RH9's Micro Normal Review, March 2022

[RH9]

Am I allowed to egopost?

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Also. Can I change the

results

for the

Informed Townies

?

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The new

results

are the following.

Results

Spoiler: N1/N2

You know that if any member of the

Mafia

dies,

Daytalk

will be lost for all players.

Spoiler: N3/N4

You know that you are not the only

Informed Townie

and that all

Informed Townie

receive the same information.[/spoiler

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The new

results

are the following.

Results

Spoiler: N1/N2

You know that if any member of the

Mafia

dies,

Daytalk

will be lost for all players.

Spoiler: N3/N4

You know that you are not the only

Informed Townie

and that all

Informed Townie

receive the same information.

Fixed broken tags.

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i think this setup would be close to balanced in the one scenario where (1) everyone believes the informed townie claims and (2) scum doesn't claim a power role. in that scenario, the two informed townies are kind-of-masons, and the game would be close to passable range. (i say close since they're still weaker than a pair of masons since they cannot communicate with each other, but anyway.)

however, i think that exact scenario is very unlikely to happen.

the information received on n1 and n2 is very much useless since scum definitely isn't going to publicly claim encryptor, and due to the fact that there's only two scum, it can be argued that the daytalk is "lost" as soon as one of them dies anyway since the other scum doesn't have anyone to talk to.

the only scenario where that information isn't useless is if one of the informed townies claims their information, and then the other backs them up, saying they received the same information. however, if this happens on d3 (meaning before either of them gets the info that they're not the only informed townie), it could be argued that one of them is scum (since informed is more often a scum role than a town role anyway), and depending on the player base, they might be expecting weird interactions in setups. so it's not a clear exactly, and a smart fakeclaim form scum could get them killed.

so yeah, this feels way too weak for town. did you have any additional ideas for the setup?

I considered replacing the

Informed Townies

with an

Informed Mason

and

Mason Encryptor

.

Spoiler: Results For Informed Mason

You know that if a certain member of the

Mafia

dies,

Daytalk

will be lost for all players, but eliminating the other will cause only the

Mafia

to lose it.

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If he's fine with it, I will make the new Role PMs.

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If he's fine with it, I will make the new Role PMs.

For the

Masons

.
It will probably go like the following.

"You are

Masons

with … and you share a PT located here where you may converse during the Night and confirmation phase."

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I will work more on that when I get back from school.
When I'm done, I will post the new sample PMs here.

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Got that.

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Though, when I post the sample Role PMs, may you check for any errors?

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Here is the updated setup and Role PMs.

Setup

5 Vanilla Townies

Informed Town Mason

Town Mason Encryptor

Mafia Encryptor

Mafia Encryptor Enabler

Roles

Spoiler: Vanilla Townie

Welcome to game! You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no active abilities.

You win if all threats to the

Town

are eliminated and at least one

Town

-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying to this PM with your role and alignment.

Spoiler: Informed Town Mason

Welcome to game! You are an

Informed Town Mason

.

You know additional information about the setup: If a certain member of the

Mafia

dies,

Daytalk

will be lost for all players, but eliminating the other will cause only the

Mafia

to lose it.
You are

Masons

with …, who is guaranteed to also be

Town

, and you share a PT located here where you may converse during the Night and confirmation phase.

You have no active abilities.

You win if all threats to the

Town

are eliminated and at least one

Town

-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying to this PM with your role and alignment.

Spoiler: Town Mason Encryptor

Welcome to game! You are a

Town Mason Encryptor.

You are

Masons

with …, who is guaranteed to also be

Town

, and you share a PT located here where you may converse during the Night and confirmation phase.
You, and anyone else present, may talk in Private Topics containing you even during the Day.

You have no active abilities.

You win if all threats to the

Town

are eliminated and at least one

Town

-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying to this PM with your role and alignment.

Spoiler: Mafia Encryptor

Welcome to game! You are a

Mafia Encryptor

.

You are

Mafia

with … and you share a PT located here where you may converse during the Night and confirmation phase.
You, and anyone else present, may talk in Private Topics containing you even during the Day.

You have the following active ability:

Each Night, if no other member of your faction is performing this action, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, that player will die.
You win if at least one

Mafia

member is alive and all other players are dead (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Confirm by posting in the

Mafia

PT or by replying to this PM with your role and alignment.

Spoiler: Mafia Encryptor Enabler

Welcome to game! You are a

Mafia Encryptor Enabler

.

You are

Mafia

with … and you share a PT located here where you may converse during the Night and confirmation phase.
When you die, the role "Encryptor" will cease to function for all players.

You have the following active ability:

Each Night, if no other member of your faction is performing this action, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, that player will die.
You win if at least one

Mafia

member is alive and all other players are dead (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Confirm by posting in the

Mafia

PT or by replying to this PM with your role and alignment.

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Here is the updated setup and Role PMs.

Setup

5 Vanilla Townies

Informed Town Mason

Town Mason Encryptor

Mafia Encryptor

Mafia Encryptor Enabler

Roles

Spoiler: Vanilla Townie

Welcome to game! You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no active abilities.

