secret hitler [7/7] (liberal victory!)

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I"ll do secret Hitler /in

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Memories of this game are slowly trickling back into me.

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okay I think I remember 1 4 being standard

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I recommend peta go VP

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i've never played before lol

you force the president to choose in the middle and keep moving one to the right until you suspect someone is tossing liberal policies.

When you have two people that contradict each other you vote "nein" on that pair.

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like, say a fascist policy gets played here, and vp and peta lie about who is responsible, we will just "nein" governments containing vp and peta for the rest of the game.

process of elimination.

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This is the board I think.

there are 6 liberal policies and 11 fascist policies in the dekc I think.

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Good shit. Now I'm going to go down the line choosing 5 as a chancellor. I suggest we skip the next government, 3 - 6, because Pooky had the sketch vote and 1 - 4 passed liberal.

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5 andante

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vp claims the cards i gave him first

take andante as chancellor

yeah I forgot, we need to do claims too

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Good shit. Now I'm going to go down the line choosing 5 as a chancellor. I suggest we skip the next government, 3 - 6, because Pooky had the sketch vote and 1 - 4 passed liberal.

Idk i'm not that familiar with secret hitler but it seems unwise to flip random instead of including ppl and getting more info and stuff

It's possible I'm mistaking something, I'm going off of the meta I remember from the high rated players on secrethitler.io when I was active there a few years back.

I'm remembering they forced random until they found slots that were sketch, and then skipped the sketch slots judiciously.

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i trashed one fascist card and passed one fascist and one liberal to andante

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now I think we nein, then have vp go back to slot 1.

Vp why the weird vote though?

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now I think we just keep cycling 1-4 and 2-5 as long as we keep playing libs

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I appreciate the vote of confidence, the most recent government can't be elected again though. I think it doesn't matter who you pick dragon, we should all vote nein and let 4-1 have a go since they played lib the first time.

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Good shit. Now I'm going to go down the line choosing 5 as a chancellor. I suggest we skip the next government, 3 - 6, because Pooky had the sketch vote and 1 - 4 passed liberal.

Idk i'm not that familiar with secret hitler but it seems unwise to flip random instead of including ppl and getting more info and stuff

It's possible I'm mistaking something, I'm going off of the meta I remember from the high rated players on secrethitler.io when I was active there a few years back.

I'm remembering they forced random until they found slots that were sketch, and then skipped the sketch slots judiciously.

yeah i mean you skip sketch slots i think, but i don't understand how you find sketch slots if you flip random? unless you're meant to do actual reading like a mafia game, which is not what I signed up for tbh (but really i think the mechanic stuff is more reliable?)

Like pooky with the weird votes is sketch, if the 1-4 or 2-5 play a fasc then that pair is sketch.

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oh nein this government, ja vp -peta on the next one.

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is there any reason not to go for adante pres?

I'm voting going for vp and andante as pres since they played lib

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Okay FYI I'm trying to think ahead a little bit and remember the strategy for the middle game.

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lol

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okay that's a sketch pick, it messes with the pairs

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vp needs to go back to 1 because 1 passed him a lib the first time.

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and it lets andante because non-term limited on the next round, so he can go back to me since I passed him a lib.

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VP is slowly entering my sketch radar, why does he not want to run it back with peta?

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VP also voted nein along with Pooky on the frog -andante gov when we passed lib.

VP looking sketch now.

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I'm going to vote Ja anyway, but they better pass lib.

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what does the election tracker 1/3 mean?

When it hits 3/3 the top card in the deck gets played automatically, which is usually good for fascist because the top card is usually fascist, and if there is a special ability when the top card gets played, the special ability gets lost.

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I vote nein if you nominate pooky

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i vote nein if you nominate anyone but me, because i passed u a lib, so it's sketch if u start looking in the randos

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that's sketch

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andante prob fascist

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vp is hitler

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I'm going to vote ja, because pooky voted nein when andante was being sketch, and vp voted ja when andante was being sketch and had a weird vote earlier, so right now I only trust 1 to be in government, and that's not enough trustworthy people, so i want to see if pooky can be trusted.

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maybe it is andante

i think it's andante, vp and toad, vp is hitler.

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dragons what's up dude are you fasc ?

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people think I'm sus?? bruh what... Pooky was saying no to everyone, I figured he'd say yes to himself.. didn't realize that was such a controversial thought...

why did you say frog was being sus

because he's fasc and panicking IMO

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nah hell no. nein this, put one fasc down off the top. Then peta or I can put the second fasc down to get a report on VP or andante. I think between VP and andante, some liberal policies have been trashed, so the deck is mostly fasc left anyway.

