Mini Normal 2262: NbITGBSMoD [game over]

[Dwlee99]

Thonk

[Dwlee99]

Umlaut who is third scum

[Dwlee99]

Wave you have a vigilante shot, correct?

[Dwlee99]

Scorpious, if you're town a one for one is still fine/winning for us so you should probably just try to give last guess on scum cause wave doesn't live tomorrow if you flip VT

[Dwlee99]

Why those and why with wave

[Dwlee99]

Is there seriously a gunsmith and no vigilante datisi you troll

[Dwlee99]

What does that mean

[Dwlee99]

We should be voting out scorpious here imo

Sure there's the paranoia but also maybe scum had reason to suspect gunsmith? It's also a decently common fake claim so idk

[Dwlee99]

Actually... why would scum have an alien and a jailkeeper? Mm am I overthinking this?

[Dwlee99]

Combined roleblocker rolestopper - roleblocks and prevents roles from successfully targeting the target

Alien enabler implies alien of some sort exists. Town or scum I'm not sure. But if scum they probably wouldn't give scum a jailkeeper and an alien

[Dwlee99]

There's also the question of — who would scorpious have jailkept? If I were scum I'd have blocked the 1-shot rolecop claim (I never actually believed the 1-shot part, didn't expect follower though)

[Dwlee99]

But Scorpious didn't block the rolecop claim so... who would he have? If someone is a town alien you should probably claim

[Dwlee99]

dont have to tell me twice to vote scorp
VOTE: Scoepious

I’m thinking it is but can we confirm this is valid?

Confirm what as valid?

[Dwlee99]

For what it's worth, I also think it's weird that they have an alien enabler and a jailkeeper

If I were fakeclaiming I would have just said he abducted. Or just left that part out, the nightkill was enough

As it stands all I can say is, that's a Datisi setup for you lol

That's gonna be counted as a vote yea

[Dwlee99]

You keep doing this "why would scum not try to claim something compatible" thing but combined jailkeeper vigilante is so ridiculous idk how that's more convincing than going "no you"

[Dwlee99]

Last time you dreamt something wasn't it horribly wrong

[Dwlee99]

UNVOTE: Scorpius

I need to think a little more about this. Scorp was

hard

pushing the Nero wagon yesterday and didn't even back off after his claim which would have been the natural time for distancing scum to find something else to do. And claiming VT instead of something possibly compatible with Wave's result is a weird move for scum. (Though also it would be hard to come up with anything compatible with that result so maybe not

so

so weird but still a little weird.)

I don't see a reason for scum!wave to 1v1 Scorpius like this but people do dumb things all the time. Probably the best way to resolve it is just to launch Scorp. But all the same I want to think about whether I really believe it or not

Also: a bit of tinfoil here but if you're scum and you have to deal with a gunsmith, a backup gunsmith, and a rolecop, maybe you purposefully bus the alien enabler to prevent an alien from protecting the gunsmith?

[Dwlee99]

I thought the way Nero approached his wagon was a PR tell. When he reached E-1 he continued just doing whatever instead of immediately claiming which reminded me of when I was a vigilante and did the same thing. My post here

Nero? Rabbit? Yay or nay?

Was a reference to dogs vs cats mafia where nero was a vigilante cause I thought he could be a vigilante this game based on him responding similarly to the way I did when I was a vigilante to being wagoned

@Stephen

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Scorpious
I'm good going here.

I am reminded by a voice in my head (it's Koba's): read > mech

[Dwlee99]

Every tell is behavioral what are you on

Also I felt like scorpious has played similarly when run up but he's probably just scum

[Dwlee99]

It means we should hammer scorpious

[Dwlee99]

UNVOTE:
Wait I'm overthinking again

[Dwlee99]

I townread wave though

[Dwlee99]

Weirdest thing to me is the rolecop follower being only two roles thing

And jailkeeper

[Dwlee99]

Fine
VOTE: Scorpious

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Eyes
Imagine if I was right this whole time that'd be zany

Also yea idk why scum didn't kill the gunsmith unless they have a scum doc

[Dwlee99]

Btw I'm gonna claim now because I'm confused af.

