Mini Theme 2264: Fusion Upick | Post Game

[Noraa]

HALLO!

[Noraa]

I'm a miller. I kept thinking my predecessor was memeing because what in the world is you show up as town adn scum but welcome to the world of PARADOX

[Noraa]

The fusion mechanic makes no sense also. and I've read that over like five times. Two random lists and then .... ???????????????????

[Noraa]

nathan picked miller but im a paradox because..

[Noraa]

The fusion mechanic makes no sense also. and I've read that over like five times. Two random lists and then .... ???????????????????

Let's say, hypothetically, you were number 1 on the first list, and number 7 on the second. Your pick (Miller) would be fused with whatever the pick of number 7 on the first list was, in your case most likely IC or something similar.

Actual role name and mechanics are then up to Meg's interpretation. Miller and IC are contradictory, leading to you appearing as both Guilty and Innocent simultaneously, and now dubbed Paradox.

that doesn't make sense though. I only picked miller, where does IC come from?

[Noraa]

oh never mind. i get it now.
everyone gets a number and then another number and the original numbers are the real ones. the fake just give each real one a role to fuse with

[Noraa]

If scum had control of a vig shot, I can't see why they wouldn't have used it already, especially with two confirmed townies last night.

I do not feel like reading up. Fill me in

[Noraa]

I've never seen ircher this scummy before tbh. Is this the REAL scum ircher O_o

[Noraa]

If everyone in the game SRs ircher, ircher is probably town. if not, depends i guess. lean scum though for sure.

[Noraa]

No it doesn't. It's IRCHER. If everyone SRs him, he's town. Anything in the middle is hazy and nonconclusive.

-professor noraa

[Noraa]

Nathan

Noraa is the towniest! Hmmm I'll bribe you with perhaps ... kitteh gifs?

[Noraa]

[Noraa]

ircher town is always lhf. he's sort of lhf as scum too. but the difference is just that scum almost always go along with it when town ircher is getting run up. an unanimous vote on scummy town gives no info or bad associatives in the future. but if he's scum, it doesn't go that quick even just off the basis that he is scum and wants to survive alone.

[Noraa]

you should have shot Nathann

Remind me why it's day 3 and neg util like this is still alive @_@. either way its ok i'm the towniest

[Noraa]

im feeling the mafia vibes today so im gonna read up probably later today. Gotta finish up hw and then its mafia time.

[Noraa]

Enchants claim, I would be fine with that being randomly put on me some night to prove that im not nightkilling scum. I know that doesnt *clear* me, but if randomly done, semi-clear.

Almost's wall makes me want to flashwagon them. It's just too different from a town almost post. Town almost is never overly explain-y. You scumread town almost, you get flipped off. cat scratch fever's post seemed exactly like a post almost would be like fuck you to.

On second thought I vaguley remember the times before almost had the meme-y meta. I vaguely remember a couple wall posts. But that was from a while ago and squid game was fucking recent.

[Noraa]

SL for you monkey

[Noraa]

The elo discussion makes no sense also. 9 people is not elo in a mini theme

[Noraa]

It is correct that i flip as both alignments.

[Noraa]

im reading the game backwards on matcha

[Noraa]

skimming through i dont understand greetings posts is that why we think im fused with ic? their role seems like an ic + something. maybe like an inventor + ic.

[Noraa]

found the roles. Greeting is probably actually cop + something rather than ic
dwlee is like a voyeur/tracker/watcher. i dont remember which one checked what roles visited the target but that. i have no clue what in the world to combine that with to get whatever that is

[Noraa]

Anyone scum reading dwlee reconsider going into night. The slot had no reason to claim knowledge that Mafia targeted me last night if they were scum.

this is very interesting. hmmm. i cant see a scenario where mafia targets a buddy unless its a protect or inventor.
i think narrowing down mech will either conftown or confscum toog.
Dwlee said mafia targetted toog (i havent read this post yet but assuming its true) since dwlee flipped town, that means mafia definitely did target toog.

If all of the protective/inventor like roles seem to show up in the town claims, it makes this a clear.

