Mini Normal 2269 - Flavors of Elmer's Glue [Game Over]

[Enchant]

Hello, i am new on this site.

What Cop does?

[Enchant]

I asked what Cop does, not Vigilante

[Enchant]

Being scummy is town treat for me.
If you townread me, then i am mafia.

So reverse read.

[Enchant]

UNVOTE: Enchant changed my mind

SEE?

SEE?

CHARISMA.

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VOTE: Meg

So anyway, opposite day.

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Also i didn't understand joke, but that's because i am dumb.

[Enchant]

Then post it.

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like, excuse me... half this table legit isn't doing anything

That's not true, i breathing.

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Why would ANY TOWN go so far to CONVINCE people that they are town?

you just spent a series 6 POSTS trying to do just that.

Good point. Someone going out of their way to

appear

town is something that ought to raise suspicions. That isn't what I see Andante doing, though. If Kcdaspot had taken issue with Andante being overly defensive then there might have been something in that, but they say something different about Andantes intent - that she spent a series of 5 or 6 posts trying to convince people she is town – that she obviously isn't from even a quick surface reading – she is defensive, yes, and points the finger elsewhere, but I see nothing in any of those posts that could reasonably construed as trying to convince anyone she is town.

Why do I take such issue with this description? I think it's projection, because it looks to me like kcdaspot IS attempting just that. I give 35 a pass as an early-stage joke, but:

Spoiler: Look at what a helpful town I am, town! I must also be very town, fellow townies!

You could just react to other things in thread the back and forth with me and NM, even if it was banter it would still be early enough to be townie.

That reads to me like 'I am additionally scumreading Andante because they could have TR'd me for this and didn't'. I don't know how to take this other than straight-up naked LAMIST. I'll come back to this in my next point.

it's a normal, what do y'all think? 2 or 3 scum?

Look at how helpful I am being, asking the real questions, and look! please notice how I

definitely

do not how many scum are in this game, because I'm not scum! Promise!

MOD: are you able to do a vote history?

vote analysis is always a nice tool and the mod doing that makes it batter... if not the the vote with the post the vote came from is nice as well.

Here we go again: Look at me, I'm so helpful! Of course, Prism already was including the post the vote came from before this was even asked, so it's a

pointless

attempt at looking helpful - and that's all it appears to be, as admitted when asked about it.

anything useful is useful. thats it. you do have a point about it being a 9p, but if it helps find scums then why the hell not?

In fact, the whole of the rest of post 87 reads as "let me explain (in advance of anyone asking) how each of their previous few posts should be read as coming from a town mindset". I have to ask, why would ANY TOWN go so far to CONVINCE people that they are town?

I also read 83 and 84 in much the same vein - posts that try to look helpful but actually do nothing. Anyone feel like there was any legitimate risk of this day ending at that point?

Spoiler: You could just react to other things in thread the back and forth with me and NM, even if it was banter

From post 80. What back and forth banter would that be and Andante (or anyone else) was supposed to have reacted to, then? I can only assume it is this, since the request not to lolhammer(?) came after 80.

There might be 3 scum, my role is pretty OP

of course someone like you would get the unlimited JOAT with dayvig.

Really? Someone is supposed to read THAT as townie, at any stage of the game? I must be missing something huge, because I fail to see how that can be described as either a back-and-forth, or as banter, let alone something that could possibly be AI. And even if I divorce the issue of it being described as a back-and-forth when clearly it isn't, the fact that person making such a 'joke', if that's what it is, then stating it is supposed to be read as townie sets alarm bells ringing in my head.

Spoiler: Getting ahead of the scumread

5 posts technically. but DAMN

This stood out to me as a strange correction. Like the others, it smells as if there was a slight panic at having made a mistake, one that would have otherwise flew over my head, an over-sensitiveness to anything that anyone could point to as being scummy. I wouldn't have considered that mistake to have been scummy even had it been spotted, but it reads as if kcda was concerned someone might go "ah ha! kcda has exaggerated the number of andante posts by one! perhaps they are scum!", as if they are re-reading their posts with an eye of picking out anything that anyone might find off because of a preoccupation with how their slot might be perceived. It's the same attitude I see from other pre-emptive statements:

I admit i'm posting a lot but these are all legitimate thoughts i had.

