Open 850: Democrabilities (Postgame)

MegAzumarill · Post Post #500 (ISO) » Mon May 09, 2022 4:09 am

Dunnstral is being prodded

Radical Rat · Post Post #501 (ISO) » Mon May 09, 2022 5:34 am

Before the day ends, I do want to say that the nightkill is potentially going to be rather informative. It has to be submitted pre-game, which means they couldn't use anything that happened today to decide who to kill. So, either they did it completely randomly... Or they based it on knowledge of other players and deciding who might pose a threat. If they did deliberately choose a nightkill, it would most likely have been someone at least one of the scum was familiar with.... So a nightkill within Flea/Dunn/Titus/Myself could potentially implicate the others. Likewise, a kill on Alianna or Goldfish could implicate the other.

It's hardly damning evidence, but worth keeping in mind in conjunction with everything else.

Another thing would be to look at who was defending the kill target if it's someone who was being pushed today, because scum has a strong incentive to not let the kill target get eliminated. And if BOTH of those happen to apply, on top of generally scummy behavior.... Well, D2 should go a lot smoother then

MegAzumarill · Post Post #502 (ISO) » Mon May 09, 2022 9:12 am

Deadline has been reached.
Flip and nightstart incoming later today

MegAzumarill · Post Post #503 (ISO) » Mon May 09, 2022 10:13 am

Day 1 Final Vote Count

Titus (4*) GoldfishFromTheMoon, Radical Rat, Dunnstral, Flea the Magician [Eliminated]
Alianna (3) Titus, MalcolmTucker, Furtiveglance
Radical Rat (1) Cat.jpeg,

Not Voting (1): Alianna

With 9 alive it took 5 to send to the shadow realm.
* Denotes plurality

Deadline: (expired on 2022-05-09 16:07:45)

MegAzumarill · Post Post #504 (ISO) » Mon May 09, 2022 10:18 am

Titus was aligned with the

Town.

Night has begun!
The Mafia have (expired on 2022-05-11 17:18:01) to submit actions.
If you have not already received your death notice you survive until morning. The night one kill will be revealed at dawn.

MegAzumarill · Post Post #505 (ISO) » Mon May 09, 2022 10:19 am

If Dunnstral does not check in by morning they will be replaced.

MegAzumarill · Post Post #506 (ISO) » Wed May 11, 2022 5:07 pm

As the sun set 8 people went to their houses. In the morning.... 8 still remained.

The Day 2 Ability Phase shall be: Inform
The mafia has chosen a player, vote a player you want to learn the alignment of the player chosen by the mafia!

Votecount 2.0.0

Day 2: Taste- So many tasty things to eat

Not Voting: Radical Rat, MalcolmTucker, furtiveglance, GoldfishFromTheMoon, Dunnstral, Cat.Jpeg, Alianna, Flea The Magician

With 8 alive it takes 5 to make a decision.
Deadline:(expired on 2022-05-17 00:07:08)

GoldfishFromTheMoon · Post Post #507 (ISO) » Wed May 11, 2022 5:13 pm

In post 501, Radical Rat wrote:Before the day ends, I do want to say that the nightkill is potentially going to be rather informative. It has to be submitted pre-game, which means they couldn't use anything that happened today to decide who to kill. So, either they did it completely randomly... Or they based it on knowledge of other players and deciding who might pose a threat. If they did deliberately choose a nightkill, it would most likely have been someone at least one of the scum was familiar with.... So a nightkill within Flea/Dunn/Titus/Myself could potentially implicate the others. Likewise, a kill on Alianna or Goldfish could implicate the other.

It's hardly damning evidence, but worth keeping in mind in conjunction with everything else.

Another thing would be to look at who was defending the kill target if it's someone who was being pushed today, because scum has a strong incentive to not let the kill target get eliminated. And if BOTH of those happen to apply, on top of generally scummy behavior.... Well, D2 should go a lot smoother then

Let it be said that I was online when the daystart was posted

GoldfishFromTheMoon · Post Post #508 (ISO) » Wed May 11, 2022 5:13 pm

oops that first thing wasn't supposed to be replying to that, I was saving it for my next post

Alianna · Post Post #509 (ISO) » Wed May 11, 2022 5:14 pm

Let it be said that I also was online when the day start was posted. Is that relevant though?

furtiveglance · Post Post #510 (ISO) » Wed May 11, 2022 5:32 pm

I survived the night and all I got was this lousy t shirt.

