Holiday Dance Party ---- Game Over

[Prism]

Do we know if scum have daytalk?

[Prism]

I want to relax and not stress myself this game, looking for a partner with low expectations

I've already settled for you once, might as well do it again.

I'm not a very demanding player in any case.

[Prism]

I want to relax and not stress myself this game, looking for a partner with low expectations

I've already settled for you once, might as well do it again.

I'm not a very demanding player in any case.

I'm glad the game started so I can finally say: LMAO I'm never dancing with you

There's only one nightkill, and it will likely be used on the IC pairing.

I legitimately scumread this.

[Prism]

Actually, I take that back.

You are 100% valid lmao

[Prism]

They can't nightkill us

I took it back because we don't become universal unkillable townreads. One of us scumreads the other for something stupid and leaves and turbothrows.

[Prism]

FTR cat my plan has been to treat every gent equally without much regard for meta/history, it was the preemptive complete rule-out that I scumread. There is a lot of incentive to that pairing as town.

but also a gigantic negative and lmao @ the actual likely outcome.

[Prism]

I probably should have signed up for this as a gent. C'est la vie.

[Prism]

literally every single game

?_? OwO

only like 80% of the games, sir

Either way I should probably figure out something else to talk about

[Prism]

I'm finding this pretty insufferable so far, and I'm sure people feel the same about my own part in it, so I'm just going to AFK for several hours.

[Prism]

I don't remember you being so reticent with early game reads, Datisi.

Is there a specific inspiration for the changeup?

[Prism]

i also like prism a tiny bit i think

hot take i have opposite opinion

You could try contrasting your reasoning with each other, and perhaps something interesting will result.

[Prism]

prism obvious town~

I am very tempted to intentionally fail this.

[Prism]

its a gut reaction to ur post about not wanting to make it insufferable for others

This is fine, but perhaps my behavior in dead PTs skews the perspective. I do not really like shitposting, tonal fluff, friend horseplay, random flirtations, etc. though I recognize it as necessary early game.

I especially hate posts like yours that adamantly go after a friend.

[Prism]

I didn't like that marcistar took my opening post seriously but didn't connect the dots that it was a scumclaim.

I believe she knows now the value of giving immediate reads as scum, as opposed to the more hesitant starts of Isekai and Tarot.

[Prism]

so u hate fun in a game

I think I have the right to my own definition of fun, and to remove myself from an unfun environment without going out of my way to berate others for pursuing their own.

I hate your opening to Alyssa, not in an alignment sense but just hate period. I think you have every right to do it, but it doesn't change my own perspective.

[Prism]

but it's a secret

std tell me in the scum pt who it is pls

What I think is funny about this is I definitely SR Fire, and Dragons is my (ehhh I think he's leaning scum)

Can you elaborate on these? Firebringer intentionally sandbags as town, which makes him difficult to read, but a scumlean on me did not surprise me. That is the only content of his I have noticed, but maybe something else stuck out to you.

[Prism]

I wish I could remember why I scumread Andante in Happy Face.

Cat, you remember or have any thoughts?

[Prism]

I had an equally bad read of the tone of 144 but I really don't like to read off of tone, so here I am

[Prism]

At the risk of not getting paired for it, I feel obligated to mention that if you enjoy PT discussions, I am not the player for you. I have no intention of using any PT, except perhaps during intermission.

[Prism]

I was going to comment that you were virtually an IC in Slaughter Hour, and then I remembered you somehow got voted out.

[Prism]

It is very unfortunate that Taly is probably someone who loves private PTs, obviously calculated on my end.

[Prism]

Taly, I volunteer to get nightkilled with you.

Cons:
-That PT empty, YEET

Pros:
-Prevents me from vigging town
-The dead PT will be lit

[Prism]

I'm not Taly but I don't know why you're emphatic about denying town any agency or input into the alignment of the IC's partner. I love Isis, it's an interesting idea, but practically it is terrible.

Games are difficult as scum because you have to account for the entire town table in aggregate, rather than just one player.

[Prism]

lovely pros but would i actually get NKed if my reads are shit and/or you're scum?

I am doing the town a gigantic favor if I pair with the IC as scum.

[Prism]

(And the entire reason to think I would be scum in the first place would be my indirect avoidance of it w/ PT mechanics)

[Prism]

If nobody else wants the twinky catboy I do;

dude's very obviously town

and I want my early access pass into meowhalla.

??????????

borderline scumclaiming, absolutely disgusting read

[Prism]

I'm not Taly but I don't know why you're emphatic about denying town any agency or input into the alignment of the IC's partner. I love Isis, it's an interesting idea, but practically it is terrible.

Games are difficult as scum because you have to account for the entire town table in aggregate, rather than just one player.

im trying to gauge how much i should let others sway my pair decision

I strongly believe in multilateralist play, so in my opinion a lot, but you're the IC

lovely pros but would i actually get NKed if my reads are shit and/or you're scum?

