Micro 1042: Meme Wars | Fin!

[Pavowski]

LoTR vs Wheel of Time is like not even a comparison.

VOTE: STD for that pretty good meme

[Pavowski]

VOTE: STD

Is Wheel of Time actually any good? The series on Amazon looks very...not good, which isn't a good sign for the LOTR adaptation they're also doing. I'm assuming it's a "just read the books" kind of situation because a quick Google search shows that the fanbase is really passionate.

I never finished the series. I stopped after like book five or six, which should tell you something

Of course the fact that the series has that many books should also tell you something

The Amazon LOTR adaptation can get hecked also, the LOTR trilogy is transcendent and everything after that is just chasing smoke

[Pavowski]

Azurmil is my first town read, I think.

This is weird enough for an early townlean

[Pavowski]

Are you shading your own vote? Lol

[Pavowski]

Since you seem legitimately annoyed by it, meh

UNVOTE:

Pressure is good and such but I really don't mind playing slow

I was gonna unvote but now I am not doing it

[Pavowski]

I think Prism is trying to subliminally suggest something to you here STD

[Pavowski]

Who in the sauce is shiki?

[Pavowski]

Got it.

I've had my morning run and the game is slow, so here are some hot takes.

My RVS on STD is no longer RVS, it's now an AVS (actual vote, seriously)

Based on the page 3 back and forth, there's an outside chance STD and Prism are teamed, though it's probably (maybe?) early in the game for theatrics

And I don't think there's any universe where Esooa and Meg are scum together, though they could be individually

That was fun, now it's time to hunt some town instead

[Pavowski]

My RVS on STD is no longer RVS, it's now an AVS (actual vote, seriously)

I'm not seeing this one. Is this based on the bugspray vote?

Nah, it's the indignance and upset over being a leading wagon on day one

[Pavowski]

because town couldn't get upset at such a thing

Not what I'm saying. Of course town could get upset by that. It's the feel of it that pinged me.

[Pavowski]

VOTE: Pavowski

Hurtful.

[Pavowski]

i'm a 1 shot RB

i'm also living in a covid world that sucks so maybe i'm not exactly rosy all the time

I felt that in my damn soul

[Pavowski]

Also, yeet.

[Pavowski]

VOTE: Three

You have my interest ratman, let's see where this goes. VOTE: Three

[Pavowski]

my vote on pavowski wasn't very serious but i don't expect people to get that

I didn't particularly think it was serious, but it did put me at e-2

We're all counting votes really carefully at this point, right?

[Pavowski]

Feels like home.

[Pavowski]

VOTE: Bugspray

Yeah, this feels off. How many times has Dwlee actively contributed, by that definition? In fact, what about me? It looks like one of those metrics thats makes sense on the surface, but it's obviously a bunch of crap after a moments reflection.

Is a Three wagon something you don't want taking off, for some reason?

Hard agree, I want more from Esooa as well but she's hardly the only lurky slot

[Pavowski]

Are you asking or telling

[Pavowski]

VOTE: val

Scum?

Are you asking or telling

Actually what I want to ask is, are you asking Val or asking the rest of us?

[Pavowski]

Sigh UNVOTE:

I would really like to scumread bugspray but like

I just ... can't picture scum drawing attention to themselves with this weirdness

clarification: This is intent to yeet the player slot esooa. I am trying to create a

LETHAL WAGON

.

So if scum in this game would do some conventionally scummy things and, y'know, identify yourselves to the group, that would be much appreciated at this point

[Pavowski]

Sigh UNVOTE:

I would really like to scumread bugspray but like

I just ... can't picture scum drawing attention to themselves with this weirdness

clarification: This is intent to yeet the player slot esooa. I am trying to create a

LETHAL WAGON

.

??? This is not difficult to fake at all, just bugspray going aggressive.

Do you have comparable experience here that leads you to think that?

I don't think I've played with spray before.

[Pavowski]

That turned out to be one of like three issues and I'm gonna vote you so F

I take it you know Spray better than I, so, cool.

I'm not saying it's a townlock or anything and my day 1 reads are consistently trash, I am perfectly happy to be proven an idiot on that take

[Pavowski]

Third, did not like the unvote on bugspray. I don't think it's anything specific to bugspray, if anything I'm floored by the level of proactivity bugspray has shown because this was not at all what I expected. I'm saying that scum have an incentive to be a bit performative and aggressive and it'd surprise me if you hadn't seen that more broadly.