I'm a backup vigilante. If you're a vigilante... like... why haven't you shot? Unless I'm just meant as a gunsmith Miller but that's lame

[Dwlee99]

Any useful results?

[Dwlee99]

I don't think you or hockey is scum - and I disagree with your assessment of the power of the roles we have right now.

[Dwlee99]

viewtopic.php?p=13072187#p13072187

Compare to this game I modded:

Setup

Mafia Mailman
Mafia Combined Rolecop Voyeur
Mafia Bulletproof Ascetic
Town Novice Traffic Analyst
Town One-shot Cop
Town Simple Jailkeeper Neighbor
Town Neighbor
Town Compulsive JOAT (Neighborize, Complex Rolecop, Lazy Roleblock)
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie

Arguably there's more town power in that game than in this one. And here we have a scum roleblocking role (jailkeeper) + an enabler on a strong town role (alien).

[Dwlee99]

Alien voyeur is so weird though. Voyeur does nothing until the alien enabler dies.

[Dwlee99]

Spoiler: some of my softs btw this isn't all of them probably but you can tell I had "vig is in this game" vibe from the beginning

Look Nero could be scum here and be right about this

scum and right? which team are you playing for here lol

VOTE: Nero Cain

As promised. I am down to yeet him or the duck right now.

I'll get duck tomorrow!!! (or tonight )

Whatever team you're on

I was informed pregame you're town

I was informed pregame you're town

hmmmm

I'm your sheep now baaa

[spoiler For Andante ONLY/ Eyes please /spoiler]

Andante get rid of eyes please

Andante, not ducks, eyes

Also why are you being so obvious

Gunsmith implies vigilante and based on Nero's claim and no shot N1, I'm guessing there is an even-night vigilante out there. So we can hopefully conftown that player tomorrow and shoot into the poe tonight.

[Dwlee99]

Eh jailkeeper (which is sort of effectively what your role is?) breaks follow the cop

[Dwlee99]

Like scum have a roleblock + your protect roleblocks. Gunsmith + backup gunsmith probably get off on average two checks which isn't that strong when two town roles (role cop + backup vigilante) are gunsmith millers. Role cop can get one inno - me, and otherwise just gives setup info.

[Dwlee99]

this is just hockeyfan downgrading his claim to make it plausible for him to survive into endgame rofl

That's false - wave mode role copped him and said 1-shot gunsmith at the time

[Dwlee99]

what if I told you that I'm a 1-shot rolecop and I know for a fact that hockeyfan is a backup 1-shot gunsmith

so my knee jerk reaction to nero's claim was, how did he know to claim gunsmith of all things? hockey had not told us what he was a backup for

unless they are mafia GS and mafia backup GS? which, wow wtf. but it's technically possible I suppose. still, it's strange to claim that together and become joined at the hip (the typical risk associated with mason fakeclaims)

Okay be back later

[Dwlee99]

I mean I think eyes or umlaut

[Dwlee99]

I think the way hockey didn't personally clarify 1-shot was kinda townie as well idk

[Dwlee99]

Nero claimed gunsmith and then I attempted to wagon Scorpious. Did that feel "theatrey?"

[Dwlee99]

Spoiler: receipts

VOTE: Scorpius
Whatever. I think this is scum (and with eyes)

Andante
the worst
Umlaut
Scorpious
Eyes without a face

In preference order (highest most want to lim)

Eyes
Scorpius
Umlaut
The Worst/Andante (kinda same feeling of just like "meh poe")

Stephen I need you to help me out here and not push on Hockey who is near conftown right now unless the team is like Nero/Hockey/Eyes exactly.

vote count 2.08

with 11 votes in play, it takes 6 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-02-28 12:45:00).

yeet

Nero Cain [3]:

Stephen A Smith, Andante, the worst

Scorpious [2]:

wavemode, HockeyFan

Andante [2]:

Nero Cain, Umlaut

the worst [2]:

Eyes without a face, Scorpious

Eyes without a face [1]:

Dwlee99

not voting [1]:

fireisredsir

mod notes

~ this is a mod note.