"legitimate thoughts"? That's a mighty strange choice of phraseology there, as is the choice to try and get ahead of any question on why they are posting as much as they are.

Overall, the whole ISO just

stinks

of someone concerned about how they appear to others and trying to pre-emptively come across as town and get ahead of a scumread when that is called for, while simultaneously trying to make a scumcase on another player for doing that when they aren't.

No Humor Allowed.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Andante

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OMGUS, mafia confirmed.

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I'm not 100% sure what's going on this game, but I'm seriously not a fan... like can town actually try to play please??

Val, I TR 100% like, I feel like Val is trying, kcda is doing their own thing, Meg is trying to get into this, and everyone else?? like, hello?? you realize we're playing a maf game right?? If people don't want to play, I can coast too...

Idk about you i playing town game

[Enchant]

I'm not 100% sure what's going on this game, but I'm seriously not a fan... like can town actually try to play please??

Val, I TR 100% like, I feel like Val is trying, kcda is doing their own thing, Meg is trying to get into this, and everyone else?? like, hello?? you realize we're playing a maf game right?? If people don't want to play, I can coast too...

Idk about you i playing town game

right... you could just claim maf right now and lead the town..

I mostly get killed for that.

[Enchant]

I'm not 100% sure what's going on this game, but I'm seriously not a fan... like can town actually try to play please??

Val, I TR 100% like, I feel like Val is trying, kcda is doing their own thing, Meg is trying to get into this, and everyone else?? like, hello?? you realize we're playing a maf game right?? If people don't want to play, I can coast too...

Idk about you i playing town game

right... you could just claim maf right now and lead the town..

I mostly get killed for that.

I mean, I claimed town and am getting voted so like, I'm sure you claiming maf... not gonna get voted here lol

Opposite, if you claim town, you "Look at Me So Town" and therefore mafia, if you claim mafia, you are mafia trying to wifo.


That's why playing as mafia is easier, town accuse each other for bullshit reason, but if mafia is accused, their partner could just say things like "*INSERT THING* was town" or just plainly start wagoning other person, and everyone being mindless sheeps (me included) will just nod and agree.

Only way to survive is being out of radar, before any actual info arises. You don't need to catch scum, just outlive them.

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Idk i just sheeped NM for fun sake, but i also believe people as town not complain about it, they just ask questions directly to personas. Bystander effect, heard it?

It's almost useless to say "CAN YOU ALL PLAY ACTIVELY", and doesh't look really what town would do, but mafia to complain about inability to play.

If you want someone to play, best pet is asking questions directly. Less likely to be ignored, fairly.


Also not just for scum, whole 1 day is just circus in trying to dodge elim and maybe push someone for vague reasons. Do you think no one pushing me because i look ultratown? Nah, invisibility spell.

[Enchant]

FLAVORS OF GLUE.. LMAOOOO I LOVE THIS THEME

the only kind of glue I've even used recently was stick glue.. hahahaha

yeah idk what I'm missing... but I don't get it lol

I regret even starting the glue talk :/

alright, off to a great start!!! uhhh I have no reads, so yeah! I also hate RVS so hat's fun

ok cool meg town! need a few more TRs and gg game solved

mala is lock town. so we have meg mala andante town, pool of 6 left for some mafia. easy game!

Why is this game just not moving....

That's probably why.

[Enchant]

Did someone ask me something? I think i heard something.

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I think we can open gamble store for betting of andante complains about "No one playing"

[Enchant]

Did someone ask me something? I think i heard something.

Yes. Me.

I asked you to explain post 116.

Honestly i don't remember.

[Enchant]

So, when i saw you elimmed vig for "NOT SHOTING PARTNER" i had bad teste in my mouth and wanted to immediatly vote you both out next day.

