Micro 1040: Shirley, You Blitz!

[RH9]

RH9 I’m scum vote me

I'm pretty sure that I remember scum!you telling everybody that you were Town once in Open 835 so I need to check your ISO before deciding if I should vote you or not.

[RH9]

I mean look at your entrance and tell me it's town

i literally didnt know the rules to the game at that time

You mean you didn't read your Role PM? I'm pretty sure that reading it will tell you that you can't unvote.
(@Jingle I'm allowed to paraphrase, right? I'm pretty sure that paraphrasing is allowed from memory.)

[RH9]

Rh9 what do you think about other slots

bugspray: Reminds me of that time GrandpaMo didn't read the setup properly, started a wagon on you, and then I won as scum even though I did basically nothing while the time I actually put effort into playing as scum, I lost. That's why I think that bugspray not reading the rules properly isn't AI.
RR: I remember that they were quite capable of emulating a Town mindset as scum and I wrongly TRed them for it. Not sure if I should trust them considering that.
Winfried: Seems all right. 26 seems like a good concern on RR's idea.
AtE: Seems very nice and considerate to want to wait for Snow marty. I agree with 53. 146 seems like good advice.
schadd:I can't tell what it is trying to do. Voting N_M and Galron both seem like disastrous ideas. The apology seems genuine. 80 interests me. Case on RR in 65 makes sense.
N_M: I think he's acting like usual, if not acting in a more exceptional way. I think that this is a bit odd because he's never been this enthused on me voting him in the two or so completed games that we've played together in.
MegAzumarill (you): 11 seems like good advice. I would definitely avoid voting unless I feel somewhat certain. 20 is obvious sarcasm. I agree with 226. I agree with 21.
Galron: IC

(Caveat: These are just preliminary reads based on a quick skim of the game. They may change at any given time without warning.)

[RH9]

RH9 we need some cohesion.

Sure, Galron.

[RH9]

RR: I remember that they were quite capable of emulating a Town mindset as scum and I wrongly TRed them for it. Not sure if I should trust them considering that.

Sorry, which game was this? I don't remember playing as scum in a game with you, but I am also very forgetful

You replaced out of it. It was Mini 2250.

[RH9]

RH9: Who do you think should be sent to clown college today?

IDK. I want to wait a bit longer.

[RH9]

RH9: Who do you think should be sent to clown college today?

IDK. I want to wait a bit longer.

tik tok we're on the clock

OK. I'll vote when I have time.

[RH9]

I'm currently busy.

[RH9]

RR: I remember that they were quite capable of emulating a Town mindset as scum and I wrongly TRed them for it. Not sure if I should trust them considering that.

Sorry, which game was this? I don't remember playing as scum in a game with you, but I am also very forgetful

You replaced out of it. It was Mini 2250.

Ah, that explains why I didn't remember you being in it, secret alt game.

While I appreciate the compliment, I'm afraid I replaced out really early and even before I did I was barely there, so whoever was emulating a town mindset probably wasn't actually me.

No. I checked. It definitely was you. It was before your replacement. I was Color Purple.

[RH9]

RR: I remember that they were quite capable of emulating a Town mindset as scum and I wrongly TRed them for it. Not sure if I should trust them considering that.

Sorry, which game was this? I don't remember playing as scum in a game with you, but I am also very forgetful

You replaced out of it. It was Mini 2250.

Ah, that explains why I didn't remember you being in it, secret alt game.

While I appreciate the compliment, I'm afraid I replaced out really early and even before I did I was barely there, so whoever was emulating a town mindset probably wasn't actually me.

No. I checked. It definitely was you. It was before your replacement. I was Color Purple.

I said that you were my highest TR, remember.

[RH9]

Ah yes, I remember being very confused about that at the time. Alright then, carry on

Your interactions of schadd reminded me of your interactions with me in Mini 2250. You claimed 'Not Jester' but that does not eliminate the possibility that you can scum emulating a Town mindset in your response to its vote on the IC, Galron.

[RH9]

if i get yeeted and scum wins i'm gonna blame it on mod error confirming me when i had not truly confirmed =[

bugspray, what's your opinion on RR? I find their posts, NAI, due to previous experience playing with them. However, as somebody only familiar with scum!RR, I obviously don't know anything about his towngame.

[RH9]

if i get yeeted and scum wins i'm gonna blame it on mod error confirming me when i had not truly confirmed =[

bugspray, what's your opinion on RR? I find their posts, NAI, due to previous experience playing with them. However, as somebody only familiar with scum!RR, I obviously don't know anything about their towngame.

EBWOP

[RH9]

Sorry, RR. My mistake.

[RH9]

Rh9 what do you think about other slots

bugspray: Reminds me of that time GrandpaMo didn't read the setup properly, started a wagon on you, and then I won as scum even though I did basically nothing while the time I actually put effort into playing as scum, I lost. That's why I think that bugspray not reading the rules properly isn't AI.
RR: I remember that they were quite capable of emulating a Town mindset as scum and I wrongly TRed them for it. Not sure if I should trust them considering that.
Winfried: Seems all right. 26 seems like a good concern on RR's idea.
AtE: Seems very nice and considerate to want to wait for Snow marty. I agree with 53. 146 seems like good advice.
schadd:I can't tell what it is trying to do. Voting N_M and Galron both seem like disastrous ideas. The apology seems genuine. 80 interests me. Case on RR in 65 makes sense.
N_M: I think he's acting like usual, if not acting in a more exceptional way. I think that this is a bit odd because he's never been this enthused on me voting him in the two or so completed games that we've played together in.
MegAzumarill (you): 11 seems like good advice. I would definitely avoid voting unless I feel somewhat certain. 20 is obvious sarcasm. I agree with 226. I agree with 21.
Galron: IC

(Caveat: These are just preliminary reads based on a quick skim of the game. They may change at any given time without warning.)

