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[Andante]

so are we doing anything or just staring at each other for 4 days?

[Andante]

yeah, no thanks. I think I'm pretty clearly town, and the fact I would've gotten Umlaut before eye's stunt... is just annoying to me, and Stephen, I really doubt you're sitting there "reading" for a week... Umlaut has had a post count LOWER THAN DATISI the entire game. I knew that looked odd considering next lowest was well above, and clearly we see why now. all umlaut has done all game has been push me back after I started pushing them, yet for those mis lims we had, umlaut was perfectly fine not limmiing me, like sure I didn't care that eyes ended up being town, conceeding as maf... as town? whatever... I genuinely thought hockey was maf, I was then prepared to have to really read in you two, thus even though I was 90% sure on umlaut, I waited to vote, cause yes, the worst had me genuinely believing you were maf Stephen, and I'm honestly still not convinced you're not slowrolling maf, but Umlaut here is not too convincing he's town, literally just copied me going "if you have any questions ask" like what? he said he could town case himself or whatever, and THAT is something I really want to see, cause nothing about Umlaut this game screams town. I'm just annoyed I have to show up every 36 hours here (just like you are) to prod dodge. like, can we just end the game? why is this a hard thing to do?

[Andante]

oh neat, it's a wall of text. next time I have to show up, I'm making a bigger wall

[Andante]

lol these posts are funny to me, nero was maf, this comes from make knowing their partner is town, so me, a town with a wrong read, can easily get pushed for it! the same thing as when a town SRs another town, and maf can step in like "I'm not so sure about that" that's the same vibe I get with this

Haven't done more catchup and probably won't have time to do more today since I'm at work (and then doing Valentine's Day stuff) but I like that both Fire and Frozen seem to have actually made the effort to read what I've written so far. And I also like that Frozen is arguing points with me even though I called her town.

scum are far more likely to claim a PR to get out of an elimination than town unless said town is a pr. Not impossible that we did hit a town pr and I guess the correct play might be to give him a day or 2

Agree with others this is ugly, that first sentence compresses to "town who isn't a PR is unlikely to say they are" which is not exactly a revelation.

I'm pretty sure Nero is town here

Why?

Umlaunt is "catching up" but knows the consensus is "NERO MAF!!" so Umlaunt is like "yeah nero is looking bad" sees me, then is like "why would you possibly tr nero here?" when like, I'm pretty sure I said why, it was more of like a vibes read, felt like nero was town there, until the claim then I got sold on nero maf, and I'll go look it up, but I'm pretty sure Umlaunt was one of the ones going at me for "voting a pr claim" when like, even night gs, when we have a backup, makes 0 sense...

[Andante]

I'm an even night gunsmith so lets not vote town and TW instead.

lol yeah no I'm leaving my vote

also I don't buy you're a town pr... you were on e-1 before,had like no reaction to it

I'm an even night gunsmith so lets not vote town and TW instead.

UNVOTE: Nero

Provisionally accepting this claim, may revisit later depending on what happens. Nero would be a good investigation target if someone has an investigation that distinguishes Town Gunsmith from Mafia [Whatever].

Hockey, can you say whether you are a backup gunsmith specifically, or a backup of something else? (No need to say what else if not gunsmith)

also I don't buy you're a town pr... you were on e-1 before,had like no reaction to it

Why is this bad? If I'm a PR I don't claim until I absolutely have to.

I felt like Nero was obviously a PR even D1 sad

Did you hint at this anywhere?

Nero, tell me why TW.

[Andante]

That's the claim, and then reactions to the claim. earlier, umlaunt was saying "nero didn't look good" or whatever (I quoted it, but it was throwing shade on nero) I know it's like 2000 posts later, but, the INSTANCT REACTION to nero's claim is like "must unvote! why is it bad nero never claimed before?" then like, jumping to nero's defense... there's no way I see town being like that in that situation. Instead you fished for more info on hockey's role specifically, like, WHO CARES WHAT HOCKEY'S CLAIM IS THERE??? nero was top fos, just claimed...

[Andante]

Actually no

VOTE: Andante

Instantly disbelieving a PR claim usually comes from scum imo

I felt like Nero was obviously a PR even D1 sad

Did you hint at this anywhere?