I am doing the town a gigantic favor if I pair with the IC as scum.

explain

I have full confidence that I can get townread whenever I want

fact check: true

[Prism]

Oh piss off, you're always so holier than thou about reads; I'm allowed to have my reasons.

You're allowed to have them, that doesn't mean they're good, and it is my job to critique them. I do not mind if you use the same language for mine.

[Prism]

I think all of this is extremely, extremely trivial for him to fake. I actually agree with a lot of what he's saying, but he has shown repeatedly and clearly his ability & willingness to fake these processes across multiple scumgames onsite, several of which you moderated.

[Prism]

I don't mind a townlean but "obviously town" reads to me like complete horsehockey.

[Prism]

i am sad that prism did not react to 222

I don't see anything to reply to there. I am more than happy to discuss reads with you publicly, and I also hope we win if we are both town.

[Prism]

I'm not backlinking you, I don't have the patience.

I don't think any of this is being used to sort me, though, and this again points to scum for me.

[Prism]

I was disappointed, first that you were the IC and second that you were town.

[Prism]

My holistic opinion of your play does not matter. You have spent god knows how long trying to buy some positive opinion or response from me. It is not worth your time, and it is not worth my own to play around this desire.

[Prism]

I still think the slot is scum but will revisit it for a later date.

For now I will do the game a favor and head out for my weekend roadtrip.

V/LA until the 18th

[Prism]

RH9 is significantly more reticent than I would expect from him as town. Normally he's very expressive and inquisitive, even if indecisive and prone to discursive tangents.

I'm not sure if I'll be back tonight or not, but I can check in again tomorrow at the latest.

[Prism]

Oh, and GuiltyLion, I'm a bit concerned by how much your readslist seems to be based off of preflips w/r/t Cabd and myself.

[Prism]

In contrast, and perhaps a bit surprising, I am very happy with a Cabd+cat pairing.

[Prism]

In contrast, and perhaps a bit surprising, I am very happy with a Cabd+cat pairing.

Par-ce-que... Sont les deux scum, pour toi? Ou....

I'm too lazy to go back and look at what Pooky's ruleset is, and whether it bars scumclaiming in pairs, so I will restrict myself to claiming scum individually.

[Prism]

i love being the IC

everybody making decisions for me

You're now the center of a millennial career choice/education roleplay, I call being a parent.

[Prism]

For LLD no, the reason was simply that cat will not fall for PT pockets so easily.

I want more people to say what they thought when I flipped town but like

This post kind of defeats the purpose but

Its a test and I like

GL's

reply the most and am not much a fan of

Prism's

, not giving anymore on that yet

To be blunt I thought it was a bad question, and why you only got a response the second time.

[Prism]

The more I ponder the format the more I think this setup is ill-suited for me, who is almost viciously impersonal and, while cooperative/multilateralist, insists on it being the whole game over a single partner.

[Prism]

I like the idea of pairings, but more in the vein of Trust Fall.

[Prism]

I don't think I need to pull an arbitrary random question addressed to the collective game to express my own skepticism. If it works for you, that suffices, but I do not think it did.

[Prism]

Taly I have no clue why you think that given that I engineered the Black Hole Defection townread while mostly AFK and didn't think Scumsman was even worth playing.

I think cat should go to Cabd but an Alyssa pairing isn't a bad runner-up. My issue right now is that the extended scum claims did not endear her to me and I do not even slightly townread her.

[Prism]

I'm outright refusing to pair with Prism if they're dead serious about not using the PT

We can't pair anyway but I am dead serious.

[Prism]

I can tolerate them for night action coordination but anything else I don't have the stomach for. I will talk over intermission but during the day, not a chance.

[Prism]

I don't think this should come as a surprise to anyone who has played with me, either. I exclusively keep notes PTs as scum for similar reasons-I simply have nothing else to say as town that I do not share inthread.

[Prism]

Generally I'm pretty confident in my ability to read marcistar, but she's currently null. The only townpost to me might be the call/response with angielily that I have yet to really go over.

[Prism]

RH9 is significantly more reticent than I would expect from him as town. Normally he's very expressive and inquisitive, even if indecisive and prone to discursive tangents.

I'm not sure if I'll be back tonight or not, but I can check in again tomorrow at the latest.

FYI, I dislike posting until I finish reading but if you're referring to Newbie 2079, that would be because I had time that game to read everything and keep up instead of reading multiple pages in one go. I will probably talk more once I finish reading.

I was primarily referring to Newbie 2079, but I think you've demonstrated this in various spectator PTs as well.

[Prism]

Very indifferent to recent events, and very low motivation.

RH9's posting lately is closer to his town posting but is just a complete enigma to try and read for alignment.