I didn't think I was expressing a new thought with that. I could've sworn I saw somebody else in the thread make basically the exact same point about bugspray. But upon review I either missed it or imagined it, so while I was gonna call you out for selectively scumreading me over that other person, I will now accept your scumread with whatever dignity I can pretend to have.

Also I was never voting bugspray.

[Pavowski]

Vote val win game yw

I'd forgotten what it's like to play with Dwlee, thanks for bringing it back

[Pavowski]

Vote val win game yw

I'd forgotten what it's like to play with Dwlee, thanks for bringing it back

Have I really not efforted with you in a game. I will eventually, but this is meme wars

You efforted pretty good in that one newbie game you replaced into (with sushi and kenny, whose lim made you sad). Also how dare you suggest the memes don't merit effort

[Pavowski]

Naked votes are my favorite!

[Pavowski]

Third, did not like the unvote on bugspray. I don't think it's anything specific to bugspray, if anything I'm floored by the level of proactivity bugspray has shown because this was not at all what I expected. I'm saying that scum have an incentive to be a bit performative and aggressive and it'd surprise me if you hadn't seen that more broadly.

I didn't think I was expressing a new thought with that. I could've sworn I saw somebody else in the thread make basically the exact same point about bugspray. But upon review I either missed it or imagined it, so while I was gonna call you out for selectively scumreading me over that other person, I will now accept your scumread with whatever dignity I can pretend to have.

Also I was never voting bugspray.

Found what I was talking about. I shouldn't play while I'm on gummies:

The comment about three is interesting/maybe weird though as it implies three is wolfy or at least notable even though I don't think Val said anything about them

I don't think three is all that wolfy, to borrow your term, but I do think the timing was notable. The whole "LETHAL WAGON" business was premature, and to my mind, obviously over the top in such a way that I can't help but wonder if it was actually calculated to draw attention; which isn't something I would usually expect from scum, but I can think of a small number of scenarios scum might chose to do so - one of which is if a wagon is about to take off on a powerfull PR, and a three wagon looked like it was just about to start rolling. I also considered the possibility it was aimed at distracting from the discussion around STD, but the Three votes were the immeadtely procceding posts.

I do find myself musing today, however, that such a thing is less likey in a micro game and I might have been barking up the wrong tree with respect to motivation, but it still feels

off

to me.

I am not sure how I feel about it coming from Val but I knew I didn't imagine it. So I'm back on being slightly salty for Prism selectively scumreading me over flagging the whole "Lethal Wagon" thing

I don't mean to dwell on this but nobody is posting

It's almost like you people have lives on a Saturday, what up with that??

[Pavowski]

i don't have a life ama

Still like your Three vote? I'm reviewing with a clearer head and I like you for town so

[Pavowski]

Got any grapes?

[Pavowski]

Bummer. I was ready to townlock you.

When was the last time you shaved the thing on your chin?

[Pavowski]

Nice, nice

Who's scummier, Val or Meg?

[Pavowski]

Ok cool

If an African swallow travels east from Key West and a European swallow travels east from Seattle, where will they meet?

Also please enjoy this pagetop, I usually yeet them for myself

LUKE HOW DARE

[Pavowski]

Ok cool

If an African swallow travels east from Key West and a European swallow travels east from Seattle, where will they meet?

Also please enjoy this pagetop, I usually yeet them for myself

LUKE HOW DARE

Also dammit the African swallow is traveling west, a;ljsf;la

[Pavowski]

Holy shit really?

[Pavowski]

Ok uhhhhhh

if I vote Lukewarm here, will you scumread me for it?

[Pavowski]

I was doing it anyway but your endorsement means a lot.

VOTE: Luke

I have determined that STD is town guys

[Pavowski]

I just realized that's going to give the vote-counter a stroke so I'll fix that but it stands in spirit UNVOTE:

[Pavowski]

That's a good question that like, I could answer better in another state, but for now I kinda wanna say that one of these two voting me is probably scum

Unless what Prism pointed out in my posts is in fact as bad as Prism thinks it is, which I'm not sure it is

Which would give me Esooa....

Actually I'm reaching the point where I'm not useful to think about this stuff

I'll look at Esooa again in the morning and stay unvoted til then

[Pavowski]

Jesus slow down.

