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[DkKoba]

tictac vote on chaos is just also so massively scumfucky i want nothing to do with the wagon

[DkKoba]

no i wont be shut down rofl

[DkKoba]

you are twisting my words and i do not wish to have a conversation like that.

[DkKoba]

shadowgirl equity with meuh just skyrocketed

[DkKoba]

like the word choice i just witnessed just completely skeeved me out like holy shit

[DkKoba]

ok maybe my gl fos was kinda stupid lol

[DkKoba]

doesn't all this apply to the Meuh wagon as well? I agree the movement towards HEM is skeevy but I feel it could just as much be resistance to Meuh wagon

I agree that it could possibly apply there as well.

you are twisting my words and i do not wish to have a conversation like that.

You said Chaos is deserving of a D1 pass. What do you find in their posts that is not "being scared" [to give a bold take] compared to Meuh? Like how am I supposed to word this so that you can explain what you feel the difference is.

I'm not engaging with your wordplay and semantics.

begone

[DkKoba]

i do not think you understand tone or are partners with meuh so im just not going to bother here.

[DkKoba]

@marci when you see this, please describe what's been going on in your hood so far.

[DkKoba]

what if we just no lim and if theres a vig have them holster bc n1 vig shots are terribad anyways

[DkKoba]

Meuh gets a pass because she used my meme
If chaos does something that feeds my ego he can get a pass too
But like, it has to be genuine, I don’t expect anything deliberate would pass the buck

denied

[DkKoba]

The place that I'm currently at is that I feel that there are just as many people avoiding the Chaos wagon, so that is still my preference, but that I will vote for Meuh as we're coming down to the (deadline) wire, as the 3 vote flip flop was sketch (+ avoiding Chaos wagon).

its almost like people trust my reads or smthing

[DkKoba]

24 hours left

kill meuh

[DkKoba]

who cares abt claims

[DkKoba]

meuh could have claimed friendly neighbor vigilante mason and i would still kill them here

[DkKoba]

ignore claims ffs

[DkKoba]

your argument is bad

[DkKoba]

I have a guilty (:

[DkKoba]

I have a guilty (:

Nvm. Not massclaim time:)

Oh i want dwlee to claim

[DkKoba]

dwlee frozen

[DkKoba]

im willing to relook at chaos with meuh townflip.but after dwlee first

[DkKoba]

GL being mason was the most blatant thing rofl

[DkKoba]

dwlee claim what you claimed in the hood please

[DkKoba]

(:

[DkKoba]

this is a personal account

but i know im more conscious of PRs when im scum

cant say that's the same for koba

i always solve for prs as town and scum bc it helps full solve, i absolutely was correct that GL was an informed party and im mad they were blatant abt it

[DkKoba]

ok i rolecopped dwlee and they were just neighbor, they hardclaimed an extra PR d1.

[DkKoba]

i absolutely was correct that GL was an informed party and im mad they were blatant abt it

difference between town informed party vs scum informed party?

very little if its played poorly

[DkKoba]

VOTE: dwlee

[DkKoba]

very little if its played poorly

then why did your head go mason instead of scum

Dwlee left out i said i wasnt sure but it was a potential theory based on gamestate having too many people i found scummy

[DkKoba]

ez

[DkKoba]

dwlee stopped talking to me at a certain point, i tried to prod them overnight.
I think they believe they can win vs me pushing them but didnt expect the hard guilty.

I never really thought dwlee was towny i just wantsd them to have false hope so theyd spew people - meuh push was based on dwlee being frozen on giving a read on them when meuh was under pressure.

I think marci is spewed town off dwlee, maybe chaos, im not sure bc i feel chaos is way less active than usual here and thats been skeeving me.

