Micro 1044: A Normal Blitz V - Game Over

[Umlaut]

First

VOTE: shiki

Still haven't forgotten A Normal Blitz III.

[Umlaut]

First

VOTE: shiki

Still haven't forgotten A Normal Blitz III.

wasn’t that a normal blitz ii? assuming you are referring to the one humaneatingmonkey and i were mafia together

iii was the one i played town as inutile and you weren’t in it unless you were playing on an alt

and the first normal blitz was town!shiki

and iv was again mafia!shiki

so by the mighty pattern, i am town here!

Well damn, I’m convinced.

UNVOTE: shiki
VOTE: Little Green Wheels

[Umlaut]

Low-key townreading Cape for the sass.

[Umlaut]

Have there been any games where there were no scum slots assigned? Like everyone was town and didn't know it? I want to read that one.

It's been done, it's generally agreed that it's more fun for the mod than it is for the players.

[Umlaut]

It's a gut read. It's fine if you disagree. It will likely end up meaningless in the long term. But why should making a gut read you disagree with make me mafia?

You're saying 15 was an actual read and not just page 1 shitposting?

[Umlaut]

VOTE: Jacket

E-1. I like this wagon.

[Umlaut]

Yes, exactly that, I just like getting wagons going early.

This is a real vote though, I think you've read everything aimed in your direction as unduly serious in a way that suggests a scummy hypersensitivity.

[Umlaut]

Cape even more town for backing off on Jacket at a moment when it's a very defensible wagon to be on.

Shiki, explain why you think otherwise? Idgi.

[Umlaut]

Cape even more town for backing off on Jacket at a moment when it's a very defensible wagon to be on.

Shiki, explain why you think otherwise? Idgi.

i am having a very difficult time following their thought process as town

like it feels very a to f

like post is seemingly made for content production reasons, cape disagrees with it, which to cape means the forced content is more likely to be coming from mafia?

when asked about this though, cape says that all reads made on rvs posts are not good though,

and then after looker moves votes and it feels like waves are moving away from jacket,

it felt to me like cape was like, moving towards townreading jacket in what felt like a kinda forced progression to me, as the whole coalition approach that cape specifically cited as +town for jacket seemed pretty hmmmmm to me

I really don't agree that "waves are moving away from jacket" is a good description of the game state when Cape changed votes. Looker moved vote away but as far as I can tell it was just because they weren't ready for E-1, not because they were particularly townreading Jacket. I don't entirely understand that argument that they're town but I don't need to understand it exactly to see the vote change as, like, the opposite of opportunistic.

[Umlaut]

Is that why you aren't voting?

[Umlaut]

Hooray, Datisi is in the game!

VOTE: umlaut

Well, that's... disappointing.

[Umlaut]

Saying "Oh hey Umlaut is scummy," and then in the same post saying "okay I guess I don't want to murder him yet," and then just up and voting me anyway, is exactly the kind of madness that tells me Datisi is town though.

[Umlaut]

I want to say shiki is town.

I don't even really believe in my Jacket vote any more so much as I just don't really have any scumreads rn so have no reason to move it. Someone sell me on something.

I think umlaut's read on Datisi is kind of bad.

What's bad about it?

[Umlaut]

Actually

VOTE: Dorsey

Not impressed with their ISO, read on Shiki seems shallow and as Vanderscamp pointed out oddly rigid, and if I take 187 seriously I have to conclude they are not currently voting their top scumread. Particularly note their read on Vander: "I've only seen them protect Shiki and OMGUS me," followed by their read on Shiki: "I don't agree with everything the slot says, but I'm okay with believing for now that a slot wouldn't be so effusive if they didn't believe what they were saying." This former read looks like it's arguing for a Shiki-Vander team but the latter looks like they don't even believe that? This readlist does not show the sort of thought I expect from someone who actually means what they are saying.

[Umlaut]

A couple people saying my point(s) against Dorsey is/are good, which is nice, but a much cooler way to show agreement would be voting for them

[Umlaut]

Are people unvoting bugspray because they've decided the slot is town, or just out of some notion of "don't insta-wagon the replacement"?

[Umlaut]

First thing, you [Datisi] voted instantly i replaced, as saw me as easy target. Well fair.
Second, you not interested in me proving i am town, otherwise your approach would be other. You just interested in murdering me.

This first reason seems totally NAI to me. How is voting someone instantly on replace something scum are more likely than town to do?

Not really wild about the second reason either, where do you get this impression of "not interested in me proving I am town"? Is it just because of the instant vote that you think that? In which case this is just one reason stated twice.