Just got back from my run but if one of you voting for me could unvote and take me out of lolhammer range, that'd be great? At least let me weigh in this morning and then you can put your vote right back

[Pavowski]

Seriously the votes on me are Prism's, which Prism cased

Naked vote from Esooa with zero followup

Naked vote from Meg with "more on this later"

And now Val quick puts me at e-1

I hope this is giving the rest of you red flags

I know I'm easy to mislim but c'mon now

[Pavowski]

The rest of my reads, just in case.

Just in case what? In case the day ends early, which apparently you're ready to do?

[Pavowski]

Who do you think is at risk of lolhammering you here; or this more of a "I need some time to discuss a possible fakeclaim with my scum buddies" thing?

I'm here, but not unvoting. This game needs a kick in the ass one way or another.

It's not that I'm afraid of a particular person doing it, but I've lolhammered as scum and maybe somebody else is wanting to juice the game just like you are.

I think it's mad sketchy to put me at e-1 without Esooa or Meg giving some reasoning for their votes regardless of your own reasons for scumreading me.

[Pavowski]

Val if you're town I'd consider it a gesture of goodwill if you could unvote for a couple hours at least.

[Pavowski]

UNVOTE:

I'll do this until I give my reasons at least

Thanks Meg. I have a couple chores I need to see to and I'll make some posts (maybe my last in this game, whee)

[Pavowski]

Okay, first things first, I owe a post on Esooa from last night.

I think the bulk of their ISO is null (not surprising for d1) but then they make some posts about Three which sorta waffle back and forth but seem to land on the scummy side for that slot (correct me if I'm wrong). This is probably the closest thing to an AI post they make, but it depends on Three's alignment. I could see this as scum theatre, since there's never a vote there (when I believe STD and I were voting there at the time, which would've put Three at an uncomfortable, if not dire, e-2).

I took Esooa's naked vote on me as particularly scummy. While I could see scum!Prism casing me and casting a vote to see if a wagon would take off, I think that's equally likely an approach from town!Prism trying to sort me. The naked vote, though, flagged me big time: "Hey, there's a decent post against Pav, let me get some of that."

But then, see, Esooa unvotes me and turns to Dwlee when I make a little noise about my speedy ascent to e-1. I don't think scum hops off my wagon so quickly. This is actually pushing Esooa into town territory for me. I'll grant it's easy enough to fake this, and try to win some cred here, but it would have been very easy for scum!Esooa to just leave the vote there, post nothing for a bit, see what happens, and then move the vote later if in fact the wagon dissolved. If I did get lolhammered, there'd be the "well, I placed a 2nd vote on him and then you guys quick ran him up, that's not my fault."

But I think I'm too deep with that. More likely, Esooa is town legit trying to sort me, and maybe she thinks (as I do) that there was/is scum on my wagon.

[Pavowski]

Why wait to be asked?

It's more exciting this way

Give me a call, I'm ready to believe you.

[Pavowski]

Well, it's a bit moot now, but no, I wouldn't unvote as a 'gesture of goodwill'. I had a game previously where I correctly deduced someone was scrambling for more time in order to discuss things in the scum PT before they were forced to claim, so I know it happens, and I'm scumreading you.

At least I'm pretty sure this spews Meg as not being the person you are potentially waiting for if you do flip red, so there is that.

I mean, this is just making it hard for me to take your vote on me seriously. If you're town, what's the harm in giving me a little time to defend myself / get some more thoughts out of me? If I'm scum, and I lie, and you still push my lim through, you have the added value of seeing how the plist reacts to my claim.

Scum often feel more compelled to commit to their reads rather than entertain doubt, and this smacks of that to me.

[Pavowski]

VOTE: Val

I'm voting with Dwlee and I don't like it

Then again, maybe Dw is just town here. Stranger things have happened

[Pavowski]

Well, it's a bit moot now, but no, I wouldn't unvote as a 'gesture of goodwill'. I had a game previously where

I correctly deduced someone was scrambling for more time in order to discuss things in the scum PT before they were forced to claim

, so I know it happens, and I'm scumreading you.

At least I'm pretty sure this spews Meg as not being the person you are potentially waiting for if you do flip red, so there is that.

I mean, this is just making it hard for me to take your vote on me seriously.

If you're town, what's the harm in giving me a little time to defend myself / get some more thoughts out of me?

If I'm scum, and I lie, and you still push my lim through, you have the added value of seeing how the plist reacts to my claim.

Scum often feel more compelled to commit to their reads rather than entertain doubt, and this smacks of that to me.