By not voting the Nero wagon?

That means you thought he was obviously town, not obviously a PR. I'm not saying you

should

have hinted at this just asking if you

did

.

if it comes from scum, and you've been "convinced" I'm scum, why have you like not pushed me AT ALL when we had 2 MLs... instead, you feel like Nero's push on me will gain traction, so then you go for me in that moment?

[Andante]

lol it's umlaut and nero!!! that's funny

lol

[Andante]

Nero, tell me why TW.

My scum vibes are tingling. I have a headache and I'm busy later today so I'll go into more detail later but basically I feel like he's just been floating around for most of the game and d1 he went from scum reading Greeting to hopping off Greeting for ???? reason.

based on how Nero interacted all game, there's no way this isn't S/S interaction... call it an "attempt to distance" or whatever you'd like, but, Nero and umlaunt are maf

[Andante]

VOTE: Andante

do you guys really think AD is town?

no,she is your buddy. and when you flip red,she's next

cause I'm not sure in what world (we know this is 2 maf talking to each other) the maf team is gonna push like this, but then, if I was there and aware that was going to happen, I'd just bus them harder? like, I literally unvote nero... what reason would I have to unvote, instead of continuing to tunnel Nero's bad claim, KNOWING both my partners were like "lol get andante" just doesn't make sense to me. Just like that night kill makes 0 sense. I HAVE SO MANY INTERACTIONS WITH SCORP AND NERO.... Umlaunt, you thought you could survive a 1v1 with me? bring it, I would LOVE TO SEE why I'm maf. cause apparently you're convinced I'm maf, thus you had zero issue voting me, but I haven't even seen a legit reason from you for why I'm maf all game

[Andante]

@Stephen, if you want to look at that page 98, 99 stuff with the claim, I think that's honestly really good evidence for why I can't be maf here

[Andante]

Instantly disbelieving a PR claim usually comes from scum imo

I find the opposite is true... scum suffer from TMI, thus they often feel like they *have* to believe claims or else they will look bad once it turns out they are wrong

the only times I've seen someone instantly disbelieve a pre-lylo claim (except a guilty on themself, of course), they've been town

in fact just yesterday fire did not believe hockey's claim. how was that different?

Agree with wave here like, me INSTANTLY disbelieving the claim, how the heck would I be maf there? ok I guess this is gonna be "partners, and thus you're bussing.. ok right, I'll find the next posts which are definitely a bus!!

[Andante]

can the people who do not believe nero's claim please take a stance on hockeyfan. are they scum fakeclaiming GS and backup GS together? and why do you believe so

"I'm an even night role, and tonight is an even night. let me live 1 more night!" that just screams JOAT/strongarm

Ah yes, bussing my partner and calling him a JOAT, when he definitely wasn't...

[Andante]

VOTE: eyes
if we can't yeet a pr, I'm down to yeet the one who voluntarily claimed VT d1

Like, if I'm bussing nero... I say this? no. if I'm bussing, I think I'd commit to a bus, full send. no brakes

[Andante]

in general I've found Andante's play all over the place and still think her saying that she would/wouldn't/would vote Nero depending on whether that's where the town is going at that moment to be awful, particularly on the condition Nero is town.

You think me being all over the place is bad? it's called a natural progression of reads, one which you never stopped to ask me "Hey andante, what made you flip from this read to that read?" no, it's cause you're maf and you don't actually care why I flipped, my flip from tr to sr only became bad because it was your partner, and you're trying to use that as fuel so partner doesn't die

[Andante]

is Nero's role mechanically possible? I need the big brains for this one.

How would it not be possible? Even-Night Gunsmith is a normal role, that's all that's required.

Instantly jumping to defend nero, but this time interaction with your partner "for distance"

[Andante]

I swear we are never going to kill eyes lol

If there is a vigilante please for the love of god shoot eyes tyvm

Do you really believe scum doubles down on a VT claim when told someone has a mech guilty on them?

stems from having TMI, you know eyes town, know town has a wrong read... so you feel "by correcting" that read, town points.... right

[Andante]

imo the only question is if it makes sense for the setup to have an even-night gunsmith and then a backup gunsmith (which is apparently not even-night). and to that i really have no idea

this was my exact thought process with the claim, like, if backup is "more powerful" makes NO SENSE... yet Umlaut jumped straight to defending the claim, no questions about it

[Andante]

I swear we are never going to kill eyes lol

If there is a vigilante please for the love of god shoot eyes tyvm

Do you really believe scum doubles down on a VT claim when told someone has a mech guilty on them?