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VOTE: Scorpius
Whatever. I think this is scum (and with eyes)

lets try this one more time..

VOTE: Nero

Like c'mon just vote Scorpius. Maybe when this flips red the vigilante will put some amount of faith in me and shoot eyes too

NERO ahhh

I want Scorpious or eyes. If you can't do those for whatever reason I need more than "let's get Andante instead"

will u accept "wanted to eliminate the EN GS so mafia (presumably her team) can shoot the backup"

No

Is there a particular reason to lim eyes over scorpious today?

Like okay I understand I've been pushing eyes longer but I felt like scorpious had more traction to begin with but now it's all going to Eyes? And I'm not quite sure why

I also feel better about the likely hypothetical vigilante shooting the VT claim over an unclaimed person (scorpious)

Okay mb
VOTE: Nero
Scorpious/Eyes still need to be looked into

Andante probably town off this

Okay I still think scorpious looks bad

Ugh fuck okay

I thought no CC meant Nero was town, sorry steph

[Dwlee99]

like did you really think there were 2 town backups in the same game?

I thought his claim fit in the setup with mine. I thought us both being backups made his claim more likely, not less, that is.

[Dwlee99]

Because if I'm a backup then that means Datisi likes backups or will put them in a setup. At the time I thought it was likely to be a backup kind of setup, which was confirmed when Nero flipped enabler cause they fit in a similar mental state to me as backups. Like the roles that are secondary to others in some way (main role + backup, main role + enabler) if that makes sense

[Dwlee99]

Ex. vig + backup, invest/protect + backup, invest/protect, scum power was what I was expecting

[Dwlee99]

It also hadn't been claimed yet but yea I expected gunsmith with me being backup vig.

[Dwlee99]

Oh I wanted to address Umlaut saying he wants to ignore my claim: I mean, kinda fair, but also I've been very consistently making posts that are in line with being a backup vigilante. I could probably set this up as scum if I planned it early enough, but I wouldn't have a way to know there's a gunsmith on D1 for instance which makes this less likely than me just actually being backup vigilante (which I think also makes sense in the setup as a role cop + gunsmith target).

[Dwlee99]

Nero? Rabbit? Yay or nay?

Oh also this post I already explained as asking Nero if he was a vigilante, but it makes even more sense when you know I was specifically vigilante hunting cause I'm backup vigilante.

[Dwlee99]

i guess we can kill eyes if everyone wants to

I guess we can

Back to dayplay: this just feels like scum resigned here being solo + hard poe'd and suspected.

[Dwlee99]

I think you have to say it in the scum PT for it to work

[Dwlee99]

Yo does anyone know who eyes is btw

[Dwlee99]

So, how come you pinned me down from the start of the game, Dwlee? I don't think I gave out many scumtells.

It was kinda a vibe thing. I just felt like your posts didn't read very genuine is the simplest way to put it.

[Dwlee99]

This is false

I defended nero lol

[Dwlee99]

My top suspects right now in no order are

Nero, Andante, Eye

Everyone else did something or was consistent overall to make me feel better about them

Wave and greeting like my top town read right now
Guess I have the worst, greeting right after
then fire, dwlee and Stephen and umalut
then scorpious and hockey

and for suspects, I sill go with andante, eye, and nero in that order with nero on bottom

I really want to see nero red flip. please help me make that happen

^^ real MVP

[Dwlee99]

this is worth noting. frozen is already 2/4 in [nero, scorp, andante, eyes] and if my gut is right, she is probably 3/3.
i think she is killed regardless of andante's alignment at this point.

Also this

[Dwlee99]

I think if you had flipped town I would have been looking primarily at Umlaut. I was pretty locked on Stephen/Hockey both being town. Andante seemed townie especially off the flips and the worst was good posting today. Umlaut seemed pretty null and I could have seen him being scum here if you weren't but I kinda just felt "not particularly townie" rather than "scummy" on him.