Pressure came off this one far too quick, folks.

It's cool that you made a correct read in that situation in that game, but you are wrong this time. Nothing to say about the rest of my post, huh?

Day 1 is less than half over and you were ready to ram through my elimination. Like, bro. Surely, even if you're 100% convinced I'm scum, you want to hear from the other posters some more, right? Maybe give you a chance to locate my partner and lock this whole thing up day 1 so you can brag about it afterward?

C'mon man

If I'm scum, who's my partner?

[Pavowski]

To be more explicit, there was and still is absolutely nothing stopping you from defending yourself anyway, and you should have been doing so. Even if you think I am scum, you know I'm not going to be hammering you because I've just laid the E-1 vote.

This is like ... man I dunno what even to say here

Scum doesn't want to lolhammer. Scum wants to be an earlier vote on the wagon. The best thing you could hope for as scum is to get early position on a wagon and then have impatient/impulsive town hammer it. Placing a vote then obstinately leaving it there, thereby leaving me floating there to get hammered,

especially at this point in the day

, is distinctly scummy and you're talking about "well I couldn't hammer from that position so what are you even worried about"

[Pavowski]

Let me ask you this - if you are town, were you happy with the state of the game a few hours ago?

"Happy" is a weird way to think about it because I still feel mostly like I'm fumbling in the dark (as I always do d1). By "a few hours ago" I'm assuming you mean before the wagon on me got rolling this morning. But no, there are some slots not contributing as much as I'd like and I agree with what you said about the game needing a kick in the ass.

In that regard, if a wagon on me juices the game a little bit, I guess I'm for it? It at least gave us something to talk about and after how dead the thread was yesterday, that was welcome at least.

What do you think should have given me doubt between putting you at E-1 and now, exactly?

The doubt shouldn't come from me. I could say anything as scum to save my skin. It should come from the makeup and the circumstances of the wagon you were all gung-ho to ram through. But -- as you pointed out -- the pressure is off, at least for now, so this point is now moot.

I would still like to know who you think my partner is, since you're so confident I'm scum myself.

[Pavowski]

I don't see any reason you couldn't be scum with any of the slots of which I am suspicious.

STD and Bugspray, then. Fair enough.

I think I'm done with engaging you for now; for one thing we're just going in a circle at this point. I don't want to clutter the thread overmuch and I already did too much of that last night with STD; I don't want people tuning out at post after post from us. I've seen you tunnel on town as town before so I'm willing to entertain that as a possibility here, but I think you are confbiasing yourself if so.

Either way, you've managed to get me emotional and that is not a space I like to play from, so I'm leaving the thread to some other voices for a bit.

[Pavowski]

I'm taking that as intent.

I'm a 2-shot rolecop. Scum is in [val, prism, esooa, bugs] if I had to call it right now. STD and Esooa probtown. Good luck if you hammer me, I'm making some dinner.

[Pavowski]

I think it makes sense with STD's claim.
Don't want to openly speculate further though

This was a good part of my TR on STD.

Granted it's not a *great* reason; if town-sided PRs are limited, it stands to reason scum-sided PRs are as well

But at least his claim was more-or-less in line with mine, so...

Role claim doesn't swing it for me in and of itself.

Nor should it, but at least I'm easy to verify. Tonight I'll either be dead or blocked or I'll have a result on somebody that we can evaluate.

[Pavowski]

Meant to do some reading back today, but my head is killing me and it'll have to wait for tomorrow.

Mondays amirite?

[Pavowski]

We're gonna be talking about this game like people talk about the old testament

There are the times before Pooky, and we are living now in the post-Pooky era

Those were dark times back then

[Pavowski]

as opposed to what, a fake reason?
VOTE: esooa

VOTE: val

These posts are 6 mins apart and I am getting whiplash

But yet again I find myself thinking "why does scum!bugspray do weird shit like this" and in a more existential sense "why does anybody do anything like this"

I need caffeine and this is a week where I'm trying to cut back on the caffeine so life is just pain wall to wall

[Pavowski]

Pooky's read on Esooa smells fishy. Three largely ignored the slot but for some skepticism on a read or two, Pooky crashes in with a scumread.

I don't say it's wrong but I want to know why Pooky is so sure.

[Pavowski]

is it reasonable to say no wolves have come out and said "look at these people pushing the PR's who are now confirmed town, that's scummy, they're wolfy" is becuase wolves did that

I don't know exactly what you're saying here but neither of the 2 claimed PRs could be called confirmed at this point.

