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VOTE: PookyTheMagicalBear

Obligatory RVS vote, because meta

Anyway, here is some RQS questions:

1. What is your favorite color?
2. What is 2+2?
3. What is your least favorite Normal role?
4. Is this a question?
6. Did you notice 5 was skipped?

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You have your units mixed up

2 minutes is relivable Pedit time, 2

hours

is not. And that is the former.

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ebwop: believable, not relivable

also I intentionally delayed this ebwop because this is a meme game

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You have your units mixed up

2 minutes is relivable Pedit time, 2

hours

is not. And that is the former.

I would agree for most posts, I know I've taken some very long times to finish a post before. But a naked RVS vote? Does that really need two minutes?

VOTE: Radical Rat

RVS has been broken

you're seriously trying to SR someone because you're a fast typer? That seems like trying to line up an easy mislime.

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well my vote is still a "real" vote and my SR on you is about as weak as a fluffy pillow

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right now we're in early post-RVS Day 1, which means most of my reads are neutral and it's just a good idea to keep your vote on the one that's just a slightly bit more scummy than the cosmic background radiation

pedit: yeah it adds verisimilitude... you can't get that with a spotlight shined in your eyes

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pooky becomes weak town

lead rist now looks like this:

pooky - weak town - initiative and knowing how to play the game fun
anyone not mentioned - hard null - no data (dwlee only posted NAI)
radical rat - hard null - only keeping vote here because I have to

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VOTE: Firebringer

You are the first to actually answer the RQS (btw, there is no question 5 because 5 isn't a number in Dimension -2), however your posting does not line up with any Firebringer in any dimension or universe.

Galron feels laid back towny

And Flea is not sus

pedit: trying to LAMIST much?

ppedit: fair enough jjh

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the primordial chaos is not in any dimension or universe just so you know

pedit: it's NAI

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jjh r u town so i can just take all ur reads and pretend they are mine? pls let me know as soon as possible kthx

I am town

I'll let you know when I have reads

this is the LAMIST post

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btw firebringe your SR is because your posting has some sort of negative aura, possibly from astral demons

pedit: non-toxicity is a good idea for even meme games like this

ppedit: what the hell not mafia?!

pppedit: jester exists to make games more ruinous

ppppedit: welcome to dimension 15 firebringe

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preview preview edit

like P.P.S. but for preview edits

pedit: you're just proving my point with that post xD

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concept of the floating time unit: caramel manticore

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don't let the astral demons see this game

they will melt this thread into a pile of shadow sludge

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answer this question to see if you exist:

what is the flavor of blue?

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congrats, you somehow neither exist nor don't exist!!! ? what the hell?

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i just looked in my mafia pt and ur all in there.
what the hell kind of game is this

one that runs on subjective logic... dear god the astral demons are here!

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I think the packet is secretly just a ranch sauce packet

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very small less than zero but more than negative zero size scum read on NK15 for RVS voting outside RVS

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flea is like an iota above hard null

seems towny but no AI posts so far

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VOTE: Not Known 15

Transparently defensive in a scummy way, if red flip Flea is sus.

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oh and don't forget obvious OMGUS

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However, you are correct that you should announce e-2 as we are playing with Not Mafia and so E-1 is basically hammer

Wrong, announcing E-2 is scummy posturing

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either that or it is completely useless

don't announce E-2 or you're scum

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You know 141 contained questions directed at you, right?

It should be obvious that I asked him so that everyone would see what I saw.

In 147 you gave a non-answer

not sure how attacking the messenger has anything to do with that question

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anyway E-1 is the one you're supposed to announce at your leisure to avoid accidental hammer, accidental E-1 is not as bad as accidental hammer

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However, you are correct that you should announce e-2 as we are playing with Not Mafia and so E-1 is basically hammer

consider this evidence that jjh and NM are buddies

if one flips red, the other is likely also red

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Don't care, E-1 is E-1 and you can't convince me otherwise

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btw NK15 is at effective E-3 because no one has claimed doublevoter or other weirdvoter and setup spec likely indicates one doesn't exist

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btw NK15 is at effective E-3 because no one has claimed doublevoter or other weirdvoter and setup spec likely indicates one doesn't exist

It's an open setup and NK15 is at ACTUAL E-3 as I am not currently voting there, just pushing

in that case actual E-3 is effective E-3, 2000%.

