role (however the likelihood of this scenario is statistically low)

[jjh927]

That d3 pawn is the weaker move

I hope whoever made it was put off by me saying nc3 was the best way to protect that pawn and just didn't want to copy me

Sure, they can develop their dark square bishop now and in fact without doing so already control a reasonable diagonal, but they've passed up on developing their knight with tempo and they don't gain any more centre control from this.

[jjh927]

I think I'd try pawn d5 here, which would really open things up and I think generally results in black gaining a positional advantage, but I could see myself being wrong there

[jjh927]

Just so we're clear on what I want here T3, what you did there was define the buzzword rather than identify any underlying reason for why you think it is scum aligned behaviour, through which you continue to display a simplistic outlook that is easily faked by scum as you are not actually looking for scum but rather things that people commonly agree (regardless of their accuracy) are considered "scummy".

[jjh927]

Basically no, you are not getting off by saying "that's fairly obvious" when I am trying to see whether you are thinking at all beyond seeing something you can justifiably call scummy which I don't think has any real foundation behind it

[jjh927]

I could very easily have found you Poirot in a hat if you wanted

[jjh927]

Spoiler: Some potentially helpful images for memeing my current avatar

I'm not giving you all my reaction images though

I spent many hours watching the cool 3 cour anime 'Agatha Christie's Great Detectives Poirot and Marple' and I intend to use these screenshots

[jjh927]

I want to say that besides for the times i cant tell what they're drawing, pookydra is doing a p decent job communicating

Possible to indicate somehow who's talking tho?

Also i dont really have a problem with jjh, saw a few people getting ponged by him

Yeah I'm gonna get to sircakez after I'm done with T3 who seems to have ran off

[jjh927]

Spoiler: Exploitable Poirot images volume 2

Here's some more

Anyway, I feel it should be very easy to comment on my play and interactions through images now

[jjh927]

Oh shit it's happening that's a fun move since black will no longer be able to castle and is kinda positionally fucked but white is trading a bishop for a pawn

All comes down to whether black knows how to defend against the attack that is to come

Can white capitalise on the positional advantage, or will black be able to weather the storm and reach a stable endgame a piece ahead?

Thing to remember here is that when black inevitably takes bishop with king, white's got check with ng5 loaded up and ready to go followed by a variety of scary options for moving the queen out. Black will need to successfully evacuate the king over towards the queenside

[jjh927]

Maybe I'm counting too hard on white actually having a gameplan here

People don't usually bishop sacrifice without thinking about it first though

[jjh927]

Do the other bishop next! Play bh6! Become the clown you are meant to be!

[jjh927]

Okay so that is a response to dwlee's 528 which brought up the question of why scum would want to be jailkept

You have highlighted that the jailkeep has two components in the form of a roleblock and a heal

I don't really get where you're going with that though

[jjh927]

T3's chess related push on dwlee is just bad and involves no critical thinking

If you know that the game was won/lost on time then;
Could Dwlee be a player?

There doesn't seem to be any evidence of premoves
If Dwlee was playing black, then black move 5 would have come much sooner assuming players knew that the game was on a timer
If Dwlee was playing white, then white move 4 would have come much sooner assuming players knew that the game was on a timer

[jjh927]

I guess I have neglected that T3 has backed it off, so at least he has realised it was bad

[jjh927]

I think Pooky's follow up in response to me was that the hand is indeed the roleblock and the heal element would be the thing that could easily have both town and scum motivation

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VOTE: SirCakez

[jjh927]

Sircakes, what is your most developed read

[jjh927]

Town or scum is fine; just give me the person you can say the most things about and prepare for a chat

[jjh927]

Pretty sure I'm completely different from doubles mafia here since I was being lazy then

[jjh927]

My playstyle depends on whether I am lazy or engaged

I feel they both have merits. People would probably rather I be engaged on the whole, but that winds up with me dying sooner

[jjh927]

Can we maybe back Dwlee away from e1 given the high concentration of clowns who vote without checking VCs

[jjh927]

Okay, so that's one you posted earlier

I get the hammer and the this is fine meme with you in the centre

Are you using the meme to convey that hammer is fine, or is it that hammer is bad?

