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[GeneralWu]

My account name of “maozedong” was not accepted by the mods, so they told me to change the name of my account.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[GeneralWu]

I am taking suggestions for my avatar if anyone wants to. Bonus points if the file is already clipped to the appropriate dimensions.

A picture of Mao Zedong!

[GeneralWu]

Mao Zedong was such a cool username rip

[GeneralWu]

Do a lot of you know each other? I suspect it may be difficult to navigate among all the different relationships that I am unfamiliar with here.

I've played with some of the people in this game, but that was like 1-2 years ago. I don't know if anyone still remembers me lol

[GeneralWu]

Indeed I am saddened as well. However both he and the current leader of China are very controversial figures, so I understand the sentiment behind the sanction.

Not during the cultural revolution, though. Back then, Mao Zedong was undoubtedly the greatest man ever to live.

I like controversial usernames, too.

[GeneralWu]

You may have what, skitter30?

I think i was in a newbie with generalwu but i'm not positive, i'll check later

I do remember playing a game with you.

[GeneralWu]

I also wouldn’t mind getting Datisi hammered soon.

That's a bad idea.
Hammering people very early on is bad because we have less time to discuss and we're probably defenstrating a townie.

[GeneralWu]

What is nai?

Not alignment-indicative.

[GeneralWu]

I can guarantee at least one scum has posted.

How could you know this?

Mao Zedong sees and knows everything.

[GeneralWu]

By the way, have you played mafia before, Yeet?

[GeneralWu]

The forum software this website uses is pretty old, right?

[GeneralWu]

Yes, I have played mafia before. I played a little bit on EpicMafia when that was still a thing, and a couple games on this site on different accounts. I also occasionally play Avalon with my friends.

Dang I remember EpicMafia.
I'm actually quite sad that it got shut down, even though I used to troll on EM a lot.

[GeneralWu]

why does frogster sound so NEW, it's weird vibes for a 2011 join date

Shade or curious?

no offense meant, new isn't bad. but when the way you are approaching and interacting with the game doesn't line up with how i would think an experienced player would, it could be cause you feel awkward and have trouble engaging genuinely as maf.

but on the other hand, if you are more new (and looks like you don't have a ton of games played actually) then it makes you make more sense to me

If anybody doesn't behave like other people of similar experience, it's probably Yeet.
He sounds extremely new to forum mafia since he wants to defenestrate someone early, but that might be because he's used to a different playing style on EpicMafia.

[GeneralWu]

why does frogster sound so NEW, it's weird vibes for a 2011 join date

Shade or curious?

no offense meant, new isn't bad. but when the way you are approaching and interacting with the game doesn't line up with how i would think an experienced player would, it could be cause you feel awkward and have trouble engaging genuinely as maf.

but on the other hand, if you are more new (and looks like you don't have a ton of games played actually) then it makes you make more sense to me

If anybody doesn't behave like other people of similar experience, it's probably Yeet.
He sounds extremely new to forum mafia since he wants to defenestrate someone early, but that might be because he's used to a different playing style on EpicMafia.

[GeneralWu]

Oops it just glitched.

[GeneralWu]

tbh no one currently posting is causing great concern for me

We're getting like 3 posts a minute.

[GeneralWu]

I don't think skitter is scummy for saying what she did about Datisi.
It sounds pretty normal to me. While not everyone here is completely familiar with Datisi's playstyle, I don't think it's scummy for skitter to suggest that Datisi's posts are NAI.

[GeneralWu]

I don't think skitter is scummy for saying what she did about Datisi.
It sounds pretty normal to me. While not everyone here is completely familiar with Datisi's playstyle, I don't think it's scummy for skitter to suggest that Datisi's posts are NAI.

The point was not that she suggested his posts are NAI - that is what I expect town skitter to do. And I’m sure she knew that part, regardless of what her alignment is. The point is that she started it with disbelief that he was getting pressure from players who don’t know him, knowing full well that she is using her experience with Datisi to sort him.

She saw an opportunity to make a read (fake content) that she would as town and slipped up in how she presented it.

