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this kinda a slow moving large theme huh

this normal now?

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Is this the way it ends...

yes it is whos calling?

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no im not who

this is my main

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define content

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can this really dumb conversation end so we can get back to talking about me

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i have some reads

i have read the game

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pinkie you gotta chill

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i mean the problems with my reads is i have no idea who any of these people are anymore and i have to go check if the dude dropping noob tells everywhere is actually a noob or like wtf hes doing

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ceph doesnt look like my 6 years out of date scum meta for him, does that help

neither does titus

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this pinkie push is kinda weird though

the ircher defense of ceph is weird

i like val so far actually

LLD null

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okay but the basis is weird so

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mmmm but like then they wouldnt have made the post

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hence the caveat

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whats the VC on ircher?

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thewayitends is probably scum simply because in a game that seems fixated on running up lurkers his name has not come up which suggests scum are more interested in pushing other targets

this a hot take

scum are only pushing lurkers

makes lurker push

A+ self callout

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no ircher claim yet? smh

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honestly unless theres no one else to lim should have ircher try again on either day 3 or 4 and make scum spend role blocks on him if theyre that concerned with him not being confirmed

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if your action was roleblocked can you use it tonight? for non consec? im assuming not but worth a check

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expected/10

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okay but the point is you say choose 1 of night 3 or 4 to use your ability and then scum have to RB him twice if they are committing to preventing a confirm

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which is a pretty big commitment when a kill has already been prevented

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if bears is dead and the kill wasnt stopped that does reduce the amount of slack i want to give ircher by an amount

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but the high roll of tying up 2 scum rbs is pretty nice still

especially since the prs of this game appear to be x shot or gated

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no but it ties them up on night 3 and night 4

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assuming ircher is town

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sorry busy weekend

dont worry everyone im here now

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sup

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i mean im clearly not dead

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i mean this wagon is lazy as shit

you guys wanna shitpost me into my grave cant get mad when i join

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mmmmm

is that what it says?

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or is it commentary on the EV of letting a FN prove himself while under no pressure

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read it again then

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like if someones going to claim non conseq FN as a scum fake claim they really want that first night action and you can assume their power level drops off afterward

whereas if he was town the EV we get from leaving him alive and eating RB or becoming confirmable is much higher

if im only slightly scum reading ircher which i clearly was day 1 then i think the positive EV play is to give him the 2 more days

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especially with no kill

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mm i think he clearly had 1 much stonger ability and 2 less strong abilities

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you wanna argue EV thats fine

but like you wanna clutch pearls and cry that i almost let him use his ninja with our tracker dead

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thewayitends is probably scum simply because in a game that seems fixated on running up lurkers his name has not come up which suggests scum are more interested in pushing other targets

this a hot take

scum are only pushing lurkers

makes lurker push

A+ self callout

Reading this post again while looking through his ISO, and I think he might have slipped that he has an informed perspective? Catboi never said scum were pushing lurkers, he made a comment about the game state focusing on that.

i think u stretchin there but idk if its a stretch worth makin or not

A bit yeah, the simple and reasonable answer could just be that he just misinterpreted Catboi's post. However, seeing this post:

can this really dumb conversation end so we can get back to talking about me

Lead into this post:

thewayitends is probably scum simply because in a game that seems fixated on running up lurkers his name has not come up which suggests scum are more interested in pushing other targets

this a hot take

scum are only pushing lurkers

makes lurker push

A+ self callout

Is just odd. It doesn't add up to me that he would want attention and then get hyper defensive when he got it.

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that post almost as dumb as these posts and that is saying something honestly

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woah dont stop him

this is fucking fascinating watch someone try and force a read out of nothing

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twie said he didnt like irchers weird chainsaw of ceph therefore STD is scum

its incredible

hes a scum hunting machine

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sorry not he

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right and my post of

"this is a weird trajectory from bears"

"ircher dont like"

"val do like"

"no read on LLD"

completely flipped the thread on its head

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According to MUSH, Cephrir is scum for 57 because it isn't likely to have come from a town role pm. Let me point out some of the various ways this argument is fallacious:

1: It presupposes that Cephrir is familiar with the source material. This is evidently false because in 57, Cephrir explicitly states he is not familiar with the source material. You may argue that it's scum indicative regardless, but there's nothing preventing someone with a town alignment who is unfamiliar with the source material from making the exact same post. While it may be true perhaps that a scum role pm may make such a post more likely (I wouldn't know as I don't know the source material), it is at best a marginal difference.

2: It also presupposes that Cephrir's role is directly related to the post at hand and that Cephrir pulled material from his role pm to make that post. There is no evidence in favor of this assumption; in fact, later posts highly suggest this is not the case as Cephrir denied MUSH's guess in 123.

im sorry no one can read the thread and see this weird ass "im helping" chainsaw

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like, thats the type of shit i did in my first scum game

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like if youre gonna pick a post of mine to shade maybe the one with 2 good reads a null and a post on the current thread gamestate wasnt the best target

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mmm because thats the post my scumread of ircher was mostly from

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youre right though i should have commented on it when it happened before i was in the game

thats my bad

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accurate

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i was only reffering to the middle line referencing me

no reaches in that post

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right im caught scum for thinking that eating RBs or getting a confirmed town is more positive EV than lynching my slight scum read

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especially after i had to walk it back a bunch when bears claimed they were poisoned

something i knew was coming as a member of the scum team

very logic yes

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right im caught scum for thinking that eating RBs or getting a confirmed town is more positive EV than lynching my slight scum read

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Reminder that "lynch" is no longer an acceptable term for mafia.

fuck my bad

old habits

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Look if you didn't want to get burned down early then you should've used your noggin before you fluffposted, now its too late and that's your problem not mine

Can you explain how this is scum indicative for Cephrir? I'm not familiar with his meta.

For actively seeking fun. It reads to me like you drew scum, hated it, and are now looking for ways to make your own fun.

This seems really reachy. A lot of people mess around during the beginning of a game. How is this scum-indicative for Cephrir specifically and not for anyone else?

It is hard to explain because it is a thing Cephrir has only shown and told about in places I can't really draw evidence from but given Ceph's lack of outrage at the claims I am making I think you can infer the logic is at least true. Whether it is valid and reaches Ceph scum this time you can evaluate yourself but.

The logic is not fallacious

I was moreso seeing this as the interaction string where ircher defends Ceph and earns LLD's initial scumread off the back of it.

Twie had like 5 posts since this conversation started though and hasn't mentioned it or tried to elaborate on what he was getting at even when the direct question to him was requoted though so like..... Maybe were chasing nothing anyway.

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lol?

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mush prob town from the crazy rabbit holing he did read forcing wise

doesnt make sense to do if he knows im flipping green

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fuck again not he ve

im very sorry

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norwee roden and galron have prob the worst interactions with my wagon

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maybe dunn too?

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yeah those 4