It's because it's my life goal to get eliminated as scum, vote me please, deadline is imminent

I beg to differ. I remember that scum!you said that you were Town. And scum!you said that you weren't trying. I don't think that scum!you will put as much effort as you have in this game.

[RH9]

Rh9 what do you think about other slots

bugspray: Reminds me of that time GrandpaMo didn't read the setup properly, started a wagon on you, and then I won as scum even though I did basically nothing while the time I actually put effort into playing as scum, I lost. That's why I think that bugspray not reading the rules properly isn't AI.
RR: I remember that they were quite capable of emulating a Town mindset as scum and I wrongly TRed them for it. Not sure if I should trust them considering that.
Winfried: Seems all right. 26 seems like a good concern on RR's idea.
AtE: Seems very nice and considerate to want to wait for Snow marty. I agree with 53. 146 seems like good advice.
schadd:I can't tell what it is trying to do. Voting N_M and Galron both seem like disastrous ideas. The apology seems genuine. 80 interests me. Case on RR in 65 makes sense.
N_M: I think he's acting like usual, if not acting in a more exceptional way. I think that this is a bit odd because he's never been this enthused on me voting him in the two or so completed games that we've played together in.
MegAzumarill (you): 11 seems like good advice. I would definitely avoid voting unless I feel somewhat certain. 20 is obvious sarcasm. I agree with 226. I agree with 21.
Galron: IC

(Caveat: These are just preliminary reads based on a quick skim of the game. They may change at any given time without warning.)

It's because it's my life goal to get eliminated as scum, vote me please, deadline is imminent

I beg to differ. I remember that scum!you said that you were Town. And scum!you said that you weren't trying. I don't think that scum!you will put as much effort as you have in this game.

And scum!you didn't ask me to vote you, last time.

[RH9]

Times have changed since then and I have grown

I comprehend.

[RH9]

I'm still worried about the amount of effort you are putting to convince me to vote you.

[RH9]

Times have changed since then and I have grown

I comprehend.

So you'll vote me? I'm only at E-2 anyway

Not sure. I'm concerned that you might be trying to tempt me into doing it.

[RH9]

I'm still worried about the amount of effort you are putting to convince me to vote you.

tbh I just don't like my partner and don't want to play with them

Oh dear.

[RH9]

Would you help to free me from this prison?

Fine.
VOTE: Not_Mafia

[RH9]

There. You're on E-1.

[RH9]

Because earlier I had originally presumed you were trying to get jesters to claim to freeze them and not lose using blatantly faulty logic. Now that that is clearly not the case I think you just wanted to be called out for that faulty logic

Thank goodness for easing my anxiety on RR being Mafia. They have pretty good logic as scum.

[RH9]

VOTE: megazumarill

Give a brief case. Like a sentence or so.

[RH9]

consider the two votes they've cast in the game which are on not_mafia and bugspray who are like the two people who no one could feasibly object to voting (obviously bugspray could well be mafia which maybe changes things a little)

I voted N_M too.

[RH9]

umm they've posted a lot and yet there hasn't really been a moment from them that has felt like an attempt at solving/sorting/etc. kind of just making statements about the game/talking inoffensively to people/doing reasoning about jesters (famously something wolves should be able to do with like no issue). not mafia called them a wolf which was cool.

I comprehend.

[RH9]

I consider it a high risk high reward type deal

Should I be trusting you?

[RH9]

We do not elim galron ever
Should be freaking obvious

Yeah, I agree. I just wanted to ask RR.

[RH9]

Would you help to free me from this prison?

Fine.
VOTE: Not_Mafia

RH9 what did you hope to accomplish by putting N_M on E-1?

To stop him from pestering me on voting.

[RH9]

48 hours left!

What a cute kitty!

[RH9]

I mean maybe they are just bored and roleplay townie for fun now but as there seems to be considerable thought in their comments, I'm reading that as town overall.

Are you talking about bugspray or RR?

[RH9]

I mean maybe they are just bored and roleplay townie for fun now but as there seems to be considerable thought in their comments, I'm reading that as town overall.

Are you talking about bugspray or RR?

Actually, were you intending to talk about schadd?

[RH9]

Would you help to free me from this prison?

Fine.
VOTE: Not_Mafia

RH9 what did you hope to accomplish by putting N_M on E-1?

To stop him from pestering me on voting.

You realize the premise of my question was false?

No.

[RH9]

I hammered him?

[RH9]

1 day left we need to hear from peeps

Do you have anybody in particular that you want to hear from?

[RH9]

Fuck now I have to read again but I'm in the tub I'll do it tomorrow because I have job today

Don't worry. If you want, you can just ISO everybody.

[RH9]

1 day left we need to hear from peeps

Do you have anybody in particular that you want to hear from?

Everyone that hasn't given elimination preference/voted

OK.

[RH9]

1 day left we need to hear from peeps

Do you have anybody in particular that you want to hear from?

Everyone that hasn't given elimination preference/voted

OK.

I want to wait for bugspray to catch up so that I can talk to them. Then, I can decide who to vote.

[RH9]

Actually, what benefit do you discern from voting bugspray, before their catch up?
It would put them at E-1 and I still have them at Null. I am hoping that once they catch up, I can talk to them and be able to read them better.

[RH9]

MegAzumarill, should I vote a Null if I can use their flip for associatives? If yes, that impacts my decision on who to vote.

