Micro 1042: Meme Wars | Fin!

[MegAzumarill]

Lego my ego

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: pavowski

:)

[MegAzumarill]

*plays loud jarring noise

[MegAzumarill]

It was very joking, not at all intense, and I wanted to plop down basically any vote. I did check and see that it was E-2. This probably wasn't a wise move with bugspray here, and I should have seen E-1 coming.

I again don't think you were ever in threat of being page 2 hammered with this playerlist, however.

Ima be honest I almost mistakenly hammered thinking it would be E-1,, I even recounted and missed one of the votes

Never underestimate stupidity

[MegAzumarill]

I was there
I read more than I post you know
It's why I Beetlejuice so much

[MegAzumarill]

My point is declare your e-1s btw

[MegAzumarill]

Value of E-1ing for no reason= ???

Figured I'd wait to check in when something happened and by that point I realized I miscounted

[MegAzumarill]

That post makes absolutely no sense, from not being there at the time, not commenting on if, and counting multiple times.

We have two slots (MegA and Bugspray) claiming they miscounted the number of votes on STD's wagon. Looking back, I can see how Prisms vote being for "Dragons" could have caused some confusion on a quick glance, so I am willing to buy that one.

Value of E-1ing for no reason= ???

I do find the other implication of Meg saying "I almost accidently hammered" interesting, however. Are you saying you didn't have any reason to actually suspect STD, but would have considered joining the wagon if your vote would have been E-2, but not when it would have E-1? Why?

Thought of E-1 on the first page was tempting for fun's sake nothing more.

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: bugspray

bad push is bad

[MegAzumarill]

what about that made you think three town

[MegAzumarill]

The comment about three is interesting/maybe weird though as it implies three is wolfy or at least notable even though I don't think Val said anything about them

I don't think three is all that wolfy, to borrow your term, but I do think the timing was notable. The whole "LETHAL WAGON" business was premature, and to my mind, obviously over the top in such a way that I can't help but wonder if it was actually calculated to draw attention; which isn't something I would usually expect from scum, but I can think of a small number of scenarios scum might chose to do so - one of which is if a wagon is about to take off on a powerfull PR, and a three wagon looked like it was just about to start rolling. I also considered the possibility it was aimed at distracting from the discussion around STD, but the Three votes were the immeadtely procceding posts.

I do find myself musing today, however, that such a thing is less likey in a micro game and I might have been barking up the wrong tree with respect to motivation, but it still feels

off

to me.

Usually the use of big colored letters in posts is to draw attention, yes

Drawing attention to yourself is not useful in this case as town because it disrupts discussion

[MegAzumarill]

Spicy? take: StD, Esooa, Val 89 are all town

[MegAzumarill]

yes

[MegAzumarill]

I feel like Std's reactions to pressure are from genuine town
Val's reads mirror my own when reading the game
You play in a style that makes me think you aren't interested in how others see you

[MegAzumarill]

The only game I played with Bugspray was a single jester game.

The only reason I would've voted would be to put someone up to E-1 way too early for funsies (it is meme wars after all). Thankfully I decided to be a little more serious.

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Pavowski

[MegAzumarill]

More about this later

[MegAzumarill]

UNVOTE:

I'll do this until I give my reasons at least

[MegAzumarill]

I feel like Pav was coasting in the area scum would most like to shoot for here on day 1.
Being just active enough with the gamestate to try and sneak by but not wanting to actively push anybody.
Additionally I don't get the impression of being curios to anyone's alignment here.
VOTE: Pavowski

THIS IS E-1

[MegAzumarill]

UNVOTE:

[MegAzumarill]

I think it makes sense with STD's claim.
Don't want to openly speculate further though

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Dwlee99
I mean sure

[MegAzumarill]

Evil bear?

[MegAzumarill]

Nah I'm not coasting I'm beetlejuicing.

There's not much motion any which way atm and I'm kind of ready for a flip

As for the stuff recently with pooky/esooa I'll need to go over the isos which I can do now. I've used this kind of push before as scum so I don't like Pooky atm for town, but I'll need to check if there's a legitimate difference in the iso. Either way I don't think it reflects on esooa's alignment much

[MegAzumarill]

I've used this kind of push before as scum so I don't like Pooky atm for town, but I'll need to check if there's a legitimate difference in the iso.

Why is it you suppose Pooky hasn't just come up with the goods for us, and save you and everyone else the trouble?

Not sure what you mean by this

[MegAzumarill]

I mean I see differences between the Isos so it could be town motivated but still don't think it's a good case

[MegAzumarill]

strong case*

[MegAzumarill]

Shhhh I wanna hammer the bear

[MegAzumarill]

Current solve:
I still stand by Std/Esooa/Val all town

Pav/prism likely has pooky's partner if pooky flips red

if not then scum likely falls in prism/bugspray/dwlee

[MegAzumarill]

I don't think that's the case either

[MegAzumarill]

Why would this

No, bugspray wanted us to move on to Esooa when three was under preasure. That can't be.

matter ?