[Prism]

Very indifferent to recent events, and very low motivation.

RH9's posting lately is closer to his town posting but is just a complete enigma to try and read for alignment.

Thoughts on GL?

I didn't like their reads post and how much it centered on me/Cabd being T/S but I remember liking the rest. I'll revisit.

[Prism]

someone took a crowbar to the kneecaps of my mental about 10 times over so if anyone wants my thoughts please ask me directly on stuff and i’ll answer whenever i have time.

why don't you play zac

[Prism]

693 about RH9 has me cackling cat, because you're right but also I am never betting on being able to read him in a million years lmao

[Prism]

ARAM queen okay

[Prism]

Alright I will try to care about this game for 5 seconds, GuiltyLion ISO time

[Prism]

Okay I'm a liar I haven't read anything

discard me

[Prism]

I think me pairing with Taly is even more unlikely than me pairing with Datisi lol

[Prism]

I was a fan of cat but looks like that's not happening.

So no clue. I'd be happy to pair with the former, unclear on the latter, but my point was just that Taly is even

more

insistent on PT activity.

[Prism]

Alyssa, you alluded to one point to "That player was scum also" in regard to refusing to refusing to use a PT. Contextually it was ambiguous when I read it, on the surface it implied I was scum for it, but I realized "also" might just be a lead-in.

Do you feel I should be left out given this stance?

[Prism]

Sorry, cat should have been with Cabd.

Yeah no clue for Taly.

[Prism]

I bet Taly/Ydrasse would be really healthy for both, actually.

[Prism]

Strongly in favor of Ydrasse/Taly. There's some pocket risk but I think they'd work together extremely well, and I suspect it would help morale quite a bit.

[Prism]

I want to hear the justification behind Ydra/Taly support though

I don't have any comment on her play this game. I am swamped right now between my V/LA, work, my grad school applications, and other commitments. I know I need to, but rotating priorities and such. (And I will take appropriate action if the level of dedication continues to lower.)

As players, though, I think you'd make an unusually good fit. You both enjoy a lot of levity in games, you both enjoy private topics a lot, and Ydrasse generally struggles to keep motivation, especially as town when she doesn't have the weight of the team on her (fucking shredded) shoulders. She takes a very tonal approach to reads but is definitely capable of more analytical analysis, while I think you're the perfect inverse.

I think you'll both have fun, we'll get more content out of it, and I think you'd be complementary pieces in style. I do have concerns about blindspots (Ex. She gets a wrong read, you latch on and grab the chariot+sword of fire, and off to the races both of you go) but the same or worse is true of every pairing.

[Prism]

I am honestly surprised that cat hasn't latched onto a scumread of me for the low effort; constant delays and indifference to play is historically an exclusively scum move for me. My motivation as town can flag but I am nowhere close to even meeting the baseline, and I'm surprised he hasn't commented on it.

[Prism]

I was not referring to our pairing, which I long ago ruled out, in 801. I was referring to you/Taly, before remembering you/Cabd was better and you're both gents anyway.

[Prism]

Was there a reason you mentioned this?

Eh, that's the least restrictive part. I have hours blocked out entirely because of that, but the killer is having to divide my attention 4/5 ways. I like depth, not breadth. All of this is a me problem, though.

Pondering whether to scumread you for it but not really sure.

[Prism]

(The V/LA is the least restrictive part, snipped that part of the quote out sorry)

[Prism]

It is very unclear to me where that confidence and intention come from Datisi. I am aware there is much personal history I do not know, but that is unusually deferential in contrast to my other games with you.

[Prism]

i feel like i’m about to say something stupid but shouldn’t we just shove towny people together and not overthink

Sure! Who are the players you would like to endgame?

[Prism]

I think there are a few very hot takes in there that make it difficult to reach that consensus.

[Prism]

RH9, why do you think my refusal to use a PT or neighborhood is protown? You seemed to really, really like that idea, while even I think I'm being stubborn and refusing to adapt my play+accommodate a partner.

[Prism]

1 and get the beyond meat orange chicken

[Prism]

If you want to spend a day pretending you're me, just go outside and eat six handfuls of dirt. Ideally some grass included but not required.

[Prism]

I'm doing the equivalent of drunkenly throwing darts without even looking at the board but I don't think RH9 makes 931 as scum. Doubt he highlights the read rate, doubt he gets so pointed with catboi as scum.

[Prism]

I'm doing the equivalent of drunkenly throwing darts without even looking at the board but I don't think RH9 makes 931 as scum. Doubt he highlights the read rate, doubt he gets so pointed with catboi as scum.

You mean 929?

Yeah, my bad, I can't fucking read lmao

[Prism]

I don't think either of me LLD want to get into my more holistic opinion of her and vice versa. I do owe her some work though.