[RH9]

Okay, we’ll get our signatures straight.

~At

I’ll make them sign with tE okay?

I did tell them to do that on discord but then they started doing the “head” thing, so I went along with it but I’ll talk to them. You’re not fun anymore. :/

So which head wrote which posts?

[RH9]

Okay, we’ll get our signatures straight.

~At

I’ll make them sign with tE okay?

I did tell them to do that on discord but then they started doing the “head” thing, so I went along with it but I’ll talk to them. You’re not fun anymore. :/

So which head wrote which posts?

Or should I pretend that tE wrote most of them?

[RH9]

I don’t know why any of that necessarily makes him town? Both jester or scum could pretend to act townie in this setup.

putting this in my big folder labeled "things posted in this game that seem to completely abandon the idea of scumhunting people based on their behavior/posts/actions"

I comprehend.

[RH9]

I don’t know why any of that necessarily makes him town? Both jester or scum could pretend to act townie in this setup.

putting this in my big folder labeled "things posted in this game that seem to completely abandon the idea of scumhunting people based on their behavior/posts/actions"

I comprehend.

To be honest, I have caught scum for the wrong reasons before.

[RH9]

I'd like to hear from the rest of you about the whole purposely entering MeLo thing.

I know a couple of you have said no, but why? Is it just a reflex against voting Town, or have you actually thought it through and found fault with the proposed plan?

I skimmed past it, to. be honest. And honestly, it is mainly a reflex for me not to vote Galron.

[RH9]

I'd like to hear from the rest of you about the whole purposely entering MeLo thing.

I know a couple of you have said no, but why? Is it just a reflex against voting Town, or have you actually thought it through and found fault with the proposed plan?

I skimmed past it, to. be honest. And honestly, it is mainly a reflex for me not to vote Galron.

Like he's the IC.

[RH9]

oh wow i missed that. no, that isn't a good idea. confirmed townies are wildly +ev for town in nightless games. if you're worried about jesters scumsiding, you can execute a mafia and then let the jesters scumside & magically get town executions through, and then we're in a better position overall and we can check out who made a 180 after the mafia execution. this is assuming for the sake of argument that jesters will behave in this cookie cutter way which is also barely believable. that seems like a caricature of an idea someone would put forward to seem like a jester

You think RR is Jester?

[RH9]

So we have Jesters forced into Townsiding while we hopefully find the scumteam, and though by the same token the Jesters must Scumside after the first Mafia is hit, the change in behavior should be noticeable enough to avoid eliminating them.

ok, so this is an idea i also had except in reverse.

I like your idea more than RR's, honestly.

[RH9]

do you have any thoughts on ate? (rh9)

I feel confused. There doesn't seem to be much cohesion between the heads. I would expect that one head tell the other what is going on but it seems both heads have their own schedules.

[RH9]

VOTE: Radical Rat

This is for their really conspicuous ideas, right?

[RH9]

VOTE: MegAzumarill

Boring ISO?

-tE

MgAzumarill never called your ISO boring.

[RH9]

VOTE: MegAzumarill

Boring ISO?

-tE

MgAzumarill never called your ISO boring.

Unless you mean that you think MegAzumarill has a boring ISO, for which I disagree on.

[RH9]

VOTE: MegAzumarill

Boring ISO?

-tE

MgAzumarill never called your ISO boring.

Unless you mean that you think MegAzumarill has a boring ISO, for which I disagree on.

To clarify, MegAzumarill has been posting a lot of content to work off.

[RH9]

VOTE: Radical Rat

This is for their really conspicuous ideas, right?

The ones you called 'stupid', which I disagree on. RR might not share your logic but this doesn't mean that their ideas are 'stupid' They could just be misguided.

[RH9]

To clarify, MegAzumarill has been posting a lot of content to work off.

Doesn't contradict what I said.

-tE

So you think that reading through the content is boring?

[RH9]

Okay, we’ll get our signatures straight.

~At

I’ll make them sign with tE okay?

I did tell them to do that on discord but then they started doing the “head” thing, so I went along with it but I’ll talk to them. You’re not fun anymore. :/

So which head wrote which posts?

Or should I pretend that tE wrote most of them?

Actually At was the more active, better, smarter and funnier head but tE might challenge that assertion.

~At

Got that.

[RH9]

VOTE: MegAzumarill

Boring ISO?

-tE

MgAzumarill never called your ISO boring.

Unless you mean that you think MegAzumarill has a boring ISO, for which I disagree on.

To clarify, MegAzumarill has been posting a lot of content to work off.

I want RH9 as my new hydra partner. What do you say Jingle? They aren’t cooperating with me. :/

~At

I can't be your hydra partner because then that would be against the rules.

[RH9]

To clarify, MegAzumarill has been posting a lot of content to work off.

Doesn't contradict what I said.

-tE

I still think RR is scum. I hear the possible arguments for jester but why would jester keep arguing for killing the ic?

~At

So that they get eliminated for advocating for it?

[RH9]

Right then, that works out well enough gamestate-wise.

I will need to re-evaluate reads though, but hopefully it'll be mostly smooth sailing from here on out

You're not going to try to get Galron voted anymore, right?

[RH9]

Right then, that works out well enough gamestate-wise.

I will need to re-evaluate reads though, but hopefully it'll be mostly smooth sailing from here on out

You're not going to try to get Galron voted anymore, right?

So what are we going to do now?

[RH9]

What do YOU think we should do?
Why must it be others who decide your actions?

Ummmmm . . .



You are the one trying to direct everyone but okay.

~At

Exactly why I asked RR.