[jjh927]

Is that indicating hammer is more imminent? This is really not straightforward

[jjh927]

Now then
I'm gonna address things in the order they happened
So first, that's the funny hammer

I guess I should have figured out that the fire was just part of the avatar. Not that it would have helped much; I just wouldn't have been the fool who made the funny hammer funnier

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Secondly, I'm pretty sure both T3 and Dwlee lied about the chess game, being confirmed fact in the second case
Not sure why either of them would think that would help them. T3 is probably still town so I don't really care how much I hear about that

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Third thing- not at all surprised by skitter nk. I greatly appreciate that we are now on plurality because that means we get to use the whole deadline this time

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VOTE: SirCakez

[jjh927]

SirCakez looked kinda scummy to me and then I looked at some past games and noticed some things
He's really hedging his bets in a lot of places in this game. Potentially controversial reads all follow the format "I think X but I am hesitant because Y", and his number 1 reason for scumreading people is "This pings me"

[jjh927]

Does it really?

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Do you think my vote on you and reasoning there make me scum? Because I'm pretty sure that actually is a scum indicative omgus due to the lack of thought process involved

Of course, if you don't think that then it would appear that you are doing a bit of shading through use of mindless buzzword

[jjh927]

LLD looks like town from her push on Dwlee regardless of Dwlee's alignment, I think
jjh keeps bothering me but like I can't point to one specific thing. I'm also cognizant that I misread him badly last time we played together in Doubles Mafia.
I don't like that T3 is spending more time commentating on the chess game than the game game.

more specifically, i think that dwlee should claim their color in the chess game.

although this might imply that T3's focus there is founded

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Cakez, why are you having trouble reading Bombay? Where are you on them after catch-up?

The PR is making me want to lean town + I badly misread notsci recently so I feel like I'm inclined to lean town even more

So like I really want to say they are town but there are factors making me biased here

[jjh927]

Controversial reads means the things people might disagree on

Your approach to me, T3, and the Bombay was entirely uncontroversial, in that you fencesat all 3 of us, hence my use of the phrase "potentially controversial reads"

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There you go
Here's a new question - do you think my reasons for not wanting to commit to a read on those players is bad? Because it's clear now that T3 is/was hiding something so I'm still inclined to hold back on my read there
And the thing I said about Bombay was the result of a mixup that I corrected posts later because notsci is not even in that hydra

I don't particularly care for the quality of reasoning there. It's more that you haven't had a single read that stands out from anyone else's, which is particularly notable as where it is impossible not to disagree with other people in the game due to there being 2 commonly held stances you have still sat roughly in the middle

[jjh927]

jjh927 seems like the type to give out boxes like that.

I have nothing to do with distributing boxes

[jjh927]

Ah, that confirms my thoughts on what they are

I don't know how they move around but they are very important to me

[jjh927]

I have nothing to do with giving them to people or how they move around

However the existence of them is related to my role, and I suspect probably at least one other player's as well as I know they move around despite personally having nothing to do with that.

[jjh927]

Quite a difficult role for me to talk about in any meaningful way as if I were to categorise it, then it could only be done in the broadest possible sense

[jjh927]

Why was it that you asked me and Ivan if we had anything to do with them?

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Anything else you can say about that slot?

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Or like, any slot?

Sircakes, what is your most developed read

[jjh927]

Which hydra head are you

I think your idea of the nature of subreddit I have selected may be quite incorrect

[jjh927]

And by the way, I think the reason you got a box at the start of the night phase is most likely to be that Dwlee had a box and it transferred to another player because dead players can't have things

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Or like, any slot?

Sircakes, what is your most developed read

I already told you my answer to this question and there has not been much to work with since you asked

Your answer was basically no, and then you gave a few single sentences on individuals

We've had a lim and a flip. I don't get how that can be described as not much to work with?