[Dwlee99]

@Dwlee: Ok that's half n answer though. What id you were the last scum here. Who and how would you have tried to yeet next?

I'd have tried to yeet umlaut -> andante -> duck if I were you, but obviously it kind of depends on what direction the thread goes so you have to play it by ear. If you could find a way to support a hockey lim or a lim on me it is plausible you could get it as well but it would definitely be an uphill battle.

[Dwlee99]

Translation: I was pulling everyone's leg (especially Dwlee) to see how they reacted. With 2 misyeets in hand this could not have gone wrong even if it did result in my misyeet.

uhhhh I want to kill you still LOL

[Dwlee99]

what's an alien voyer?

Alien is a combined rolestopper roleblocker, voyeur can see what kind of action was performed on a player.

[Dwlee99]

Yea that's a follower not a voyeur

[Dwlee99]

"Scum killed a VT" is not a convincing reason to lim a PR. I still think Umlaut is our best shot.

[Dwlee99]

if im mafia rb how did u get a no gun check on me?

This kind of looks like a slip (from Hockey). Either:

1. town!Hockey investigated and cleared Stephen and then forgot about it somehow
2. scum!Hockey made up a result on Stephen because he has to give one, then forgot because he never really cared

Of these 2 seems more plausible to me and definitely more plausible than Stephen being a Mafia Doctor (particularly given Dwlee as Town Backups Vigilante already serves the purpose of being a misleading result for gunsmith; misleading results in both directions seems like overkill)

Except mafia!hockey would also use the gunsmith so?

Hockey is confirmed to be a backup 1-shot gunsmith. This post is silly with that consideration.

[Dwlee99]

i am convinced the last scum is between dwlee and hockeyfan

I don't agree with you.

[Dwlee99]

we can now lim all the VTs

[Dwlee99]

Okay I suck so what

[Dwlee99]

Yes maf can be backup to a town role. I don't think it's the case though. Also, def not 4 scum game so I can't be w/ Andante.

[Dwlee99]

Unless roleblocker/doctor. That'd be cap though

If Stephen is scum, then scorpious jailkept fireisred N1.

[Dwlee99]

Isn't it literally just hockey

[Dwlee99]

But Stephen

We could do our quickhammer routine on Umlaut

[Dwlee99]

Isn't it literally just hockey

what? what makes u come to this thought process,


anwyays im fine with quickhammerign umulat here

You're missing the context

[Dwlee99]

"isn't it just" is referring to people calling Stephen scum

[Dwlee99]

I won't be yeeting Andante or Stephen here. Backup 1-shot gunsmith just like... why is that a scum role? I don't get it. Plausible deniability on a gunsmith check? Is that what we think?

[Dwlee99]

Umlaut but I understand you don't want to trust me cause <eyes> and <Nero> and <I was like scorpious die but then overthought a little>

[Dwlee99]

Busy today (it's my partner's birthday!!) but popping in to echo the wtf

At first glance I think we have to have scum in the PR claims because there is no other way that kill makes sense to me.

I am totally biased btw but: this is just like... pushing a narrow view through the lens of the night kill which is ???

[Dwlee99]

That's my point exactly

[Dwlee99]

I mean sometimes I'm good but then I also can blunder. Reminds me of when I play chess. Sometimes I see some brilliant tactic and other times I walk into a fork for no reason

[Dwlee99]

I just don't think 1-shot backup gunsmith is a scum role in the setup. I mean can it serve as scum utility to find role cop + plausible deniability of a guilty? Yes. But... role cop doesn't get results after N2 anyway, by which time mafia might have the gunsmith (assuming town doesn't test the gunsmith day one) but then they can't kill to prevent any results. Or they find me and think I'm a cop and kill me or something but that's not useful either idk.

[Dwlee99]

Test -> yeet

[Dwlee99]

Gunsmith just isn't THAT strong tbh. And 1-shot backup gunsmith kinda gives scum two "role cop inno looking things"

Although I see how the setup kinda has me/Nero as opposing alignment similar theme things.