I think she has her own set of benefits with regard to guaranteed activity and solve potential but I think we get those without a Taly/LLD PT. In contrast, I think the whole is more than the sum of its parts in a Taly/Ydrasse pairing.

[Prism]

If, similar to Cabd, you are unaware that I viscerally dislike you, I can clearly state that. I don't think now, or really anytime, is a good time to address that. I will cooperate with both of you as much as necessary to fulfill a win condition, and as I said, I owe you work.

[Prism]

Ydrasse, I've been very intentional over the last few games, both as scum and as town, in how I've interacted with you. I was careful to stay out of your way as town, learning that the warm demander approach I normally take with players was in your case counterproductive, and there's a certain paternalism to it that made me increasingly uncomfortable given that you are fully capable, and often better than me, on your own. As scum I have been very intentional to strip you of any motivation you might scrape together, determined to make sure that you never get into gear.

I have nowhere I am really going with this other than to share a brief moment of genuine warmth. I think you are town, and at the risk of being counterproductive by voicing expectations, I hope you pair with Taly, make the most of it, and force a nightkill.

[Prism]

As a potential endgame pair? No. I do not townread you at the present.

As a regular pair? Probably, but I have a long syllabus for reading that I'd rather get through before committing.

[Prism]

I'd love to hear your own reason for townreading me, Datisi. This looks mostly unlike any town Prism you've seen to date.

[Prism]

I really like the recent posting from marcistar.

I had given her a townread in the recently completed Signs for being more proactive, vocal, and intentional with reads. I did not feel her start was inconceivable given that game. I think the recent posting with GL, and the actual mechanical play again with a table where she has every reason to be on the backfoot, has me townreading the slot.

[Prism]

Alyssa, can you give me a brief rundown of your current pairing ideas?

I do not know if you will find it relevant, but it might help in sorting me to keep in mind that I was the other half of Black Hole Defection in Flying Scumsman. More specifically, while this is a bad thing about myself, my contempt for the town of that game made me feel like it wasn't worth playing or giving my time to. This had one exception: I took great interest in coaching Isis exactly how to get townread by yourself and by Taly, from the larger picture to the more rote diction/syntax.

[Prism]

I don't remember very much about that game other than my reads sucked g1 but my playstyle kicked in and had me second guessing the right slots

Yes, unfortunately I did not communicate an instruction clearly to Isis which resulted in an error. I informed her ahead of time that it would happen, and it was so.

I am still quite annoyed that Alisae never released my notes PT from that game.

[Prism]

Ydrasse saying "no" and crossing her arms, and treating her alignment as self-evident, in response to a scumread on her is one of her great joys in life. You definitely added to her day.

[Prism]

My general commentary on that game (Flying Scumsman) can be found here.

I gave you (Alyssa) specifically feedback in this post, and gave one example of the specific coaching.

[Prism]

i got panda with the beyond meat

Thank you for letting me live vicariously through you. They do not have it in my area.

[Prism]

Would a catboi/Mala pair be any good? Though, I am not much of a control freak, and this is mainly because I have both of them as nullreads so far and I am still annoyed that 929 was not answered. (However, catboi is probably busy and that would explain the lack of a response.)

Why do you even want Mala paired? This isn't saying she

should

be left out, but it's unclear to me why this pairing is in your mind.

Unfortunately this game is extremely quick, and often tangled in a giant web of interpersonal history. From Warehouse-13, I know the pace and inaccessibility of many of the conversations likely makes it hard for her to get into the game. I don't think it's AI at all, just very unfortunate.

[Prism]

Alright I have actual stuff to do now but I'm really hoping I can swing by and do more than the realtime interactions in a bit. At least I'm getting somewhere now.

[Prism]

I have had many agonizing replace-outs but this is the one that broke me.

I am sorry that I could not see it through to the end.

[Prism]

It is still very unclear to me why Pooky thought allowing you to replace-in without even checking was a good idea.

That is not faulting you, but an instant replaceout by catboi was 100% expected and Pooky was always going to have to find a different replacement regardless.

[Prism]

I generally do not hydra.

[Prism]

It was publicly revealed when he accidentally posted as catboi in Slaughter Hour

Since you separately seemed to be curious about his other alts in the DC nom, catboi and I generally know of each other's alts because of our friendship out of game. bloodhail was not publicly revealed until I outed it in the nomination, while Retti was publicly revealed earlier today in the postgame of Mini Normal 2252

[Prism]

Though it wound up not being the direct reason, the timing of the double replace-out lined up too closely with my 979 for comfort. I was and am not sorry for what I said but did not feel it was appropriate for me to continue with what was publicly available.

[Prism]

I was absolutely crushed by the aftermath and compulsion to leave, but I don't blame LLD and/or Cabd for what occurred. Mistakes happen.

[Prism]

Yes.