[RH9]

Somehow I doubt that I was the only town that didn't try to jester tell.
And your play doesn't seem scum based

Cool.

[RH9]

weird to think that both of the executions so far have been people seeming to do like very obvious jester moves. and i think that regardless of who the last jesters are they've been playing a pretty honest game, which is weird. i think the closest that could come to being untrue is if it's exactly radical rat & ate, the former advancing a pretty plainly pro-scum thingy at the expense of any attempt in particular to solve the game & ate for maybe just playing in an odd and wolfy way

separately, thinking that rh9's hammer on NM was odd

The part where I thought that N_M was on E-1?

[RH9]

weird to think that both of the executions so far have been people seeming to do like very obvious jester moves. and i think that regardless of who the last jesters are they've been playing a pretty honest game, which is weird. i think the closest that could come to being untrue is if it's exactly radical rat & ate, the former advancing a pretty plainly pro-scum thingy at the expense of any attempt in particular to solve the game & ate for maybe just playing in an odd and wolfy way

separately, thinking that rh9's hammer on NM was odd

The part where I thought that N_M was on E-1?

I genuinely thought that.

[RH9]

What do YOU think we should do?
Why must it be others who decide your actions?

Ummmmm . . .



You are the one trying to direct everyone but okay.

~At

Exactly why I asked RR.

I am not at all trying to direct everyone. I offered an idea for discussion, but in no way tried to insist everyone go along with it, because I myself was unsure if it was the correct play, as evidenced by the very first post, and my adjustment over time as I thought on it more. However, only Meg actually seemed to consider it and offer useful feedback, but more importantly what concerns me with RH9, and why I felt compelled to question things, is that I haven't actually seen him assert any real stance as far as I can recall.

When I first brought up the idea, he asked if he should trust me, and not anything actually substantive about my proposal. And unless I just missed/forgot it, I haven't seen him give any significant reads or opinions on much of anything after his entrance.

And in this case it just struck me as particularly odd since the entire point was after we enter MeLo, we find the scum as a temporarily united front with the Jesters. The question of whether I will continue to entertain a Galron elimination, and what I think we should do now already have plain answers. Asking them now is just fluff.

OK. I get what you are saying now.

[RH9]

What do YOU think we should do?
Why must it be others who decide your actions?

Now that my confusion has been cleared, I will answer this.
I think that we should discuss more before voting because we can't unvote.
I don't mean to act too passively but it has been my general stance in this game after the N_M incident that I ask other people before I perform drastic actions so that everybody has forthcoming knowledge of my intended actions.

[RH9]

I want RH9 as my new hydra partner. What do you say Jingle? They aren’t cooperating with me. :/

Works for me. Radical Rat, wanna be my new hydra partner?

-tE

You know that you can't do that, right?
(I'm going to take both 478 and 536 as jokes.)

[RH9]

Umm yeah Shoulda voted Meg like I said.

-tE

Explain.
(And don't just parrot Winfried.)

[RH9]

Explain.
(And don't just parrot Winfried.)

Boring ISO, as I said earlier.
Can you see why it's likelier for scum to have "boring" ISOs?

-tE

So that Town misses potential scumslips?

[RH9]

Explain.
(And don't just parrot Winfried.)

Boring ISO, as I said earlier.
Can you see why it's likelier for scum to have "boring" ISOs?

-tE

So that Town misses potential scumslips?

But I'm not sure why this is AI.

[RH9]

Mental load? As town you could post freely, as jester all the more, as scum it's important not to get sent to college - resulting in more boring-looking posting styles.

-tE

Which posts would you consider the most boring?

[RH9]

Mental load? As town you could post freely, as jester all the more, as scum it's important not to get sent to college - resulting in more boring-looking posting styles.

-tE

Which posts would you consider the most boring?

For example, 21 is an interesting post.

[RH9]

Which posts would you consider the most boring?

>Say a non-empty set of Meg's posts are boring.
>There must be a "most boring" Meg post.
>The "most boring" Meg post is not boring by virtue of being the most boring post.
>Contradiction! Therefore, Meg has no boring posts.

-tE

So, is it correct to assume that MegAzumarill does not have a 'boring' ISO?

[RH9]

Or am I still wrong?

[RH9]

What do YOU think we should do?
Why must it be others who decide your actions?

Now that my confusion has been cleared, I will answer this.
I think that we should discuss more before voting because we can't unvote.
I don't mean to act too passively but it has been my general stance in this game after the N_M incident that I ask other people before I perform drastic actions so that everybody has forthcoming knowledge of my intended actions.

And what drastic actions would you be considering?

Also, regarding the N_M incident...
Although I disagreed, the prevailing attitude seemed to be that eliminating a claimed Jester was the wrong play. A sentiment you seemed to agree with, since me having bad logic "eased your anxiety on me being Mafia."

So, I believe you thought it was actually E-1. But E-1 is essentially a hammer for a Jester. Though in this case Not_Mafia had already voted himself and couldn't have self-hammered, clearly you didn't check the VC before voting, so was N_M being moderately annoying really enough to make you okay with a "wrong" elimination?

I am considering voting a nullread. I skimmed past the VC by accident. And yes, N_M was quite annoying.

[RH9]

What do YOU think we should do?
Why must it be others who decide your actions?

Now that my confusion has been cleared, I will answer this.
I think that we should discuss more before voting because we can't unvote.
I don't mean to act too passively but it has been my general stance in this game after the N_M incident that I ask other people before I perform drastic actions so that everybody has forthcoming knowledge of my intended actions.

And what drastic actions would you be considering?