[Pavowski]

I'll put a vote on a real wagon tomorrow I guess

Do not get lack of appetite for Meg but o k a y

I have almost no read on Meg right now. They accused me of coasting at one point but I think the shoe is solidly on the other foot.

Time is a little short to explore a new wagon but what the hell.

VOTE: Meg

I'm ready to go back to Val at the drop of a hat, tho (get it?)

[Pavowski]

Nah I'm not coasting I'm beetlejuicing.

There's not much motion any which way atm and I'm kind of ready for a flip

As for the stuff recently with pooky/esooa I'll need to go over the isos which I can do now. I've used this kind of push before as scum so I don't like Pooky atm for town, but I'll need to check if there's a legitimate difference in the iso. Either way I don't think it reflects on esooa's alignment much

This is a new term for me but I take it beetlejuicing means you wait for somebody to mention you before you say anything. Not the most towniest way to play but I guess I get it.

I think I agree with your take on Pooky/Esooa. I can see scum motivation for Pooky's play here easily. Whether that's the case or not I'm not ready to judge. Also, and this is maybe not the cleverest thing, but I don't love voting replacements the day they join a game, so I'm going to leave the question of Pooky for tomorrow.

[Pavowski]

Addressed to nobody in particular, but it would be nice if this game got a bit of attention once in a while.

I can forgive IRL issues, I can forgive if there is some sort of scumplay underway that involves shirking until deadline, but I know you can't all be scum.

This post gives me the creeps, but I already scumread you, so whatever

Problem is, reads seem pretty much set for most of us and the ones who haven't been posting as much are not likely to say "oh yeah, I should post more" after a post like this.

We need a flip to get somewhere at this point.

[Pavowski]

Good job missing the point, there Pav.

Spoiler: for Val

Bro.

I get you want people to post so we can refine our reads, and so do I.

But stuff like the above just sounds condescending, and I'm not the only one you've done it to in this thread. I can even believe you're not doing it on purpose, I've fallen victim to my sense of humor being misinterpreted in a game too. But just, maybe tone it down a little? Getting snarked at can make people hesitant to post. IMHO you undercut your call for more activity when you follow up a response to it like this.

To address your content, me "tailoring" my claim to STD's is a neat theory, but I don't want to dive too much into mechspec (is that a thing? It should be if not) at this point. Like we've said, my claim is easily evaluated in future days.

I'm not settled on flipping you. I'm currently voting Meg, though I agree with you, it doesn't look like it'll happen and Meg isn't taking the bait anyway. So this is where we are.

(Pedit and damn this post is getting long) why not vote Meg and see what happens?

[Pavowski]

I admit to drunk posting, which my be colouring my judgement a bit; but I think I'll bank the play advice and whatnot until after I know the alignment of the person giving it. It just feel stoo easy to manipulate otherwise.

Fair, but fwiw I like to think I'd give you this advice as either alignment.

Drunk posting is bad, posting on edibles might be worse

[Pavowski]

fwiw I like to think I'd give you this advice as either alignment.

(I say this as if I'm an expert at this game or something and not day 1 limbait)

[Pavowski]

Would vote Meg over Pooky

Git some

[Pavowski]

Someone tell me there is no fucking way Esooa is scum with Pooky, right? Tell me I know

something[/i[] about this game...

I entertained the possibility it could be theatre but I dunno if I believe it.

I wouldn't say there's no way but right now, feels unlikely

[Pavowski]

3 scum does not make any kind of sense in a 9 player game from a balance perspective (to me), but it also kind of doesn't matter right this minute

[Pavowski]

I dunno how we're 12 hours from deadline and nobody posted overnight, cool cool

I'll be around off and on for the rest of the day but ... yeah we gotta want it

[Pavowski]

I still think meg's a good vote but I am slowly accepting that it won't happen today despite a few people expressing doubt on the slot

I would rather not lim Pooky today

[Pavowski]

would people compromise on bugspray

There's nobody voting bugspray right now, that strikes me as a tough sell given the clock. You think the votes are there?

[Pavowski]

I could vote there.

[Pavowski]

Vote Count 1-13

PookyTheMagicalBear

(3): Save The Dragons, bugspray, Val89

MegAzumarill

(2): Prism, Pavowski

Dwlee99

(2): Esooa, MegAzumarill

Val89

(2): Dwlee99, PookyTheMagicalBear

Not Voting

(0):

None.