I rescind my earlier read by the way that VP is hitler, I think vp is fasc and andante is hitler, because VP was signaling to Andante when VP tried to nominate him that one time.

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why the fuck did the libs vote ja on that? are you guys insane?

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yeah its bad because now you can't give me the report, peta. so we have to guess who we trust now to get the report.

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who do i nominate here

I'm thinking go with pooky here, because VP, andante and toad all neined pooky - me earlier.

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I think toad buried at least one lib, and either vp or andante buried one earlier as well. I want peta to go with pooky for the chancellor, because pooky is probably going to end up playing red, and whoever plays a red next gets to use the investigate.

I want andante to be investigated, because I think i saw both vp and toad try to signal to andante.

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I think toad buried at least one lib, and either vp or andante buried one earlier as well. I want peta to go with pooky for the chancellor, because pooky is probably going to end up playing red, and whoever plays a red next gets to use the investigate.

I want andante to be investigated, because I think i saw both vp and toad try to signal to andante.

prez gets the investigation, not th chancellor, and i'm obv good

anyone voting nein is voting against me getting a cop report

that's even better then

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i dunno what i'm doing i'm just listening to frog

is that why you voted ja on the toad - frog gov?

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I say investigate andante prob, most likely to be hitler IMO.

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I'm posting this again

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I say investigate andante prob, most likely to be hitler IMO.

she can't have been the one tossing tiles though

says who?

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I don't know about the card counting, but my read based on the ingame behavior is that toad and vp are fasc and they both have tried to signal to andante to let andante know they are fasc.

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I say investigate andante prob, most likely to be hitler IMO.

she can't have been the one tossing tiles though

says who?

she was literrally your chancellor dude

okay. my read on the game is that andante is the hitler, but that's far from mechanically based.

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okay, so pooky, dragon, and one other dude are my libs.

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I'm taking a look at the table order real quick.

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if dragon and pooky trust me, i can go 2 - 3 into dragon to reset pooky, then we nein VP and andante, and give the pres back to pooky.

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they might both be scum

i didn't even think about this yikes

dragon i was wrong about peta too. i am a lib, peta is fascist. peta faked the guilty on me because he didn't want me to get voted into pres.

it's risky to vote ja into the 1 v 1, but it is also high reward.

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so 2 of me/vpb/peta/frog are liars right? fmpov either this is a gambit or i cant trust vpb

anda + pooky i think i can probably trust, std seems more likely to be fasc than either

why do you trust andante?

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peta definitely passed two liberal policies. Only way he lied twice is if he's hitler.

this isn't true, he could have drawn 2 lib and had to pass one anyway, and he lied about it to frame the players farther down the line.

there is no way IMO peta is hitler because he just sacrificed all of his lib cred to try and keep me out of government.

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so 2 of me/vpb/peta/frog are liars right? fmpov either this is a gambit or i cant trust vpb

anda + pooky i think i can probably trust, std seems more likely to be fasc than either

why do you trust andante?

she seems genuine, and a lot of people were calling her fasc for nominating pooky over you iirc, which now seems like a good call since pooky looks liberal and you're in a 1v1

you dont think andante was intending to frame pooky?

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andante, toad, and VP were all voting together earlier. whichever one of you was the lib, what was your reason for voting with the other two?

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i guess my gov isn't going to get passed anyway. of the players i can nominate im most sure at the moment that dragon is lib. im leaning toward toad being a lib as well but im not as sure on that one.

if you're a lib please vote this

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nominate dragon

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i'm down for testing out std i guess!

i dunno what to do lol

it's possible lib team is you two, me, and pooky

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vote no we're freezing out frog/peta as one of them is guranteed fascist, we r playing 3v2 in the smaller pool

this is best play unless you guys have a big read on me as lib

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i guess my gov isn't going to get passed anyway. of the players i can nominate im most sure at the moment that dragon is lib. im leaning toward toad being a lib as well but im not as sure on that one.

if you're a lib please vote this

Sorry I think play is usually to vote outside the 1v1

it's fair that's best play

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i trust peta more than you tbh he's at least displayed thoughts about alignment while you're just following a mech playbook which is trivially easy to fake but peta is a master fucking scumplayer so i can never trust him at his word

yeah peta has you in the pocket, your current assessment within the 1v1 is wrong

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TBH guys I think andante is hitler

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I think VP is lib. I think peta, toad are fasc, with andante hitler.

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I kind of want to just nein all the govs, let it go back all the way to dragon, and then if andante gets passed lib and doesn't play it, dragon knows andante is hitler and can shoot him.