Maybe she just thought that other players would see the same things she did, but it turned out that they didn't.

[GeneralWu]

136 noted for being potentially a town tell, a scum tell, or both!

Well what is it then?

[GeneralWu]

@fireisredsir, @Datisi, @Aristeia what are the names of the anime characters in your profile pictures?

[GeneralWu]

Okay following 163 I feel compelled to share wu is a townlean for me unironically.

Well folks, I think my work here is done.

Dang
How did you conclude that

[GeneralWu]

@Wu

Wu sheep my vote on Yeet if you're town. Yeet's slot is scummy, Yeet is stumbling the daystart, and I don't want my Yeet wagon to be arbitrarily abandoned

I agree that Yeet is sorta scummy because he acts less experienced than he is, but I kinda want to hear from him a little more.

[GeneralWu]

Do Aristeia and Datisi know each other in person?

[GeneralWu]

What are examples of Yeet acting less experienced than he is? Also what more do you need to hear from him? He has made more posts than anyone.

What I mean is that I want to give him more time to see what happens (not wait for him to make a greater quantity of posts).
Yeet claims to have played some forum mafia here using a different account, but these posts seem like he's very new to forum mafia:

You are not helping your case, scumDatisi.

Frogsterking is confirmed town to me. I will not accept any vote on Frogsterking.

It might be because he's more used to playing on EpicMafia, so that's why I want to wait for more things to happen.

[GeneralWu]

Okay, just caught up with the whole game now. There are a few standouts, but I would first like to say that I took issue with the name MaoZedong and brought it up personally with the mod. I don’t know if anyone else was similarly uncomfortable or brought it up and I know Yeet probably doesn’t have bad intentions, but it’s definitely not held up just because he wasn’t around. Especially since we literally had a period where he clearly confirmed he was around beforehand or he would have been included with the two called out.

Mao Zedong was such an awesome username

[GeneralWu]

Do Aristeia and Datisi know each other in person?

I don't know about irl, but I replaced out of a game (which is now completed) where they both made this kind of shitposting as Town.

Link:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88600

I believe the behavior is NAI but extremely AntiTown and I'm down to policy lim Ari for it and/or Dats if he's resisting the Ari policy lim too much.

I also think shiptoasting is NAI.
A policy defenestrate is not good because shiptoasting isn't that antitown.

[GeneralWu]

Controversial usernames are fun, though.
We could've had so many Mao Zedong jokes this game rip

[GeneralWu]

I am tentatively at

humaneatingmonkey
GeneralWu


so the other 2 scum are in

Scorpious
Save The Dragons
MalcolmTucker
skitter30
Eyes without a face
Nordom

How do you know the number of mafias in the game?

[GeneralWu]

I'm not gonna get defenestrated this early anyway :O

[GeneralWu]

like 74 is super LAMIST so its prob a scum post

Also how is that post LAMIST?
Any time somebody wants to defenestrate somebody this early, someone always says something similar to #74.

[GeneralWu]

Do they? or do you think they do and you felt best to do what was expected of "town" you

Yeah people do.

[GeneralWu]

sorta felt like 130 is a sassy town reaction to being suspected

I agree.

[GeneralWu]

Wu is not a real wagon she says.

Even if you disagree with it its the leading wagon (I presume)

just let things form organicly

why would i not push for the people i think are scummy to be wagoned rather than "let things form organicly"?

I'm starting to feel that attacks on me, quite frankly, are attacks on science.

[GeneralWu]

Also to be serious: nero's pushing me to let things form "organicly," but that's suspicious to be honest.

[GeneralWu]

Spoiler:

I played a few games on Epicmafia, then swotched to another, then MU, then webDiplomacy, then here.

Remember when Epicmafia was still a thing?
It got shut down.

Yes, I have played mafia before. I played a little bit on EpicMafia when that was still a thing, and a couple games on this site on different accounts. I also occasionally play Avalon with my friends.

Dang I remember EpicMafia.
I'm actually quite sad that it got shut down, even though I used to troll on EM a lot.

talk about epicmafia check

This has nothing to do with the game; but for the people with anime avatars, what are the names of the characters in your avatars? I'm really curious.

