MT 2263: Web of Lies - Game Over

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Hiaa house! hi dunn! hi LLD! (hi A50 luke) hi enchanttt (hi bell hi taly/cupcake hi again stephen hi grandpa hi flea)

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What's up everyone

I'm a miller

bust out laughing

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i feel bad for those not living on dranlon street and/or whichever other hood it is that had the action

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VOTE: Flea

to summarize Dranlon, I think I got in a mini shitfight with at least two other members in there on just the first day and im very embarrassed about it

And Flea/Cupcake never showed up for it

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Oh and Luke is likely town, not that I needed to say that i think he's probably done enough himself in every other hood if dranlon is any indication

Bell came out strong in dranlon as well which is a good sign. I think he's also the only person I didn't argue with

sooooooooooo yeah

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Hiaa house! hi dunn! hi LLD! (hi A50 luke) hi enchanttt (hi bell hi taly/cupcake hi again stephen hi grandpa hi flea)

Always a pleasure!

Lukewarm thinks/thought you're scum. Say it ain't so!

does he still think that? I thought he was more ambivalent about it after Bell pointed something out about the role pm confirmations

We definitely argued about something on the first 2 or 3 pages though

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In my interpretation I wouldn't go after any of the inhabitants of my hood I talked to (Luke/Bell/Grandpa). I'm a lot more sure about Luke than I am about Bell, and I'm a lot more sure on Bell than Grandpa. Grandpa I quite frankly dont know actually

And the other two didn't play at all! It's a shame cuz we got like 7 pages done just ourselves

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i feel bad for those not living on dranlon street and/or whichever other hood it is that had the action

If you're only in one hood, how do you not know its name??

I'm in dranlon

i have no idea which other hood has the action i just know that i think luke and like.. isn't it you that spoke about it?

You literally are the one who told me it was lively

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Shouldn't you be accusing me if I

DID

know the hood's name? I don't know it because I'm not in it

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Why is it everytime I open my mouth someone accusing me about the neighbourhood shit

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Why is it everytime I open my mouth someone accuses* me about the neighbourhood shit

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Oh so I just can't talk, that sounds about normal actually carry on

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lmfao

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that made me exhale kinda hard

pedit: That's an appearances thing to answer a question like that

i only bother with appearances when im scum

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i actually got my ass chewed out for not answering grandpas question earlier

he asked me if i was scared. i didnt respond. needless to say, i got in trouble

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that made me exhale kinda hard

pedit: That's an appearances thing to answer a question like that

i only bother with appearances when im scum

I don't care what others think of appearances and how things should look.

You should know that from our last game together. :P

believe me im well aware hahahahaha

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I'll raise you a better question -- what did I say that made you think I was scared?

....is what I said to grandpa

(worst mistake of my life)

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(that wasn't word for word obviously that's just my recollection of what i said)

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YES! THATS WHAT HE SAID

And then I said something like

Well if I was scared, I wouldn't tell you I'm scared. So it's a bad question. What is more interesting is hearing what post made you think I'm scared?

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LOL LUKE

I wasn't sure whether to be in disbelief and scared that House said the exact same thing

Or if I should have been surprised that I was surprised (Since House and I already more or less did this routine one of our others games)

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YES! THATS WHAT HE SAID

I know. He told me in the scum pt and I was like, " how bad would she freak out if I said the same thing?"

Clearly, the answer is, "Very much!"

i felt probably in the upper ranges of 100 emotions at once

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Apparently everyone else in this game hates agriculture.

I am in a hood by my self x.x

The farmers market is my notes pt now apparently

Realizing that this means that there are now 3 populated hoods that I am in, and 3 populated hoods that I am not in.

And that every single player in this game is in a hood with me, and in a hood without me.

And now everyone can talk about me behind my back :oops: :oops:

you're thinking about it wrong -- you can talk behind everyone ELSE'S backs

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niiiiiice going, House

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niiiiiice going, House

What good is a game is you can't have a little fun? :P

This is true. infact I'd argue these are the most fun parts

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gang up on dunn party

gang up on dunn party

Hi Dunn

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To be fair its a low bar to have townread someone *ever*

Why are you surprised that Dunn has townread you in the past?

Regarding bell i think they're stronger at town and it tends to show

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Didn't you ask for Dunn to provide examples??

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I pretty much agree with all of what LLD wrote there, i don't think it's reasonable to put a scum role in every thread as a talker but I do think it would be reasonable if they could merely listen

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Oh god we're having a hood TMI argument. Have fun

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What?

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Oh you mean...

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steph why would you ask for them to crumb I am nearly certain their role pm aludes them to

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like idk about you but now every player in the game is looking for mason crumbs

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Actually it might be better to use our seeking action as a weak cop instead of actually looking for our lost third mason so maybe don't crumb to us

you're discussing this with the main thread why

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I'm not using the hoods much because i dont value them

Being mod-confirmed as town to each other is very different

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I should be annoyed or frustrated that you outted us cause the whole strength of a mason is in mafia not knowing

but i got all my emotions out today already so i just kinda want to know why you're doing this

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I was there yesterday just not today

I was busy

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Also you revealed us in your first post to be fair

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I thought i didnt have to tell you not to do that so i didnt mention it

I have never heard of masons claiming instantly like ever

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Ok but like we coulda talked about it in such a way that doesnt reveal both of us

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You don't have to reveal a masonry to crumb weak

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I responded to everything you had during pregame ????