[MegAzumarill]

Okay but how would a townies actions make a s/s world of pooky and esooa be impossible?

[MegAzumarill]

I don't see how that logic tracks

[MegAzumarill]

Bugspray would have to be town is pooky and esooa are both scum.
Which is the hypothetical to which we are referring is impossible, no?

[MegAzumarill]

3 scum would probably be too scumsided
a 2 mislim loss is way too early to be balanced

[MegAzumarill]

3 scum means we lose if we mislim d2 and d1

Unless we have an abundance of clears from n1, it's scumsided to the extreme then.

ergo there is 2 scum

[MegAzumarill]

bugspray feels like the easiest to sort later out of Pooky, Dwlee, bugspray, which ate the three I'm most willing to vote today

I'll return few hours before dl and will likely hammer anything in those three that's sitting at e-1

[MegAzumarill]

You may want to look closer before you flashwagon off that

[MegAzumarill]

1. I don't defend bugspray and actually scumread that slot but.....

2. Bugspray was already voting the slot

[MegAzumarill]

Intent to kill da bear

you have
(expired on 2022-01-28 21:02:08)

[MegAzumarill]

Micro 1042 | Meme Wars

A Newbie Friendly Micro Game

Presented By: fferyllt
Backup Moderator: Lukewarm

This game is dedicated to the memes of warring SF/Fantasy fandoms. Which fandoms will prevail? We shall soon see! The flavor is purely for your enjoyment (and mine!) and has no impact on the game's design, mechanics or rules.

Welcome to Micro 1042!

Player List

Prism

Esooa

Save The Dragons

Val89

Dwlee99

Pavowski

bugspray

PookyTheMagicalBear

Three

MegAzumarill

bold

= confirmed
* = prodded

Spoiler: Alive

Esooa
Save The Dragons
Val89
Dwlee99
Pavowski
bugspray
MegAzumarill

Spoiler: Dead

PookyTheMagicalBear,

Mafia Jailkeeper

, was eliminated on Day 1
Prism,

Vanilla Townie

, was killed on Night 1

Spoiler: Banished

Let's not go there

Spoiler: Votecounter Settings

living players

Esooa
Save The Dragons (replaces STD; std)
Val89
Dwlee99
Pavowski
bugspray
MegAzumarill

links

Day 1: Post #3
Day 2: Post #641

I think last maf could go either way.
If they are a pr and are a Strongman or something then the rb wouldn't be a full clear but that seems overturned without a protective
Still out who you roleblocked either way

[MegAzumarill]

accidental quote go vrrrrr

[MegAzumarill]

According to normal guidelines strongman doesn't fizzle on rb

[MegAzumarill]

this isn't normal but most likely still applies

[MegAzumarill]

Reconsidering the possibility of strongman
Would probably be one shot and almost definitely have targeted pav.
Pav could you say your result but not your target?

[MegAzumarill]

What role is pav if they aren't scum?

[MegAzumarill]

And what would happen if that role targeted scum

[MegAzumarill]

And why would you waste a limited shot kill on anything else

[MegAzumarill]

And what would happen if that role targeted scum

remember this is assuming scum is strongman

[MegAzumarill]

then why is prism dead?

That's my point

Prism would be alive if strongman decided to use their shot.

Ergo Esooa is conf!town

[MegAzumarill]

That said there still could be a strongman, but they almost certainly didn't use their shot on Prism.

[MegAzumarill]

My lim pool for today is dwlee99, bugspray, and Pavowski and you can't convince me to lim outside of there without a red check.
Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

[MegAzumarill]

what if there's 3 scum

I'd be willing to bet on there only being 2

[MegAzumarill]

what you are saying makes no sense
VOTE: meg

You find this scum indicitive why?

[MegAzumarill]

Reconsidering the possibility of strongman
Would probably be one shot and almost definitely have targeted pav.
Pav could you say your result but not your target?

I found a vanilla last night.

Don't want to speculate too much but I agree with your thinking that scum may have been motivated to target me, which would make for a good reason not to target me, if you know what I mean

My point is you would have a mech!guilty on a hypothetical strongman so you not dead means they didn't use their strongman shot

[MegAzumarill]

@mod I think the elimination threshold is incorrectly set

[MegAzumarill]

We have 3 clears* which means the game is halfway solved already.
I think Val is town.
Therefore 1 of Dwlee, bugspray is most likely scum fmpov.
Of the two bugspray looks more likely but not by much.