[Noraa]

the votes on greeting after the vengeful claim were bad. I kept thinking hmm i guess so since greeting claimed cop vengeful but no, greeting litearlly claimed vengeful. period. how does that ever draw a nightkill? it doesn't. thats the answer. it literally doesnt.

[Noraa]

but now that the claim is out there we don't really have a choice so....

what does this even mean? You don't have a choice because greeting claimed vengeful?

[Noraa]

Let me clarify: At best, town will get a scum. At worst, town will have at least one confirmed townie Day 3. I can make it happen with my role. If I do nothing then the only confirmed townie will probably get killed off Night 2.

this is pretty damn vague

[Noraa]

i see the ic reveal now. the role is weird ebcause if i am miller + innocent vip, i definitely do not have anything that literally has anything to do with a reverse bodyguard. I would literally only have the IC part.

[Noraa]

ok homework time for reals

[Noraa]

Yeah tbh I thought Greeting's role was that they'll venge scum if they target scum, otherwise their target will be mod-confirmed town. But either way, I don't think I ever interpreted it as a plain venge.

My initial thought would be that htey were bs'ing to get nked but that wouldn't make sense since they were insistent on dying to a day elim, so that would defeat the purpose.

[Noraa]

but then my second thought is that they were also bs'ing to get day elimmed. lmao.

[Noraa]

OH BTW I am trying out ze/zir pronouns. I meant to make that announcement first but i got carried away. Back to homework

[Noraa]

Anyone else feel their claim might break open the game a little more before I commit to my position on today's direction?

mememememememememememmememememe

[Noraa]

When am I never going to line myself up as town in a uPick if I can?

i hate being scum but i've never chosen ic in a upick before.

[Noraa]

This game isn't bastard. Godfather shouldn't exist.

[Noraa]

VOTE: Almost50
Going back to this.

*suspenseful music*

[Noraa]

Godfather isn't bastard

It basically is. I was town godfather once >:]

[Noraa]

i already claimed but id ont think we should mass claim. too much power is already claimed. im worried what claims are left that havent claimed. not worth giving scum info imo.

[Noraa]

Do you think any of those who claimed is faking scum?

probably? but honestly like i dont really think fake claims are much of a problem in this game. i think the main issue is litearlly just that we shouldn't have everyone claim because I don't see how having every claim out on a day that isn't elo is a good idea. like are you going to figure out people's alignments through role claims? like with the fusion mechanic i dont see how there is litearlly any way to mech our way to a win.

[Noraa]

I'm still not entirely with it, pain is bad.

Someone asked about my fusion, I don't want to reveal what I'm fused with. Flavour seems counter to arsonist and my first 2 targets have been targetted as "yeah we don't want these igniting."

I can stop ignition... but not tonight. I would need to target Ircher tonight and activate tomorrow.
My understanding of Irchers role basically is a mass neighbouriser which means there's a good chance I've misread my role.

VOTE: A50 - I may not be in the same solar system currently but your logic seems to be in another galaxy.

wait ircher is an arsonist? holdy up my skimming skills are not the hottest

[Noraa]

wait can i get the list of claims again. im mixing up a bunch of things

[Noraa]

Noraa is a replacement, but ze likes to fake town slips as scum, and zir not knowing I was conftown seems like an easy slip.

Pretty sure scum me wouldn't know either. I guess it would depend but i dont think i'd know even if i were scum.

[Noraa]

That I can see, nobody has claimed any of the potentials that is my other half.

Still out of it, getting more with it. D4 brings my full force, promise. <3

(myalgia pain flare and fog, for those wondering)

noooooooo <3333 SENDING YOU ALL THE LOVE

[Noraa]

thats mean!
im dayvigging you

beary paw of doom: ircher

[Noraa]

nah not how it works. as someone who "scum slips" in town games frequently, i assure you that common sense is not something that i use

[Noraa]

what the actual fuck are you talking about. i dont have the brain capacity to process all this

[Noraa]

Im not a miller!

[Noraa]

im a paradox get ur facts right

[Noraa]

wait so who did enchant redirect galron onto. this all makse no sense

[Noraa]

Enchant, Myself, Noraa, and A50 all had no ability to visit on N1

is this mech confirmed in any way?