[Umlaut]

I don't believe bugspray would tactically replace out to advance their slot's win condition, and if I did believe they had done that I would be reporting it to the site mods because it is blatantly against the rules. Whatever their reasons for replacing out, those reasons were genuine. That doesn't make it

impossible

to glean alignment information from it but Andante's approach to that in 351, of suggesting that they

made a show

of

seeming

to replace out because of Looker's posts, is hopelessly flawed.

[Umlaut]

Also, still happy with Dorsey yeet

[Umlaut]

Andante is someone not in this game, that was a mistake. Vanderscamp's approach, I mean.

[Umlaut]

Yeah, that hammer is... kind of sketchy. Not "kill it with fire" sketchy, but seems unnecessary. I'd have given Dorsey another chance to claim first since their last post didn't make clear they even understood they had intent on them.

[Umlaut]

Dorsey's complete lack of response to the hammer makes me think they flip red but I guess there's no point in speculating now, can just wait for the flip.

[Umlaut]

Hi, haven't read new posts yet

hm

kinda think jacket is most likely partner on red flip

due to pretty weird reads of eachother and complete lack of interaction between them in isos

but hammer kinda hm on its own

Jacket kill is a bit odd given this post, which I sort of agreed with at the time though didn't say it explicitly.

I was already at least leaning town on shiki and this makes me more confident in that, because I don't think she plants this idea in twilight and then just offs Jacket anyway. I can

maybe

envision some sort of 7d chess gambit where she does that

just

to make people like me think exactly what I am thinking, but in reality I just do not expect that sort of thing to happen much.

[Umlaut]

Umlaut, are you more impressed with bugspray's iso?

VOTE: bugspray

This was Dorsey's response to my case on them. I think this makes

bugspray

Enchant solid town. I just don't see scum!Dorsey being told their ISO is terrible and responding with "Sure, but have you considered that my partner's ISO is

also

terrible?"

[Umlaut]

Pretty sure it's just Looker, for lack of any other plausible options.

Maybe

Datisi but I've found his play pretty towny, particularly today: there is just no scum motivation for them as scum who didn't bus to come out with good arguments that scum was not busing. And as for Cape I don't believe he just sits there no-voting at end of day when his buddy is on the chopping block.

VOTE: Looker

[Umlaut]

Only players I haven't seen really criticized are bugspray and Cape (other than Looker's hate crime)

weren't people calling bugs scummy? and do you have an opinion on those players? (or like, anyone not named shiki)

I do, but I doubt it'll be helpful or I would have given it already. But here goes...
Vander...I've only seen them protect Shiki and OMGUS me
Jacket...I like them but didn't want to broadcast it because they said they townread me. I was trying to emulate their reaction testing with Shiki but I don't have as many posts.
Bug...Doesn't really say much. I know you said people were calling them scum, but I didn't see much reaction.
Cape...I don't see a really telling connection with anyone. (They had unvoted Jacket but Micc just didn't catch it - had to get that off my chest)
Wheels/Datisi...Please don't make another cult. LGW struck me as a background character and I don't know what made them leave.
Looker...Minimal iso with vote shifts. I'm biased towards this behavior because I do the same thing unless I'm replacing in and there's already content.
Shiki...I don't agree with everything the slot says, but I'm okay with believing for now that a slot wouldn't be so effusive if they didn't believe what they were saying.
Umlaut...Thought the E-1 was weird. Also leery of the pass given to Datisi for perceived contradiction or "madness", but I think that's just because I'm leery of Datisi.

Also if I kind of squint at this and let my confirmation bias run rampant then the 'read' on Looker is pretty weird and seems like excuse to townread them without claiming there's anything particularly towny about them (Dorsey is 'biased toward' players who... don't post much?)

[Umlaut]

Though to be fair all of those reads are pretty empty.

[Umlaut]

Pretty sure it's just Looker, for lack of any other plausible options.

Maybe

Datisi but I've found his play pretty towny, particularly today: there is just no scum motivation for them as scum who didn't bus to come out with good arguments that scum was not busing. And as for Cape I don't believe he just sits there no-voting at end of day when his buddy is on the chopping block.

VOTE: Looker

I am ngl to you, I just wasn't there. So argument against me is flawed

I think not being there is still kind of town at that point, in that you would be invested enough to make time to be there if your buddy was about to get offed on day 1.

[Umlaut]

Also, with Loyal Cop down, i consider:
1. We have roleblockers
2. There's no worthy TPR so we can skip claiming and blast everyone.

Hard disagree with #2, soft disagree with #1 (maybe there's a roleblocker but I wouldn't call it a foregone conclusion)

[Umlaut]

I really just can't see past Looker for last maf. Don't have anything I want to do today before a hammer, other than get a claim if we can.

[Umlaut]

Looker, given time left you should probably just claim now instead of waiting for intent

[Umlaut]

That's the most confusing scum PT I've ever seen.