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I am literally just asking you who the slot is that you can go into the most detail on

[jjh927]

I mean, less than an hour ago your issue was the supposed lack of content and not your lack of time

[jjh927]

Well, fortunately for you this is plurality, so you get to sit there for the entire deadline with my vote on you

[jjh927]

Mechanical stuff is ALMOST nothing to do with my subreddit choice

[jjh927]

I mean, the point I'm making is you reached a correct conclusion from incorrect grounds

No more than that though

[jjh927]

I mean, you E-1ed someone like 3 days into the game

I blame the majority of people on the wagon for that, not just the hammerer

[jjh927]

That is, 3 irl days

The point is that town will sometimes just decide to hammer, and sometimes people hammer without realising, and sometimes scum fake either of these sentiments
The way to avoid a premature hammer is not to wagon people to E-1 that early in the game

PEdit: LLD because she was actually pushing there rather than just mindlessly jumping on
Mastina because I don't want to blame Mastina

Everyone else could really have just not voted there and it would have been at least as good for the purposes of me placing them and for them placing Dwlee

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I have no idea which it is

Scum!LLD is immensely capable of making a believable push on town. I'm under no illusions here- my blaming people for allowing the lim to happen has nothing to do with alignment. I just think people could have done better.
I just don't blame Mastina. Not a big reason; I just think she knew what she was doing and probably isn't that annoyed that the lim happened early, unlike you and SirCakez who are acting like the guy who hammered is a million times worse than people who piled on.

The other 4 votes are not necessarily mindless but they are surely votes under normative social influence if they are town

When a wagon is big, personally I ignore it and vote elsewhere with the intention of placing other slots. This will happen even if I started the wagon if I'm engaged enough and think we have enough time

[jjh927]

I don't really have a second scumread

[jjh927]

Because I haven't figured out who else is scum yet

This is frequently what happens with day 2 if you don't elim the first scum I identify in day 1

[jjh927]

I can and I will because you should have known that

Pretty sure both of you also voted without knowing how many votes were on Dwlee at the time

[jjh927]

Well, since it's pretty much out there

It would be greatly appreciated if everyone who currently possesses a box would make that clear, or otherwise explicitly claim they do not have one

I know how many are out there

[jjh927]

I don't think that does make sense

The ability Dwlee flipped with was quite powerful and if the other side of the game had anything similar then they might have a result of some kind they shouldn't be pressured to reveal

[jjh927]

What would you do if everyone said no? Elim T3 as the most likely liar? Because that means in the scenario of T3 town with mystery scum chess player, said mystery scum chess player has every incentive to just say no

[jjh927]

Actually I would interpret that in the exact opposite way

[jjh927]

Having a system where 50% of the time town get a cop, and 50% of the time scum get a PR of some kind is an extremely high level of swing

[jjh927]

The little swing option is 50% town gets a cop, 50% a different town gets a different similarly powerful ability

[jjh927]

I think if that was the case it wouldn't be a specific designated scumteam member

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This is purely me talking game design nonsense here, of course, but I would consider a scenario where playing a side in the chess match was functionally factional, else eliminating a specific member of the scumteam would cause an ability of a town player that is already limited to 50% use to cease functioning

[jjh927]

There is definitely a mod meta element given the role I gave Cabd in isekai upick as an extra variable to consider

[jjh927]

Well yeah, we're missing details here

[jjh927]

I think the main scenarios here are either that there's another town who was playing chess with a similarly powerful ability if they win
or that a random interchangeable person within the scumteam was the opponent

Either is quite possible

[jjh927]

T3 does absolutely require a good explanation for why he knew about the things he has claimed to know, but I don't think he would have claimed them if he didn't have one prepared, be it true or false

[jjh927]

Lukewarm confirmed alt account of the worst

E-2 is not a concept in this day phase. Enjoy plurality

[jjh927]

Do you possess a box

[jjh927]

Are you saying you wouldn't have voted if you knew it was e-1?

[jjh927]

Do you have box

[jjh927]

My first game on site was a large role madness upick

But yeah I guess you're an alt

[jjh927]

Regarding boxes, I want to know because it is beneficial to my role to know and by extension it is beneficial to town

[jjh927]

I'm not running anywhere
Discuss your read on me

[jjh927]

It also doesn't assume I'm town because from a mechanical perspective you can expect me to do something with the knowledge of who has boxes, making it easier to place me from that perspective

[jjh927]

How about that I think scum are more likely to want to hide the details of mechanics they don't understand in order to avoid disloyal/loyal shenanigans and this reflects pretty badly on you given your refusal

[jjh927]

Scum may not want to claim they have received X thing if they can help it in case of a role functioning similarly a disloyal fruit vendor
Simarly scum may not want to claim they haven't received X thing in case of a role functioning similarly to a loyal fruit vendor

Don't you "no u" me

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I am also of the opinion that scum most likely already know where thr boxes are because it's plausibly a scum role moving them around

[jjh927]

Scumteams may also be particularly scared to reveal inane mechanical details to me specifically, given the time I turned a reflexive messenger that sent the badger badger mushroom video into a guilty by getting scum to reveal they had received a badger video

[jjh927]

Rogue, have you acquired any boxes?