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I haven't been around to play during the actual main thread

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It's a bit

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I double checked to make sure I'm not actually a mason though and didn't realize

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I am just as confused as you probably more

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We're totally not masons

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Nice.

Well used page guys

You are quite welcome Luke

So would Steph or anyone else like to tell me what's going on I combed through all of the hoods I'm ignoring and got no answers

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I'm not 100% that forcing them to drop that was beneficial to us

Yeah that was a real buzzkill on LLD's part

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You know, I'd be lying if I said I haven't immediately done a fake mason claim gambit with someone I've never played mafia with before (to my knowledge)

i've done it at least one other time now that I think about it i think

It's just as bewildering this time as it was then

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I'm not 100% that forcing them to drop that was beneficial to us

I don't trust that both those slots are town and I DOUBLE don't trust that there's not a JANITOR in this weird game called WEB OF LIES.

I refuse to be on the receiving end of my own gambit from that other game.

Well no if it were a scum versus scum gambit I just wouldn't have dropped it. So you more or less were just fun ruining me in the town scenario :(

It's okay though I think one page used up is reasonable enough. More might have been too much

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I'm not 100% that forcing them to drop that was beneficial to us

Yeah that was a real buzzkill on LLD's part

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic but if you aren't know that I'm withholding about 40 different swear words relating to how fucked my day has been and not having time for this nonsense and playing slow fundemental basketball (which will include a steven a smith joke) and refusing to deal with nonsense gambits that could lose us the game RN.

I'm going to be real with you

This game is an outlet to try and have fun

Losing it due to a silly page 10 day 1 gambit is really the last of my concerns today and probably yours too

Like even worst case if I threw the game doing that somehow, it's still a game and not worth lobbing insults at all

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I'm not 100% that forcing them to drop that was beneficial to us

Yeah that was a real buzzkill on LLD's part

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic but if you aren't know that I'm withholding about 40 different swear words relating to how fucked my day has been and not having time for this nonsense and playing slow fundemental basketball (which will include a steven a smith joke) and refusing to deal with nonsense gambits that could lose us the game RN.

I'm going to be real with you

This game is an outlet to try and have fun

Losing it due to a silly page 10 day 1 gambit is really the last of my concerns today and probably yours too

Like even worst case if I threw the game doing that somehow, it's still a game and not worth lobbing insults at all

I would argue that I felt pretty insulted by "buzzkill" but go off I guess?

It was not my intention for it to be insulting, my apologies then. It was meant to express that I was disappointed.

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the gambit I'm referring to was a game where i as scum convinced a townie to claim masons with me, shot him with a janitor kill and rode the town cred of being a alive confirmed mason as a result to the end game.

Nvm thought u were talkin about an SvS gambit not a SvT one

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LLD I don't think it was unreasonable to stop the gambit I'm just trying to express that now it's over I'm having less fun

It really didn't cross my mind why you were stopping it, I have no idea what happened earlier in game to cause any of this and I didn't mean to be insulting

It was fun though Steph so I appreciate it though lol

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I guess that's probably my bad for not keeping my mind on the game enough.

The conclusions so far are all mostly pretty obvious (Basically Luke for most part. House/Bell/someone else being all more likely town is good too) and have been talked about enough

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im sorry

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Lol what

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I did!! I've gotten into an argument every time I've opened my dumbass mouth! It's making me think I'm the problem

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Did you just cast a curse on Malcolm with that weird spoiler thing?

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WHEN DUNN DID IT I ACTUALLY BECame convinced for a split moment it meant something hahahahaha

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if I were acum I woulda suggested all three scum same hood

But that's just cause I dont value hoods as much as value other people's opinions on the worth of hoods

I think you're right and them picking different careers makes most sense though. Cept agriculture I guess

UNVOTE: so nobody thinks I'm taking a side yet

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Why did you all pick your job hoods, then? Why not just ask that?

I tried to pick IT first, but them I chose entertainment because I work at an arcade which is sort of entertainment. not like show biz but it's more like recreational party type entertainment

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I dont think they can quite tell us cause private industry secret and all that

Also I'm seriously interested about asking for why people picked their careers but I'm not gonna hound anyone for answers either

Basically just wanted to see if anything useful can come of this. aside from maybe 1 scum but there's enough ppl on the case for that

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also

3) Which career do you wish to pursue? (Entertainment, Education, Industrial work, or Agriculture.) (This is a pregame choice and not related to your role.)


it's not clear from this at all this choice gives me a hood to go to, I thought it was just some random question the mod threw in their for fun

This is true. Maybe that's a good argument for scum picking all three different options to cover their bases?

Since its unclear what it's for

I thought it was a legit fucking question about your job but I figure most people didn't think that

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Maybe Tweet is scum those Bat Ears are looking Susp

you claimed masons with me immediately -- we're past distancing now

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I'm likely to get nightkilled after Malcolm goes down in flames so I have to get my Tweet accusations in before nightfall

Oh my I didnt realize how crucial each passing minute was at this point

In that case do what u gotta do

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*points at Lukewarm* change your mind before you die tonight.
I have a long history of fooling you and I tend to town bin you as scum so I get why you would be suspicious. But I think you should recognize that you’re very obvious town and so, as town. I would town bin you too.