But seems like mafia was pissed off at this stupidity as well and helped. I am grateful, though surprised you flip as green.

[Enchant]

Oh right, you next.

VOTE: Val

[Enchant]

"It was not dumb"

Okay, explain your reasoning to hammer.

[Enchant]

You are Mafia.

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And failure to explain your thoughts.

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So you believed vig claim, but decided to hammer to save your sorry ass?

[Enchant]

If you did not believe the vig claim, why you even bothered to ask shot specific person and try to enforce that with hammer threaten? Mafia can't perform additional NK, regardless of who they was asked to shot, they simple say "Yes" and then "Oh no i was roleblocked". Also Leash doesh't work on real Vigs. They have tendency to do their own thing.
"You refuse to shot him because he is your partner" is critical shit, how the fuck you even say that as town alignment is mystery.


If you believed one of hood is scum, why you tried to force some LEFT person (kdc), instead of Malakittens? Aren't Malakittens flipping Town means that Andante should kill one of you?

Also i never considered you both mafia. I didn't think you so

brave

dumb enough to do that openly. One is mafia, another is town disgrace. Town disgrace just died.

[Enchant]

By simple words.

Why you two both didn't vote Malakittens, if you believed scum in a hood?

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VOTE: kdca

@Andante

shoot Mala tonight.

You was in hood. So i believe you used it for communicating.

Why exactly "Andante shot Mala".

Why not "Andante shot kdc, and let's elim Mala because she most likely scum".

What logic you both used?

[Enchant]

I see quickhammer as fast resort to dispose vig, before someone from wagon arrive and unvote.

Because if this happens, Val like 99% will be used by vig for target practice, or elimmed instantly.

It's Terrible play as town, and Decent for scum.
Val was gonna die anyway. So he had nothing to lose by hammer. Now he wants to pass as idiot.

No. Don't.

[Enchant]

I see quickhammer as fast resort to dispose vig, before someone from wagon arrive and unvote.

Because if this happens, Val like 99% will be used by vig for target practice, or elimmed instantly.

It's Terrible play as town, and Decent for scum.
Val was gonna die anyway. So he had nothing to lose by hammer. Now he wants to pass as idiot.

No. Don't.

Wait Andante outted

Well yes, and was hammered for refusing to shot Malakittens and still planning to shot Val.


It shouldn't even matter in questions about vig truthfulness.

Mafia shoting Jackson is incredibly karmic. But i don't understand sense in this killing, because there's none obvious. Seems like a standard shoting believers.


Also, it's lesson for me to not vote early without normal reason. Sorry for sleeping too much that night.

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Val this isn't even like the worst town mis play or anything

Fairly i saw worse.

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Well yes, and was hammered for refusing to shot Malakittens and still planning to shot Val.

That's a complete misrep.

I kid yall not when I say, high chance I just don't even shoot tonight, cause I'm feeling maf can redirect

Those were the last words Andante said before the hammer.

Want to try again?

AHAHAHAHHAA.

First person to say "Lol redirects in normal game, shot Val" would probably get Nobel.

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First SANE person to check in thread would point that there's no redirections in normal, and Andante would had no reason to holster otherwise.

Trying to pull like mafia would be save because of that Andante statement is not even funny.

[Enchant]

Can we just call Frog+Val team and call it a day?

[Enchant]

I am not unvoting you.

[Enchant]

UNVOTE:

[Enchant]

Screw you.

I sleep

[Enchant]

Still, there is a possiblity that MegA, and to a lesser degree Enchant are just town idiots

[Enchant]

Well, I don't think the scum team is exactly Mala + Enchant + MegA, so that description fairly applies to at least one of the last two.

In fairness, I don't think this 1D mafia is because you are literally stupid people, I just think you are overgamed as hell and not giving this one the attention it deserves. Yeah, I see you.

Ha-h...

ha...
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAA.

[Enchant]

What guilty?

[Enchant]

You joking right.