[Noraa]

AHHHHHH HELLO MAFIA GAME

[Noraa]

MY SAT IS FINALLY OVER AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Noraa]

ok ok ok ok time to actually read.

[Noraa]

I think Flea is town.

this is a weird post

[Noraa]

Noraa and CSF on Enchant for sure. I think Flea might as well vote there as well.

hammer testing doesnt work in non-elo situations toog.....

[Noraa]

If I was to make a gut read, I'd probably vote Noraa here

you sure learned a lot from control :/

[Noraa]

VOTE: Noraa

mmmm no. there's almost definitely scum in [flea, ircher]
i've also just thought of a name for these.
Bracket reads.
I've had fairly high levels of success with these in past games. The only possible factor that could disrupt this would be flea's inactivity. We'll have to see

[Noraa]

Zzz Toogeloo. You should've let scum hammer "by accident".

there's literally like two votes on you though

[Noraa]

ok now im going to go take a nap. and then i have a musical. i'll probs be back later today if i have time

[Noraa]

There was five at the time. You're scum aren't you Noraa?

You think I'm scum because i didnt count the votes right? lmao what

[Noraa]

oh fuck its deadline in 14 hours wtf

[Noraa]

I prefer the Almost wagon. any chance that can go through?

[Noraa]

fuck im literally going to be at a musical in like 2 hours and i need to get ready right now.

[Noraa]

toog you need to tell me really soon (im leaving the house right after i get ready) if you want me to vote elsewhere. no elim is bad lets not do that.
VOTE: Ircher

[Noraa]

I want you to vote Enchant, I said this and others said this.

why exactly am i voting enchant? i havent seen a case on that anywhere and im not going to vote it without a case because enchat is lhf

[Noraa]

Herding cats.

I'm 1000% ready to Elim Noraa and have Ircher vote Enchant atp.

toog your reads suck

[Noraa]

So Galron is conftown right? If he wasn't he'd just have shot someone last night and won
assuming he is telling the truth about roden giving him a vig

[Noraa]

Enchant-Flea-Almost?

[Noraa]

Enchant-Flea-Radical is like eh. I remember some defense on A50 sounding fucking towny and im like 99% sure it was radicals
Enchant-Flea-csf is also eh. CSF's scum meta is a bit different from here

[Noraa]

I did think about trying to shoot Nora, since she isn't supposed to have a night action

What?? What do you mean you were trying to shoot me?
Like let's first assume I am lying and do have a moving role. How would you even figure out who I target?
And then let's say I was lying. You think that town has zero reason to lie about anything? It should be clear with Ircher's flip that that is not the case and logic also says that. I do still stand behind my claim but the logic is like huh

[Noraa]

I'm still not sure why I didn't get a singing message though, is it because I holstered?

Or it's just because Enchant is scum?

[Noraa]

Prime Toogaloo, Galron, A50 on respective nights.

This is a scumclaim.

Nordom/Dwlee received a result that Mafia visited Toogeloo N1.

VOTE: Flea the Magician

I missed this but scum doesn't just claim actions that scumfirm them. scum would come more prepared than fae seems to be.

[Noraa]

that action claiming is closer to a clear than a scum claim.

[Noraa]

Prime Toogaloo, Galron, A50 on respective nights.

This is a scumclaim.

Nordom/Dwlee received a result that Mafia visited Toogeloo N1.

VOTE: Flea the Magician

I missed this but scum doesn't just claim actions that scumfirm them. scum would come more prepared than fae seems to be.

Flea did.

Only possibility where Flea is not mafia, if mafia visited Toog TWICE.
Give me example why mafia visit someone twice without killing.

ok scum

[Noraa]

that action claiming is closer to a clear than a scum claim.

Ok, give reasoning where two mafia members visit random townie n1.

no one said 2 mafia members visited toog night 1. did you not read?