Why is this written like I have encountered scum Bell more then exactly once? Lol

it's written like hes the joker and youre batman, literal archnemesi for life

and that you've done this dance numerous times

so now I'm disappointed thats not the case

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Bell wins one game as scum and suddenly he's the Joker.

LMFAO its true though

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Well is it a secret read when you go out and say it like that?

So I read a bunch

Dunn is stiff yeah

He is continuing to make comments like in the exact same vein as the ones he's getting in trouble for (Slightly too obvious, sort of scummy comments that sort of seem like scum watching TvT from the outside). like people point it out and he keeps doing it rather than changing it up at all.

im not really sure if that's an indication Dunn just likes to keep it real as town and doesnt care about our dumb opinions, or if he's just i guess scum for continuously making sort of scummy comments

Sorry industry/inventor, mixed up, so many.

Why would you fake a guilty on yourself when you were already being suspected for your predecessors neighborhood posts?

it sounds like he's talking to a buddy cause it's got a little tone of frustration/confusion. Whether or not Dunn is actually talking to a buddy idk but the post comes off as one that sounds bad

I don't recall posturing being a part of town Bell's playbook

And the Bell read has felt like a meme this game more than an actual read

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Like if Dunn and I played alike I'd say he's town hands down because the comments show a lack of really caring about why he's being scumread, cause he keeps saying the same things that get him in trouble!

But we don't really and it's been a while so i can't really say. have i said anything that helped someone else yet maybe though?

When it comes to Malcolm i kiiiiind of just buy into the idea that scum would probably just sent one of each into each chat. I kinda doubt Malcolm legit scumslipped but I havent really read into the meat of that

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The read isn't about Malcom, it only relates to "if Malcolm is scum... Then... x"

So it's more of an open secret. I guess town shouldn't hide things from each other for long anyway

If you combine Luke/House/Bell/me (≧ᗢ≦) ♡/maybe Steph/maybe you/Flea (since ya know) all being town.. then factor in scum maybe putting 1 scum in each hood, and then factor in Malcolm being a lil shady,

it's seeming like there's pretty decent odds on Malcolm. If I named only town up there somehow, then that would make Malcolm/Dunn/A50/Enchant/Grandpa/Cupcake the only people on the outside which is like a 50% chance narrowed down at this point

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Fine fuck it I'll just say it.

I poked house about his argument because I also felt Malcom/PA were scummy (but was not as certain of it?) And felt their reasoning was bad and concerning

So my secret read is House was setting up a bus on Malcom.

House has an argument against Malcolm? All i found is

Dunn, have you and Malcolm gotten acquainted in the scum pt yet?

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(My vote is on Malcolm in spirit)

That was the thought I had when I wrote that post. The thing I didn't want to say so I didn't poison the well of answers.

I had a strong feeling of House bussing Malcom if Malcom was inderd scum.

I agree, let us eliminate House tomorrow

Dunn why are you playing like scum

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Huh? Are you saying Malcolm is a counter to himself?

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dat was an accident he meant to vote for malcolm look at his next post

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also look at the content of the post u quoted he's clearly indicating malcolm

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I did!! I've gotten into an argument every time I've opened my dumbass mouth! It's making me think I'm the problem

Don't be silly. You're awesome.

Keep me in your pocket, it's warm & fuzzy.

(〃ω〃) i love bein fuzzy

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dat was an accident he meant to vote for malcolm look at his next post

He knows. He knows what he is doing.

I'm not convinced after our last game we played lol

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I also think it makes sense for each of the other job pts to have 1 scum in them.

Like, I would have expected the scum team to purposefully submit three different careers, and that one only had flea and Malcolm

The fact there's only one player in Agriculture suggests either that Lukewarm is scum OR scum have a PT Spy and doesn't need to be listed in hoods to read them.

There are four neighbourhoods and three scum house

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House does an excellent job at getting people to post.

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also look at the content of the post u quoted he's clearly indicating malcolm

Context is overrated.

I'll see what I want, tyvm.

LMFAO

you sound like my mate when he's explaining why im wrong in an argument (he's almost always wrong as a result)

man that's funny he says that every time

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Ah, okay.

I'm beginning to understand the game finally I think

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MT can be good scum tho. Which is why I hesitate even though I feel they’re largely following their town meta.

My primary hesitation about her is that she only has me as "likely" town when she came in like gangbusters and prevented my mislim in a game we both repped into where I was downright apathetic/nihilistic at being the designated, game losing mislim when she came into the game shortly after I did.

She was in fucking hero mode that game.

Here, I have less of a townread? /grudge

Other than that, I guess I'm biased against scumreading her because of her ability to actually find me as town where 99% of other players just read superficially.

Well you were bleeding town in that game and no one seemed to think so

That, and also I replaced into that game after a few phases. This is D1 and im not even in a hood w/ you. I replace into games when I want to pretend I'm a hero detective. I tend to join games at the beginning to help moderators more than anything else

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Maybe it is Enchant, House -- but i do like this post. i might be inclined to start with Cupcake

UNVOTE:

I have not digested the game in full but it sounds like Malcolm scumslipped?

I should pay more attention to the game right now but my ADHD-like symptoms have been very prominent today. Mafia does not help that, and sometimes worsens it.