[jjh927]

Ah, missed that

I'm phoneposting at present

Thanks

[jjh927]

I like the nka on the whole there, but I would add the caveat that it was an n1 nk on the least mislimable of the strongest players in the game

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I would say that from my perspective, LLD is the most likely of the strongest players in this game to be scum, but I don't think I can make an accurate assessment there yet and it would make my life easier if we all just townread her until she gets nightkilled or stays alive longer than she should have done without catching all the scum

[jjh927]

I don't really think you're right in that regard

Just wasn't the vibe I picked up, and I'm pretty good at reading the gamestate

[jjh927]

I don't think rogue was particularly high profile, while you were a more controversial slot and still are to some extent

[jjh927]

At any rate, I really don't think the accuracy of reads after a 72 hour day would be a major nk consideration. I am pretty sure it was always gonna be skitter

[jjh927]

LLD, any box related mechanical stuff?

[jjh927]

That makes things extremely simple

However, would have been better if you shared that in your PT and kept it quiet with the intention of maximising the lifespan of a conftown lld

[jjh927]

Scum are pretty likely to have a roleblocker

[jjh927]

Well, I guess you're saying bombay is scum now

[jjh927]

I am still inclined to disagree regarding mastina and bombay scum though

[jjh927]

I'm gonna refrain from pointing out the obvious thing in case it's not as obvious as I think but you should know that I think it is obvious

[jjh927]

Then I'll say no more and refer back to it later if it becomes relevant

[jjh927]

If we bring this back to reads I'd be most interested to hear why you think Bombay is scum

[jjh927]

2 scum is clearly the least likely outcome with parity cop

[jjh927]

Assume parity cop is town
Assume we have 3 scum
1 town dead due to mislim
odds of picking 2 scum are (3/11)*(2/10) if you pick randomly, which comes out at 5.5% of the time time

Operating purely on chance, "same alignment" from a parity cop in these conditions will be both town 94.5% of the time, increasing if there are fewer scum in the game

[jjh927]

Parity cop is an absolutely stacked role

For obvious™ reasons I don't think we should discuss the setup spec around this though

[jjh927]

Imagine being scum and thinking it's a good idea to conftown LLD

[jjh927]

I'm in the same boat with regards to secondguessing my reads and I'm just gonna say I'm still probably right but with 3 people in the locktown tier rather than varying flavours of null

[jjh927]

I will say this is massively +scum for suripoko because the floor just rose dramatically

[jjh927]

Why do you not see sircakez scum

[jjh927]

I still want to know about boxes

Particularly Suripoko as this might affect my elimination preferences, but if I get the answers from Ivan and Shiro I can manage while missing one response

[jjh927]

Oh I see the post I missed

[jjh927]

I've actually thought about it and I still think you're town, Bombay

I think it's kinda interesting that your whole night kill analysis thing relied on you being a widely townread slot rather than the kinda controversial slot I had you down as. To go down that train of thought you need to make the assumption that LLD not voting you any more means LLD doesn't scumread you any more. I don't see scum forgetting that LLD scumreads them.

[jjh927]

Oh I see the post I missed

In case it wasn't mine:

Oh, and to go ahead and put my money where my mouth is even though I think it's a horrible idea in a vacuum, I had no interaction with boxes last night. Enjoy that info along with a townread, jjh. (and yes, I claimed that in my neighborhood when you initially asked for claims so that it was on record)

It was yours

I'm going to decline to say whether or not I need more information now because that would be information in itself to people who can do basic logic, and still hopefully await Shiro's answer

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Oh, and to go ahead and put my money where my mouth is even though I think it's a horrible idea in a vacuum, I had no interaction with boxes last night. Enjoy that info along with a townread, jjh. (and yes, I claimed that in my neighborhood when you initially asked for claims so that it was on record)

Cakez, what do you think of SM's questioning if Shiro was in the neighborhood? Motivationally speaking.