[Dwlee99]

With my conception of balance I think like roles always seem stronger than they really are at least to me. Cause half the time town does some dumb shit for no reason. Like someone got a gunsmith clear on me and then immediately claimed that I must be a mafia doctor and voted me D2. They were convinced me not having a gun was MORE scum indicative than less lmao

Idk, my point is, setup seems balanced fun with the 1-shot backup gunsmith so it just doesn't particularly strike me as like a "this is a role that scum would have" thing. I also think hockey is just moderately townie by play

[Dwlee99]

there's at least 2 scum roles that show up guilty to gunsmith

Probably 3 really. The point is it also gets guilty to 3 townies which is just as likely as randomly selecting a mafia going into D1 mislim.

[Dwlee99]

Umlaut are you really just gonna ignore this entire discussion and E-1 hockey?

[Dwlee99]

Yea actually scum should kill the claimed investigative especially if they can't block it

[Dwlee99]

Stephen what are you even doing

[Dwlee99]

So remember when Nero claimed gunsmith, and I was like "let's kill scorpious now?" Okay now that you're with me lemme grab something

[Dwlee99]

Spoiler: many a quote

vote count 2.08

with 11 votes in play, it takes 6 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-02-28 12:45:00).

yeet

Nero Cain [3]:

Stephen A Smith, Andante, the worst

Scorpious [2]:

wavemode, HockeyFan

Andante [2]:

Nero Cain, Umlaut

the worst [2]:

Eyes without a face, Scorpious

Eyes without a face [1]:

Dwlee99

not voting [1]:

fireisredsir

mod notes

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VOTE: Scorpius
Whatever. I think this is scum (and with eyes)

VOTE: eyes
if we can't yeet a pr, I'm down to yeet the one who voluntarily claimed VT d1

hey DW, lets kill AD

NERO ahhh

whatever

VOTE: eyes

cant wait to see how modtisi fucks me over this game

I want Scorpious or eyes. If you can't do those for whatever reason I need more than "let's get Andante instead"

VOTE: eyes let's make it happen people

Is there a particular reason to lim eyes over scorpious today?

Like okay I understand I've been pushing eyes longer but I felt like scorpious had more traction to begin with but now it's all going to Eyes? And I'm not quite sure why

I also feel better about the likely hypothetical vigilante shooting the VT claim over an unclaimed person (scorpious)

VOTE: eyes
if we can't yeet a pr, I'm down to yeet the one who voluntarily claimed VT d1

This logic doesn’t suck..

I’m at “fuck it “ levels right now..

People are giving roadmaps for fake claims and every single wagon fizzles because of whatever.

VOTE: Eyes

Okay so to summarize the contents: I tie scorpious Nero 3 to 3. Andante comes in "let's not yeet the PR, let's get... Eyes!" Now notice the wagons right. They're Nero + Scorpious. If she doesn't want to yeet a PR I feel like she could have instead voted for Scorpious. Now scorpious was unclaimed, but the point is there were literally no votes on eyes. The counterwagon WAS scorpious. And then Andante hopped on eyes and that popped off and I was like "uh what why eyes over Scorpious?" Okay so at the time I was like that's weird! but with Nero and Scorpious flipping scum I was like okay maybe all 3 were scum it's fine. Aha but eyes WASN'T scum.

Tldr; andante ignored the scorpious wagon, pushed eyes over both Scorpious and Nero despite wagon size, I think she is scum

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Andante
Placin my vote

[Dwlee99]

You didn't. You just ignored the already existing wagon.

[Dwlee99]

If you scumread Scorpious why didn't you vote him there? There were 3 votes on him and no votes on eyes.