Yes what is the other option

Claim like Ascetic Visitor or some other low- to negative-utility role, and say you were happy to eat a launch because you were probably worse than a VT anyway.

That's a scum claim. If you didn't claim ascetic in first post...

Went silent after this post, Dwlee going "well that'd be claiming scum" and Umlaut probably was like "oh no! panic! I'm towny no more?? I'll just dissapear, since I've been TRed thus far for doing nothing"

[Andante]

Like, I honestly think the most compelling evidence here is just, Umlaut dissapeard every time something significant happened, and when he was therre it was just something with "distancing" with partners, or just a dash of TMI, like, I don't believe Umlaut read much of the game. cause the progression of umlaut, doesn't exactly follow what's happening in the game, it's close, but it's not reactions I see coming from town.

I think I'll just leave it at that, stop "spamming" I probably could go on, but hey, now I feel a bit better in the event Stephen does want to hammer me here, at least I've put forth some effort, I mean if I keep going, we could have datisi post more VCs and then end the game with a higher post cunt than umlaut... but, I think I've said enough, I'm really not sure how I could be viewed as town, so like, I really want to know the angle umlaut was going for here choosing to take me to final 3 over dwlee, like umlaut, give me something lol, why are you town? why am I maf? I WANT SOMETHING PLEASE!!!

[Andante]

next post can have the top of the page

[Andante]

imo the only question is if it makes sense for the setup to have an even-night gunsmith and then a backup gunsmith (which is apparently not even-night). and to that i really have no idea

this was my exact thought process with the claim, like, if backup is "more powerful" makes NO SENSE... yet Umlaut jumped straight to defending the claim, no questions about it

I still don't see why this was ever implausible. Like, it's not how the setup worked out to be but I think even-night gunsmith + backup gunsmith could make sense in some setup. Your "disbelieving" it smacks of TMI. Like you were in "busing Nero" mode and not prepared to back away from it yet even though it didn't even make sense there.

I am super IRL busy and will respond to the rest over the weekend but grabbed this post to answer now because it is short

See I already addressed the "bussing part" if I was bussing, why would I unvote Nero at all? You really think it's plausible we have an even night role, and a regular backup?? Like I believe I even said, if nero was real, why not just kill the even night and let us have a full gs? If you want to call that TMI, I sure can call a lot of your posts TMI.... like, anytime you questioned/came up with a read it felt so weird... likely stemmed from TMI. The fact you picked this post to respond to to "avoid being prodded" and you didn't read any of the other... like, later I go "so it could be argued bussing, but here's why it can't be" so maybe you did read them all, and really don't have a good reason to defend there, and are like "andante knows this can be seen as bussing, easy I'll go with that! then I don't have to do anything for 36 hours"

[Andante]

is Nero's role mechanically possible? I need the big brains for this one.

How would it not be possible? Even-Night Gunsmith is a normal role, that's all that's required.

Instantly jumping to defend nero, but this time interaction with your partner "for distance"

I love how you are taking the fact it doesn't make sense for me to argue with Scorpius about this if we're scum buddies and then using it as a reason we are because "he just did it to look good"

It doesn't make sense... you like only talked to nero, scorp and dwlee, and anytime there was anything serious, you disappeared, so my guess is by talking with partners, you felt safe. you could say anything you wanted and they wouldn't flip onto you, and dwlee was so focused on eyes that there was like no way they flip to anyone else

[Andante]

pls dont respond to everything she said

just give me your #1 best reason why andante is mafia or you are town(can give me one of each if you like)

wall of text back and forths are just not very useful.

notice how Umlaut said they could town case themself, and still haven't done that... instead they responds to my posts saying stuff I already defended...

[Andante]

VOTE: eyes
if we can't yeet a pr, I'm down to yeet the one who voluntarily claimed VT d1

Like, if I'm bussing nero... I say this? no. if I'm bussing, I think I'd commit to a bus, full send. no brakes

Umlaut saw "im bussing my partner" and went, good idea! that's the angle I'm pushing now!!