Ivan, I note you may have left something intentionally vague

Did you start the game with a box?

[jjh927]

Okay that means at least one person has said they don't have a box who does have a box- 2 if Shiro doesn't have one

[jjh927]

Going to have a think about the most likely liars but unfortunately I would prefer to elim someone who doesn't have a box from a purely mechanical pov

[jjh927]

Oh, at this point I think it will come as surprise to nobody that suripoko is the inevitable elimination

Given this is plurality and as such there is no e-1 etc, I suggest that suripoko should claim ASAP as deadline is soon, and I imagine that claiming through image posting may be quite difficult if they insist on keeping that up- especially since I have no idea how to interpret some of the later ones like the one with the faces and the umbrella and the chair and the kangaroo

[jjh927]

Idk what 983 is either

[jjh927]

I am reading the gamestate

Suripoko will be the elim without a significant gamestate shift

[jjh927]

Most people will ultimately accept a suripoko elim

That there are possible alternatives is meaningless when there is no sufficient reason for any individual alternative to pick up more traction than suripoko, which is the case right now with people pushing their preferred elims


I would want sircakez but truth be told I'm fine with suripoko in the end. The cool neighbourhood trio should be running the show if the gamestate is gonna go anywhere else

[jjh927]

I interpreted 1024 as bombay not having accurate information as to what other people are actually gonna do based on their current inclinations

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I mean
Consider that if you are wrong on bombay, then bombay has reason to doubt your reads

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If you're gonna make me choose between mastina and bombay then kill bombay... Except I don't think either are scum

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Mastina is town

Statistically speaking my read on Mastina is strong, but I don't know about that. I am pretty confident she is town here though

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Bombay, just for what it's worth since you are probably missing the mechanical subtleties here-

LLD and Shiro are conftown from each others' perspectives as a result of Ivan's role. I believe 'parity cop' is just a way of simplifying how the role actually works in practice, and that they have effectively received the result on each other in some way.

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Mastina is town

Statistically speaking my read on Mastina is strong, but I don't know about that. I am pretty confident she is town here though

Okay, so let's play a game shall we.

Ivan Shiro Mastina you and I are off the table for today. In this hypothetical.

That leaves you
Bombay
Rogue
SM
Cakez
T3
Suripoko

Who would you kill today and assuming they flip scum (so assuming you're right) who is scum with them?

SirCakez

No idea about associatives.

I'd take Suripoko too, and would consider rogue and SM. I think T3 and Bombay are town.

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When I'm at my computer next I'll figure out who has lied about boxes as well

I took some notes as I was going along as to who was more trustworthy with box related claims due to context

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I don't think that this is true. They are only confirmed town to one another if Ivan is town.

Based on the way they have phrased certain things and a particular sentence a while back that I am not quoting, it is near certain that Ivan's role conftowns them firsthand to each other, rather than being reliant on Ivan's second hand explanation of his result.

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Normally I would love a massclaim that occurs before my death but this time I think I'd regret it

Everything about the boxes is probably best being explained either in my flip or at a time I deem the most useful.

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I don't think that this is true. They are only confirmed town to one another if Ivan is town.

Based on the way they have phrased certain things and a particular sentence a while back that I am not quoting, it is near certain that Ivan's role conftowns them firsthand to each other, rather than being reliant on Ivan's second hand explanation of his result.

If you believe this, why are you bouncing ideas off Bombay and not Shiro and I?

I'm not bouncing ideas here. I'm trying to get Bombay onto the right page so they can work with you, because this is the best way I can see to resolve a perceived tvt

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Okay I'm going to regret this when I wake up tomorrow but I think I can explain some of the setup balance variance you're picking up here

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I am /r/pikmin, and I am a third party survivor

I can also leave the game early as a winner (the game continues) if I collect all of my ship parts. There are 4 of them. I target 3 people each night, and I got one last night out of (mastina, lld, skitter).