DEFINITELY HEM tho bc dwlee tried to turn me against HEM in our hood

[DkKoba]

will the other mason please standup

nvm please no one answer this

roden is pretty obv mason rofl

[DkKoba]

Do any of you think town!koba doesn't talk for a week in a hood with me especially when I was busy IRL and they normally constantly bug me if I don't post for like 16 hours

Nope, Koba is definitely scum, what I thought was a town ping early in the game was just scum seeing a PR soft and backing off for town cred.

consider: im good at this game and knew you were informed and now ur showing the classic symptoms of mason ego.

Luckily this time i can provide a scum who blundered their hoodplay

[DkKoba]

roden i play a deeper game than u do, i wanted dwlee to kill your masonry bc i wanted to live(selfish) so i told them my read there so that it would confirm you town.

I think masonries are -ev when they think theyre hero players, on par with vigs, so yeah

[DkKoba]

will the other mason please standup

nvm please no one answer this

roden is pretty obv mason rofl

Yeah I'm Mason, now please self vote or vote Enchant

I have a hard guilty on dwlee hop off

[DkKoba]

I literally swindled dwlee and u decide to ego play, literally f off bc i can read every aspect of the game.
U TMId GL and i was right. My reading is genuine.

[DkKoba]

And yeah theres prob a traitor , who i will be hunting for tonight. I just wanted to get a red here and make sure dwlee wasnt said traitor

[DkKoba]

Do any of you think town!koba doesn't talk for a week in a hood with me especially when I was busy IRL and they normally constantly bug me if I don't post for like 16 hours

Nope, Koba is definitely scum, what I thought was a town ping early in the game was just scum seeing a PR soft and backing off for town cred.

consider: im good at this game and knew you were informed and now ur showing the classic symptoms of mason ego.

Luckily this time i can provide a scum who blundered their hoodplay

"Ego" LMAO

Do you have any self awareness Koba

You literally attacked me all game and kept trying to flip me so uh, yeah good job catching that I'm a Mason lol

why do u town read dwlee?

[DkKoba]

roden i play a deeper game than u do, i wanted dwlee to kill your masonry bc i wanted to live(selfish) so i told them my read there so that it would confirm you town.

I think masonries are -ev when they think theyre hero players, on par with vigs, so yeah

Are you ok

no im tilted that im getting a repeat of a game where i got mislimmed by masons being ego players bc i dared to suspect them for having TMI

[DkKoba]

so it's easy right

elim koba's hard guilty
if it flips town, then elim koba

if koba is town, at least we can count on his result and scum wanting to kill him to stop the result.

unless koba has a wiggle room to say that "oh my bad didn't know dwlee could be scum it wasn't a hard guilty after all"

Nope i got a result of Neighbor. Thats it.

[DkKoba]

I literally swindled dwlee and u decide to ego play, literally f off bc i can read every aspect of the game.
U TMId GL and i was right. My reading is genuine.

You can read all aspects of the game but pushed both Masons D1 and mis-elim'd another townie who I also said was town

Ok

ok then help me bus dwlee

[DkKoba]

Yes i am, they are 100% confirmed fmpov

[DkKoba]

Yes

[DkKoba]

roden i play a deeper game than u do, i wanted dwlee to kill your masonry bc i wanted to live(selfish) so i told them my read there so that it would confirm you town.

I think masonries are -ev when they think theyre hero players, on par with vigs, so yeah

Are you ok

no im tilted that im getting a repeat of a game where i got mislimmed by masons being ego players bc i dared to suspect them for having TMI

Nice AtE

If you suspected Masons why did you push both of them and repeatedly try to get me to explain my read on GL? If you thought I was a Mason you would've just dropped it. It's also just anti-town to out Masons so I'm not sure why you think this means you're town.

Idc

[DkKoba]

Im fixing the game

[DkKoba]

Btw dwlees claim isnt even consistant.. they claimed roaming doc in hood LOL

[DkKoba]

alternatively, we both let you chill for a day, we can get enchant.

but i think that betrays the gamestate a little. you guys made yourselves the most interesting choices in the menu.

you can't both be scum.

koba, assure me you're not lying as town.

