Mini Normal 2272: Flash Games | Game Over!

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I'll be reading up later today. I was busy this weekend.

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Howdy. Looking at this now. Generally slammed on weekends

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VOTE: geratim

Wagons ahoy!

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I don't know how much high content you're expecting on page 10. I'm just trying to move the game forward.

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VOTE: geratim

Wagons ahoy!

I have nothing really good to say about gera, but why the quick vote?

I wanted to tie up wagons.

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I have played on another forum, but this is my first time here. I have never played with any of you before. The other forum, mafia was just a sub-thread. My question of the day was mentioned was an ice breaker. The fact that some of you got deeply offended by my outrageous scum tell play (sarcasm, is just laughable. Hopefully, we can now move onto everyone's joke vote analysis

Trying to build a case out of that is showing vote hungriness, and those who partake are blinded by the fact that your desire for a elimination let you think an simple introduction is scummy.

Day one IS the most tiring day to be active in and add this precious advancement... Someone quote the number 5 most advancing statement about THIS game (not mafia), and see how much it really adds.

Regardless of MM vote on me, I would have to agree on his views

My bad feeling side is dwlee mainly because their focus seems to jump around a little quick. Not saying scummy, just bad feeling side, that is all.

I'd vote here.

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I'm willing to near locktown UV unless two players do something. No I will not say what it is.

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I have played on another forum, but this is my first time here. I have never played with any of you before. The other forum, mafia was just a sub-thread. My question of the day was mentioned was an ice breaker. The fact that some of you got deeply offended by my outrageous scum tell play (sarcasm, is just laughable. Hopefully, we can now move onto everyone's joke vote analysis

Trying to build a case out of that is showing vote hungriness, and those who partake are blinded by the fact that your desire for a elimination let you think an simple introduction is scummy.

Day one IS the most tiring day to be active in and add this precious advancement... Someone quote the number 5 most advancing statement about THIS game (not mafia), and see how much it really adds.

Regardless of MM vote on me, I would have to agree on his views

My bad feeling side is dwlee mainly because their focus seems to jump around a little quick. Not saying scummy, just bad feeling side, that is all.

I'd vote here.

Why aren't you?

Because of the allegations they're new. I'm reflecting on whether their alleged newness has an impact on something. Another slot is being worse but I'm playing it close to the chest to see if it corrects on its own.

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Does Titus ever lurk as scum?

My activity is NAI.

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I have played on another forum, but this is my first time here. I have never played with any of you before. The other forum, mafia was just a sub-thread. My question of the day was mentioned was an ice breaker. The fact that some of you got deeply offended by my outrageous scum tell play (sarcasm, is just laughable. Hopefully, we can now move onto everyone's joke vote analysis

Trying to build a case out of that is showing vote hungriness, and those who partake are blinded by the fact that your desire for a elimination let you think an simple introduction is scummy.

Day one IS the most tiring day to be active in and add this precious advancement... Someone quote the number 5 most advancing statement about THIS game (not mafia), and see how much it really adds.

Regardless of MM vote on me, I would have to agree on his views

My bad feeling side is dwlee mainly because their focus seems to jump around a little quick. Not saying scummy, just bad feeling side, that is all.

I'd vote here.

Why aren't you?

Because of the allegations they're new. I'm reflecting on whether their alleged newness has an impact on something. Another slot is being worse but I'm playing it close to the chest to see if it corrects on its own.

Ok, the more serious one may have corrected. At least the problem isn't ignored.

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Yeah it's been pretty dead overall. I would support Ger, Moose, or Andres wagons at this point.

Interesting. It's almost if Monkey knows what I am struggling with.

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Agreed. I was hoping to see some movement in my hood. I am not sure if a single read is discussed.

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That's...certainly one way to claim that you're in a hood. Though that explains some of the things you've said so far.

Are you going to claim who's in it?

I am thinking on it. I'm hoping something we react to can happen first, but given the size, scum are likely (but not certainly) in it.

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Using hoods is very powerful but I can't command people to talk.

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@meuh

So...I have a way if random voting in every single game I play. Scorpious wanted me to break that pattern because they didn't want to go to 4 votes so quickly, but I ain't breaking my method for them. You can call it shutting down the conversation, but my last game had scorpious in it and they know elegantly what I was going to do

and i think this is the post Scorpious is complaining about (and replace the worked elegantly with exactly) - where i said Scoripious would know how i random vote (and i thought they did because we have played together a few times) and so would know how i generated my random vote. i didnt say anything about them knowing my meta-playstyle, more i thought they knew my meta-random vote method.

How DO you generate your random vote, might I ask?

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If someone is being sparse in the hood I’d bet on them being scum.

I was jnvited into one in my last game and I posted rarely. I didn't see thr point unless I could be sure of their alignment. I would read someone being circumspect as a cautious townie to be honest

Hoods are actually one of my favorite roles. It's a game within a game.