"Unvote on scumread when he is not even in danger of elim"

Classic

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MT can be good scum tho. Which is why I hesitate even though I feel they’re largely following their town meta.

Have I ever played scum in a game w/ you? I can't remember ever playing a town game w/ you when you weren't on my team

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MT can be good scum tho. Which is why I hesitate even though I feel they’re largely following their town meta.

Have I ever played scum in a game w/ you? I can't remember ever playing a town game w/ you when you weren't on my team

Actually not quite, I'm pretty sure I played against scum!you once. Maybe there was a hydra game I'm forgetting somewhere.

pedit: Maybe, could be scum's only chance at this point. But in any case I think I suspect it's Cupcake!scum Enchant!town or both scum

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Dunn feels so weird this game too i mostly dont get where his reads are coming from. they either have felt like memes or grasping a little

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That would be so much more interesting

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VOTE: Malcolm

Arent' i hammered already

Then what two more

This comes off like Enchant thought Malcolm already had an extra surplus of votes so it didn't matter ?

Do I have that correct Enchant?

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Oh no not "Isn't it hammered already", I think he meant "Didn't I hammer already"

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Enchant knew he hammered and wanted to know what Bell meant by needing 2 more (scum to win).

Ah I see. So it's possible Enchant just has reads that are too good (Malcolm, Cupcake possibly) cause scum

Enchant is kinda a god at the game though I feel like I've asked myself this question before. I guess Enchant was a mason that time but still

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I knew it was hammer if you about it

Why'd you hammer out of nowhere?

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So you're not worried about Malcolm claiming or anything?

pedit: I've had the thought that Enchant is very good at the game the majority of times we've played so it must mean something!

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You caught on to a technicality in that one Marvel... lady setup which allowed you to turn a loss for your scumteam into a joint win -- I was really impressed then. It was so subtle and such a good move it made my slot's predecessor think it wasn't allowed (which i did find a bit baffling but still the point im trying to make is I was impressed)

and also in that one dead silence i just remember brilliance but just the feeling because i dont remember that game's contents

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I'd be more suspicious of Enchant if Malcolm weren't as likely red as he is

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Because in a way since Malcolm flipping scum feels agiven it sort of brings out a sense of not caring as much as town (especially about waiting for claim)

You could argue that Malcolm's also so obvious scum that Enchant feels the need to bus. Which is possible. Dunno which

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Beef means a stronger, lingering problem someone has or two people have with each other -- that sort of thing. It's slang

I'd be more suspicious of Enchant if Malcolm weren't as likely red as he is

Malcolm going down was a foregone conclusion. I was basically baiting Bell to E-2 so I could do exactly what Enchant did.

But it's suspicious when Enchant does it

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my goals as scum are beyond comprehension

in reality I would probably be pretty ticked off about the whole unluckiness of the scumslip thing and the last thing I'd care to talk abt is what u read Enchant as rn

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I didnt even know steph had a pr. Which hood did he reveal that?

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I'll come back later.

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So am I innocent now?

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Okay, so Morning Tweet is not in another PT outside of the ones that I am in.

ty

Okay, so Morning Tweet is not in another PT outside of the ones that I am in.

VOTE: StrangeMatter

Easiest vote ever MT and I are in a PT she neighborized me

what

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Hmm ok so SM and Morning are now mech clear i think. barring some guilty, that should be right.
Dunn is very town.

A tier lower is everyone in the neighborhood i made.

And the rest make up the poe~

I'm clear

SM is not clear they are the investigative

Additionally, MathBlade, Noraa, and (basically Flea 99) are all clear

so

1: MathBlade - clear
3: Dunnstral - ?
4: Lady Lambdadelta - ?
6: Lukewarm - likely town
7: Enchant - ?
8: Bell - slight lean town
9: StrangeMatter - claimed cop with innocent result on Morning
11: Morning Tweet - clear
12: Noraa - clear
13: Flea The Magician - clear

pedit: oh

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Unless SM is clear and i missed something lol

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I think it's like 75% scum no kills so one of them can try to claim a PR

25% scum tried to kill one of the clears and got unlucky

I guess that is the only two options but still

The reason I lean the first is because scum is dead this game without gaining a locktown player pretty sure with all the clears

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Also there are so many clears it seems a bit unlikely scum goes for the exact same one a protective picks

Also also we have way too much power now wtf

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- Dead town can speak forever if they're in a created hood
- Town can speak during night
- Town Loud Backup Modified Traffic Analyst Neighbor (Stephen)
- an average of 2.5ish neighbourizers for town
- a limited cop of sorts (Strange)

MB, question.
Why didn't you share LLD's full claim in the mass neighborhood?
Your entire PoE was in the thread LLD posted their role in.
So why deny the town information?

Are u talkin to me?

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Oh nvm

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OH MATHBLADE im going to cry. my last braincell finally passed away

Lmfao

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It's okay Noraa i have roughly the same amount of brain cells apparently

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I've pretty much never played in a game where scum intentionally no killed.