I have lied a lot this game to manipulate the gamestate but im telling the truth about my guilty

[DkKoba]

Ill do it later but most of what I've said about the hood is true

[DkKoba]

Mechs>reads when im holding the guilty

[DkKoba]

I did not retract my hard guillty

[DkKoba]

I am a Rolecop. No modifiers. Neighbor result on dwlee, dwlee claim contradicts me.

[DkKoba]

yes i do kill conftowns to protect myself.
Im selfish
I do whatever it takes to live n1 if im onto scum.

[DkKoba]

Everytime i die n1 in a game it goes to shit.
I didnt need that here esp since i randed a pr

I got what i assume will maybe be the most value i can get other than catching a traitor maybe

[DkKoba]

Yes im selfish roden bc i believe i can solve the game more effectively
No offense, just i have had a hot streak recently.

Dwlee is good as scum and i misread their spew on meuh so my bad but thats why i clung onto them so hard.

[DkKoba]

breaking news: masons dont understand jokes and go straight to ego

[DkKoba]

this is why i outted you roden rofl
I have 0 patience for clears who play like you do when im busy fucking up scum
My legacy is tictac + chaos, if either are a miss, shadowgirl should be a hit.

[DkKoba]

Just like IV and House were only T/T in a very specific world in my last mini normal.

(This is a crumb that is impossible to discern for now that ive explained to dwlee)

Can I have some context on this now that everything is a mess between ya'll lol

House fake claimed masons with IV but i scumread IV and IV ended up being scum rofl

[DkKoba]

Just like IV and House were only T/T in a very specific world in my last mini normal.

(This is a crumb that is impossible to discern for now that ive explained to dwlee)

Can I have some context on this now that everything is a mess between ya'll lol

House fake claimed masons with IV but i scumread IV and IV ended up being scum rofl

[DkKoba]

like, i dont think this savior mentality translates into scum who blunders their d2 because they lie about a guilty and lie about their role and lie about their neighborhood, and be the first one of their team out. koba wants to go to elo.

We wont be going to elo as long as im alive, trust.

[DkKoba]

i dont have an exact example bc i never had a similar enough situation, *but* i did hammer a townread bc i wanted to be alive in ELo, and i was even town in that game

[DkKoba]

yes i do kill conftowns to protect myself.
Im selfish
I do whatever it takes to live n1 if im onto scum.

I don't believe this for a second lol. Post some town examples.

Everytime i die n1 in a game it goes to shit.
I didnt need that here esp since i randed a pr

I got what i assume will maybe be the most value i can get other than catching a traitor maybe

If you were dead N1 we'd have two conftown going into a 10p D2 and we would know you were telling the truth.

I have zero reason to believe you, your reads have been shit all game. You only had three major pushes D1 and they were all town. You've been lying about almost everything and hard stopped us from scum hunting within the hoods just to say "btw my hood has scum " by using mech play over day play.

Convince me that you're town.

roden i have a very high level view of mafia philosophy and stacking clears is not involved.

[DkKoba]

You think im scum bc you are projecting how you view game philosophy onto me... when i vehemently disagree with it.
I think protecting a more active strong player is better than protecting a clear. Mind you i wanted you to get killed and not GL but yea dwlee decided to openscum bc town dwlee would have been on GL. Prob why they modified their claim to simple.

[DkKoba]

Anyways if you dont believe me idk what will convince u bc i am handing u a scum on a silver platter.

[DkKoba]

ok u can be upset at my playstyle i understwnd that but it doesn't make me mafia

We are playing Mafia, not Survivor or Big Brother

[DkKoba]

regardless the way you are now interacting with me implies u did realize your read was based on a disagreement and not actual AI stuff

[DkKoba]

breaking news: masons dont understand jokes and go straight to ego

No I'm just ND but thanks for setting off my social anxiety with all of these fucking pointless personal attacks

I'm also sick of these "ego" accusations. I'm not the one forcing my will onto the entire player list and bullying people into doing what I want. I'm not the one saying I deserve credit for solving the game. I'm not the one postimg hero solves every other game. I'm not the one playing fucking story mode. I'm literally just trying to play the game I signed up for, and you're getting pissy that I won't blindly trust you and let you solo solve the game.