[Noraa]

OH
ok i misunderstood dwlee's role. huh. flea is probably just scum then. it doesn't make sense unless the visits were equal but dwlee would have specified that to clear someone if that were the case.
enchant might be town after all
VOTE: Flea

[Noraa]

In terms of our vigs. DO NOT SHOOT TONIGHT IF THIS FLIPS SCUM.
If it flips town, we should aim to have only one of you shoot but I don't know how that would be coordinated.
This is my thought process:
vig potentially saves the game if we elim wrong in elo. since we have two and assuming both are town, they need to holster until an opportunity arises for them to shoot and give us another day or a win. we run the risk of them being shot by scum but
1) theres 2 of them
2) we need the extra cushioning

[Noraa]

my initial thought is that csf should shoot with the vig roden gave tonight only if flea flips town.
We need to establish a vig pool for this.
If flea flips scum, both holster.
the other vig role sounds pretty useless but it could come in clutch in smaller plists.
the thing is that i think even if csf holsters, it's ok since they are a mislim possibility if town

[Noraa]

no sorry, i was so confused for a moment. i mixed the roles up for a second
GALRON should shoot with the vig roden gave if roden flips town. If flea flips scum, holster
CSF should holster no matter what
CSF's vig role sounds useless but comes in clutch in smaller plists where scum are ideally at like 1 vs [number] so the vig watcher whatever is useful
csf is a mislim possibility while galron is obvtown.
regardless, it's important to have vig shots to rely on if we elim wrong

[Noraa]

fuck im tired. BYE im going to bed

[Noraa]

In any case, Noraa's gotta be the elimination today. Even with the double flip thing, we know zir true alignment because if we're wrong the game ends, and if we're right it doesn't. And I'm confident enough in zir being scum because of the hard defense on Flea yesterday, until the mechanical impossibility of Flea being Town was explicitly spelled out for zir.

ew ew ew

[Noraa]

you make it sound like scum me is so dumb that i can't even recognize that flea is beyond saving and instead am gonna do a bunch of shitty scum theatre with enchant for no good reason. and let's say that enchant is town and im scum. it doesn't make sense to give a townie an opportunity to explain the situation to me. either i join the wagon or i don't if im scum. all the stuff before it does nothing but prove im town

[Noraa]

And I'm confident enough in zir being scum because of the hard defense on Flea yesterday, until the mechanical impossibility of Flea being Town was explicitly spelled out for zir.

bleaurgh

[Noraa]

yeah because it makes a shit ton of sense to not bus when you know your buddy is dying.

[Noraa]

[A50, Radical] has scum and bad town. The buddy is probably Enchant, maybe csf.

[Noraa]

No radical is not unlikely maf after that. I'm not interested in explaining but if anyone is going to assume my scum game is shit, then i can also assume the same for everyone else.

[Noraa]

Why would I point out the guilty we'd all seemingly forgotten about on my buddy as scum in Elo instead of just... Not doing that and winning?

Why would I defend a buddy when such crucial and damning evidence has been pointed out and give myself shitty associatives rather than bussing and getting an easy mislim in csf/a50/enchant the next day
you assume my scum game is shit so i can also assume the same for you. i already said it.

[Noraa]

Alright, why do that as Town then?

because i misunderstood dwlee's claim. and no, i wouldn't do that as scum.

[Noraa]

i mean ok fine i do think that radical is probably town but im bashing them anyways because their arguments are dumb.

[Noraa]

and also the shit about "oh no why would i point out that my scum buddy is guiltied" is just bad
because scum misstep as well. theres no reason it can't be something scum is more self conscious about. trying to lessen a scumslips damage by pointing it out first and semi-clearing yourself is nothing impossible.

we look at the situation in hindsight and know that oh hey it wasnt obvious that it was a slip. but to scum, seeing that post is not gonna be the same because scum is ALWAYS self conscious about theri buddies. unless your name is pooky and no one here is pooky.

[Noraa]

it just makes more sense from scum.

no it doesnt.

[Noraa]

Miller + Godfather = Noraa

im sorry what.

[Noraa]

in what world does my role make sense as fused with godfather when no one has claimed to pick godfather and no one else's role seems fused with ic.