NM does seem like the type to lolhammer, but actual E-3 in a setup mod-confirmed to have no weirdvoters is effective E-3, mod-confirmed.

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luckily I'm fine with liming NK15, plus in a mountainous setup there's no point in not cutting Day 1 short

there's no way you're that scummy

E-1 in the tent is the final pressure, that's when you have to say something not scummy before the hammer drops.

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ebwop: "there's no way NK15 is that scummy", jjh seems town

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I like short Day 1's as Day 1's are hell for me

I tend to just openwolf on Day 1

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luckily I have something hard enough to feel confident about the bottom of my lead rist

and that's all I need to vote my way out of Day 1 in a potential mountainous setup

however cyrus62 has not posted a single post yet and Faerie Mages and Enchant have ISOs devoid of actual useful content, so cutting the day

this

short would be reckless.

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there's zero NKA or associatives in Day 1, and it is too early to VCA

all I know is that pooky and jjh and radical are weak townreads, NK15 is a significant scumread, firebringer is a weak scumread, and galron is confusing

pedit: potential as in the mod doesn't even have activity rules

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speaking of:

@mod: what are your activity rules?

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Flea just feels very NAI, with really the only useful post being a vote then unvote on Firebringer

as for gut feeling Flea seems promising

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Galron seems like a towny thoughtstreamer

Enchant is null but is promising

also, please don't reveal your fight choices as that ruins the spirit of the game

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if this is indeed mountainous the EV of this setup is scumsided

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Remind me, why should't i steal fighter of different player to survive if i even find myself in position where i can lose fight?

Because it's something i will do if happens.

and this is why we should not pre-announce fighters

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well, that's the mechanical reason why, the true reason why is that it would ruin the Superfight aspect of the game

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there's still the chance of WIFOM

but yeah it wouldn't be feasible or fun to reduce this to "choose the NK from a list of 2" mafia

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... and now it would be a bad idea to vote Draluc because it is pre-announced

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ebwop: Draluc is a he/him apparently

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we should play the game with fun

also pre-announced fighters aren't fun

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and the hammer drops

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With NK15's red flip, Flea is implicated as an associative...

With Pooky's green flip, Dwlee99 looks scummy because Pooky distanced from them.

jjh gains deepwolf factor but I doubt scum are willing to WIFOM that brazenly

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VCA is useless, I only see vanity wagons asides from NK15

NKA is pretty useless, it's a strong TR against a weak TR so N1's fight isn't spicy

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I do like to point out that the restriction is one that doesn't hinder Batman at all, but it also hinders the bear only marginally.

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Faerie: Mage, how do u feel about the camera footage I just played?
Mage: Hmm I think that jj guy looks worse because the defense on the nk dude looked weird
Faerie: I think it might only be an issue if nk is scum
Mage: I think the bear looks a lot worse if nk is town
Faerie: Sure, I think that we'll come to an agreement when it comes to it
Mage: That concludes episode two of destroying the baddies with Faerie and Mage! Until next time... *zap*

care to explain why both jjh and pooky were chosen to fight?

this post makes you look like you scum slipped

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For what it's worth, NK15, I think you have no idea how to effectively scumhunt, and this is the exact situation you had going for you with your tunnel on the fire/pooky hydra in RC's latest upick. That is to say, I think you are town here

I am looking forward to you tunneling on me all game and everyone ignoring you

this could be an associative, though it means jjh was 8000% bussing

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I am pretty sure it was self-evident NK15 was scum though

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VOTE: Faerie Mages

Openwolfing, chainsaw defending themself

willing to vote Flea as well, but openwolves are more LHF

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why not NM? He's playing some weird 6D chess with multiverse time travel and quantum superposition town game

pedit: 241 could be a reaction test but it does make you look like you're definitely bussing. As for 343 that's a post where jjh looks bad if NK15 is scum and where pooky looks bad if NK15 is town, it's a bit too telegraphed for me

btw the response is openwolfing so my vote is staying there even if it's mod-confirmed to be a misrep

ppedit: magical thinking

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(my vote will change, but not because I misrepped faerie, my scumread on them is still in medium confidence)

there's nothing in your ISO that could even be read as such jjh, and I Ctrl+F5ed Radical. You're just trying to bus Radical Rat as well.