You win if all threats to the

Town

are eliminated and at least one

Town

-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying to this PM with your role and alignment.

Spoiler: Informed Town Mason

Welcome to game! You are an

Informed Town Mason

.

You know additional information about the setup: If a certain member of the

Mafia

dies,

Daytalk

will be lost for all players, but eliminating the other will cause only the

Mafia

to lose it.
You are

Masons

with …, who is guaranteed to also be

Town

, and you share a PT located here where you may converse during the Night and during Pregame.

You have no active abilities.

You win if all threats to the

Town

are eliminated and at least one

Town

-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying to this PM with your role and alignment.

Spoiler: Town Mason Encryptor

Welcome to game! You are a

Town Mason Encryptor.

You are

Masons

with …, who is guaranteed to also be

Town

, and you share a PT located here where you may converse during the Night and during Pregame.
You, and anyone else present, may talk in Private Topics containing you even during the Day.

You have no active abilities.

You win if all threats to the

Town

are eliminated and at least one

Town

-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying to this PM with your role and alignment.

Spoiler: Mafia Encryptor

Welcome to game! You are a

Mafia Encryptor

.

You are

Mafia

with … and you share a PT located here where you may converse during the Night and during Pregame.
You, and anyone else present, may talk in Private Topics containing you even during the Day.

You have the following active ability:

• Each Night, if no other member of your faction is performing this action, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, that player will die.

You win if at least one

Mafia

member is alive and all other players are dead (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Confirm by posting in the

Mafia

PT or by replying to this PM with your role and alignment.

Spoiler: Mafia Encryptor Enabler

Welcome to game! You are a

Mafia Encryptor Enabler

.

You are

Mafia

with … and you share a PT located here where you may converse during the Night and during Pregame.
When you die, the role "Encryptor" will cease to function for all players.

You have the following active ability:

• Each Night, if no other member of your faction is performing this action, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, that player will die.

You win if at least one

Mafia

member is alive and all other players are dead (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Confirm by posting in the

Mafia

PT or by replying to this PM with your role and alignment.

EBWOP
I fixed some minor errors in the Sample Role PMs. (In other words, forgetting the list tag for the

Mafia

PM.)
I also made some minor changes to the vocabulary.

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Also, would I be permitted to change the word 'dead' to 'departed' and 'alive' to 'remaining'? (And change 'die' to 'depart'?)

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Also, would I be permitted to change the word 'dead' to 'departed' and 'alive' to 'remaining'? (And change 'die' to 'depart'?)

(I mean when I run the game for the OP. I am aware that flavour isn't allowed in Role PMs.)

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Wait.
Would altering vocabulary count as flavour?

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Wait.
If I alter the

Mafia

wincon to "You win if at least one

Mafia

member is alive and all other players are eliminated (or if nothing can prevent the same).", would that count as adding flavour?

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Oh.
Should I ask implosion if replacing 'is alive' with 'is remaining' is allowed and replacing 'die' with 'depart' is allowed too?

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I meant if that counts as putting flavour in the Role PMs.

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"You win if all threats to the

Town

are eliminated and at least one

Town

-aligned player remains."
"You win if at least one

Mafia

member remains and all other players are eliminated (or if nothing can prevent the same)."
"When you depart, the role "

Encryptor

" will cease to function for all players."

You have the following active factional ability:

• Each Night, if no other member of your faction is performing this action, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, that player will depart.

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I am mainly worried that 'depart' and 'remains' counts as flavour.

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mmm, the wording "depart" might be a bit confusing there. i'm erring on the side of preferring the original wording, but i'll let rc decide.

Yeah.
(I'll probably keep 'die' because it is the standard.)

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Actually, to make everything simple, I'm not going to replace 'die' with 'depart'.

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Though, replacing 'is alive' with 'remaining' is fine, right?

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I think that using departs and remains is completely fine as long as you are sufficiently consistent with it that the players gather the meaning.

I will check stuff out in a few hours

Thanks, RC!

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Here is the updated setup and Role PMs.

Setup

5 Vanilla Townies

Informed Town Mason

Town Mason Encryptor

Mafia Encryptor

Mafia Encryptor Enabler

Roles

Spoiler: Vanilla Townie

Welcome to game! You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no active abilities.

You win if all threats to the

Town

are eliminated and at least one

Town

-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying to this PM with your role and alignment.

Spoiler: Informed Town Mason

Welcome to game! You are an

Informed Town Mason

.

You know additional information about the setup: If a certain member of the

Mafia

dies,

Daytalk

will be lost for all players, but eliminating the other will cause only the

Mafia

to lose it.
You are

Masons

with …, who is guaranteed to also be

Town

, and you share a PT located here where you may converse during the Night and during Pregame.

You have no active abilities.

You win if all threats to the

Town

are eliminated and at least one

Town

-aligned player remains.

Confirm by replying to this PM with your role and alignment.

Spoiler: Town Mason Encryptor

Welcome to game! You are a

Town Mason Encryptor.