For whatever fucking reason you just think I'm a level zero player with predictable straight forward play. You don't even understand why I voted you today even though I made it clear all of D1 that you were essentially town locked. You turned this day into a stupid shitfest and fucked the game state up so badly that I can't do anything today without it looking like I'm voting you for personal/emotional reasons. I do play emotionally but that was never the point of my interactions with you. Your head's so far up your own ass that you never stopped to think about why I was doing the things I was doing and that maybe, just maybe, I had a sense of nuance.

But no go ahead Koba, fucking solo solve the game and ignore everyone else's reads. I don't give a shit anymore.

UNVOTE:

i created a 50/50 vote with a role that normally cannot get guilties I fail to really see how I messed up -

fake scumreading me to see who hops on was quite weird bc like scum aren't gonna out themselves for dwlee here when they're in a 50/50 atp on the receiving end of an investigative.

[DkKoba]

im believing the narrative that koba is a traitor trying to push any!Dwlee

Consider the following: No.

[DkKoba]

NO ONE ELSE NEEDS TO CLAIM

[DkKoba]

we do not need to claim when there is a 50/50.
The people pushing for claims should start if they so want to have claims but no one else

[DkKoba]

I think koba is a traitor. Let me post my case when I have time.

Can't wait to debunk this one

[DkKoba]

I slept, i slept well and now i have urge to believe Dwlee99...

Nightmares.

You shouldn't, they are caught in a lie.

Just look at their claim of simple doc + their claim they protected GL. it is an excuse, they wanted to pretend like they would have been on GL while killing them, because GL townread me.

[DkKoba]

because they know I'm likely to enter this dayphase with a push probably. dwlee is able to predict stuff like that

[DkKoba]

after I tried to prod them overnight they knew i was on their radar and since GL died over me, and they voted me, it is very plausible the plan was that dwlee wanted to get a mislim on me for pushing a townie, unfortunately for them -> I got a mech guilty on them which was likely NOT in their plans thus why their attitude changed after i outted it.

[DkKoba]

yes i did

[DkKoba]

Honestly i believe in this more.

Like...
M.

Does Koba even remains silent as any alignment?

Don't torture me.

VOTE: Dwlee99

enter my dungeon

[DkKoba]

actually im going to do this sick thing where i refuse to elaborate anymore to force people to spew their own alignment rather than presenting a lock solid case that makes analyzing the dwlee wagon difficult.


read me on my posts in thread <3

[DkKoba]

Koba not wanting to do it is +scum Koba

i already have done so earlier and i have given examples of what has happened bud, i am busy today + i am happy if scum wants to out themselves by voting me here, because i know that scum will 100% try to use this as an excuse to do this.

make dwlee do it - hold them to the same standards bud.

[DkKoba]

im not afraid i just think you're annoying

[DkKoba]

HEM tell me, what is the easier claim - me saying there was content that led to a mech guilty from me, or dwlee pretending they said nothing.

this is why i dont care because youre clearly not thinking about this in good faith and just want to be a hero and make a hard read

[DkKoba]

HEM tell me, what is the easier claim - me saying there was content that led to a mech guilty from me, or dwlee pretending they said nothing.

dwlee pretending they say nothing actually

it's the same as you pretending there was activity when in fact there weren't any, and you not wanting to illustrate the story for us to folllow

also your ego attacks wont work on me, so just get to the point where you convince us more. right now, we're not very convinced. (same as roden)

don't you think it's on you to provide the burden of proof? not our fault you're so untrustworthy with your mind games

cool.

i don't care

i have offered enough specfics where I can reasonably say that dwlee is full of shit.

when im not busy IRL i can offer more specifics but i already paraphrased very specific things and you just want to be a hero which is pretty blatant so im not offering you more content to conf bias with when youre clearly not asking in good faith lol