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I reskimmed your ISO and I'm clearly mistaken, you only voted NK15 in RVS

pretty sure you have to vote to bus someone, besides both defenses and pushes don't indicate a bus

343 is me thinking there was a scumslip with the sussy correlation, the seemingly flailing and dissonant response is openwolfing

pedit: @NK15: think of "5D chess with multiverse time travel" (a real game in Dimension 1, believe it or not) and add another dimension.

@jjh [1]: there's no incentive to do that as scum would just pit you against someone else

I thought you were trying to push NK15 with zero substance, I have a medium confidence town read on you

@jjh [2]: skimming doesn't catch details so that's what happened lol, also yeah I forgot lol

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ebwop: NM, not NK15 (who is scum and dead)

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you stating your push was only tonal somehow proves my point (which was mistaken)

tone isn't substance, and I saw NK15 as substantially scummy which makes my Day 1 easy

but yeah I might be mistaken on "bus", even though NK15 was a red flip I was saying that because your push seemingly lacked substance or even heft (tone can be hefty, but not substantial)

and something can be definite while still mistaken, that's called not having the right information

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but yeah I somehow managed to unlearn the entirety of Day 1

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aren't tone arguments considered to be bad arguments (they're better than ad hominem which would be something like thinking NM is scum because of his lolhammer meta)?

and yeah, 147 is full of scummy arguments. That's called

substance

, arguments are substance, tone is not.

pedit: somehow you managed to turn tone into substance

I'm not willing to explain why I forgot, it isn't relevant to the game

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so apparently tone can be substance?

huh, you have a good argument for that, so yeah

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Well, what convinced you initially to vote NK15?

I don't remember so I can only extrapolate from what was said...

138 is a transparently defensive argument and also an OMGUS, 145/146 is clear like the luminiferous aether.

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but yeah I might be mistaken on "bus", even though NK15 was a red flip I was saying that because your push seemingly lacked substance or even heft (tone can be hefty, but not substantial)

Okay, so... Every prior instance of "bus" should be replaced with "weak push" then? Is that correct?

yes, but bear in mind this will not necessarily be true proactively

weak pushes don't necessarily have the intent of distancing

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Roden seems towny because of 376 having town thought process

Radical Rat is just confusing, apparently the no-fun strategy is a towntell?!

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Peeking. Pr0dding.

VOTE: pooky[/v]

you know Pooky was the NK right?

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flea's attack on me feels like it is in a superposition of good and bad, therefore I still SR flea because flea sus

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however, I think Enchant is town, so that's another reason to SR flea

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VOTE: Flea The Magician

Associative with NK15, seemingly distancing from Enchant and TemporalLich

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Anyone dead?

NK15 was the lim on Day 1, flipped red
Pooky was the NK on Night 1, flipped green (they fought jjh)

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Because Flea is the first scum

And what is your evidence?

here is the reason why NK15 has an associative with Flea - this is a scummy defense

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Also bussing enchant by saying they're not a real magician lol

You write your own case.

you're still voting me, and I think you need to be voting someone to be bussing someone? Enchant feels scummy but that's because I don't feel the town mindset.

Faerie: I think Flea isn't the baddie off wagon
Mage: Flea has been murmuring faerily goodie things
Faerie: We think fae is busy but a goodie

Flea does have the town mindset but associatives and distancing don't lie. (ftr, I don't think Flea is distancing from me, rather fae is pushing me - hence town mindset)

Thing is, I'm not actually convinced fae's scum yet. I thought I was after the flip, but upon reflection it seems odd to me that NK15 would want to get himself entangled with his buddy so soon. It could have been a kneejerk reaction borne from panic... but I don't really think the pressure was there to warrant that? jjh projected certainty, but was only one player, and hadn't yet presented any kind of actual argument. It seems more likely that it was a botched pocket attempt, with NK knowing Flea was Town and thinking defending fae would make him look better to Flea and those who townread fae.