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Basically I just want my parts and then I'll be out of your hair. If I know where they all are I can self resolve

My reads have been my actual thoughts and I haven't been pulling punches, although I did consider it and likely would have with a weaker playerlist

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I am /r/pikmin, and I am a third party survivor

I can also leave the game early as a winner (the game continues) if I collect all of my ship parts. There are 4 of them. I target 3 people each night, and I got one last night out of (mastina, lld, skitter).

Fuck off I'm shooting you anyway lmfaoooooooooooo

Please do not do that


4 people should have started the game with parts, which I have been assuming are these mechanical boxes people are talking about. Me getting one back lines up with your box disappearing.

I know they move around at night by some mechanism, but I also know that I collect them before they do so.

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Oh, I'm the one who told Mastina I was investigative and can verify her role

I did try to hint in a post today that I was only investigative in an extremely broad sense, as I wasn't given a lot of options for things I cpuld claim

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I am /r/pikmin, and I am a third party survivor

I can also leave the game early as a winner (the game continues) if I collect all of my ship parts. There are 4 of them. I target 3 people each night, and I got one last night out of (mastina, lld, skitter).

I am not clean what part of this is supposed to clear up the balance questions. Maybe I am just dumb.

My existence is effectively one less mislim for town and would absolutely fuck with a parity cop

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As an independent observer of this discussion I believe you should indeed fullclaim here, Bombay

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We could stop here for a bit and let you and lld talk things in your hood? I need to go to bed anyway

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I mean, personally, I considered it to be extremely obvious that there wasn't an ungated parity cop in the game and you were inevitably fishing for the kill and even made a remark about how obvious it was

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If you learn anything from this game, learn not to setup spec on day 2

You're lucky I made the decision to trueclaim because I do think my presence explains a lot and thus my claiming had high value to town here, but it's a risk and I didn't have to take it just to address your paranoia

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Unless there's more to it I know Mastina's role and it's pretty low power

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Unless there's more to it I know Mastina's role and it's pretty low power

???

How the fuck do you know this

I want you to claim it, and then Mastina can clear up.

I already did claim it, as did Mastina

She has a messenger role with 100 characters

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She didn't fullclaim at me- a messenger is just pretty clearly a messenger. I did consider that she might be reflexive given I targeted her, though.

I just got a message from her with some brief instructions on communicating back in my first post which I successfully interpreted

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Unless there's more to it I know Mastina's role and it's pretty low power

???

How the fuck do you know this

I want you to claim it, and then Mastina can clear up.

I already did claim it, as did Mastina

She has a messenger role with 100 characters

There is a 0 percent chance that is her whole role.

Nah I'd up it, but there probably is more to it, yeah

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One possible option she gave me was to mason gambit but I declined that one on the grounds that that could only have been bad for my wincon

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T3 fullclaim might actually be pretty high priority

Still think t3 is town though, personally

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People should also feel free to claim out of order

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Probably won't happen because people have a tendency to think that the information they have is really cool and important, but the option is there

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I'm gonna go to bed and I should probably leave this discussion for actual townies

I would very much like to see a day 2 massclaim just so I can flex a bit, but I do get that my stakes aren't really as high here as normal

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Shiro, box?

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Nope sorry

Oh dear

That means that two people lied

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Anyone who thinks mastina actually got a 100 character messenger role as her only real power, raise your hand.

Me

As a general rule, Mastina doesn't lie about her role.

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I'm particularly annoyed that some people seem to think they can get away with not acknowledging we're doing massclaim because of how soon deadline is

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I thought we were still going

I think at least we want T3 and Suripoko to claim

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If she is not saying everything then she is lying because she has explicitly stated there is no more to her role

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The role related angle is completely the wrong push on Mastina here and it is reasonable to expect that town should have some low power roles from a balance perspective

But hey, you don't have to listen to me

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Personally I'd say look at her play and determine she is probably playing her towngame from that

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Remind me of your incentive to correctly read and point out Mafia here.

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Mastina is currently the elim as she is higher on the vc

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Oh wait I missed the shiro vote- never mind

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Suri is at 4, mastina is at 2
If you change from suri to mastina, it would be 3-3, but because Suri moved down in number Suri would be top of the vc