I feel like i see it all the friggin time

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It's more common for experienced scum players to do since sometimes not killing anybody is just more valuable if it positively affects your members

especially in a game where killing me, or Noraa, or Mathblade, or Flea does not really that much to help scum at all. They are going to have to do better i think

Course

maybe not and it is a PR. I dunno yet

But I agree with Noraa I think nokill is a bit more likely

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My strongest evidence is I feel town is way too stacked

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remember anyone who is mildly protown is basically a treestump

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And the whole cops thing

Althoouuuughhhh it's true that we have a bit more in the way of clears than we're supposed to. I forgot about that, not all of Steph/Math/Flea shouldn't be clear. Just me and..... i dont remember who Strange targetted. NORAA

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I feel like Im the only one who is assuming Flea/MathBlade/(Steph) are town literally every time due to Malcolm. Am I wrong?

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Flea is, in my opinion, behaviorally cleared. Until elo where I guess you could get extra paranoid for fun.

Math is just an artifact of my house read. I'm pretty sure if they replaced into anybody else's slot I'd have been tunneled on math again because this isn't the first time he tried to get me eliminated for a 'scum' slip.

Flea obviously got cleared harder but Flea is saying that Malcolm slipped Math/(steph) town too

The only world that's not town is if Malcolm was coached into scumslipping, no?

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I think Mafia losing a neighborizer that could fuck with SM hurt a lot

wait what?

That's a pretty good point although SM could've gotten away with not explaining to us everything before stacking some results (in a different run of this)

Also, what if mafia don't get a neighbourizer?

But I do see what you mean

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the role could also just not tell us who they are investigating which would help a bit

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Night 1 begins!

You are all gathered around a gigantic table. Each of you is holding several cards in your hands. One of you asks the person to their left, "Do you have any threes?" They respond, "Nope, go fish!" The first person then gets up in a fit of rage and leaves the room. They are never seen again.

MalcolmTucker,

Mafia Neighborizer Neighbor

, faded into obscurity day 1.

Night ends on Friday, February 18, 2022, 10:30 AM EST (UTC-5:00) or in (expired on 2022-02-18 10:30:00).

Night actions are due at least 15 minutes before the deadline.

Since day ended before he responded, GrandpaMo must respond to the night start pm.

Fast night is an option if all living players agree to it.

Malcolm was a neighborizer

That was pretty pro scum if SM is town

We coordinate something then Malcolm could hood around it.

Malcolm got that role randomly though.

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Also if scum neighbourized people who SM is investigating.... we burn that person on a stake no? They'd have to openwolf

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Town: Noraa
Dunn

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StrangeMatter

Mathblade

Flea
Lukewarm

Scum with 1 town:
Enchant
LLD
Bell

HOW is dunn townier than a mech clear?!?!?!?!

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Night 1 begins!

You are all gathered around a gigantic table. Each of you is holding several cards in your hands. One of you asks the person to their left, "Do you have any threes?" They respond, "Nope, go fish!" The first person then gets up in a fit of rage and leaves the room. They are never seen again.

MalcolmTucker,

Mafia Neighborizer Neighbor

, faded into obscurity day 1.

Night ends on Friday, February 18, 2022, 10:30 AM EST (UTC-5:00) or in (expired on 2022-02-18 10:30:00).

Night actions are due at least 15 minutes before the deadline.

Since day ended before he responded, GrandpaMo must respond to the night start pm.

Fast night is an option if all living players agree to it.

Malcolm was a neighborizer

That was pretty pro scum if SM is town

We coordinate something then Malcolm could hood around it.

Malcolm got that role randomly though.

Are you sure? There’s no reason scum don’t also have a neighborizer and randomly get one?

The odds of all town neighborizers is very low

Yes

2: Two neighborizer roles and two mass neighborizer roles will be randomly distributed into the player list independent of alignment. These roles may or may not be modified. Sample role pms for a Town Neighborizer Neighbor and Mafia 3-Shot Mass Neighborizer Neighbor are provided below. No single player will receive more than one of these roles.

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Oh you mean like normal neighbourizer and 4 random ones. Fair enough although that is a little cheeky

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I would like vote LLD since i'm not swayed on no kill

But I havent talked to her at all since we dont have a hood and no one has said the friggen claim

It's possible I don't even understand the claim right. Is LLD claiming to have prevented a kill (or to likely have done so)

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No I don't believe it either

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You can speak in the neighbourhoods after death though which is super pro town

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You can speak in the neighbourhoods after death though which is super pro town

ESPECIALLY FOR INVESTIGATIVES

It's a free use of the ability after death

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And there are 2 investigatives (steph/strange)

Yes one is a backup of the other but still

Why does this setup need one or two protectives? It doesn't make a lot of sense to me to throw the game into evens and have the dead people be able to talk anyway?? Like what?

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You can speak in the neighbourhoods after death though which is super pro town

ESPECIALLY FOR INVESTIGATIVES

It's a free use of the ability after death

wait so if you were a neighborizer, you can do actions AFTER DEATH?!?!?!?!?!??!?!??!?!!?!??!?

If you're in a hood and you die while doing an action

YOU STILL GET THE RESULT

Which you then tell your hoodmates after you die

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And then you keep playing out EVERY OTHER DAY PHASE CAUSE YOU'RE FRIGGEWN IMMORTAL

(i'm trying to emphasize how strong i feel town is in this setup at least from a mech standpoint)

I dont think town is so strong they auto win via mech but i do think town has insane dayplay and nightplay since we never have to take breaks not for death not for nighttime which is usually scum's time to take a break

They can't because they have to keep hoodposting

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Can we talk about why LLD would claim macho at all if it weren't true though.