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Bugspray
E-2

[MegAzumarill]

Theoretically the day shouldn't end yet
Because of the off chance StD is scum and Esooa successfully used an ability with feedback.
So don't hammer

[MegAzumarill]

After some consideration I have decided that is is probably best for Pav to out their result.
It's more information at essentially no cost because a power role/clear always dies tonight anyway (StD or Pav)

If you do not wish to out (or targeted Esooa) you can decide not to but I think it's valuable

[MegAzumarill]

After some consideration I have decided that is is probably best for Pav to out their result.
It's more information at essentially no cost because a power role/clear always dies tonight anyway (StD or Pav)

If you do not wish to out (or targeted Esooa) you can decide not to but I think it's valuable

@pav

[MegAzumarill]

bugspray u got a case on me or no

[MegAzumarill]

I mean if you don't understand it I don't see how that's AI

Do you think this 'nonsense' serves an agenda

[MegAzumarill]

yes, i call it poisoned wine

If WIFOM of doing something scum wouldn't want/need to do is your only scumpoint on me it's a horrendus case
If you don't understand the point you could ask for clarification. At this point it's moot though.

I don't get the impression you care about my alignment

[MegAzumarill]

Like I've seen you as town
This looks nothing like it

[MegAzumarill]

A claim from bugspray would be nice then
Sparks some discussion

[MegAzumarill]

Tick, tock.

can you case meg

Nope

i guess meg kinda shades pooky a couple of times without ever voting in that direction

PEDIT: thanks that's helpful

You're welcome my good rat friend

Can anybody corroborate scum!Dwlee operating at this level of dgaf?

This is still on my mind. Anybody?

And Meg is basically oozing scumvibes for me right now.

source?

[MegAzumarill]

@ffery Can you fix the countdown?

[MegAzumarill]

How do we feel about StD's claim

I feel like massclaim here can solve the game

[MegAzumarill]

The problem being it can go very poorly

[MegAzumarill]

I'm not VT but don't want to say more until Val claims

[MegAzumarill]

esooa is confirmed VT

[MegAzumarill]

Val you jailkept me last night, correct?
That would explain a lot

[MegAzumarill]

I'll fullclaim when I get the confirmation and we should be able to solve from there

[MegAzumarill]

I'll just do it now I suppose

I'm a novice tracker and a tracked dwlee last night and Dwlee did not visit.

My conclusion is that StD is Mafia Roleblocker that roleblocked bal twice or Val is Mafia, much more likely the former.

Mafia getting 2 roleblocking roles is sketch though, so possibly StD is a MUB

[MegAzumarill]

StD-> Val is mechanically a confirmed win except the possibility of me both being able to roleblock and strongman which isn't strictly impossible but we can cross that if StD is town

[MegAzumarill]

I suppose if Dwlee is a ninja UB or Ninja roleblocker it fails as well

[MegAzumarill]

Yes I received a result last night.
If you were roleblocked n2 or lying is the only chance of that happening fmpov.

[MegAzumarill]

I hifgly doubt you do that as scum when i claimed not vt and its obvious im not a killstopper ergo it's StD

Most likely StD is Mafia Universal Backup

[MegAzumarill]

Esooa and Dwlee are p much conf!town either way

[MegAzumarill]

If I was scum wouldn't I just claim bodyguard and win?
Also if we roleblocked each other theoretically would I even be able to make the kill? It would be paradoxical at best.
Std needed to claim someone as a target, so why not Esooa? They were townread by a few townies at least and had hammered scum.

[MegAzumarill]

That is standard roleblock mechanics
You lose the shot if roleblocked

[MegAzumarill]

I feel like sending StD now and having this argument tomorrow if it gets there is best.
Let's scum have less info on which way Vts will decide.(Also I'm 90% sure we just win)
VOTE: Save the Dragons

[MegAzumarill]

I had originally thought the Pav kill was because the last scum was a ninja.

Pav still can catch Std or clear someone else with their check.
Why they changed their target I don't know, but I think it's probably from them wanting to sidestep responsibility for stopping PRs. If they had to do it more rhan once it would be a giveaway.

I think they roleblocked you because you were generally townread so any result you posted would be taken at face value

[MegAzumarill]

it's a weird endgame where the vanilla players are the clears

[MegAzumarill]

Mafia Jailkeeper
Mafia ???

??? MUST have a roleblocking ability if Val is town (probably Universal Backup)

2-Shot Role Cop
VT x3

2/3 of :
Novice Tracker
Jack of All Trades [Cop, Jailkeeper, Checker]
1 Shot Roleblocker

[MegAzumarill]

Ninja explains MegA's N2 result on Dwlee, if that is legit, but not my lack-of, correct?