[Noraa]

and also the shit about "oh no why would i point out that my scum buddy is guiltied" is just bad
because scum misstep as well. theres no reason it can't be something scum is more self conscious about. trying to lessen a scumslips damage by pointing it out first and semi-clearing yourself is nothing impossible.

we look at the situation in hindsight and know that oh hey it wasnt obvious that it was a slip. but to scum, seeing that post is not gonna be the same because scum is ALWAYS self conscious about theri buddies. unless your name is pooky and no one here is pooky.

Can you explain your thought process again as to how you thought it was a townslip for Flea yesterday?

i didn't think it was a townslip but i tend to think any sort of scummy claim is more likely to come from town. i thought dwlee's role could tell if mafia visited or not so i didn't think that was a scum slip. rather, once it was brought to my attention, i felt scum wouldn't claim they visited toogeloo night 1 since dwlee said mafia had visited.
it was a guilty in hindsight since dwlee's role would only tell them which alignment had more people visiting. and no, to reiterate, if i were scum, i would know what dwlee's role is and i would be clear that was a guilty because i pay a shit ton more attention as scum. meta me.

[Noraa]

What is your pick then?

my pick was miller. are you reading or not? i've cliamed my role in like three separate posts and you dont know what it is

[Noraa]

I'm a miller. I kept thinking my predecessor was memeing because what in the world is you show up as town adn scum but welcome to the world of PARADOX

nathan picked miller but im a paradox because..

im a paradox get ur facts right

[Noraa]

Yes, plottwist, i register as "Not-Town" for investigations

you are lying. this cannot be true.

[Noraa]

well hmm i dont know. hmm

[Noraa]

i just read the rules again and hmm.
it says that all investigatives are sane but then in my role pm it says that investigatives with treat me as both town and mafia.

[Noraa]

i guess the roles take on bigger priority than the saneness of investigatives. never mind.

[Noraa]

my role would give everyone 2 reesults when they interact with me. but your role can exist with the rules as well as my role.

[Noraa]

what is a condemner

[Noraa]

also what the fuck was galron. i dont think that's going to make sense no matter what. toog's role seemed to be fused with double vote because the ic doesnt explain why they had 2 votes

[Noraa]

Galron was a redirector, not a bus driver from what i understood of their role

[Noraa]

During each Night, you must visit a player. During the next day and night they are your client.
You control the original target of the night action of your target

[REDIRECTOR]

and they are informed of this at the end of the night

[LOUD?]

. They learn who they targeted and get the results, however. This action cannot be interfered with and is not a visit.

If your target has more than one ability, you will only use one of them, they will know which one and you will not. You cannot control the Mafia Factional kill.
Your client appears as aligned with the opposite alignment to investigation while they are still your client.

[MILLER?]

You know that a player exists that wants to eliminate your client during the day. If your client is eliminated you will lose all of your abilities.

[CONDEMNER]

Your pick was [Redacted]

[Noraa]

Enchant, why did you not claim Miller earlier?

I feel like that isn't scum indicative and i believe the claim so shrug. like enchant could be scum, but it's not for not claiming miller.

[Noraa]

Toogeloo died during the night. Their role was

Town Mayor

Spoiler:

Welcome, Toogeloo, you are a

Town Mayor

During the day you may post I Reveal Myself or a similar message in bold. (Anything making it clear you intend to reveal will count.)
If you do you will gain a second vote that you cah use with the Heal Tag HEAL: MegAzumarill and you be publically confirmed to be aligned with the town. The elimination threshold will increase accordingly.
Your extra vote does NOT contribute to town's majority for the purposes of endgame.
At night, if you have not revealed you may PM me schedule your reveal during the daystart PM. This has no effect on any night resolutions.
You can never investigate as aligned with the mafia.
Your pick was [Redacted]

[Noraa]

that has nothing to do with redirect whatsoever

[Noraa]

toog ic's and gets a double vote. period. end of story.