@fireisredsir, @Datisi, @Aristeia what are the names of the anime characters in your profile pictures?

ask about anime avatars check

Does this guy have like a checklist of what to post?

I don't, but I just sorta end up talking about the same things a lot. It's parallelism.

Honestly, I talk about this stuff even when I'm not in a game.

[GeneralWu]

because I want to kill bad people

Same same.

But killing baddies AND getting info to kill more baddies is where it is at, imo.

Consolidation on two wagons for pressure when done right is more powerful than a single target and lots of scattered mini wagons

I agree. It's sorta like how a political system with two large parties is better than one with a single large party or many small parties.

However, I shouldn't be one of the wagons.

[GeneralWu]

Probably you and Yeet.

[GeneralWu]

TBF, he IS reading the game b/c I keep seeing his name online

Yeah I am, but I prefer posting when I have a computer.

[GeneralWu]

I kinda have this feeling that there might be scum defending me for free towncred.

[GeneralWu]

who is even defending you

You (somewhat).
I do have to think about this though.

[GeneralWu]

Nero gives me some mixed feelings.
Sometimes I can't tell if he's being serious (such as when he said "let's flip a 2022 join date"). If he was being serious when he said that, then that raises some red flags.

The other part of him seems like aggressive town.

[GeneralWu]

dayvig:mathblade

dayvig:mathblade

VOTE: Nerocain

After my flip.

You don’t dayvig a mason and live

Oh shoot.
(Pun somewhat intended )

[GeneralWu]

Hey MathBlade, are you from AoPS?

[GeneralWu]

dayvig:mathblade

dayvig:mathblade

VOTE: Nerocain

After my flip.

You don’t dayvig a mason and live

Oh shoot.
(Pun somewhat intended )

Are you just thread lurking?

No.

[GeneralWu]

Wu needs to step the fuck up and start contributing to the game.

Okay coach. Make sure to tell him in your little "neighborhood"

I just got this joke.
I am not mafiaaaaaaaaaa.

[GeneralWu]

THIS right here is why my sequence on Datisi was not wrong. We need to get things moving and start pushing in this kind of game since opinions will be far more fragmented. The probability that close to half the people in this game have the same top scumread is far lower than in a smaller game. That means we need to compromise and not always vote our top scumread at any given point. We don't want to dilly dally the whole day and scramble with no info at the end. I am saying this now so that we do not get caught in problems down the line. Just to put my money where my mouth is, I will VOTE: humaneatingmonkey, even though my last impression of him is light town (although I feel more nullish on him anyway).

This post is sorta towny. Scum could just dilly dally the entire day and end up with no hang in the end. However, Yeet could have been pushing humaneatingmonkey because Yeet is scum and knows HEM is town.
If MathBlade is lying, Yeet is more towny, but if Math is telling the truth, then Yeet is more scummy.

[GeneralWu]

No I clearly don’t because D1 mason claiming as scum is Suicide.

Actually, I've seen claimed PRs survive till the end of the game because of wifom and stuff.

[GeneralWu]

Is the dayvig thing real?
MathBlade still hasn't been flipped yet.

[GeneralWu]

Hi General, can you answer 1290?

I wanted to wait a while to see if the dayvig thing was real.
Because if it isn't, Nero's either extremely scummy or extremely antitown.

[GeneralWu]

Is the dayvig thing real?
MathBlade still hasn't been flipped yet.

I might as well be flipped.
It’s probably not real.

Do you TR Datisi?

I do think he's a bit towny because he reminds me of a town game he played earlier.

[GeneralWu]

dayvig:mathblade

dayvig:mathblade

VOTE: Nerocain

After my flip.

You don’t dayvig a mason and live

Oh shoot.
(Pun somewhat intended )

fua do you mean this?

[GeneralWu]

Hi General, can you answer 1290?

I wanted to wait a while to see if the dayvig thing was real.
Because if it isn't, Nero's either extremely scummy or extremely antitown.