[DkKoba]

I can't cite what's not there lol

There hasn't been a single post in the hood for 8 days

Is this true koba?

no its blatantly false rofl

even if i were scum here there is 0 chance i would just go radio silent in a hood as they are largely my favorite mechanic, so dwlee even just claiming this should be a gigantic red flag.

maybe dwlee just hasnt opened the hood in 8 days and thinks that this will make the posts not exist, because they have not posted since sometime around EoD1, their last post in on the 28th saying they'll vote meuh in a frustrated tone. like that's not even 8 days ago - thats half that, and i clearly stated in thread I would ask dwlee to give thoughts on meuh in our hood, beacuse I was looking for spew.

[DkKoba]

my last post is basically telling dwlee that day 2 was going to be fun :3

[DkKoba]

oh wait it was tictac i had given dwlee to reread -> but I also had tasked them with meuh and at that point they froze up.

[DkKoba]

oh wait it was tictac i had given dwlee to reread -> but I also had tasked them with meuh and at that point they froze up.

given to dwlee and posted in thread about it *

[DkKoba]

mason stuff was around the 24th/25th lol

[DkKoba]

and there's the backtrack

saying there were posts 4 days ago is quite the difference from "no posts in 8 days"

[DkKoba]

i *was* posting less frequently going into the night and EoD but dwlee is basically trying to make ups a scenario where Koba manages to freeze up in a hood

??

like no, I would only explicitly stop posting if a) I'm scum and nightkilling my hood partner or b) I'm town and feel that my hood partner is 100% scum and i have nothing more to gleam from interacting with them

i kept talking because I wanted to live the night but dwlee just was completely absent after the 28th.

[DkKoba]

no i explicitly did follow up rofl

and REFERENCED SAID CONVO

[DkKoba]

>.> remember this person got nommed for don corlerone last year before you go and think that they have to be town because my scumgame is "stronger", when its at about the same level >.> and faking that pieces are missing is substantially easier than making up pieces.

[DkKoba]

REMEMBER DWLEE LITERALLY BOTCHED THEIR CLAIM AND ALSO CLAIMED TO HAVE BEEN A DOC ON A PERSON THAT WAS VERY LIKELY A PR THAT DIED LAST NIGHT


this is not genuine at all and should be probably the best objective argument that people actually follow

[DkKoba]

Dwlee just got gotcha'd, there's nothing left to debate there. If it never came up in the hood, more than enough time had passed that Dwlee should've said so by now. The post that Shadowgirl quoted was the exact one I had in mind because it was posted March 25th, the date Dwlee claims Koba stopped posting in the hood.

The real issue we need to solve is if Dwlee slipped or if they "slipped". Because if they figured they were going down anyway, they could be pulling a stunt similar to what I did in SCP.

this is in no way similar to SCP, first off being a) im town b) fuck u c) did i mention im town

[DkKoba]

(that fuck u was not meant to be aggressive more of a light sarcastic joke )

[DkKoba]

Dwlee and DkKoba, what's your current reads list?

Yes, I'm really going to keep quoting this lol

read my posts, i have stated my reads

i dont do reads lists on demand.


i am uncompromising on this point.

[DkKoba]

i have left a legacy scumread list - I do not need to offer more just so scum can nightkill me for being right as no one listens to dead townies.

[DkKoba]

shadow I did answer. you dont like the answer because it requires effort. I intentionally always do this when someone tries to push me to out reads list when i dont want to at the time.

read my ISO and my reads are fairly clear.

[DkKoba]

wasnt the whole point of your gambit to fake spew you town ??

[DkKoba]

[DkKoba]

awe you didn't like my meme?

[DkKoba]

quoting private communication is against the rules

[DkKoba]

and I'm not going to angleshoot the rule just to "prove" it exists lol

[DkKoba]

enchant town if it wasnt obvious already

[DkKoba]

VOTE: tictac

[DkKoba]

I'm not claiming anything mechanical until its relevant.