Also, regarding the N_M incident...
Although I disagreed, the prevailing attitude seemed to be that eliminating a claimed Jester was the wrong play. A sentiment you seemed to agree with, since me having bad logic "eased your anxiety on me being Mafia."

So, I believe you thought it was actually E-1. But E-1 is essentially a hammer for a Jester. Though in this case Not_Mafia had already voted himself and couldn't have self-hammered, clearly you didn't check the VC before voting, so was N_M being moderately annoying really enough to make you okay with a "wrong" elimination?

I am considering voting a nullread. I skimmed past the VC by accident. And yes, N_M was quite annoying.

I missed his Jester claim.

[RH9]

What do YOU think we should do?
Why must it be others who decide your actions?

Now that my confusion has been cleared, I will answer this.
I think that we should discuss more before voting because we can't unvote.
I don't mean to act too passively but it has been my general stance in this game after the N_M incident that I ask other people before I perform drastic actions so that everybody has forthcoming knowledge of my intended actions.

And what drastic actions would you be considering?

Also, regarding the N_M incident...
Although I disagreed, the prevailing attitude seemed to be that eliminating a claimed Jester was the wrong play. A sentiment you seemed to agree with, since me having bad logic "eased your anxiety on me being Mafia."

So, I believe you thought it was actually E-1. But E-1 is essentially a hammer for a Jester. Though in this case Not_Mafia had already voted himself and couldn't have self-hammered, clearly you didn't check the VC before voting, so was N_M being moderately annoying really enough to make you okay with a "wrong" elimination?

I am considering voting a nullread. I skimmed past the VC by accident. And yes, N_M was quite annoying.

I missed his Jester claim.

Why did you think he was begging you to vote him???

Because he wanted to annoy me?

[RH9]

What do YOU think we should do?
Why must it be others who decide your actions?

Now that my confusion has been cleared, I will answer this.
I think that we should discuss more before voting because we can't unvote.
I don't mean to act too passively but it has been my general stance in this game after the N_M incident that I ask other people before I perform drastic actions so that everybody has forthcoming knowledge of my intended actions.

And what drastic actions would you be considering?

Also, regarding the N_M incident...
Although I disagreed, the prevailing attitude seemed to be that eliminating a claimed Jester was the wrong play. A sentiment you seemed to agree with, since me having bad logic "eased your anxiety on me being Mafia."

So, I believe you thought it was actually E-1. But E-1 is essentially a hammer for a Jester. Though in this case Not_Mafia had already voted himself and couldn't have self-hammered, clearly you didn't check the VC before voting, so was N_M being moderately annoying really enough to make you okay with a "wrong" elimination?

I am considering voting a nullread. I skimmed past the VC by accident. And yes, N_M was quite annoying.

I missed his Jester claim.

Why did you think he was begging you to vote him???

Because he wanted to annoy me?

I mean at least N_M is happy now.

[RH9]

What do YOU think we should do?
Why must it be others who decide your actions?

Now that my confusion has been cleared, I will answer this.
I think that we should discuss more before voting because we can't unvote.
I don't mean to act too passively but it has been my general stance in this game after the N_M incident that I ask other people before I perform drastic actions so that everybody has forthcoming knowledge of my intended actions.

And what drastic actions would you be considering?

Also, regarding the N_M incident...
Although I disagreed, the prevailing attitude seemed to be that eliminating a claimed Jester was the wrong play. A sentiment you seemed to agree with, since me having bad logic "eased your anxiety on me being Mafia."

So, I believe you thought it was actually E-1. But E-1 is essentially a hammer for a Jester. Though in this case Not_Mafia had already voted himself and couldn't have self-hammered, clearly you didn't check the VC before voting, so was N_M being moderately annoying really enough to make you okay with a "wrong" elimination?

I am considering voting a nullread. I skimmed past the VC by accident. And yes, N_M was quite annoying.

I missed his Jester claim.

Why did you think he was begging you to vote him???

Because he wanted to annoy me?

Who would want to annoy you so you vote for them?
This should've been an instant red flag

I thought that this was N_M's playstyle.

[RH9]

What do YOU think we should do?
Why must it be others who decide your actions?

Now that my confusion has been cleared, I will answer this.
I think that we should discuss more before voting because we can't unvote.
I don't mean to act too passively but it has been my general stance in this game after the N_M incident that I ask other people before I perform drastic actions so that everybody has forthcoming knowledge of my intended actions.

And what drastic actions would you be considering?

Also, regarding the N_M incident...
Although I disagreed, the prevailing attitude seemed to be that eliminating a claimed Jester was the wrong play. A sentiment you seemed to agree with, since me having bad logic "eased your anxiety on me being Mafia."

So, I believe you thought it was actually E-1. But E-1 is essentially a hammer for a Jester. Though in this case Not_Mafia had already voted himself and couldn't have self-hammered, clearly you didn't check the VC before voting, so was N_M being moderately annoying really enough to make you okay with a "wrong" elimination?

I am considering voting a nullread. I skimmed past the VC by accident. And yes, N_M was quite annoying.

I missed his Jester claim.

Why did you think he was begging you to vote him???

Because he wanted to annoy me?

Who would want to annoy you so you vote for them?
This should've been an instant red flag

I thought that this was N_M's playstyle.

Sorry.

[RH9]

Rh9 who is scum?

I am unsure because I already got tricked by Jester once. However, my current PoE is {RR, AtE, you}.
(Galron asked the same question that you asked as scum in Open 838.)

[RH9]

VOTE: MegAzumarill

Enjoy Elo!

I gotta get my education

Why did you do this?

[RH9]

Tell me you aren't Jester.