[Andante]

the more neither yall do anything the more annoyed I'm getting, so maybe I'll just go through all Umlaut's posts today tbh

[Andante]

Like Umlaut, ok I'm bussing sure go with that story, but what have YOU done this game?

I know you were specifically defending Nero, umm that's about all I recall with you and scorp/nero...

[Andante]

Also, as a real-world request to Andante the person, please don"t insinuate I am lying about being IRL busy, as you are with comments like the end of 3278.

Anyone who has seen my town and scum games knows my activity and engagement level vary a lot and cannot be used to predict my alignment. You probably don't know that and I know you have to make the most convincing case you can to Stephen and see whatever you can find even though you know I'm town, but it actually does bother me to be accused of lying about RL stuff. So, like, do your thing but leave that part out please?

Sorry, not trying to specifically call you out cause you're busy, it's more like, when you are here, it's what you choose to focus on, like I get it we're all busy, I don't expect everyone here to just dedicate a month of their life only to this game.. idk it's whatever I only have 2 days left of this.

As annoyed as I am that stephen literally won't just vote Umlaut, I guess I can understand this whole "giving Umlaut a chance to defend themself" thing even though Umlaut is choosing to do everything but that right now...

Umlaut: I could town case myself
Me: Yeah do that I really want to see
Umlaut: Says I'm bussing
gg good talk.

[Andante]

lol Datisi I'm laughing way too hard at your VC notes though XD I could just unvote and re vote every page.... lol jk I won't do that.. only a maximum of 59 hours left of this... wooooo technically I only need to dodge a prod once in that

[Andante]

well fwiw you know im leaning towards voting for umlaut since if i wanted to vote for you i wouldnt ask umlaut for _____ so.

lol I mean, when I was reading through it looked like you had the exact same thoughts on umlaut as me, so I'm not super concerned, just was bored and felt like putting in a bunch of effort here!! also just wanted to make sure last minute you weren't gonna be like "haha voting andante!!" cause I'm town!!!

[Andante]

So you're town cause you had no doubt in your mind those 2 were maf? and that those lims couldn't have happened without you?? Like, the fact you "never doubted them being maf for a second" ?? like what??

I was literally pushing nero cause of the claim and you were like "that's probably real" or whatever...

"But I was more instrumental than, say, Andante was." excuse me? you literally can't argue you were more instrumental than me on any of the lims... like yeah sure, I didn't "KNOW" either of them were maf, but there's absolutely no way you did more than me with either of them... and like those 2 were easy, I'm pretty sure scorp was guiltied, and Nero was pushed by Frozen, got forced to claim then that was that, like, none of us here had some significant role in the lim of either of them... THEY WERE BOTH JUST HANDED TO US ON A SILVER PLATTER... idk this is just, I'm not even going there... you did not have this "significant role"

Saying "This unvote is the only reason I wasn't consistently voting scum throughout all of days 1-3." like really?? all you did was like push me back cause I pushed you, that's legit all I remember from you this game without looking back, and looking back with the nero stuff, you were all "yeah nero real, why you pushing nero so much andante"

[Andante]

I'm so glad this game is over in a max of 20 hours, I'm legit so over this

[Andante]

Stephen, I know you tr me, idk why you have to drag it out so much here... like sure I get "giving umlaut a chance" but this day 6 has been ... "I will wait till the last possible second to say something... even though I instantly voted andante over stephen" like, hello?? umlaut... just stating the obvious here, but you never said why you picked me over stephen so quickly.. like, you never considered for a second stephen maf? means you just went into this day with the intent to tunnel me... which if I say so myself, has been a pretty terrible tunnel

[Andante]

you really think I'm maf? tell me why. lets go, let's talk about it

[Andante]

wooo gg I was maf lol

[Andante]

wooo gg!! good job town!!! and great hammer pooky!!!

[Andante]

LMAOO that dead chat was amazing!!! every single dead person was convinced it was me? hahahaha love it!! so many funny things in dead chat though!! thanks for modding Datisi!!! lol betting your avatar on if they could guess me being town.... lol

[Andante]

Eyes, I'm genuinely curious, what was the strategy behind surrendering as scum.... as town?