[DkKoba]

I...what? I'm sorry, why am I alive?

why is koba?

scratch that.
neighborhood not gonna be 2scumz, so koba clear

Lmaoooooo

[DkKoba]

good morning
i have Thoughts about shadowgirl that i will post later

[DkKoba]

The way I got high and forgot about this game last night and was going to actually end up voting ShadowGirl

Not anymore.

I am busy today so expect lower activity.

NGL tempted to just yeet the slot with several replacements even if it brings up to limlo to make the game easier.

[DkKoba]

Cool so, ignoring mathblade.

[DkKoba]

Koba's been ignoring me in neighborhood
VOTE: Koba

This is why it’s staged.
If Koba is called out as a liar Koba looks good but if Dwlee goes down Koba looks good.

I doubt Koba ignores a hood as town or scum.

They hyperpost a lot.

the funniest part of all this is quoting a flipped scum and believing what the scum is saying

[DkKoba]

I didn't write the whole wall because I'm striving to be a less toxic person lmao

[DkKoba]

Mathblade, why are you hard softing vig?

[DkKoba]

regardless
VOTE: ShadowGirl

this is where I wanted to go, I just was feeling off and wanted to be careful about how I did this because I struggle against wordy scumplayers

[DkKoba]

I already said tictac is scum but no one wants to sheep lol

[DkKoba]

I already said tictac is scum but no one wants to sheep lol

Koba I am trying to consider you town.

Please stop antagonizing me while I am catching up. K thx.

i guess stating my reads = antagonizing rofl

[DkKoba]

i literally buried the last day's scum when the attention wasn't even going to be on them but ok lol

[DkKoba]

Aren't you tried to do so from d1 via claiming that Dwlee failed to answer on traitor bait.

well yes and no - I just wanted to dig up more info before I shove over a scum and then watch from the spec chat as people miss the other scum easily.

[DkKoba]

i want to lim in tictac or shadowgirl here

[DkKoba]

Sorry I was gone for a bit, personal stuff came up and took all my attention.

Ok so, the reason I say that we have enough clears to just win this is because we have a Mason, a Rolecop, and a Vig. Further, and Shadow has actually already explained this, Enchant is spewed town by scum choosing to keep me alive. I was heavily tunneled on the slot since the second half of Day 1, and I'm conftown, so Enchant had multiple reasons to kill me if he was scum. And tbh, it wouldn't have looked bad for him at all to kill me since conftowns are expected to die. So I don't think it even makes sense as a gambit to try to fake spew himself as town by keeping me around.

Koba being alive as well only makes sense in two worlds. Either they're scum, or they were Roleblocked. And I really don't think they're scum, the Day 2 play is just flashy and unnecessary if it was a bus the whole time. Plus it was way too early, I think Koba knows that they need a reason to still be alive if they're scum, also I'm pretty sure they kill me instead of PR hunting. So I think they're just Roleblocked and that's why they don't have any results. If town, scum kind of does want to keep them around since it makes them look suspicious.

So, from my perspective, we have three cleared players: Koba, Enchant, and myself. If Enchant is not the Vig, then we have four cleared players and it's impossible for scum to win. I think it's better for the Vig to claim before ELO but that's just me.

I still want to vote Shadow, since she has essentially claimed VT by offering to get voted out to clear the 1v1 dispute between her and NM. I also think her flip would give us the most info, since there are associatives with other players there while NM has...literally nothing. Honestly I'm not really sure why they're competing wagons in the first place.

I get this and it’s where I started but I think there’s a dilemma you haven’t considered.

Assume Koba is town and you’re town. Assume Koba was roleblocked/interfered with.
Why is Koba not dead?

This would also have to imply that Koba’s reads are bad.

almost like

the reason i stopped pushing chaos slot

[DkKoba]

Can we get some actual game-advancing content please

thats a full read, what more do you need?