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this is risky because i dont think both vp and andante are lib, i think it's just one, so i dont really want to give the vp the "choose pres" ability.

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if fasc is passed, pres gets bullet?

not yet, they get the "make anyone next president" ability.

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this is risky because i dont think both vp and andante are lib, i think it's just one, so i dont really want to give the vp the "choose pres" ability.

lol ok his means we're both lib

lol it's comments like these that make me think you're hitler

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VP is fascist for sure guys, only way he gets voted in there.

nein whoever he choosees for next president

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yeah toad you are liberal aren't you. you were framed with the three fascist draw, peta and VP had already been dumping the deck.

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at the moment im kind of feeling andante or pooky are hitler and VP is just fascist with peta, and in the first way through the deck, before it reached toad's turn they both drew 2L 1F and dumped one. that's why therre were 6 ja's on toad - frog.

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i have played irl a lot but never played forum wise i am quickly reading up

VP is fasc for sure, peta and I are in a 1v1, hitler is between your slot and andante.

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I'm pretty sure dragons slot and toad's slot are both lib, slightly less sure about toad.

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i mean andante got two liberals so far so it seems likely they're liberal

if you're not hitler then andante is IMO.

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I'm going to nein this because VP chose it LOL

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I'm going to nein this because VP chose it LOL

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if you're a lib nein this IMO, VP getting elected as pres somehow and then drawing "three fasc" is sketch

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George if you're the other lib, andante has a high chance to be hitler FMPOV, dont be fooled by the two lib cards they played, i dont want fascs to get control of the gun.

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Lol @ Peta voting nein.

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yeah... so I'm shooting in peta/frogs

I don't think this is best because it's unlikely peta is hitler.

also for some reason both sides of our 1v1 just voted against you, not sure what to make of that.

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dont listen to VP lol, theres no way peta is hitler.

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George, why did you vote no for me and dragons? after saying I was "probably lib"

andante if you're really a lib, then my read for hitler is the pooky slot.

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Shoot Peta

nice shot dude

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yeah, VP used the special nazi power on you.

I'm going to vote ja for you now since you just shot my counter claim.

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uhh this looks kind of sketch to me now.

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oh shoot lol I hope that's not hitler

yeah there's a chance vp is hitler and that's why he gave you the pres. I dont know about this pick. Can libs win now just by neining the deck?

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it still has to get passed

no, if there are a bunch of lib left in the deck we can just nein all the govnerments and eventually the last lib card we need will get flipped.

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I don't know about this pick because peta helped vote VP into pres the first time if I'm not mistaken.

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Also if both peta and I were fascists, we wouldn't have passed liberal policies twice LOL

thios isnt true

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okay looks like it was toad/george/peta

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literally doesn't matter who george noms, if you Ja that, that is claiming fasc

we probably just lost tbh. that was our chance. We need to get you and dragon back in there probably.

how the hell did you just lose unless your fasc

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nom The toad

LOL

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literally doesn't matter who george noms, if you Ja that, that is claiming fasc

we probably just lost tbh. that was our chance. We need to get you and dragon back in there probably.

how the hell did you just lose unless your fasc

because george is probably fash and going to nominate a fascist. only hope is if george is hitler I guess?

why would george get passed?

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objective lib--> fash rankings:

andante
VP
dragon
frog
george
toad

you know i pushed through at least one lib card too right lmao

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toad can if they want to but im not ja ing it

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I nein frog and george

seriously?

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if we are fucked on cards and pass this, where does that leave us frog?

Didn't two of me/peta/you/toad need to have lied earlier to get the results that we did?

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if we are fucked on cards and pass this, where does that leave us frog?

Didn't two of me/peta/you/toad need to have lied earlier to get the results that we did?

I think we have less chances of winning if we nominate toad here than if we pass and hope there is another lib.

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my only thing is peta said frogs bad...

yeah dude peta and i were in a 1v1, i dont know how u realized peta was lying, but u already chose correct and unless he was bussing me im a lib

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if we are fucked on cards and pass this, where does that leave us frog?

nom hitler and lose.... we play a fasc card... does toad get to shoot?

oh shit, does he?

idk I know like nothing about this, the thing says 2/3 so do we get another chance to say no?

yeah, we say no now and the fascists get another policy, so it will be 5/6 for them.

I just don't know how the execute and shit works.

he doesn't get the execute when the top card is flipped from 2/3.

The top card also has a chance to be a lib.

Toad doesn't get a chance to shoot or remove any more cards from the deck this way.