133 doesn't feel pockety.

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let's say I'm mod-confirmed town

what would I need to do to be bussing Flea?

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the first condition is to completely remove alignment from the equation for the sake of argument, I'm not that vain

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Faerie: Wait so you think Flea has a goodie mindset and a baddie role pm?
Mage: I'm not sure it's possible to have both??

Flea's posting and pushing are good, however NK15 buddied with Flea in a scummy defense. 407 is bussing Enchant (because you don't need to vote to bus)

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btw, distancing is a weak push for the intent of not having associatives

the intent is why it gets called distancing, so a goodpush can be distancing

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Faerie: Wait so you think Flea has a goodie mindset and a baddie role pm?
Mage: I'm not sure it's possible to have both??

Flea's posting and pushing are good, however NK15 buddied with Flea in a scummy defense. 407 is bussing Enchant (because you don't need to vote to bus)

let's say I have medium-low confidence that Flea is distancing from Enchant and and would lim there (you'd have to want to lim there to bus - otherwise it isn't bussing) and that the game is mod-confirmed 10:3 (see 174) and that I have -10% confidence I have the scum team lined up.

What confidence would you give on Flea is bussing Enchant?

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ebwop: confirmed, not mod-confirmed

I'm just too overconfident this game

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but yeah at least overconfidence is a towntell

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Pooky's only interaction with Dwlee is attacking the no-fun plan - which I called distancing even though it would be pointless to distance there

distancing is when you interact in a way to shut down associatives - it generally benefits scum more than town

RR still feels scummy but I don't have substance, just gut

Firebringer has no substance at all, so I can't establish a substantial read on firebringer

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I mean the lack of power roles is unfun but this game is more fun with quick days

however to win we need to actually scum hunt like in actual Mafia

pedit: i agree lol

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I'd be fine with a RR lime todaey

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I can read Faerie Mages, I think Faerie Mages is scum with a strong town mindset, I'm basing this off Faerie Mages flailing in 350

btw I am not confirmed town, that was for the sake of a terrible argument that is actually just fluff

pedit: EV feels scumsided but that's a unfounded guesstimate

ppedit: fair enough, you seem town toyear

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btw batman could easily shred a solid metal bear

especially with prep time

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metal bears aren't super vigilantes that the town doesn't deserve

pedit: the prep time makes it interdesting

and yeah, a metal bear dies to removal, it's just a 2/2 artifact creature

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I'm not a weeb so there's that

pedit: I am pretty sure there is three scum, and one of them is NK15

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Potential mountainous game?

It just IS a mountainous game
This is literally the setup
viewtopic.php?f=115&t=88370&p=13165964#p13165964

steup

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I can conform that I'm currently voting Flea rn

pedit: congrats you just pre-announced saitama so picking saitama is a bad no-fun idea

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I am pretty sure they're both good at a lot of things

saitama is overpowered anyway and pre-announced fighters are not fun regardless

pedit: and the fight could be in the dimension of reverse logic meaning Draluc (pre-announced fighter) would win

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an attempt at a lead rist

[Town]

jjh927 - pretty obvious townie
Roden - town with town mindset
Galron - towny thoughtstreamer
Not_Mafia - towny memelord
Dwlee99 - pooky distanced from them, feeling town here though
Firebringer - upward trend, used to SR here
Radical Rat - no town mindset what so ever
Enchant - at this point likely just scum bussing Flea, no town mindset what so ever
Faerie Mages - scum with strong town mindset, flailed when asked about the fight choice
Flea The Magician - scum with town mindset, associative with NK15

[Scum]

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Why everyone in town list

you're reading the lead rist wrong

[Scum]

is at the bottom, and you're closer to

[Scum]

than

[Town]

but a lead rist is meant to put reads in order from town to scum.

pedit: even if flea were green I'd still have you in the PoE

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I'm willing to be on the Enchant wagon

same with Faerie but they are on an upward trend especially with the lead rist

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yeah enchant is like prebebly scum so liming enchant is good

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I'm willing to switch to Faerie Mages if need be

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Mage: Are you threatening to vote me if I vote you I'm terribly scared lol
VOTE: TemporalLich
Faerie: RR is my new best friend. Mage can you get the meme please?