NM can be read tonally fairly easily and i am leaning them town atm

[DkKoba]

who cares abt claims

(raises hand in boomer)
I can see there's not one single mechplay thing we're gonna agree on lol

I don’t see why Shadowgirl takes this stance end of D1 as scum.

I kinda think we’re looking at Koba and TicTac.

TicTac pushes me to see if he can get a reaction Koba can analyze to get a claim or not from me.

TicTac and Koba are likely torn as to whether the vig is in me/Enchant/NM.

Roden was kept around not because Enchant read (but I agree Enchant is probably town) but because he’ll defend Koba.

This solve also matches the gamestall rule.

the issue with your theory is

that I know exactly who the vig is.

[DkKoba]

lol did mathblade just slip in the same way in the last time they complained about "muh townsided setup"

[DkKoba]

a) there's at least 1 unflipped scum, likely 2 -> you know whats likely?

scum gunsmith.

scum pt cop

your mech spec is unimaginative and aims to frame me as scum

just embarassing that i am good enough as scum that i have to bury 2 scum before anyone bothers to even breathe a townread in my direction

[DkKoba]

ok enchant you can come forward

[DkKoba]

theories that dont fit will naturally have holes and I will happily expose them all now help me kill shadowgirl, the scum who thought I was going to just tunnel the same reads and would never flip onto her.

[DkKoba]

what is so strong about town rolecop?

[DkKoba]

i literally only got value out of it because my neighbor was a dirty liar

[DkKoba]

roden was literally pushing me day 2 and trying to kill me over dwlee but sure math, tell me more

[DkKoba]

i think you severely overrate the power that my role has

[DkKoba]

sure, it probably means the rest of mafia are goons - but your idea of balance is not the same idea that the NRG nor RadiantCowbells has - and I even talked before this game with RC about game balance without knowing about this game - and he prefers roles that dont offer hard guilties but add to the game, etc.

so yeah

if my role wasnt able to get a single hard guilty that would suck, wouldnt it?

now - why do you think shadowgirl is town?

[DkKoba]

ok well I expected at most to only get 1 guilty on a potential traitor rofl

you realize the game started *at* 12 players?

[DkKoba]

ok im just going to ignore mathblade's trolling

seeya later

[DkKoba]

theories that dont fit will naturally have holes and I will happily expose them all now help me kill shadowgirl, the scum who thought I was going to just tunnel the same reads and would never flip onto her.

What? We've been clashing all game. If I'm scum, why would I think that you're more likely to be on my side over HEM, who has been townreading me and I have gotten along with super well all game? I can't see what is logical about me as scum keeping you around over HEM.

So realistically I think strictly mechanically Dwlee claimed doctor in a setup with a known vig.

Dwlee is a competent scum player so they don’t claim doctor without a damn good reason to.

Broadly, there was no way for town to know there was a vig until today, since there was no second kill on N1. Does that mean scum might be "informed"? Or otherwise the only other way to find out roles is DkKoba with their rolecop ability.

the way you are trying to twist the facts to fit this kind of theory is ngl pretty encouraging for me for finding you scum, thanks for that

[DkKoba]

I'm going to direct you to the shitfight you had with Ari the last time you replaced into a game as an indicator of what would happen if I engaged you and why I am disengaging.

I, despite popular belief, do not like being toxic and wish to not shit up the game and any feeling of superiority of you thinking I was caught, is simply trolling behavior to me as your solve is contingent on *you* being the setup designer rather than ignoring the reality that we are in where I will flip rolecop and it will not matter.

[DkKoba]

i had to watch you ruin an easy town win that i setup from the dead chat as you replaced so excuse me for not wanting to feed your bullshit math based theories that have 0 place in the *social* deduction game of mafia.

[DkKoba]

so frankly, after catching 1 scum already, and you having caught 0 this game - I will take my leave and try to keep the game in a better mood instead (:


seeya!

[DkKoba]

Just in a case, i am with modifier.

Please state it.
Correctly.

Novice yerrrr

[DkKoba]

RC is evil, but not *that* evil.