[Noraa]

VIP can choose person every night and redirect kills from self on him

hmm. what is lightning rod? i suppose i could be fused with some weaker passive ability.
i cant be fused with visitor busdriver watcher vig whatever because i have no night action. it would never make sense to be fused with a role that has an action. but i could be fused with some passive role that got fused weirdly

[Noraa]

that has nothing to do with redirect whatsoever

Toogeloo claimed his pick was Innocent VIP though is the thing. It seems like only the Innocent part got picked up on, but theoretically the role could be used for redirection

or toog just fakeclaimed for funsies again. i can't redirect but ic and miller makes the most sense as creating what my role is. i show up as town (ic). i show up as scum (miller).

[Noraa]

one nuance of my role is that it explicitly says investigatives get 2 resutls on me but it doesn't say that for other roles. it just says other roles will treat me as both town and mafia.
since they were written separately, well eh. i dont really think that matches up with any of the roles.

[Noraa]

Welcome Roden, you are a

Town Vengesmith.

Before you die you may select a target to give a gun upon your death.
That player will gain a one shot ability to kill another player at night. This can be used alongside any other actions they may have.
You will be able to change targets if your original target died at the same time you did.
Your target receives the gun at the start of the next night phase if they are still alive.
Your pick was [REDACTED]

You win when all threats to the town are dead.

[Welcome Andante, you are a

Town Force-Visitor

Each night you may choose to activate your ability.
If you activate your ability, all other players that did not visit using any abilities will visit you for no effect.
Your ability cannot be interfered with in any way. The visits caused by your ability can, however.
This does not have any effect on players that visited another player.
Your pick was [Redacted]

Welcome, Greeting, you are a

Town Revealer

If you are eliminated by vote, you must "reveal" a living player. This must be decided in advance but you may change at any time by PMing the moderator.
This will cause the moderator to publically reveal their alignment as if they were targeted by an investigative during twilight.
If you do not submit a target the player who hammered you will be revealed.
Your pick was [Redacted]

You win when all threats to the town are dead.

Welcome Ircher, you are a

Town Ringmaster

During night one, specify a night that is not night one. This is assumed to be night two if you do not specify. This is the night the Circus will start.
Each night you may send a player a ticket to the circus. They will not be notified.
When the specified night starts, all players that have a ticket to the circus will be added to the Circus PT, found here [REDACTED]. You always have access to this PT while you are alive.
You may not send players tickets to the circus after the circus starts.
The Circus will still exist or start after you are dead.
Your pick was [Redacted]

You win when all threats to the town are dead.

Welcome, Toogeloo, you are a

Town Mayor

During the day you may post I Reveal Myself or a similar message in bold. (Anything making it clear you intend to reveal will count.)
If you do you will gain a second vote that you cah use with the Heal Tag HEAL: MegAzumarill and you be publically confirmed to be aligned with the town. The elimination threshold will increase accordingly.
Your extra vote does NOT contribute to town's majority for the purposes of endgame.
At night, if you have not revealed you may PM me schedule your reveal during the daystart PM. This has no effect on any night resolutions.
You can never investigate as aligned with the mafia.
Your pick was [Redacted]

Welcome, Flea the Magician, you are a

Mafia Cryomancer

Factional information: [Redacted]
Each night, if no partner is performing this action, you may target another player. Assuming no interference to your action, you will kill that player.
Additionally, each night you may do one of the following actions, but not both:
- You may target a player. Asssuming no interference to your action, that player will be Chilled. This Chill will last indefinitely unless it is removed by a role's ability.
- You may choose to Freeze all chilled players. They will be notified they are frozen. A frozen player cannot use any active abilities and loses passive abilities (except PT access) after the night you activate this ability. Frozen players are no longer chilled but the "Frozen" effect lasts indefinitely unless it is removed by a role's ability. Frozen players will have an additional note upon death saying they are covered in ice.
Your pick was [Redacted] As a non-town player you know that it was combined with [Redacted]

You win when your faction has the same or greater number of living players as living town players, or nothing can prevent this from happening.