GoldfishFromTheMoon · Post Post #511 (ISO) » Wed May 11, 2022 5:33 pm

In post 509, Alianna wrote:Let it be said that I also was online when the day start was posted. Is that relevant though?

no it's totally not

furtiveglance · Post Post #512 (ISO) » Wed May 11, 2022 5:34 pm

So basically we're voting for our top townread in this inform phase.

furtiveglance · Post Post #513 (ISO) » Wed May 11, 2022 5:34 pm

A bit about the Titus elimination, it was terrible, I hated it, it's really frustrating.

furtiveglance · Post Post #514 (ISO) » Wed May 11, 2022 5:36 pm

Flea voting for Titus slightly dampens my townread there. I think Goldfish is the most town for me.

I would like to inform Goldfish.

VOTE: Goldfish

GoldfishFromTheMoon · Post Post #515 (ISO) » Wed May 11, 2022 5:38 pm

I just lost the stuff I wrote about RR's post 501 which I quoted ): stupid dodgy wifi.

Anyway what I was going to say was that this comment: "So a nightkill within Flea/Dunn/Titus/Myself could potentially implicate the others" looks to me to come from a scum mindset, knowing the kill will be within that group.

GoldfishFromTheMoon · Post Post #516 (ISO) » Wed May 11, 2022 5:38 pm

In post 514, furtiveglance wrote:Flea voting for Titus slightly dampens my townread there. I think Goldfish is the most town for me.

I would like to inform Goldfish.

VOTE: Goldfish

Me too,

VOTE: Goldfish

the one time self voting is actually beneficial to town lol.

GoldfishFromTheMoon · Post Post #517 (ISO) » Wed May 11, 2022 5:39 pm

In post 513, furtiveglance wrote:A bit about the Titus elimination, it was terrible, I hated it, it's really frustrating.

Yeah I wanna apologise to you for that, feel free to say I told you so.

GoldfishFromTheMoon · Post Post #518 (ISO) » Wed May 11, 2022 5:40 pm

In post 514, furtiveglance wrote:Flea voting for Titus slightly dampens my townread there.

How so?
For me it did the opposite, pushing an elimination on the intended nightkill doesn't make sense for scum unless the wagon is on their partner.

GoldfishFromTheMoon · Post Post #519 (ISO) » Wed May 11, 2022 5:41 pm

In post 518, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote:
In post 514, furtiveglance wrote:Flea voting for Titus slightly dampens my townread there.
How so?
For me it did the opposite, pushing an elimination on the intended nightkill doesn't make sense for scum unless the wagon is on their partner.

*the other wagon

also sorry for spammy posting rn.

Alianna · Post Post #520 (ISO) » Wed May 11, 2022 5:41 pm

In post 448, furtiveglance wrote:I don't like the look of the Titus wagon, apart from Goldfish.

Could you explain why Goldfish is an exception here?

furtiveglance · Post Post #521 (ISO) » Wed May 11, 2022 5:43 pm

I haven't really changed my thoughts since yesterday. I think the Alianna wagon looked pretty clean, and might be my favourite vote in today: Part 2, even more so now that Titus is definitely town. Radical Rat still giving me bad vibes along with Dunnstral (or their replacement), but obviously only 2 mafia. I've changed my position on Cat slightly, they seemed to really want a vote on Radical Rat so might be town.

furtiveglance · Post Post #522 (ISO) » Wed May 11, 2022 5:45 pm

In post 520, Alianna wrote:
In post 448, furtiveglance wrote:I don't like the look of the Titus wagon, apart from Goldfish.
Could you explain why Goldfish is an exception here?

Strong gut townread which I explained in 304. Do you scumread Goldfish, or are you just trying to make me doubt?

Just fyi, I would consider this a scum+ post from you. It's just probing without offering any of your own analysis.

GoldfishFromTheMoon · Post Post #523 (ISO) » Wed May 11, 2022 5:46 pm

In post 521, furtiveglance wrote:I haven't really changed my thoughts since yesterday. I think the Alianna wagon looked pretty clean, and might be my favourite vote in today: Part 2, even more so now that Titus is definitely town. Radical Rat still giving me bad vibes along with Dunnstral (or their replacement), but obviously only 2 mafia. I've changed my position on Cat slightly, they seemed to really want a vote on Radical Rat so might be town.

Do you have any thoughts about assosiatives?

You have a lot of scum reads which makes me think this is a "if X is scum then Y isn't, but if X is town Y is definitely scum" kind of situation. so who do you think is paired or definitely isn't?

furtiveglance · Post Post #524 (ISO) » Wed May 11, 2022 5:46 pm

In post 518, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote:
In post 514, furtiveglance wrote:Flea voting for Titus slightly dampens my townread there.
How so?
For me it did the opposite, pushing an elimination on the intended nightkill doesn't make sense for scum unless the wagon is on their partner.

I hadn't considered this. It definitely wouldn't be ideal to vote the nightkill Day 1. I should think about this more.