[DkKoba]

dwlee interactions with gamma skeeved me and i checked because you would be top deepscum candidate

[DkKoba]

So I gotta work now but I won’t join a wagon with Koba and I want whoever Koba is on to flip.

Your move Koba.

ok enjoy me carrying you then, i really don't mind.

[DkKoba]

So I gotta work now but I won’t join a wagon with Koba and I want whoever Koba is on to flip.

Your move Koba.

ok enjoy me carrying you then, i really don't mind.

I hate how smug you are right now.

I imagine you sitting there in your glorious enbie ness going “Ha math is the only one who suspects me and he’s such an easy discredit. All I have to do is keep reminding people I ‘caught’ Dwlee and Math hasn’t ‘caught’ anyone due to being a replace in”

It kills me how smug you’re being right now

you literally discredited my reads as trash when my PoE was perfect in Mini Normal bunnies so more like im sitting here seeing you get what you deserved after that statment there as i had to watch you drive several mislimes

[DkKoba]

Ok nevermind Mathblade is scum rofl

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Koba

Can afford.

can you just trust me >.>

[DkKoba]

I'll vote NM if it forces an elimination + helps shed light on the gamestate better. I'd normally suggest we use enchant for an elim at night instead but I would prefer not to be blasted here

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Mathblade

[DkKoba]

replacements suck

good job but like, the gamestate I setup was not for yall

[DkKoba]

btw I completely guessed Enchant's modifier based on what I know about RC, my rolecop checks were on tictac and Mathblade slot(marci)

I almost said Night 2 Vigilante but then I remembered something about him saying he likes setups that would be entertaining to watch and not entertaining for him to play in - ergo Novice fits better.


Biggest mistake was killing HEM when it looked like he softed an investigative on ShadowGirl - I thought there was a town Gunsmith due to my role existing - and I thought that was the Gunsmith.

[DkKoba]

Also mathblade, a rolecop absolutely fits in the setup for town, starting off with 12 people as opposed to 13 is a huge shift in balance in favor of the mafia team with 3 mafia present, and rolecop adds very little value for the town other than being a named townie that can semi-prove their own role.

[DkKoba]

no redactions btw

[DkKoba]

every single replacement for town ruined a pocket I had previously established/added pressure onto my partner

also the dwlee bus was planned with the idea that Chaos wouldn't replace out, and would be able to post there. Greeting replacing in put focus on that slot right away and it was hard to recover + had to drag the slot along. If we got NM to quickhammer ShadowGirl when it was possible, the scum win was very possible, but unfortunate.

Gamma -> Enchant
marci -> Mathblade

mostly ruined the dynamics I tried to setup on day 1 and day 2

stop replacing out after day 1 >:(

[DkKoba]

I figured out it was Koba when I recalled they’d defended the Chaos/NM slot a lot

I should have bussed that slot over Dwlee, I just felt I wouldn't get any towncred for it if I did.

Chaos' play was actually fairly solid for what he posted early game, it was very similar to his towngame(people tend to FOS him as town all the time - it isn't a new thing.)

[DkKoba]

Koba why you didn't shot me on last night.

a) if you didn't shoot me, you'd get to shoot again into a scum win potentially
b) shooting you implies I'm scared of you and might get you to misshoot

I was 90% sure you shoot me though.

[DkKoba]

I was mimicking the same mindset I hold as town.
I do indeed disregard mechanical stuff, if you look into my game history you'll see in games like Large 236 i ignore a friendly neighbor claim in favor of my personal reads - and flip a scum there.

[DkKoba]

Should I put a pink hair anime girl avi in her honour I'm sorry Meuh

it looks great on you i really feel like you're town for some reason

[DkKoba]

after being intensely aware that HEM had you in their PoE too.

[DkKoba]

I did egg on that world I felt, I needed to eliminate you to protect NM though so we could endgame faster.

[DkKoba]

I still need to get another mislim after that. The idea was to bus NM in limlo once I didnt have to worry about it.