Also, how so? You seem to be tossing out these vague half-reads without ever elaborating on them.

I just think that was a terrible way to out a PR.
Also, MathBlade had just replaced in. Usually, people wait a while to let new replacements catch up before dayvigging them.

Yeah! Why the 'oh shoot' response if you don't have thoughts on it?

I like puns and I say "oh shoot" a lot.
Also, it would've been a lot worse had it been real.
I also wanted to see if Nero was doing a reaction test on MathBlade, but eventually it didn't seem like he was.

now I wish my dayvg was real

VOTE: Nero Cain

[GeneralWu]

Oops I legitimately forgot
UNVOTE: Nero Cain

[GeneralWu]

MathBlade, why did you claim again?

[GeneralWu]

Oops I legitimately forgot
UNVOTE: Nero Cain

What did you forget?

I forgot that he "dayvigged" you after you claimed.
I'm getting old and I'm starting to forget things.

[GeneralWu]

MathBlade, why did you claim again?

As I said, both me and my partner were top wagons. Means gamestate is bad. Means active scum.

Needed to claim to fix D1 as D1 is most impressionable.

Wait, why though?

I feel like there was still plenty of time to wait for the wagons to shift away from you guys.

[GeneralWu]

@MathBlade I bet you'll still be alive for a long time before you finally get killed.
I kinda agree with you except the part that says "I think you're scum unhappy your miselim is fighting back."

[GeneralWu]

i don't see the point in not believing the claim at the moment

but I will say that crumbing (in the least secretive way possible) in an entry post and then literally 25 minutes later being like "im mason, look at my crumbs for proof" and then "oh i had to claim because both masons were wagoned QUICK VOTE THESE SPECIFIC OTHER PEOPLE THERE'S NO TIME" is hilarious

i especially like the "hum de dum I'm gonna go hunt scum in a VC" and then coming back with "oh NO me and my mason partner are the lead wagons?? whaaat??" for extra dramatic effect

This makes a lot of sense.

[GeneralWu]

I still have to read up but I’m feeling like voting for fua?

Okay I’m literally confused by Wu’s post

What I mean is that I also think it's strange that MathBlade breadcrumbed mason and then quickly claimed.
Maybe he changed his thought process quickly, but that's sorta hard to believe.

[GeneralWu]

I still have to read up but I’m feeling like voting for fua?

Okay I’m literally confused by Wu’s post

What I mean is that I also think it's strange that MathBlade breadcrumbed mason and then quickly claimed.
Maybe he changed his thought process quickly, but that's sorta hard to believe.

Oh no! I made a decision based on me and my mason partner being wagoned meaning scum were in control of the game. I must be scum /s

It’s posts like this that make Wu scum.

Wait but then why did you breadcrumb mason like 25 minutes before you claimed?

[GeneralWu]

I immediately crumbed on replacing in. What do you expect timetravel?

So you breadcrumb before you even read the thread, right?

[GeneralWu]

Catching up with the building bricks as there’s been a lot of posts.

When I was working on my local env special fields could disappear if someone messed up posts.

Gonna start reading backwards to try to avoid hyperposting. Anything in particular I should look at?

Building bricks…

Literally mason lmao

Yes. It’s standard to crumb mason and your partner in first few posts as I said earlier

I've seen the bricks thing so many times before, but I miss it every time.
I feel like scum are going to start CTRL+Fing the word "brick" in future games to find and kill masons.

boat wagons will be my new alt

Aren't boat wagons a thing? I've seen people on other websites do both votes and "boats," where posting

Boat: [Username]

means you want [Username] shot by the dayvig. (The dayvig agrees to shoot whoever gets the most "boats.")

[GeneralWu]

not really, that would mean 3/4 scum team got ran up today. I kinda think that's unlikely.

How do you keep knowing how many scum members there are?

[GeneralWu]

Assuming MathBlade is telling the truth, I think we have a good shot of catching scum among the people who were voting him and monkey. I just don't think wagons can get like this without scum interference.

[GeneralWu]

I think you are scum as people are defending you by attacking me versus explaining why they TR you.