So someone would ask that

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Also fakeclaims have fake modifiers all the time.

You make a good point that Macho makes not a lot of sense. But that's kinda WIFOM for you I guess. It sounds so out there that it must be true kinda thing.

Why did you take the claim for granted when you first heard it as well as tbh still now?

pedit: Oh LLD claimed this middle of night one?

VOTE: LLD

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Whoever heard about this night one and didn't immediately vote LLD is also scum

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Okay that's too much

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Also fakeclaims have fake modifiers all the time.

You make a good point that Macho makes not a lot of sense. But that's kinda WIFOM for you I guess. It sounds so out there that it must be true kinda thing.

Why did you take the claim for granted when you first heard it as well as tbh still now?

pedit: Oh LLD claimed this middle of night one?

VOTE: LLD

No she claimed last night

I didn’t believe it immediately but benefit of doubt since that catastrophe we shouldn’t mention happened

Oh

Do you think it's believable that LLD claimed because of that then? I see

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No she claimed last night

why was she not nked then??? literally that hood has at least 1 scum right? you said it had both bell and enchant. thats min 1 scum 100%

Because that's an awful nightkill?

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Remember Noraa there are like 5 confirm town and about 3 viable elimination targets and LLD is one of the latter

If scum kills LLD that's an autolose

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i want to know who LLD protected last night before doing anything though since i think macho weakens prs also idk anything about how setup balancing works.

Townie post.

MB, your decision not to share LLD's information with what would largely be a group of town player was incorrect, but it's largely immaterial.

WHY ARE YOU CALLING THE N1 COP CLEAR TOWNIE'

THIS GAME IS CONFUSING ME SO HARD NOW

UNVOTE:

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Also fakeclaims have fake modifiers all the time.

You make a good point that Macho makes not a lot of sense. But that's kinda WIFOM for you I guess. It sounds so out there that it must be true kinda thing.

Why did you take the claim for granted when you first heard it as well as tbh still now?

pedit: Oh LLD claimed this middle of night one?

VOTE: LLD

No she claimed last night

I didn’t believe it immediately but benefit of doubt since that catastrophe we shouldn’t mention happened

Oh

Do you think it's believable that LLD claimed because of that then? I see

No I don’t.

I called her out on it soon as she claimed it.

I think she claimed because she needed something to townfirm her and came up with the idea and no killed

I just didn’t have the heart to push too hard on it

I just said like “Macho doesn’t make sense”.

I think you're right. I also think in your shoes I probably woulda made the same decision to wait on it

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I can't turn off my automatic hunting protocol.
That's no fun.

But like you don't have it indexed who is mech town? That's basically the only thing I have since i havent been reading much

Noraa/Morning are innocent says StrangeMatter
Flea is hard town due to Malcolm slip
Math/(steph) are soft town to malcolm slip. Although I thought House was really obvious town and now same for Math more likely than not
Lukewarm is transparent town

Bell I had as lean town. Your approach to LLD's claim is a bit odd to me which is my only gripe -- it feels like you're giving it too much leniency

Then Enchant/Dunn/LLD

Don't see why LLD wouldn't just shoot SM or MT.

I guess LLD might have claimed Macho to prevent a counter claim from another protective.

It's true that there are a lot of confirm/highly likely town to kill off right now.

However, after they die, they still speak and give results so there's that downside. Also keep in mind, even if you kill Strange, they still post the result. Also keep in mind this is Strange's last result

And then also remember that Morning is barely playing the game at all (Also, LLD can't see me post at all! I didn't get to post here last phase and we dont have a hood)

My thoughts are that you have to do something.

Also that is a really really good guess WTF

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I guess LLD might have claimed Macho to prevent a counter claim from another protective.

I would have never thought of this

Does that even work actually? Doesn't Macho imply another protective?

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Outing her claim was fine.

Everyone saying whether they believed her claim, or if that meant too much town power, ect was probably not smart

y

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if ur gonna say it wouldve been better in a hood

no

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Gunna say this one last time though.

I'm town. You were warned.

That doesn't change anything for me personally

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Why was it wrong to talk about the LLD claim? Are we not supposed to figure out who the scum in LLD/Enchant/whoever else are?

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Everyone in main thread is being silly today i think

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That or it's just hood shenanigans

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I don't recall you arguing hard for either an enchant elimination or an LLD elimination.

me or math

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Hopefully not me cause i have done nothing this game but assume all the clears are town and go after LLD/Enchant/Dunn

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I don't recall you arguing hard for either an enchant elimination or an LLD elimination.

Oh I can confirm this is exactly what Math has been doing then

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Well LLD and you anyway

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If you don't think they're scum they're not in your PoE. For example, Dunnstral isn't in your PoE, without an explanation.
But If I wanted to point out how everything you say is is in error, I'd be here for an exceptionally long time.