You are

Masons

with …, who is guaranteed to also be

Town

, and you share a PT located here where you may converse during the Night and during Pregame.
You, and anyone else present, may talk in Private Topics containing you even during the Day.

You have no active abilities.

You win if all threats to the

Town

are eliminated and at least one

Town

-aligned player remains.

Confirm by replying to this PM with your role and alignment.

Spoiler: Mafia Encryptor

Welcome to game! You are a

Mafia Encryptor

.

You are

Mafia

with … and you share a PT located here where you may converse during the Night and during Pregame.
You, and anyone else present, may talk in Private Topics containing you even during the Day.

You have the following active ability:

• Each Night, if no other member of your faction is performing this action, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, that player will exit the game.

You win if at least one

Mafia

member remains and all other players are eliminated (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Confirm by posting in the

Mafia

PT or by replying to this PM with your role and alignment.

Spoiler: Mafia Encryptor Enabler

Welcome to game! You are a

Mafia Encryptor Enabler

.

You are

Mafia

with … and you share a PT located here where you may converse during the Night and during Pregame.
When you exit the game, the role "

Encryptor

" will cease to function for all players.

You have the following active ability:

• Each Night, if no other member of your faction is performing this action, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, that player will exit the game.

You win if at least one

Mafia

member remains and all other players are eliminated (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Confirm by posting in the

Mafia

PT or by replying to this PM with your role and alignment.

EBWOP
I made some minor changes to the Role PMs.
(They shouldn't change much things. I'm pretty sure saying. that one 'exits the game' doesn't count as adding flavour.)

[RH9]

If you're going to use depart you should probably use it in place of eliminated in role PMs

I am going to use 'exit the game'.

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Here is the updated setup and Role PMs.

Setup

5 Vanilla Townies

Informed Town Mason

Town Mason Encryptor

Mafia Encryptor

Mafia Encryptor Enabler

Roles

Spoiler: Vanilla Townie

Welcome to game! You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no active abilities.

You win if all threats to the

Town

have exited the game and at least one

Town

-aligned player remains.

Confirm by replying to this PM with your role and alignment.

Spoiler: Informed Town Mason

Welcome to game! You are an

Informed Town Mason

.

You know additional information about the setup: If a certain member of the

Mafia

exits the game,

Daytalk

will be lost for all players, but if the other exits the game, then it will cause only the

Mafia

to lose it.
You are

Masons

with …, who is guaranteed to also be

Town

, and you share a PT located here where you may converse during the Night and during Pregame.

You have no active abilities.

You win if all threats to the

Town

have exited the game and at least one

Town

-aligned player remains.

Confirm by replying to this PM with your role and alignment.

Spoiler: Town Mason Encryptor

Welcome to game! You are a

Town Mason Encryptor.

You are

Masons

with …, who is guaranteed to also be

Town

, and you share a PT located here where you may converse during the Night and during Pregame.
You, and anyone else present, may talk in Private Topics containing you even during the Day.

You have no active abilities.

You win if all threats to the

Town

have exited the game and at least one

Town

-aligned player remains.

Confirm by replying to this PM with your role and alignment.

Spoiler: Mafia Encryptor

Welcome to game! You are a

Mafia Encryptor

.

You are

Mafia

with … and you share a PT located here where you may converse during the Night and during Pregame.
You, and anyone else present, may talk in Private Topics containing you even during the Day.

You have the following active ability:

• Each Night, if no other member of your faction is performing this action, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, that player will exit the game.

You win if at least one

Mafia

member remains and all other players have exited the game (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Confirm by posting in the

Mafia

PT or by replying to this PM with your role and alignment.

Spoiler: Mafia Encryptor Enabler

Welcome to game! You are a

Mafia Encryptor Enabler

.

You are

Mafia

with … and you share a PT located here where you may converse during the Night and during Pregame.
When you exit the game, the role "

Encryptor

" will cease to function for all players.

You have the following active ability:

• Each Night, if no other member of your faction is performing this action, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, that player will exit the game.

You win if at least one

Mafia

member remains and all other players have exited the game (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Confirm by posting in the

Mafia

PT or by replying to this PM with your role and alignment.

EBWOP
I made some minor changes to the Role PM's again.
May you check for any inconsistencies and errors that I may have made?

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alright, sorry, seems fine to me. just remember to keep the vocabulary consistent in all aspects of moderation, and should be fine.

i'll wait to see if rc has any more concerns.

Got that.

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By the way, when I sign up to mod, do I go "\in to mod a mini of my own design"?

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By the way, when I sign up to mod, do I go "\in to mod a mini of my own design"?

That is regarding the Normal Queue.

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In regards to 44, I asked implosion so everything is fine.

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I want to ask in case I end up messing up.

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Got that.

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Got that.

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I will probably run it some time next week.

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A question.
Would you guys like it if I add you to the Mod and Spectator PTs when I mod the game?

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To avoid confusing myself, am I allowed to go back to using eliminate as the day voting flavour?

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ah, sure. as long as you use "exit the game" instead of "die" in the game as well.

Got that.
Thank you, Datisi!