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passing toad is not good I don't think

dude, VOTING TOAD IN gives us virtually no chance to win, they get to shoot, and discard a lib from the top of the deck.

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NO GETS THE SHOT
IF WE VOTE NEIN

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WE VOTE NEIN, THEN ITS A TOP DECK, THEN TERMS RESET, THEN LIBS GET ONE MORE CHANCE TO BE IN GOVERNMENT

ITS GOOD ODDS

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LIBS VOTE NEIN, WE GET A CHANCE TO WIN OFF THE FLIP, THEN I WILL CHOOSE VP AS CHANCELLOR, AND WE GET ANOTHER CHANCE TO WIN OFF OF THOSE TOP THREE.

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ok, if I'm reading the rules right, the shot only happens if a fascist policy is enacted.

that's going to happen by default if we vote no isn't it?

no not when it's top decked.

because no one will be elected president at the time the policy is enacted.

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ok, if I'm reading the rules right, the shot only happens if a fascist policy is enacted.

that's going to happen by default if we vote no isn't it?

no not when it's top decked.

because no one will be elected president at the time the policy is enacted.

no one will be elected president at the time it gets played. no one will get the shot. libs get one more chance in gov to look at the top three.

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LIBS VOTE NEIN, WE GET A CHANCE TO WIN OFF THE FLIP, THEN I WILL CHOOSE VP AS CHANCELLOR, AND WE GET ANOTHER CHANCE TO WIN OFF OF THOSE TOP THREE.

so VP isn't allowed to be my chancellor but is allowed to be your chancelor?

i was paranoid and wanted to see where the fascists voted.

there were four votes against it so i trust VP now.

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congratulations to our liberals:

frogsterking

,

vp baltar

,

andante

, and

georgebailey

!

condolences to our facists

petapan

and

save the dragons

, and to our hitler

the toad

!

thank you everyone for playing, and special thanks to george for subbing in! i'll probably be running this again tomorrow if you'd like to play again.

YES!!!

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Thank you Datisi!

I kinda lagged behind trying to catch up but it was fun!

LOL Poor George the liberal "someone is about to get a shot and everyone thinks I'm hitler"

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I like really trusted peta at the start, it started getting iffy with frogs interactions lol

what was it that made you change your mind? when i said pooky is my hitler read in case you're the lib?

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woooo.

Dragons was fascist! I feel like there was a goof in there?

and fuck yes I called hitler!

the goof may also have been on peta's part since dragons was the one getting skipped for most of the game. it's possible peta made a mistake faking a guilty instead of waiting for the stronger power ups or an opportunity to push for toad to get the chancellor.

it is half past 2 am, i have a headache, i will go pass out now

thanks for hosting this datisi!!!

Thank you for hosting Datisi! I forgot about how challenging and fun this game is.

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I like really trusted peta at the start, it started getting iffy with frogs interactions lol

what was it that made you change your mind? when i said pooky is my hitler read in case you're the lib?

it was like, the way Peta asked VP for pres, and with my shot didn't act like he had frogs as maf or whatever like yeah idk, at the end there I was highly doubting if I shot right lol

i feel like i was barely even given a chance to speak there, not like i was asking for frogs to be shot

fair point on the asking for prees though - i absolutely got greedy there, like i said

Peta what did you toss this game?

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voting results

the government of president

pooky

and chancellor

frogsterking

FAILS!

JA (3/7)

1. frogsterking
   
2. petapan
   
3. pooky

NEIN (4/7)

1. the toad
   
2. andante
   
3. save the dragons
   
4. vp baltar

election tracker: 2/3

the toad is the presidential candidate and must nominate a chancellor.

deadline: xx:40

voting results

the government of president

frogsterking

and chancellor

save the dragons

FAILS!

JA (1/7)

1. frogsterking

NEIN (6/7)

1. save the dragons
   
2. petapan
   
3. andante
   
4. the toad
   
5. vp baltar
   
6. pooky

election tracker: 1/3

save the dragons is the presidential candidate and must nominate a chancellor.

deadline: xx:25

i'm running to the bathroom, brb

Now I'm curious what the idea was behind some of the votes

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voting results

the government of president

save the dragons

and chancellor

andante

PASSES!

JA (7/7)

1. petapan
   
2. vp baltar
   
3. andante
   
4. the toad
   
5. pooky
   
6. save the dragons
   
7. frogsterking

NEIN (0/7)

election tracker: 1/3

I guess I jumped to the conclusion here that it was andante fascists wanted, I overlooked that it could have been Save the Dragon who was responsible for this combo receiving unanimous support.