I disagree with your definition of PoE

PoE is everyone you don't think is town

but it's subjective

It's weird how much you and Math argue over these things

Feels like I'm missing most of the big picture

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I can appreciate the irony of a scumslip handing us the game and then it becoming a distraction in future phases

The scumslip has not and has never mattered to me though I just care about LLD and the claim, nothing else. But we're talking about all of this instead and it's getting frustrating

I keep trying to talk in here cause i dont like hoods and i want to hear everyone

I must admit I don't envy Math's current position cause he must know no matter who he pushes he's gonna get so much pushback

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Okay i see Bell didn't actually auto assume LLD was telling the truth i just got confused by something he worded

I still think LLD is more likely to be fake claiming

Bell is probably a bit more town now. Back when I noticed him only playing contrarian to Math I kinda thought it was cuz he had to save LLD or win or something

Now I think Bell is irritated at the scumslip thing and i was picking up more of that than anything

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My PoE is broader than yours is, Math.

I think the PoE is in (SM, LLD, Dunnstral, Enchant)
and probably(but not likely based on play, more on Noraa's side than on MT's) an outgrowth where Noraa or MT can be scum if SM is.

Dunn has an inno
SM can’t be scum.

Your PoE is fixed

VOTE: LLD

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If LLD flips town kill Dunn

Unless you think town cop dunn and town doctor LLD can both exist with all the aforementioned town power we've been over

in which case, id be interested in hearing more about that theory

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Dunn and LLD can't both be town so it's fine

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Did I miss a section where Dunnstral claimed something or something.

Yeah that's the frustrating part of this game

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Just kill LLD

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UNVOTE:

Sigh i hate these hoods and these games

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I think... Math is right and StrangeMatter, if scum, has caused themself to lose the game by claiming as many innos as they have

IF. and only if that is true

Then it's game over, vote LLD

That is the game as I understand it

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Yeah I wish I knew mechanically what is what but it's all so hazy because of the hoods

For instance, I still don't know why some people are being considered confirmed town by others

And I don't know if it's wrong for me to talk about the things I do know ????????? because it's all being kept so secret?

Just a lil annoying

Thematically with the web of lies though I think things are getting in full swing, I genuinely have no idea who knows what, who said what, what exactly has been said.

As amusing as that is, it's not terribly fun to play cause I'm just sitting here counting all the mechanical innocents being thrown around by everyone and trying to math stuff out as for what is possible and likely. not my style at all really.

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Stephen! THANK GOD

I am glad he didnt target Strange. That just makes the game too confusing.

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Anyway thank you luke love u ty

Seeing as Dunn is truly clear to me now

VOTE: LLD

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Luke are you watching me, bell, and math in the main thread and laughing at us with ur pals in another PT who actually know what is happening while us fools play a completely separate and totally false game?

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Well I've been tinfoiling you as scum in one of my hoods. I've been having a lot of fun doing that. So take that!

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I'm not entirely sure playing absolutely crystal perfect is necessary when 90% of the setup is confirm town though

It's not like we need the help, i mean

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So on a technical level yes letting LLD talk is better.

I, do not believe LLD is going to talk.

Also even if she does i am at this point fairly convinced she is scum

And also also if she is in fact town, she along with us are still going to win if she gets mislimmed

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Stephen! THANK GOD

I am glad he didnt target Strange. That just makes the game too confusing.

God I am an idiot
It’s midnight and similar names and telephone

No, it was both lol

well that was confusing as fuck

In any case if there was any miscommunication anywhere ur good. It was probably on me if there was

It all makes a lot more sense now I think

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Actually, I blame the hood mechanic for all of this

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Trying to keep track of this is a pain.

But yeah I think LLD needs to explain or die.

Probably the latter

I can only imagine replacing into this lol

sooo i think what's happened is basically Luke (and the others in the masonry essentially) has known everything that you/me/Bell just figured out. But he withheld it so LLD could talk first since generally telling someone they're lying makes them less of in a mood to talk. So technically letting LLD talk is best play

But it sacrifices you/me/bell's sanities. So, tradeoffs.

I think it was illuminating enough I guess?

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I see.

See though when optimal play is "Don't talk" but i feel like playing i sacrifice the optimal a lot

In this specific case though, i didn't know that was what yall wanted to do so i apologize for that. I usually leap before i look

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Yay! The second protective! It's Enchant! Woo!!! We found them!!!!!!!!!

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Oh right that changes nothing

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Does this actually change something?

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It just seems like an extension to the bit LLD was doing to me

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FUCK

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I DID IT AGAIN

AS I WAS FUCKING

OH MY GOD

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just do as the mage says

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hey!!! now the macho modifier on LLD makes sense

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I thought Enchant was saying he was Macho I was about to lose it

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Lol is that what you thought too Bell

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StrangeMatter had a 0% chance of being nightkilled in every scenario because scum killing them more or less only helps town?

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All that would do is publish an innocent result on StrangeMatter, as well as me/Noraa again

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the idea that scum would choose to kill StrangeMatter is mind boggling

you somehow blocking that kill is MEGA mind boggling

and scum managing to kill one of two hard confirmed town on the first night with two doctors is... you get the idea

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I'm not even sure there are non confirmed players left besides those two

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Who are you proposing exactly

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Just a few comments on balance:

1) I think the impact of being able to speak after death was underestimated quite a bit. I think that's the biggest flaw in the setup's balance. Mafia did receive this benefit too however.
2) The traffic analyst role honestly did a lot better than I expected. We basically agreed in review that it was a fairly weak role given the neighborhood chaos.
3) While we expected some kind of neighborhood massclaim early on, we didn't expect such open communication of information between the neighborhoods.
4) The scum slip cleared a bunch of people and certainly didn't help the setup's balance.
5) I will be hosting a Web of Lies 2 in the near future due to the scum slip. It won't be the same setup. If you have suggestions, please fill out my survey.