[Dwlee99]

You ignored

[Dwlee99]

I mean you can look at the context

[Dwlee99]

I cannot convince you to self vote though so this is pointless

[Dwlee99]

Yea no rush there's uh 6 days to defend yourself if you're town here

[Dwlee99]

I mean I've been playing the whole game w/ vig assumption which at least shows if I fake claimed I was planning it very very early

[Dwlee99]

I also think my associatives with Nero + Scorpious are good. I was fooled by Nero's claim but then was trying to flip Scorpious which you'd see in my Andante case.

[Dwlee99]

but Dwlees case on adnante was decentish

uh excuse me what? how did Dwlee make a decent case?

Have you looked at the context? What did Eyes post that distracted you from the Nero v Scorpious wagons?

[Dwlee99]

Do not bring me to me/andante/you please

[Dwlee99]

Do you actually think Datisi will never ever give us a 5 TPR setup?? You're better than this shit assumption

[Dwlee99]

If you don't think it's Andante respond to my case from how she tries to counterwagon both scum D2 with no explanation beyond "Nero claimed PR" while Scorpious is unclaimed

[Dwlee99]

If you don't think it's Andante respond to my case from how she tries to counterwagon both scum D2 with no explanation beyond "Nero claimed PR" while Scorpious is unclaimed

[Dwlee99]

I do not agree

[Dwlee99]

I've not voted wrong in an ELO in a good while.

[Dwlee99]

If it ends up me/you/hockey I will do my good diligence and vote correctly

[Dwlee99]

Seriously though: the biggest thing that makes me ? hockey is them not dying. But if Andante flips mafia doctor or something that's resolved. And very possible. And 1-shot backup gunsmith like why is that a scum role in this setup please explain.

[Dwlee99]

To tell scum there's a gunsmith in the game...? Or?

[Dwlee99]

Stephen basically has to be town because the alien claim when not everyone was claimed and fireisred was roleblocked.

[Dwlee99]

Unrelated to his alignment though stephen is annoying me because he literally complained the even-night gunsmith + 1-shot backup gunsmith "didn't move the needle" but gunsmith + 1-shot backup gunsmith is too strong like make it make sense.

[Dwlee99]

Town voted you over literal confscum, not my fault homie

And if Nero gets limmed here y'all are throwing

I refuse to believe two of this town's tprs are Even Night Gunsmith and Backup Gunsmith because I hate gunsmiths

like on a power level

those literally don't move the needle

it's literally garbage

and considering you're claiming some kind of guilty on Eyes I think you should be skeptical too

unless I guess you're saying you're odd night gunsmith

which then lol fuck this setup

gunsmith + backup gunsmith is a shitload of power

Like fuck

Is it actually stephen here

Cause this makes no fucking sense

[Dwlee99]

Like paring this down

2524: Even-night gunsmith and backup gunsmith is literally garbage terrible fucking awful

2819: Gunsmith + backup gunsmith SO STRONG OP

??? Stephen ???

[Dwlee99]

Stephen is a good scumplayer ftr (their main is obv). And they know how to bus.

[Dwlee99]

UNVOTE:

Dear Stephen, I wrote you but still ain't callin'
I left my role, my reads, and my VCA at the bottom
I sent two scum lims back in autumn, you must not-a got 'em
There probably was a problem in the mod thread or somethin'
Sometimes I scribble reads too sloppy when I jot 'em

[Dwlee99]

Everyone else is VT right?

[Dwlee99]

the difference between a full gunsmith and an even night gunsmith is like huge


it is not twice as powerful. its like three times as powerful

That's fair ok
VOTE: Andante

[Dwlee99]

Stephen since you're alive over the worst you must consider you were left alive for a reason: push Hockey perhaps? Making decisions solely off night kills is bad of course but like consider that scum understand the implications of their actions ie killing a VT

[Dwlee99]

Like proposition: at least one of Hockey and I is town that vehemently believe the other is town as well. Now is it more likely one of us is completely snowing the other or that we are both town?