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Val you should have unvoted and voted someone else... you were the most useful. but bringing attention to yourself and salf-voting stopped all sensible discussion.

i hate this game... no matter what happens i think scum wins as there is not one person here i trust.

You can trust me.
Why not?

[Enchant]

its mainly the minimalist posting. that and the moon read evryone has on you... (ENCHANT SEEMS TOWN SO SCUMMMMMS)

i don't get it at all.

ELo. i think we need a massclaim.

Just in case, if i am scum, then i have 3 people voted to quickhammer.

I am confirmed at this point.

[Enchant]

you mind rephrasing so that don't look weird? i'm stupid as hell remember.

If i am mafia, i can just quickly vote with my partner on NM/Frog/Malakittens and win instantly.

Therefore, i am not mafia for not doing that.


BOW BEFORE ME.

[Enchant]

I am not claiming.

[Enchant]

Either way.

CAN YOU UNVOTE SO WE DEAL UP WITH FIRST PAIR?

[Enchant]

Can you tell your guilty atleast.

[Enchant]

I didn't expect other answer.

... Why i even asked then.

[Enchant]

you mind rephrasing so that don't look weird? i'm stupid as hell remember.

If i am mafia, i can just quickly vote with my partner on NM/Frog/Malakittens and win instantly.

Therefore, i am not mafia for not doing that.


BOW BEFORE ME.

Yeah but that would require your partner to be on at the same time btw

Mala is scum, elim next day when i die.

[Enchant]

What kind of logic?

I could just say nothing and wait for my partner.

[Enchant]

Two things


1. I am idiot and asked wrong person to unvote. Happens. You can vote back on NM btw.
2. Kcd-Not_Mafia and Malakittens-Frogsterking both contain one mafia per pair.


So how we supposed to clear it's up?

[Enchant]

Well,

What the fuck is happening.

It’s like no one is posting <<

Then post...
So someone will post.

[Enchant]

GOOD KEEP WORK

[Enchant]

do we think we are in EOL

Wha

[Enchant]

Well. Yes?

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Let's just deal with fact we sucked regardless.

If we lose, we lose.

VOTE: Malakittens

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UNVOTE:

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Lowkey there’s a good chance that enchanted Is town

YOU THINK?

[Enchant]

I am not hammering "yet". Will look if someone else do it.

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I quess it was not, because i was town.

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Like Malakittens.

3 Town.
2 Scum.

One confirmed townie doesh't vote (me).

ANd there's someone with 2 votes.

Do you even realise one of voters MUST be scum? Or you thinked they voting each other?

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Also NM is devil, didn't even hammer Malakittens when he could.

[Enchant]

... Actually why?

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... DO YOU TROLL ME.

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Then it was Malakittens+NM.

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Otherwise it's not possible.

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Well if KCD was town, then gg.

If was maf, then AVENGE ME BECAUSE I WILL DIE LOL.

[Enchant]

NM slow rolling this shit is the crappiest thing you can do shut the fuck your passive aggressive ass and just claim the victory.

otherwise i'm playijng with you ever again. you not just trolling you're just being a peice of shit that needs to get off this site.

Why insult, mafia supposed to act like mafia...

[Enchant]

Damn relax.

Happens.

I lost many games. It will be not last.

[Enchant]

Stop feeding Cow.

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Dude not funny.

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Also about sig, why i can't access topic with third one?

[Enchant]

Ah, something to elite i quess.

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I see.

Either way i don't think Kcda would explode like that as scum, so gg.

[Enchant]

Don't lie to me.

You breaking my heart.

[Enchant]

Kill me.

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THAT'S WHAT YOU GET FOR BREAKING YOUR OATH OF HAMMER NM.

SHOULD HAVE BLASTED KITTEN.

[Enchant]

So.

You rightly deduced scum.
BUT.

Limmed Vig for refusal to shot it because "PARTNERS", instead of, uh, you know, voting Malakittens?

And I AM DUMB?

EXCUSE ME?