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So... there's a hood? I'm interested as to why it wasn't revealed earlier, I was under the impression it was generally better to claim it ASAP

I had the complete opposite impression. Isn't it supposed to be hidden?

Depends on the situation. Claiming post 1 generally has little benefit but having people know there's a hood can explain thread behaviors

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I don’t like the moose wagon right now and I’m almost assured there is at least one scum there right now.

VOTE: Scorpious

1) shades major wagon
2) has no vote elsewhere

A large wagon is likely to have scum. Scorpious doesn't say why he hates the wagon or who would be better. It's the opposite of helping the game move forward.

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I'd recommend claiming who's in it before the Day ends in case we have a PT Cop, so that they don't end up targeting someone in the hood and getting a false positive result.

I disagree on this.
If a PT cop/traffic analyst got a positive, they are aware of that. However, a PT Cop/traffic analyst should always factor in the possibility of a negative result.

Claiming all PTs at start only helps scum.

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Members of a neighborhood, or "hood", have the ability to talk in a seperate forum, but their alignment is not garaunteed to be town as masons are.

Masons are guaranteed not mafia. Since multiball (multiple evil factions or sk) is not allowed, masons would be guaranteed town in mini normals. Just wanted to clarify in case they join another queue.

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...Does the vote count if it's in white?

Intent usually counts. Bold tags almost explicitly count but using [ vote] player [/*vote] tags usually is clearer. Take out the space and the *.

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Maybe I misinterpreted that with another role.

You're 2008. How do you not know masons?

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This omgus is awesome. Lol.

Also, I'm going to remain silent on Moose atm. Deliberately but I gave hood thoughts.

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Speaking of lacking content, I would still like Titus to actually explain that vote they made.

They will or they will rep out. Not a person that will push the envelope of inactivity.

Does Titus ever lurk as scum?

This is moving to shade me. You know my activity is NAI, and then you start doubting. Not how it works

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Does Titus ever lurk as scum?

My activity is NAI.

I believe you.

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Scorpious, you've been shopping me with no real action on me until I voted you. It's the definition of OMGUS and the fact you deny it is fishy.

Nothing shady about an OMGUS but your guilt is shady.

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I'd like to also +1 the full hood claim.

Disagree. Why though?

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Scorpious, you've been shopping me with no real action on me until I voted you. It's the definition of OMGUS and the fact you deny it is fishy.

Nothing shady about an OMGUS but your guilt is shady.

You also know I’m easy limbait. So there is also that…

So I should ignore you being obviously scummy because you describe yourself as limbait? Ok. I'll get right on that. [/s]

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Scorpious, you've been shopping me with no real action on me until I voted you. It's the definition of OMGUS and the fact you deny it is fishy.

Nothing shady about an OMGUS but your guilt is shady.

If you think that level of push is up to your standard, then that alone is fishy.

That’s not something you would do without an alterior motive.

If it was honest it would be a 3 paragraph long, substantially fact based push.
This was weak and lazy

Then do it. Case me with three paragraphs about why my push is inadequate in a dead game.

While you're at it, explain why most of your mentions of me

before my vote on you

focus on exclusively my activity which you stated was NAI. Why didn't you say something then to give power to a slow game?

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Scorpious, you've been shopping me with no real action on me until I voted you. It's the definition of OMGUS and the fact you deny it is fishy.

Nothing shady about an OMGUS but your guilt is shady.

If you think that level of push is up to your standard, then that alone is fishy.

That’s not something you would do without an alterior motive.

If it was honest it would be a 3 paragraph long, substantially fact based push.
This was weak and lazy

Then do it. Case me with three paragraphs about why my push is inadequate in a dead game.

While you're at it, explain why most of your mentions of me

before my vote on you

focus on exclusively my activity which you stated was NAI. Why didn't you say something then to give power to a slow game?

I questioned your activity because there was none of it…

Yes, but you knew all along it was NAI and shaded me anyway?

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I’m not going to 1v1 you.

I’ll never win, but I would love to see how adamant you want to get here.

You claim lazy and thren you say never win. You're moving your own votes to deny content.

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I’m going to sit back and watch this build up to get a better feel, before my next trick.

Just be careful here scum. Just a friendly warning..

Just cut the bullshit and claim your PR. You softed way too loudly for scum to actually jump on you at this point.

VOTE: Andres

Wasn’t softing, that whole exchange is me being mixed up…

Mixed up on what? Because to me it blatantly looks like you were trying to soft a PR when you started receiving some pressure.

That's exactly what he was doing.

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But the intent is to stop town from voting him.

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@Moose, are you forgetting something?

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Ok. I should have VLAed over the weekend. Why is Scorpious not dead?

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We are not doing this claim hood nonsense. That's scum motivated. There's no proof there even is a PT Cop or not.