A big part of scum power is silencing the people who are scumreading the team. If someone is giving me a headache and i dont have the option to silence them or even attempt to it's just a bummer

Yeah I think if that role had only generated one inno and the whole Malcolm confirms didn't happen, then the traffic analyst would have been better

I think splitting up players impedes town progress 90% of the time

Ooh survey!

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I think that with no scum slip, and with the TA only having one target - this game would have been okay.

The TA was swingy in design, and this roll of the set up gave it about the maximum amount of power it ever could have gotten.

Lol Luke pretty much already said it but yeah I agree

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Was there a real Macho modifier?

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Subject: MT 2263: Web of Lies - Mod PT

Final Player --> Role Mapping

1: MathBlade

House

--> Town Neighbor B P2 N1 MN1
2: MalcolmTucker

Medea the Alien

--> Mafia Neighborizer 2 Neighbor B P3 N2
3: Dunnstral --> Town Macho Neighbor C P2 MN1 Friendly Neighbor
4: Lady Lambdadelta --> Mafia Informed Macho 2-Shot Jailkeeper Neighbor B P2
5: Almost50 --> Town Neighbor C P1
6: Lukewarm --> Town Neighbor ABC P4 MN1
7: Enchant --> Mafia 1-Shot Role Cop (N2 Strong-Willed Mass Neighborizer) Neighbor C P2
8: Bell --> Town Neighbor A P2
9: StrangeMatter

Cupcake Butterfly

--> Town Modified Traffic Analyst Neighbor A P1 N1
10: Stephen A Smith --> Town Loud Backup Modified Traffic Analyst Neighbor B P1 MN1
11: Morning Tweet --> Town Neighborizer 1 Neighbor A P1 N1
12: Noraa

GrandpaMo

--> Town Macho Doctor (N1 Strong-Willed Mass Neighborizer) Neighbor A P1
13: Flea The Magician --> Town Neighbor A P3 MN1

Key:
A = Dranlon Street
B = Silvar Street
C = Formello Street
P1 = Entertainment
P2 = Education
P3 = Industrial
P4 = Agriculture

Role pms are posted here in the above order.

Ohhhhhhh I see.

Mafia Neighbourizer + Mafia Informed ["There is a traffic analyst"] Macho 2-shot Jailkeep + Mafia 1-X Rolecop n2 strong-willed mass neighbourizer

versus

Town N1 FN + Town Modded Traffic Analyst + a loud backup of the last + Town Neighbourizer + Town Macho Doctor N1 Strong-Willed Mass Neighbourizer + Town ABC + 4 town

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simplified heavily it's Gated Cop + Gated Cop Backup + Doctor vs. 2x JK + 1x roleblock + vanilla goon

Mafia is informed there's a traffic analyst although not to the point where it's enough to help them much. I would have probably informed mafia exactly how the investigative works so there's some counterplay via neighbourizing, maybe

I think if you remove allowing people to talk after death (and obviously the slip business) that balances it a lot more. Was there a design reason for created PTs also treestumping?

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simplified heavily it's Gated Cop + Gated Cop Backup + Doctor vs. 2x JK + 1x roleblock + vanilla goon

Oh, plus the friendly neighbour. Obviously hindsight is 2020 but i wouldnt have included another innocent result in there, probably. I do have a personal hatred of power that hard confirms alignment mechanically though so im biased

I guess the cops got very lucky so the FN theoretically reduces swing a bit when that doesnt happen. But also, there were two cops so if SM died then the other cop would get a different pool of people to check, no? I think the backup accomplished ensuring a result well enough. Again though easy to say when we know how well the cop worked this run

There are probably runs where Luke's role gets suspected he just played so well it seemed obvious.

What I like about this setup is the try at creating something new you've never really had to think about before -- specifically the traffic analyst needing to investigate people they share all of their hoods with. I like the idea of players having to consider why hoods are being created with the players they have. But mafia didn't have any tools to interact with that or know about it so it ended up going to random chance (via hood selection) whether or not the cop got their results off. as opposed to within mafia's influence or the traffic analysts or really anyone's

I also like the addition of Luke's role

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Having to check multiple threads and keep track of what a million people know about each other is more annoying than fun to me but I think it's just less my speed. Obviously you get what you sign up for, this was advertised as being hood centric of course

how did you determine hoods? I'm not entirely sure if that part was randomized or if it was predetermined which roles would be in which reading the mod thread.

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Subject: MT 2263: Web of Lies - Mod PT

This setup should have had some mechanic to discourage such open communication of information.

shudder

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True I think if I wanted a web of lies there wouldn't have been power roles that don't directly have something to do with it

I actually thought this setup was going to be JUST the randomized neighbourizers when I joined originally. I don't like the more Normal game style of power roles, power roles are better when you can make them fit with your theme

For example, I quite liked Luke's role and the traffic analyst concept because they were new and fresh things to consider whilst adding to the theme of "web of lies"

But on the other hand i don't really quite get why the FN and doctor were in it

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How did yall manage to townread Dunn btw? sometimes he just doesnt try and its always felt a little more common on scum to me

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Meeeh i guess it wasnt like those scum games where he absolutely didnt play

I never got to see Dunn this game at all really tho