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Top shelf meme

Deadline: January 29, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2022-01-28 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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[Pavowski]

Omg what a mess I made of that post. I was just trying to note that the meme was excellent.

[Pavowski]

Whether he was already voting Pooky or not, bugspray's vote there is no bueno

[Pavowski]

You monsters.

[Pavowski]

Pooky wtf

[Pavowski]

Question for the room.

Do we think the other maf is a PR or vanilla?

[Pavowski]

what if there's 3 scum

STD you're obviously looking for ways to hedge on your block meaning what it seems pretty obviously to mean, but

If 3 scum, that's 3/9 to start

d1 mislim gives 3/8

d1 NK gives 3/7

d2 mislim gives 3/6, scum win.

Put aside any PR discussion -- that seems way too scumsided to lose sleep over.

I think your block on Esooa is pretty clear-cut.

[Pavowski]

Reconsidering the possibility of strongman
Would probably be one shot and almost definitely have targeted pav.
Pav could you say your result but not your target?

I found a vanilla last night.

[Pavowski]

Reconsidering the possibility of strongman
Would probably be one shot and almost definitely have targeted pav.
Pav could you say your result but not your target?

I found a vanilla last night.

Don't want to speculate too much but I agree with your thinking that scum may have been motivated to target me, which would make for a good reason not to target me, if you know what I mean

[Pavowski]

I am not sure I follow your reasoning on a hypothetical strongman (if the remaining scum is vanilla, which wouldn't shock me, then I'm not super useful now that Pooky is dead) and I am fairly sure such reasoning is not helping us much, here.

Esooa is for all intents and purposes cleared unless there's deep fookery afoot, and I'm not ready to strap on my tinfoil at this point.

[Pavowski]

can you explain my fake e-1 on pooky

I'm not sure what you are actually asking here. If you are Pookies partner, as I am theorising, then a fake vote on your partners wagon is meaningless.

Are you suggesting that vote somehow clears you?

I'm suggesting that the scenarios and reasons you are fabricating about the reasoning behind my actions do not take into account the fact that I voted pooky while pooky was on e-2 and then lied saying that pooky was at e-1 and then urged a player who has since flipped town via NK to hammer because the fact that I voted pooky while pooky was on e-2 and then lied saying that pooky was at e-1 and then urged a player who has since flipped town via NK to hammer contradicts the scenarios and reasons you are fabricating about the reasoning behind my actions.

It does not clear me, but it invalidates your argument.

This post made me feel like I was high, which is disappointing, because I am not high

[Pavowski]

I am not sure I follow your reasoning on a hypothetical strongman (if the remaining scum is vanilla, which wouldn't shock me, then I'm not super useful now that Pooky is dead) and I am fairly sure such reasoning is not helping us much, here.

Esooa is for all intents and purposes cleared unless there's deep fookery afoot, and I'm not ready to strap on my tinfoil at this point.

If there are three scum and then a non-esooa made the kill then essoa isn't confclear, but we don't have a strong reason to think there are three scum.

Agree entirely.

[Pavowski]

i want dwlee to post

Also agree entirely.

[Pavowski]

it is worth considering why Prism of all people was killed, though that reason I don't know.

I'd also say that Buspray lost WIM to post immediately after voting Pooky, which, as a wolf, is them feeling like they have to resign themselves to voting a partner and not liking it. Which I think is a good explanation

I also didn't love Bugspray's votes on Pooky with time winding down, but you think scum was bussing their PR?

I know bugs made this point already but it's giving me pause

[Pavowski]

people bus

there's other things I can say like the fact that pooky didn't do much to save themselves but it doesn't truly matter to me, I just don't care about if someone 'would' have bussed or whatever, but whether they're wolfy or not, and I think bugspray is. I also just don't care for things like "ACTUALLY my e-1 on Pooky was a bait all along, and not something I just did on accident"

I mean obviously people bus. I just don't think scum busses *in that way* and *at that moment*.

I agree that the slot gives me scum vibes but the vote, for me, blunts rather than sharpens those vibes

[Pavowski]

You might have a point if bugspray had been arguing for that lim and had given reason for people to join it, but they did the opposite and it smells to me like a distancing vote that went wrong, rather than a concentrated bus

Bugspray was there to reinforce the Pooky vote (the weird e-1 post) so presumably they could have switched if in fact the situation were "going wrong" as you say here.