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We are not doing this claim hood nonsense. That's scum motivated. There's no proof there even is a PT Cop or not.

It's not scum motivated. I literally just played as a PT cop in a game where people didn't claim hoods, not dealing with that again

And I just dealt with a game where conftown decided to push through many miseliminations due to metagaming a hood and clears.

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It appears I am outvoted. For simplicity, the hood is me, Varma, Moose, and Italino.

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My early posting was to try and get Moose and Andres to post. Given the depth of cluelessness in posting in the hood, I think Moose is town.

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So basically, when Andres was here, the hood was the 4 lowest volume posters in the game. That's some RNG right there.

Also Vanya's logic is.. Kind of exactly why scum *wouldn't* want to shoot into an all-town hood. If people are going to assume there's scum in there, why would scum voluntarily reduce the pool of people? They'd want town to trick itself into a witch hunt inside the hood, which earlier sounded like similar happened in a recent game.

Can you define "cluelessness" further? He's got all of 11 posts in the game itself, and just got prodded for like, a third or fourth time Anything additional would help.

Sure. Moose, while active here, didn't post in the hood until I bolded even with multiple hints. I think scum would have coached Moose to at least say hi in the hood.

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What the crap? Gamma I'm confused.

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I'm suspicious of why MM took off at all given how obviously scum Scorpious is. This VCA will be telling.

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P. Edit: Also interesting that this comment of yours immediately summoned MM back into the game!

MM posting at all is town indicative. Scum could just clam up not to give reads.

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Well welcome. There's certain ways to deal with the behavior you're talking about. Both alignments flail. The players need to feel listened to. That helps communication. If people feel that no one's listening, they'll lash out.

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Well welcome. There's certain ways to deal with the behavior you're talking about. Both alignments flail. The players need to feel listened to. That helps communication. If people feel that no one's listening, they'll lash out.

We asked MM to give scum people. He gave us 3 names.

He then voted someone solely for voting him.

Like what exactly is supposed to be done about play like this if it's coming from town?

To recognize certain players behave differently. Everyone is inconsistent. Someone can have a reaction that someone voting them is ridiculous. We can't change people but promote the good. If I was more available, I could help more.

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Well welcome. There's certain ways to deal with the behavior you're talking about. Both alignments flail. The players need to feel listened to. That helps communication. If people feel that no one's listening, they'll lash out.

Okay, but this is so not what happened with Monkey. Almost everyone asked for him to engage and he refused repeatedly, so no I don’t feel sorry at all. If you’re town then I’m gonna be pretty pissed because you could have NOT been eliminated, but if you’re scum then it makes total sense.

If he's town I have 0 regrets removing him from the game. Only anger and annoyance.

He's the kind of player that needs to be removed for a game to actually be able to progress.

Sometimes people don't mesh. I don't mesh with people who have bad mechanics and discount VCA. You don't work well with people who I have self centric reads. I read based on relationships.

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I tend to get a lot of attention based on my playstyle, what can I say. It gets frustrating when people don't see NAI for NAI.

Who do you think messed up versus scum? I have issues with the back half of your wagon.

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Can anyone summarize the real case on MM?

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Crescent

I like this better..

UNVOTE:

Just wanted to be sure..

Def scum, if not. Wtf are you doing man?

VOTE: MM

What exactly did you say here other than Scorpious is scum lol?

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All ready for you to hammer at your discretion, Crescent..

Actually I think MM is E-2

Like your ISO is vapid jumping without reason or comment. There's nothing to dismiss lol.

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Can anyone summarize the real case on MM?

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Crescent

I like this better..

UNVOTE:

Just wanted to be sure..

Def scum, if not. Wtf are you doing man?

VOTE: MM

What exactly did you say here other than Scorpious is scum lol?

It was a reaction test. But it doesn’t matter.. your ego has me “pegged” anyway..

I’ve already crumbed my role..

Right the I'm a PR excuse.

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What were you hoping to get from your test?

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What were you hoping to get from your test?

Read the game..

I read your ISO. There's no explanation.

You jump from townreading me to scumreading me in the blink of an eye this conversation. You cannot keep your story straight, just like with MM/Cresent or is this a reaction test too? [/s]

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Reading ItalianoVD and Dwlee99 makes me feel like such a badass.

Bonus points to Math for being FoSed in a game he's not even in. I want him to sub in now.

VOTE: Scorpious

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Claiming a PR doesn't mean he is one. Anyone can claim to be a PR. Scum almost never claim VT day 1 for posts like yours.

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I'm torn between not trusting Scorpious at all and not trusting the quick votes on him - But especially Gamma's. Gamma's vote felt both opportunistic and for a bad reason. Scorpious being alive is completely NAI - No good scumteam shoots a town Scorpious last night.