Yes it would mean Dwlee could be scum unless they both roleblocked you and were a ninja and I find both at once unlikely to the point of ruling it out

[MegAzumarill]

If Val is scum: could be any role
If I am scum: must be a roleblocker that has immunity to RB or out prioritizes Jk.
If StD is scum: must be a roleblocker of any sort
If Esooa is scum: Impossible via Pav's result and Val/my results
If Dwlee is scum: Must be a ninja roleblocker and ninja killer

[MegAzumarill]

No one is decoding the crumb my guy

[MegAzumarill]

Do you think there's an obvious better choice?
If it's Std targeting Pav n1 would be extremely suspicious so who else

[MegAzumarill]

Yeah it was definitely not a no result
My action was successful, which also means Dwlee is not Ascetic

[MegAzumarill]

I suspect you are a Mafia Universal Backup Std

Makes sense to me from a design respective of not having 3 roleblocking roles in a "Newbie Friendly" game and being a soft clear to the role cop while lowering towns positive feedback without making scum OP

[MegAzumarill]

Val claimed joat jk cop Checker
n1 cop dwlee (no result)
n2 jk me

[MegAzumarill]

Interesting ruling

[MegAzumarill]

Still think Dwlee is clear but it makes Val!Town more likely imo because 2 mafia roleblockers make perfect sense in that world

[MegAzumarill]

Also this distinction between 1 scum dead or not would only really matter if there was a Tracker in game because it forces both scum to visit for full power. Normal multitasking would work functionally the same with the only difference being who performs the action.
This points to my claim being town, but I suppose i would've known this as scum before making my claim.

[MegAzumarill]

I was trying to assess the possibility of you being a Ninja.

[MegAzumarill]

As a note if we are in a world of 3 scum then it's Std and Esooa which I don't think is the case but either way I don't intend to unvote Std ever.

[MegAzumarill]

I mean I don't really need to solve at this point I have a 50/50 here and 2 elims. I'm kind of waiting to address concerns you may have

[MegAzumarill]

It impacts the power level of town which can be used to measure the power level of scum

[MegAzumarill]

I mean do I ever make the claim I did as scum?
I mean Wifom but it's objectively bad and I will straight just hang cops as scum because simple scum is effective scum

[MegAzumarill]

I mean I would have been suspicious of Std if Pav was roleblocked n1.

[MegAzumarill]

-_()_-

[MegAzumarill]

Rolecop Innos are PRs that generally would be considered inno anyway

[MegAzumarill]

I mean I know it's between you and Val and awesome no sense for to hang Val today so sure

[MegAzumarill]

According to wiki it would be determined via any fair method.

Essentially a coin flip or (as the wiki says) whoever entered the action first

[MegAzumarill]

Dwlee do you wanna kill std with me?

Also we aren't necessarily under a normal rules etc, just under normal roles

[MegAzumarill]

Notably Prism did claim to be a neighbor though I think it was in jest.
Can't parse any particular fake crumbs that scum may have picked up on though

[MegAzumarill]

Dwlee do you wanna kill std with me?

Also we aren't necessarily under a normal rules etc, just under normal roles

NAR is normal rules. And no, I'm ignoring mech except for what is absolutely proven: me/esooa conftown

I mean by play alone Val has looked better fmpov p much the whole game

[MegAzumarill]

Also why was I tracked when I was off wagon the mislim

You were a scumread of mine
Why would being off the mislim matter? That's where sc would want to be

[MegAzumarill]

I looked at the people who voted pooky and picked who I thought was bussin

Elaborate how you came to that conclusion please

[MegAzumarill]

you say it's a gut read but what about it pinged you this way

[MegAzumarill]

I mean by play alone Val has looked better fmpov p much the whole game

elaborate on this first and maybe i'll answer

Val's reads have mostly followed mine for the majority of day 1 which indicates we have similar perspectives and I know I'm town so....

[MegAzumarill]

Okay okay I have like minor paranoia starting about there being 3 scum this game. If true, meg/val are for sure partnered?

Do you think a world where towns only Prs are a OS roleblocker and a 2 shot role cop is ever even thought of with 3 scum in a 9pl game.
It's like 300% impossible

[MegAzumarill]

I mean Scum knows scum so your point is....

Answer my point as well

[MegAzumarill]

899

[MegAzumarill]

I looked at the people who voted pooky and picked who I thought was bussin

And I don't think this comes from town
Namely because it's literally untrue and it made it clear to me you were making stuff up as you go.
Why did you buss? I don't know. But your basis you gave makes it obvious you are just trying to be persuasive than actually scumhunt

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: megazumarill

I looked at the people who voted pooky and picked who I thought was bussin

I never voted for pooky

[MegAzumarill]

my bad on that then
doesn't show on ISO

[MegAzumarill]

...

[MegAzumarill]

still waiting

[MegAzumarill]

no I'm waiting for esooa

[MegAzumarill]

By play I find Val town so it's mainly POE.

[MegAzumarill]

I suppose

[MegAzumarill]

ggwp mafia
thx for hosting fferry