I very much doubt given Bugspray's posts in thread that they were simultaneously in the scum PT saying "sorry I have to bus you here, it'll destroy my cred if I don't"

(Because what cred?)

Not impossible, I'll grant, but it doesn't seem likely.

[Pavowski]

Esooa is mech cleared by STD if STD is legit. I may be alone in this, but I think Bugspray's Pooky vote is clearing. Val is probably just town.

For me scum is in Dwlee or Meg.

VOTE: Dwlee

And I'll check back in a bit

[Pavowski]

Man I was gonna leave it, but I just can't help myself when Val calls me out.

By this rationale, scum!bugspray was attempting to derail a Pooky wagon by ... voting Pooky, appearing scummy, and getting wagoned himself?

Or have I horribly misunderstood you here?

(I said "reinforce" because my understanding was bugs was already voting Pooky when he made the e-1 post, but I'm mobile posting right now and can't read back to confirm that for suresies)

[Pavowski]

After some consideration I have decided that is is probably best for Pav to out their result.
It's more information at essentially no cost because a power role/clear always dies tonight anyway (StD or Pav)

If you do not wish to out (or targeted Esooa) you can decide not to but I think it's valuable

@pav

I was trying to figure a way to wrong some more info out of my check, but I am not that smart

(Then again the fact that you're the only one pressing me for it may be telling)

Anyway, Esooa is vanilla.

This is why I asked what we thought the other scum was, and this rules out the strongman theory... At least for scum!Esooa.

So yeah, Esooa is clear unless there's 3 scum, which I put at a <0.1% chance

[Pavowski]

can you case meg

Nope

i guess meg kinda shades pooky a couple of times without ever voting in that direction

PEDIT: thanks that's helpful

You're welcome my good rat friend

Can anybody corroborate scum!Dwlee operating at this level of dgaf?

[Pavowski]

After some consideration I have decided that is is probably best for Pav to out their result.
It's more information at essentially no cost because a power role/clear always dies tonight anyway (StD or Pav)

If you do not wish to out (or targeted Esooa) you can decide not to but I think it's valuable

@pav

I was trying to figure a way to

wrong

some more info out of my check, but I am not that smart

(Then again the fact that you're the only one pressing me for it may be telling)

Anyway, Esooa is vanilla.

This is why I asked what we thought the other scum was, and this rules out the strongman theory... At least for scum!Esooa.

So yeah, Esooa is clear unless there's 3 scum, which I put at a <0.1% chance

Should say *wring*, thanks phone

[Pavowski]

i'm stuck i think bugspray is more likely but i don't think they play that with their scumpartner but it could be they just play erratically always

I've been hung up on the same thing but I lean toward thinking it's not bugs here.

I'm also fairly sure you're legit STD (why clear Esooa otherwise?)

I think the best votes today are Meg or Dwlee. I'm tempted to say limming both could win the game but I'm not that confident yet.

[Pavowski]

Very tempted to hammer this just so we can stop talking about bugspray.

Also this game needs, not for the first time, a kick in the ass.

I'd do it right now, but I really don't think bugs flips red here.

Pedit: Val is posting, thank goodness

[Pavowski]

Tick, tock.

can you case meg

Nope

i guess meg kinda shades pooky a couple of times without ever voting in that direction

PEDIT: thanks that's helpful

You're welcome my good rat friend

Can anybody corroborate scum!Dwlee operating at this level of dgaf?

This is still on my mind. Anybody?

And Meg is basically oozing scumvibes for me right now.

[Pavowski]

There are easier ways to make your point, but your point is taken.

VOTE: Meg

[Pavowski]

That's e-1 btw. Bad on me to not declare it.

[Pavowski]

Don't be a wimp

[Pavowski]

I'll take most of your recent posts for $500, Alex

[Pavowski]

It occurred to me after Pavs "I'll hammer so we stop talking about bugspray..actually no" post yesterday, that if I am wrong, and it's a town!bugspray, then the best play for scum is actually to keep them alive as long as possible.

This occured to me as well, and I waited a whole day, and I am still bored

I guess we need to solve the bugspray question sooner or later, and it shouldn't have to happen in elo

VOTE: bugspray

FTR I thought Meg being at e-1 would shake some information out of the slot but haha nope

[Pavowski]

[Pavowski]

I might have missed it, but who did you target N2, Pav?

I checked Dwlee.

Bleh.