[Dwlee99]

Datisi is a great artist yes but he is also not that habitual. Even if he made a four TPR setup it's possible NRG went "hey let's put this one in (gunsmith miller) for balance"

[Dwlee99]

Yes and that is part of why I scumread Andante, she didn't push any of the flipped scum lol

[Dwlee99]

Like I had that exact Koba quote in mind thinking of her being scum

[Dwlee99]

Like proposition: at least one of Hockey and I is town that vehemently believe the other is town as well. Now is it more likely one of us is completely snowing the other or that we are both town?

also if you're scum you kind of have to defend hockey from me because you know if i kill hockey!town i come for you tomm and its awkward for you tomm

as long as you keep hockey alive i can't really tunnel you directly

also hockey is kind of convinced of you being town so why wouldnt you keep him alive if you're scum?

if anything its mad weird you are this convinced hockey is town because i dont see anything very clearing in hockey's iso.

If I were scum you'd probably be dead last night. But regardless, the angle I'm taking re: hockey could make sense from a scum perspective of wanting someone who townreads me alive/preventing limming in the PRs but it also makes sense from my perspective right now where I don't think 1-shot backup gunsmith makes any sense as a scum role.

Yes and that is part of why I scumread Andante, she didn't push any of the flipped scum lol

she voted for them didnt she

For like two seconds and then hopped off

Like I had that exact Koba quote in mind thinking of her being scum

wut you didnt even play this game

i guess koba says that in every game

I didn't click on your link tbh. Koba has said it multiple times though yea and even DM'd me once on discord like "btw if you ever play against andante <thing about bussing>"

[Dwlee99]

vote count 2.05

with 11 votes in play, it takes 6 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-02-28 12:45:00).

yeet

Eyes without a face [4]:

Dwlee99, fireisredsir, wavemode, the worst

Nero Cain [3]:

Stephen A Smith, Scorpious, Umlaut

Dwlee99 [2]:

HockeyFan, Eyes without a face

Scorpious [1]:

Nero Cain

Umlaut [1]:

Andante

not voting [0]:

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vote count 2.06

with 11 votes in play, it takes 6 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-02-28 12:45:00).

yeet

Eyes without a face [4]:

Dwlee99, fireisredsir, the worst, Andante

Nero Cain [3]:

Stephen A Smith, Scorpious, Umlaut

Dwlee99 [2]:

HockeyFan, Eyes without a face

Scorpious [2]:

Nero Cain, wavemode

not voting [0]:

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vote count 2.07

with 11 votes in play, it takes 6 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-02-28 12:45:00).

yeet

Nero Cain [5]:

Stephen A Smith, Scorpious, Umlaut, Andante, the worst

Scorpious [2]:

wavemode, HockeyFan

the worst [2]:

Eyes without a face, Nero Cain

Eyes without a face [1]:

Dwlee99

not voting [1]:

fireisredsir

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with 11 votes in play, it takes 6 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-02-28 12:45:00).

yeet

Nero Cain [3]:

Stephen A Smith, Andante, the worst

Scorpious [2]:

wavemode, HockeyFan

Andante [2]:

Nero Cain, Umlaut

the worst [2]:

Eyes without a face, Scorpious

Eyes without a face [1]:

Dwlee99

not voting [1]:

fireisredsir

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[Dwlee99]

Votes kinda unrelated. In reaction to Nero's claim Andante was very like "lol you suck"

but she's also kinda disappeared this game day when not being poked directly

which like whatever but also I don't get the feeling she is even trying to find the last scum right now

[Dwlee99]

For like two seconds and then hopped off

that's even worse than hard bussing

But the no bussing meta is that Andante won't really push her buddies. Her being on Nero and then hopping off the moment it might go through doesn't break that for me, neither does her being nero/scorpious and then when I actually try to push scorpious to completion randomly going to Eyes.

[Dwlee99]

I'm scared that if we vote hockey and he flips town we're gonna lose either by you being alive and voting me or by you being night killed and then final scum being like "well look, stephen scumread Dwlee and is dead!" and I'll lose my bajillionth ELO 1v1 as town.

[Dwlee99]

make your best town case for yourself and ill evaluate it in good faith i promise

okay tonight.