[RH9]

Wtf? You gotta be kidding me?

Let's hope MegAzumarill isn't Jester.

[RH9]

What do you think should be done now while we wait?

[RH9]

Rh9 scum
Shadd town
Rr/winfired are s/t
Ate is J
Galron is Scum

OK. Got that.

[RH9]

There can be no more clowning around now though.

Tentative guess is schadd_/WINfried scumteam.

Got that, RR.

[RH9]

while i was in the shower:
figured winfried & rh9 arent the jester and one of them is town. i think its winfried, finding it increasingly odd that rh9 is like sort of present in a conversation but not really otherwise indicating movement towards a gamesolve. like the "i comprehend" thing made me go ":)" for a while but at some point one wonders what you are comprehending about. also i have found the story with regards to nm to be fractured. also finding both of the jesters scmread him which is like hilarious.

i reckon there are zero town among radical rat & ate, and could easily see arguments towards either of them being the jester honestly. radical rat imo has done more of a cookie cutter attempt at seeming to be a wolf which i think i've stated already. ate has been the one i've been leaning toward as mafia bc they have sort of an appearance of being around and pestering people and also avoiding direct confrontation but in any case i think that either of these two people, if they are mafia, have tried to seem like they're a jester at least a little bit. and like that's a polarity that i don't really think i can pick apart or really care to.

But I'm Town. I do agree with the second paragraph, though.

[RH9]

There can be no more clowning around now though.

Tentative guess is schadd_/WINfried scumteam.

Got that, RR.

yeah so like what are you getting??? is there like a little notebook you have where you're writing down these guesses ??

I meant that I got his point from his first sentence. I disagree with the second.

[RH9]

By the way, schadd_, if you don't think I'm Town, what do you think I am?

[RH9]

actually you can feel free to take this to mean that i think you're some other thing that's not town or mafia or jester. i wont stop you

OK. But I still think that RR and AtE is more likely to be Mafia than me.

[RH9]

Should we wait for Jingle to end Day 4?

[RH9]

I think RH9 is the last Jester.

Reasoning is it doesn't seem like they actually have much of a goal here, like he doesn't really know what he wants to do, like a Jester that doesn't know how to actually get himself eliminated.

I do have a goal. Just that nobody can notice it. Would it be better I make it more recognisable?

[RH9]

Interesting question to schadd. Has Town ever deliberately Jester-telled to survive ELO in a setup with Jesters or has only scum done that?

[RH9]

actually you can feel free to take this to mean that i think you're some other thing that's not town or mafia or jester. i wont stop you

OK. But I still think that RR and AtE is more likely to be Mafia than me.

You don't know your alignment then.

This has jester written all over it.

Heres my impression of galron & rh9

Followup to previous post

What does this mean?

[RH9]

I am thoroughly confused.

[RH9]

I genuinely did not comprehend that post.

[RH9]

Would you mind explaining 617 and 618 in layman's terms, please, schadd?

[RH9]

theres this thing you and galron do a lot where you'll like quote a post and say something and then say another thing quoting that previous post. which is what i did

So that was what 617 and 618 was about.

[RH9]

I comprehend now.

[RH9]

It's mostly this post. Like, most of this is completely NAI to me, some even slightly scum indicative, so you putting a bunch of emphasis on how it makes schadd_ town seems like you might be defending your buddy.

What is scum indicative in there?

I think that first two might have been taken badly. To be honest, I do somewhat agree that a couple of the posts are NAI. Examples include 55, 114, 138 and 281.

[RH9]

So some advice, Winfried. You shouldn't be too generous in giving out townleans. It's a mistake I often make.

For example, I once gave RR a free TR and after they replaced out, their predecessor, fferyllt, scumslipped. However, under my believe that RR's slot was town for their earlier posts, I failed to catch that. (We won anyways, though.)

[RH9]

It's mostly this post. Like, most of this is completely NAI to me, some even slightly scum indicative, so you putting a bunch of emphasis on how it makes schadd_ town seems like you might be defending your buddy.

What is scum indicative in there?

65 I explained earlier why I didn't like, but basically comes down to it being a very dangerous "fun" vote to make without the possibility of unvoting. My fears there did not come to pass, and later on I even came to the conclusion that eliminating Galron could have been beneficial, but I do stand by it being a very bad entrance and a very bad explanation for it.

190 is one of those posts that just. Does nothing, but kinda looks like you're hunting scum if you just skim past it. Or, y'know. The kind of post scum like to make.

281 is a bit odd, because of the "several town" bit, in contrast to the reality of there being very few Town, and its expressed sense of no other Town posting. Seems like maybe it just did the quick math of 9 - 2 Mafia, rather than also taking out the Jesters, but I could just be reading too much into it.

65 was a serious vote. on you. 190 is fair. Personally, I think that it's NAI. 281 is also NAI to me. It seemed to me that schadd posted that, spur of the moment, without thinking too carefully.

[RH9]

To be honest, schadd, what were you thinking when you posted 281? You said 'several town' when town!you would know that there's only Galron and two other VTs. Did you think that me and Winfried were the two VTs and then change your mind after bugspray flipped?

[RH9]

several town ie 4. yea i thot it was you and winfried

I comprehend. It makes sense now.

[RH9]

several town ie 4. yea i thot it was you and winfried

I comprehend. It makes sense now.

Though, I would have considered 'several' to not include yourself if you are Town.

[RH9]

yeah i'm fairly willing to place winnie as the town. so i'll plan to vote rh9 & ate today. anyone object? no?

I object!!!!

~At

Why do you object?