You know, I think this might mean that some people defending me are scum.

[GeneralWu]

why wouldn't she let NKs sort out a mason claim? ~.~ seems kind of common sense to me.

I've played games as scum in this situation before. We sometimes left the PRs alive longer just to cause confusion. We also assumed there would be other PRs protecting them. During the day, we said things like "nightkills are wifom" to justify everything.

[GeneralWu]

There needs to be a catalyst why.

A catalyst lowers the activation energy of a reaction so that the reaction can proceed faster. For example, enzymes are biological catalysts. Carbonic anhydrase is an enzyme that catalyzes the reaction H2O + CO2 -> H2CO3. It works by using zinc to stabilize the transition state of the reaction. What sort of catalyst do you think is in this game?

[GeneralWu]

a claimed inno from an investigative role is not the same thing as a mason claim tho

Yeah, but then why would we use an investigative role on one of the claimed masons?

[GeneralWu]

There needs to be a catalyst why.

A catalyst lowers the activation energy of a reaction so that the reaction can proceed faster. For example, enzymes are biological catalysts. Carbonic anhydrase is an enzyme that catalyzes the reaction H2O + CO2 -> H2CO3. It works by using zinc to stabilize the transition state of the reaction. What sort of catalyst do you think is in this game?

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/catalyst

Second definition Wu.

I know, I know. I just like reciting my biology notes.

[GeneralWu]

a claimed inno from an investigative role is not the same thing as a mason claim tho

Yeah, but then why would we use an investigative role on one of the claimed masons?

Wait also:
Scum could pretend to be an investigative role to "clear" fake mason claims, but I feel that'd be to big of a risk.

[GeneralWu]

The more I play mafia, the more I feel like everything can be wifom.

Every time somebody goes "scum won't do this," it means scum might actually do this.

[GeneralWu]

Also, fireisredsir defended me for a time, right?

[GeneralWu]

Oh zgrynibys a lot of stuff happened.

[GeneralWu]

I'm also in a 4p hood with VP, Cape, and Skitter. I doubt its all 4 town and im town and cape is prob town. It's why I've been pushing that at least 1 of them is scum but I don't think it's impossible that both VP and Skitter are scum.

I'd like to see a dead Skitter or Ari's rep the most. Maybe Fua is scum that was buddying me. Don't really care that much about Wu staying alive.

Why did you push me so much if you thought there was at least one scum in the neighborhood?

[GeneralWu]

Also Nero, why do you think there has to be scum in the neighborhood?
I sorta have the same feeling, but it could just be 4 townies too, right?

[GeneralWu]

a vig claim is totally not something a mafia would say...

A vig claim is indeed something a mafia wouldn't say, unless mafia somehow knows there will be two kills each night.
Or a mafia claiming to be a vig can say "I've been roleblocked the entire time!" or something like that.

[GeneralWu]

I think it's noteworthy that Aristeia suddenly started talking a lot in the last several pages.

[GeneralWu]

I sorta have the same feeling

what gives you the feeling that there is scum in the hood?

if its just b/c you scumread me why then do you say "it could be 4 townies" while not thinking i am town?

No, I just think that the mod wouldn't make a neighborhood for no reason.

[GeneralWu]

What do you think of Skitter Wu?

I definitely feel that based on wagons, she seems suspicious. I'll quote the mod posts later; I have to leave now.

hoods are just WIFOM. It's like fairly common to add scum into the hood though it doesn't necessarily mean that a hood must contain scum but I felt like both Skitter and VP were scummy and claiming to be in a hood shines a spotlight on them.

Maybe, but I just thought that usually the mod would say "this is a weird/BM setup" if we're going to get WIFOMed.

[GeneralWu]

gg everybody

[GeneralWu]

So what I don't understand is the flavor.

Sometimes it's about Go, sometimes it's pictures of chessboards.
When it's pictures of chessboards, I have no idea what the accompanying words are supposed to mean.

I quite liked the flavor nevertheless. I actually learned a lot about how to play Go just from reading it.