Welcome, Galron, you are a

Town Defense Attorney

During each Night, you must visit a player. During the next day and night they are your client. The same player cannot be your client on 2 consecutive nights. You may not choose a player that has had their alignment revealed to you.
You control the original target of the night action of your target and they are informed of this at the end of the night. They learn who they targeted and get the results, however. If you do not submit a valid target they perform their original action and you do not perform this action. This action cannot be interfered with and is not a visit.
If your target has more than one ability, you will only use one of them, they will know which one and you will not. You cannot control the Mafia Factional kill.
Your client appears as aligned with the opposite alignment to investigation while they are still your client.
You know that a player exists that wants to eliminate your client during the day. If your client is eliminated you will lose all of your abilities.
Your pick was [Redacted]

You win when all threats to the town are dead.

[Noraa]

Mafia visited Toogeloo N1.

why is it not plausible?

[Noraa]

Alright again.

1. Miller + ??? = Noraa. Town Paradox -> confirm miller, confirm IC
2. Vengeful + Vigilante = Roden. Town Vengesmith -> confirm vengeful, confirm vigilante
3. Visitor(?) + Lighting Rod = Andante. Town Force-Visitor
4. Cop + Vengeful = Greeting. Town Revealer -> confirm cop, confirm vengeful
5. Watcher + Cop = Dwlee. Town Lookout. -> confirm watcher, confirm cop
6. Innocent Child + ??? = Toogeloo. Town Mayor -> confirm IC
7. Neighbor + Arsonist = Ircher. Town Ringmaster -> confirm neighborizer
8. Arsonist + Absorber = Flea. Mafia Cryomancer
9. Absorber + Neighbor = Almost50. Reflexive Neighbor -> confirm neighborizer
10. Lightning Rod + Miller = Enchant. Town Siren. -> confirm miller
11. Bus Driver + Condemner = Galron, Town Defense Attorney.
12. Condemner + Bus Driver = Radical Rat, Prosecutor.
13. Vigilante + Watcher = CSF. WatcheVig -> confirm vigilante, confirm watcher

[Noraa]

3. Visitor(?) + Lighting Rod = Andante. Town Force-Visitor
6. Innocent Child + ??? = Toogeloo. Town Mayor -> confirm IC
7. Neighbor + Arsonist = Ircher. Town Ringmaster -> confirm neighborizer
8. Arsonist + Absorber = Flea. Mafia Cryomancer -> confirm arsonist
9. Absorber + Neighbor = Almost50. Reflexive Neighbor -> confirm neighborizer
10. Lightning Rod + Miller = Enchant. Town Siren. -> confirm miller -> confirm lightning rod,
11. Bus Driver + Condemner = Galron, Town Defense Attorney. -> confirm condemner
12. Condemner + Bus Driver = Radical Rat, Prosecutor. -> confirm bus driver, confirm condemner

thiis is the list that couldn't be completely matched up

[Noraa]

Mafia visited Toogeloo N1.

why is it not plausible?

I said it was plausible.

ah sorry

[Noraa]

everyone should full claim.
Noraa - Paradox
I flip as town and scum. I investigate as town and scum (2 separate results). Any other actions treat me as both (not sure how many results). My pick was Miller which is confirmed by Enchant.

[Noraa]

but shit doesnt line up. toog was not IC plus visitor

[Noraa]

condemner arsonist absorber
arsonists get targets and ignite them. this fitsw with flea's role. im not sure how this fits with irchers role
absorber copies abilities targetting it. this does not fit with a50's claimed role
condemner wants to get a certain person voted oout. this fits with both galron's role and radical's claimed role

[Noraa]

to be honest, im not sure why anyone would fake claim as scum in this setup. since any role can be any alignment, it really doesn't seem to be worth it. like in a typically setup, you would see something like godfather and treat it as hlaf of a scum claim, but none of that applies here.

[Noraa]

He "ABSORBS" people who visit him in PT and releases at end of day.

thats not how absorber works though. absorber takes the prs that people have and give it to the absorber

[Noraa]

a50-? is the team

[Noraa]

its almost never a50-radical because that doesn't feel right at all.

[Noraa]

Do you think A50 faked visit from Flea?

theres fishy stuff in those two claims and if a50 is not scum and you are not either, then the team is csf and radical and that makes even less sense than a50 faking a visit

[Noraa]

except that is wrong and at the very most, has 1 scum in csf. i somewhat think enchant is town, or at least is pretending to be towny unlike some people

[Noraa]

If fae were going to be faking visits, you'd expect faer to also fake the guilty one.

a normal mafia player wouldn't think guiltying two scum in one post is somethign that makes sense. but here you are.