[RH9]

yeah i'm fairly willing to place winnie as the town. so i'll plan to vote rh9 & ate today. anyone object? no?

I object!!!!

~At

Why do you object?

I mean schadd has a good reason to vote both of us.

[RH9]

yeah i'm fairly willing to place winnie as the town. so i'll plan to vote rh9 & ate today. anyone object? no?

I object!!!!

~At

Why do you object?

to my being voted obviously. All of the reviewers have said that clown college has been vastly overrated and contortionist college is where all of the cool kids are headed.

Spoiler:

~At

You mean you just want to survive?

[RH9]

I mean we are in MELO.

[RH9]

yeah i'm fairly willing to place winnie as the town. so i'll plan to vote rh9 & ate today. anyone object? no?

I object!!!!

~At

Why do you object?

to my being voted obviously. All of the reviewers have said that clown college has been vastly overrated and contortionist college is where all of the cool kids are headed.

Spoiler:

~At

You mean you just want to survive?

I don’t want the game to end today but nice interesting misrep.

~At

You mean a 'misinterpretation'?

[RH9]

yeah i'm fairly willing to place winnie as the town. so i'll plan to vote rh9 & ate today. anyone object? no?

I object!!!!

~At

to me, I mean RH9 could be scum here, which would obviously mean my request to hydra with him has been withdrawn but if you’re interested however, offer’s still on the table.

This was my entire post but RH9 left out that last part.

~At

It's obvious that you object to yourself. Who doesn't?

[RH9]

yeah yeah

I think it’s hella weird that you don’t care. So you either might be jester or scum trying to look like jester. I think town probably doesn’t rush their vote today.

~At

RR voted before it.

[RH9]

happy to have been able your second time making a statement abt someones alignment ever (and also your first one where yo usaid i was town)

Meg flipped jester.

Are you ever going to comment on that or no?

~At

If schadd does not respond, I fully support the bravery of its decision. From experience, it's scum who respond to every question posed their way, especially in a situation like this.

[RH9]

i wonder if its because im voting you..

No, it’s because I think you rushing votes is more scum indicative to me than either jester or town. Why are you not at all worried one of RH9 or me might flip jester?

~At

schadd isn't the only one who has already voted.

[RH9]

It feels odd that you're focusing on schadd 'rushing' votes when that is not the case.

[RH9]

It feels odd that you're focusing on schadd 'rushing' votes when that is not the case.

He voted both of us and doesn’t seem to be worried that one of us could possibly be jester.

Weird that you’re defending that.

~At

Because I disliked your focus on schadd.

[RH9]

It feels off to me when I notice somebody so focused on one particular person.

[RH9]

Maybe I misinterpreted you something?

[RH9]

Maybe I misinterpreted you or something?

EBWOP

[RH9]

Just a heads up, but we probably lose when deadline hits.

If Town wants to control who the elimination is, we need to make a decision and vote before the threshold goes down.

So should we reach a consensus on who to vote?

[RH9]

I still want to vote AtE. 694 feels off in that they are focusing on schadd when it hasn't been the only one voting and claiming that it is 'rushing' votes. Then they claim in 704 that it is 'weird' that I'm defending schadd after I tell them I find it odd that they are focusing on schadd for something which isn't what they claimed.

[RH9]

I still want to vote AtE. 694 feels off in that they are focusing on schadd when it hasn't been the only one voting and claiming that it is 'rushing' votes. Then they claim in 704 that it is 'weird' that I'm defending schadd after I tell them I find it odd that they are focusing on schadd for something which isn't what they claimed.

This is a valid point, but I still think they're Town in spite of it. If you could miss literally everything there is to miss about the N_M situation, it seems reasonable that At could have skimmed past the single post where I voted.

I guess that this makes sense.

[RH9]

I still want to vote AtE. 694 feels off in that they are focusing on schadd when it hasn't been the only one voting and claiming that it is 'rushing' votes. Then they claim in 704 that it is 'weird' that I'm defending schadd after I tell them I find it odd that they are focusing on schadd for something which isn't what they claimed.

This is a valid point, but I still think they're Town in spite of it. If you could miss literally everything there is to miss about the N_M situation, it seems reasonable that At could have skimmed past the single post where I voted.

I guess that this makes sense.

Though, I think that 704 still doesn't sit right with me because it's not like I can only defend schadd as its scumbuddy. I have done that as Town before too.

How about WINfried? If you don't think it's schadd_, it isn't you, and it isn't me, then mathematically it has to be him as AtE's hypothetical partner.

That somewhat makes sense. Winfried's towncase on schadd does seem a bit off. It feels overconfident in that he assumes that schadd wouldn't post some of those posts as scum. But this could be a playstyle thing. I think that we should let him explain why he didn't consider those posts to be NAI.

[RH9]

schadd_ & RH9, what do you think of AtE?

I still want to vote them for reasons mentioned above.

[RH9]

So some advice, Winfried. You shouldn't be too generous in giving out townleans. It's a mistake I often make.

For example, I once gave RR a free TR and after they replaced out, their predecessor, fferyllt, scumslipped. However, under my believe that RR's slot was town for their earlier posts, I failed to catch that. (We won anyways, though.)

This friendly, and maybe honest, advice somewhat feels like leaking that RH9 is aware I am not in the scumteam.

Sidenote: I hope "they" is okay as a general pronoun for all people? Not a native speaker but I'm trying to get this right.

I think that 'they' is fine when you're unsure of somebody pronoun choice but you should try to stick to their preference.
(And I am just giving you advice out of kindness.)

[RH9]

schadd_ & RH9, what do you think of AtE?

I still want to vote them for reasons mentioned above.