I'm saying I'd vote you because you're scummy scum

also yeah you're 95% scum with all the buddying and stuff

VOTE: Faerie Mages

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you do realize radical rat is scum right?

voting me only makes this game even more scumsided than it already is

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this is a mountainous - the fun happens when days are quick so I kinda like having a large PoE even if it's less accuracy

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your dissonance is confrusing me

anyway my PoE is {Faerie Mages, Enchant, Radical Rat, Flea The Magician} - this is where scum is but it's 200% the size of the actual remaining scumpool so it is inevitable there are green flips in the PoE

If I needed to pare down the PoE, Flea is getting cut from the PoE

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i said your dissonance is confrusing me and I stand by that

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Mage: We don't scumread TemporalLich as much as we are annoyed with their logic.
Faerie: I scumread TemporalLich!

slight dissonance here

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Faerie: Mage, how do u feel about the camera footage I just played?
Mage: Hmm I think that jj guy looks worse because the defense on the nk dude looked weird
Faerie: I think it might only be an issue if nk is scum
Mage: I think the bear looks a lot worse if nk is town
Faerie: Sure, I think that we'll come to an agreement when it comes to it
Mage: That concludes episode two of destroying the baddies with Faerie and Mage! Until next time... *zap*

this is very dissonant

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Nvm lol sry

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whoops

VOTE: Enchant

yeah faerie mages is starting to look town, better actually put my vote where it is useful

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Faerie: TemporalLich moved off us for no reason
Enchant: Enchant's recent posts give me paranoia but I still think Enchant is town. Agree with Faerie on TemporalLich vote here
Faerie: Psssst Flea we have something to tell you!

"because you're starting to look town" is not a good reason to unvote you?!

man you're trying to reverse OMGUS

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I voted against Natsuki Subaru on suspicion of cheating (the constraint seemed to be tailored to him)

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btw you can talk with magic especially if you're an incorporeal voice

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VOTE: Radical Rat

The only sensible option in my PoE (because there's two scum left, this is not a pressure vote but an actual vote)

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as for the spicy NK, I think Flea is the only person who would actually submit that NK choice as a serious NK choice

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Actually okay I have a theory for why flea/firebringer would be picked if both town but it might be anti-town to share

and that would be because you blatantly TMIed while also painting a target on yourself

VOTE: Flea The Magician

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we're at 7:2, so we have two spare mislims

If flea is a correct lim then I vote RR because PoE, if flea is a mislim then I vote Dwlee because TMI

pedit: I could death tunnel RR but your TMI has put Flea as a prime infolim

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Actually okay I have a theory for why flea/firebringer would be picked if both town but it might be anti-town to share

if anyone doesn't think this post is scummy (how in the actual hell does sharing NKA equal anti-town?) then I'll be confrused.

pedit: you posted an obviously scummy post calling Flea town. That's called TMI. Your TMI places Flea in such a position that eliminating faer collapses the game's wave function.

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VOTE: Dwlee99

Openwolfing, this does not mean that Radical Rat is not scum because Dwlee99 is blatantly bussing (in this case I am pretty sure I have that word used correct) so that still means RR is in the PoE.

Also if Dwlee99 is scum 638's first sentence means "Because my theory could give town knowledge of the scum's strategy for picking future night kills".

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fuck it I'm already in people's PoEs so what am I going to lose with an OMGUS?

VOTE: Radical Rat

pedit: you're bussing them with the subtlety of a brick to the face

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I have a feeling that's about as likely as Dimension 1's Sun turning green within the next 24 hours.

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I am pretty sure anyone could, it's just that I doubt you're town.

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This should have been a closed setup or have been more Superfight and less Mafis

Mountainous is fricking boring and I stand by that

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I joined without thinking it was an open setup >_>

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was hoping for something more Grand