[Noraa]

are you trying to say that you've seen scum guilty two scum in one post more than you've seen a single scum slip?

[Noraa]

like your argument does not make sense. you're like "oh because flea guiltied faerself, fae would've guiltied a50 if a50 were a scum buddy"

[Noraa]

ok lets put this a different way
do you think it's more likely that i remember that soemone who died on day 2 claimed something that might guilty me if i claim a certain night action or that my partner (who probably put this in the scum pt big and in bold) claimed an action with me

[Noraa]

if a scum buddy is claiming an action that needs your confirming, they ALWAYS communicate it with you in the scum pt at some point.
the scum slip was bad, but you are saying that a scum team that successfully got to a three scum elo decided to not even talk through something as big as confirming an action. That is one action and 2 guilties if gone wrong.

a50 is scum here and i cant see a world where they arent.

[Noraa]

[radical, a50] has scum and radical being bad town makes a lot more sense here

[Noraa]

which one seems more likely to get discussed in the scum pt? something that could guilty 2 scum or something that could guilty 1?

[Noraa]

like you seem to think that a50 is cleared through this interaction and you're literally the only one.
a50 is not cleared and i've spelled out why very clearly.

[Noraa]

when your arguments are literally terrible, yeah it will bite you in the ass lmao

[Noraa]

let's list your arguments rq
1) flea didn't guilty faerself and a50, therefore a50 is town
2) noraa is scum because ze misunderstood dwlee's role and thought flea claiming to target toog was tstbs

[Noraa]

vote me out. lose the game

[Noraa]

a50 literally slipping by so easily off the worst logic in the world

[Noraa]

then the team is csf and radical and that makes even less sense

this would be wild.

[Noraa]

ugh i also feel like radical is town. idk

[Noraa]

ok this game is dead how about i just rock paper scissors with a50 and we call it a day lmfao. i feel like town has more hope winning that way anyways

[Noraa]

ew

[Noraa]

ok this game is dead how about i just rock paper scissors with a50 and we call it a day lmfao. i feel like town has more hope winning that way anyways

How you can play Rock/paper/scissors without cheating though.

honor code

[Noraa]

like at this point if i ever die before a50, shame. absolute shame.

[Noraa]

Right now I am pivoted on Noraa

after not reading anything ok. that makes a lot of sense to run into elo after not reading anything and placing a vote

[Noraa]

i'd be surprised if the scum team didnt have a50

[Noraa]

oh my grandest idea is over

[Noraa]

because the wagon wont go through in this game state anyways.

[Noraa]

my votes are not for decoration tsk tsk

[Noraa]

csf if i were scum, i wouldn't be in this situation at all

[Noraa]

think about why no one has actually ever opposed my elimination all day

[Noraa]

like heres the issue, i've engaged every single person here in a way that doesnt come from scum me. on top of that, my buddy would be hoping i stay alive and defending me at least to start this day but no one has

[Noraa]

That's occurred to me. But maybe you guys just decided to cut your losses and bus

@Nora

from the start of the day though?

[Noraa]

fine gg a50 and radical

[Noraa]

smh just take your win

[Noraa]

VOTE: Noraa

[Noraa]

gg i was town

[Noraa]

csf's vig is the only chance for town winning so shoot wisely

[Noraa]

game over then

[Noraa]

Yeah, I was confused about how my role actually worked, turns out it was permanent and not a one-shot.

I did find out after Flea's death, but chose to lie about it to hopefully get scum to shoot me still... Which indeed worked out!

i thought you would busdrive with galron because that seemed like the obvious action. funny that csf and i thought differently both times.
csf was right once. i was right once

[Noraa]

why not? busdrives dont affect his shot. all it does is take the nk on him and shift it onto you.

[Noraa]

in hindsight, doing that might lose town the game but mech wise it did make sense at the time.

[Noraa]

no galrons role was the most worth bodyguarding for because of the vig shot.

[Noraa]

mech wise at least