Some bulletpoints before I make like an actual big town case:

1.) Backup vig w/ assumption of vig very early in the game showcased throughout my ISO. Would have to be a planned fake very early.
2.) After Nero claimed even-night gunsmith I moved off eyes to push scorpious cause I thought his reaction to Nero's claim was shit
3.) Part of the reason even-night gunsmith made conceptual sense to me is I suspected even-night vig could exist which would kinda line up with my role and no n1 double kill
4.) Idk why I would kill the worst here besides to say "why would I kill the worst"

[Dwlee99]

1.) Backup vig w/ assumption of vig very early in the game showcased throughout my ISO. Would have to be a planned fake very early.

I respect your scum game enough for this to not really be a point in your favor lol

Okay but what about the other stuff

[Dwlee99]

There's also like. If I was scum what was stopping me from just limming hockey, killing you, and then being like wow silly stephen xP cause literally only you think I'm scum here

[Dwlee99]

When have you dunked on me as scum?

[Dwlee99]

Like closest I can even think of is when I townread your gimmick and even then I thought you were scum as I died.

[Dwlee99]

I guess there was my first experience with scum you but then I didn't fall for your tricks when it mattered most. And a lot of that was because infinity was saying you don't bus.

[Dwlee99]

I scumread you in cats v dogs and you had to murder me.
Achromatic I had you as scum.
Covered the art hydra

[Dwlee99]

I literally soft guilted your entire team in achromatic and still lost sob

[Dwlee99]

Anyway can you explain why hockey is scum without the numbers 4 or 5.

[Dwlee99]

If you're planning to autovote me tomorrow I want you limmed today regardless of your alignment

[Dwlee99]

I feel like you've not been reading my posts if that's the conclusion you've come to which makes it feel more like fake ate opposed to genuine frustration with me scumreading you

[Dwlee99]

I'm not voting you right now

[Dwlee99]

Votes kinda unrelated. In reaction to Nero's claim Andante was very like "lol you suck"

but she's also kinda disappeared this game day when not being poked directly

which like whatever but also I don't get the feeling she is even trying to find the last scum right now

I even made that point before you did

[Dwlee99]

Might just hammer hockey cause I'm kinda feeling like maybe it's really as simple as "scum didn't kill the investigative role" but it just feels too simple

[Dwlee99]

Also there's 2 people saying it's hockey or me, 1 person saying it's hockey or andante, 2 of those have to be town

[Dwlee99]

The thing is none of the hockey case is speaking my language. Like you have to meet me on a level that isn't 4 TPRs here Stephen. Not being night killed is part of my language but not fully

[Dwlee99]

I feel dumb for not knowing who Stephen's main is now that Dwlee said it's obvious :/

It's mostly obvious to me because he keeps referencing games we've both been in.

Might just hammer hockey cause I'm kinda feeling like maybe it's really as simple as "scum didn't kill the investigative role" but it just feels too simple

I have always been a big proponent of the virtue of simplicity. I think it is much more common for town to lose by WIFOMing themselves out of straightforward conclusions than by accepting them too easily.

Sometimes a simple conclusion is in fact too simple though. I just lost an ELO because scum killed a person w/ a slight scumread on me over conftown, even though I pointed out that the person killed had trajectory to townread me.

[Dwlee99]

(expired on 2022-03-11 00:01:26)

Will be here around this time. Will probably decide to hammer or not then.

[Dwlee99]

The timer is just after a couple hours after my exam tonight, not when day ends

[Dwlee99]

They killed wave the night you did have a check. Now scum could have thought wave was bluffing a second time about not having a third ability, but :shrug:

[Dwlee99]

Stephen I am begging you to case Hockey in some way if you really think it is between us two.

[Dwlee99]

Exam went fine btw

[Dwlee99]

I think I'm fine with the hammer here but if we lose I blame stephen

especially if he's mafia

[Dwlee99]

Then I will double blame you if andante is scum and hammers me.

[Dwlee99]

Pooky that was clutch af how did you do that

[Dwlee99]

Thanks for modding Datisi!