In the first part of 727.

[RH9]

schadd_ & RH9, what do you think of AtE?

I still want to vote them for reasons mentioned above.

In the first part of 727.

And also 704.

[RH9]

schadd_ & RH9, what do you think of AtE?

I still want to vote them for reasons mentioned above.

In the first part of 727.

And also 722.

EBWOP

[RH9]

I was thinking of the wrong post. Sorry.

[RH9]

@Jingle VC please.

[RH9]

I think that we should let AtE say at least something today. It is the nicest thing to do.

[RH9]

VOTE: Shadd
VOTE: WINfried


This is my current best guess for the scumteam, I think RR isn’t scum and will sheep him.

I think if RR was scum, I’d probably already be dead.

But it looks like both town and jester lose this.

~At

So you think that the whole scumteam already voted you?

[RH9]

VOTE: Shadd
VOTE: WINfried


This is my current best guess for the scumteam, I think RR isn’t scum and will sheep him.

I think if RR was scum, I’d probably already be dead.

But it looks like both town and jester lose this.

~At

So you think that the whole scumteam already voted you?

Or are you only saying that because RR thinks so?

[RH9]

Where is everybody?

[RH9]

We are in ELO and we need to discuss.

[RH9]

@Jingle RR is at E-3.

[RH9]

VOTE: Shadd
VOTE: WINfried


This is my current best guess for the scumteam, I think RR isn’t scum and will sheep him.

I think if RR was scum, I’d probably already be dead.

But it looks like both town and jester lose this.

~At

So you think that the whole scumteam already voted you?

Most likely. I would be shocked if there wasn’t at least one scum on me.

~At

I think that. I'm going to put Winfried on E-1.
VOTE: WINfried

[RH9]

Still, I would prefer discussion.

[RH9]

Do you think that scum voted bugspray?

[RH9]

I continue to feel tempted to hammer.

[RH9]

We are in ELO and we need to discuss.

Still, I would prefer discussion.

So discuss.

Galron, do you think that AtE (the player) is using AtE (Appeal to Emotion)? I'm getting the feeling that they are trying to do that.

[RH9]

Hammer.

You said so.
VOTE: AtE

[RH9]

I hope that I didn't mess up another ELO.

[RH9]

@Jingle I hammered.

[RH9]

Galron, what do we do now?

[RH9]

Well fuck, I've just been wrong on all my reads this game huh?

I do still think RH9 is Jester, and WINfried has the highest chance of being AtE's partner, so... Welcome to the Town I guess, schadd_?

VOTE: WINfried

I know it's early, but we're not in Elo anymore, and I really don't expect to change my mind on this one.

We're not in ELO but we are in MELO.

[RH9]

Like, if we vote off the last Jester, we lost. Full stop.

[RH9]

(also, while RH9 did hammer, they really hesitated a long time before they did)

We were in ELO. It is my general preference that hammering in ELO isn't rushed because then you can think more clearly when you are hammering.

[RH9]

VOTE: winfried

willing to bet it all that this slot isnt jester. he handed out townreads pretty handily which i think is just something that prevents votes on you (compare to megaz who hardly did it at all). moreover seeing ate townbinned in 385 is interesting, and he's playing this day phase like someone that does in fact need to get two town executions done

schadd, remind. me if Winfried ever mentioned a world where bugspray flips Town before they flipped VT.

[RH9]

VOTE: winfried

willing to bet it all that this slot isnt jester. he handed out townreads pretty handily which i think is just something that prevents votes on you (compare to megaz who hardly did it at all). moreover seeing ate townbinned in 385 is interesting, and he's playing this day phase like someone that does in fact need to get two town executions done

schadd, remind. me if Winfried ever mentioned a world where bugspray flips Town before they flipped VT.

I'm not schadd_, but I did check, and no he did not.

That's interesting. I wonder why. To be honest, this feels like Winfried is confbiased in someway or another.

[RH9]

Actual it confirms him as not jester

i dont see how it would do that. mafia and jester both don't have anything in particular to do during this day phase i think.

I agree. Mafia just needs to avoid elimination and Jester just wants the opposite while Town wants to eliminate Mafia and not Jester.

[RH9]

GG.

[RH9]

By the way, Winfried, you did a great job! It isn't easy playing against a strong Town.

[RH9]

I forgot. Thanks for modding, Jingle!

[RH9]

And I finally played a Nightless Blitz with Jesters in it.

[RH9]

ought to have been something needed to confirm in our role pms

It... was?

I mentioned this in the mod/dead chat, but I was surprised no one picked up that you two were much more tryhard after the second Jester elim when town!you would have been in MELO for a day already at that point. Honestly, I think Meg and RR were the towniest players.

Agreed. RR helped Town so much.

[RH9]

And funny thing is RR's 362. They literally told everybody what they ended up doing.

[RH9]

God, why does mobile keep adding random quotes to my posts???

You might have accidentally clicked the multiquote button.

[RH9]

GG all.

I lost the game but I am happy I had the right reads about other slots in the end so that's something.

I read RH9 as town because he was really reading the game dangerously well. He was (I believe) the first one to detect I accidentally smothered shadd in townreads, because I forgot in the beginning other people could be scum in this town.

To be fair, I think RR was the first to attention to it. I simply just found it a bit off that you were that confident in schadd being Town for those posts. A nulltown or townlean would have felt less like it was from an informed perspective.

[RH9]

I'm looking forward to reading the Mafia PT.

[RH9]

I wonder what went on in there.

[RH9]

Galron's Notes PT is interesting.

[RH9]

The Mafia PT is interesting too.