I can see where this comes from even though voting Scorpious is the right thing to do. I could also see a buddu defending Scorpious. However, you don't let a player go whine about being a PR and do nothing but spout bs.

I'd like to get some other reads though. I have a few town but would like to block this out.

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I feel weird from both Dwlee and Scorpious. They try to set up a legend that I'm a god tier player (am not) and then at the same time argue that scum doing something means I auto die. It's a nonsensical setup that leaves me confused.

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There's two major flaws with Scorpious's decision to crumb from post 1. First, it supposes only town will see it. There's no way that by post 8, Scorpious would know the crumbs would be safe.

Second, he misunderstands (regardless of his alignment) the strengths I bring to the table. I am better than some at the game because I try to surround people with the skills I lack. I am better with data but shit with undertones and the "crumbs" are one big undertone.

Scorpious has been all about division, while I want a setup that best allows hunting..

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More on second, a BoP like that from Scorpious is absolutely scummy because he should know how I operate by now.

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Woot! A hood buddy who might be active!

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I admit, i hate this playstyle. trailing votes in advance, pointing out multiple places you could go and then wait, but nowhere near enough for me to give them enough scum equity to want to vote for them.
right now, i don't want to vote anyone, but caraclily is in the posistion where i am watching their votes and see when and where they appear on wagons.

Claims to hate setting up votes.

This is setting up votes lol.

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The push on scorpious today was always going to flush out a claim and nothing else

I can agree with this.

No. That's not why he was pushed unless you think scum are taking advantage of me. Scorpious should still be the elimination and I have provided upteen million reasons.

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Gotcha. I mean it could just be used as a sort of worse roleblocker if there's an investigative role or anything that scum would want blocked. Doesn't need to have a vigilante. Scorpious was actually just a 2-shot mafia jailkeeper in a recently completed Datisi mini

Do you think this could be a case of someone fake-claiming a role they've actually gotten before? (and Scorpious being mafia but not JK)
iirc that's a habit some players have, but it's more a newbie scumtell than anything else, isn't it? I wouldn't expect someone who's been here since 2015 to have that sort of habit.

A jailkeeper claim is great for a scum roleblocker.

*tracker tracks Scorpious to obvious town*

Well of course I was just protecting them or trying to.

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@Titus: What’s your read on Vanya? Has it changed, stayed the same?

Same question to Scorpious and Gamma.

I'm a little worried due to not remembering any recent posts but I still feel they are town.

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I think gera is a hit

JV can be scum with or without scorpious. JV!scum would actually give me the vibe scorpious could be town because of the white knight angle but that isn't certain

I think scum!roleblocker chance is high, so I think scorpious is scum >rand probably but support low + gera more likely

Anybody can be scum with or without scorpious. Don't know why you wanted to single me out specifically with this. I'm not white knighting unless I have the definition wrong, I am stating clearly that they're very much LHF in terms of their stance in the Town.

Can't add much to the mechanical stuff haven't read the game :p

I hate the term LHF. I feel it's just applied to any popular wagon someone doesn't like.

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Woot! A hood buddy who might be active!

And how has this enhanced the game for you?

It will enhance the game because active hood means more discussion of reads. That's why the role exists.

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Also, I will pursue your elimination as long as I can and want to. I'll compromise when I must.

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Woot! A hood buddy who might be active!

And how has this enhanced the game for you?

It will enhance the game because active hood means more discussion of reads. That's why the role exists.

Is the eye roll necessary? People wonder why I get annoyed. Can we not answer each other without some sort of snark?

Alright. I could hear the snark in your post. You don't snark at me and I won't snark at you. I'd get annoyed if I had me locked onto you as scum.

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I hate the term LHF. I feel it's just applied to any popular wagon someone doesn't like.

I am using the term as they are always wagoned no matter what alignment they are. Assume I am using the term semantically meaning they're typically wagoned based on their playstyle. This is irregardless of alignment as it happened to them both in scum games and town games I've played with them in. In addition their tone this game is pretty good in my honest opinion so I am more confident that they are Town based solely on recent posts, this might even be doubled down due to possible pressure they'd have.

Strongly disagree. Scorpious acts like scum caught. He whines about me pushing exclusively him while falling in and out of perspectives. You can read some of his posts and they imply a town read. Others he's vocal about me being scum. He can't be consistent. I don't have to solve the game. I just need to get one.

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@Titus: What’s your read on Vanya? Has it changed, stayed the same?

Same question to Scorpious and Gamma.

I'm a little worried due to not remembering any recent posts but I still feel they are town.

What specifically makes you think Vanya is town?

Their opening. They were the only one posting in the hood at first.

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I read Jackson's posts and I'm still a bit confused. I'll try later.

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I read Jackson's posts and I'm still a bit confused. I'll try later.

What part are you confused about? I'll attempt to clarify, I'm quite tired busy day at work + running on 2 hours sleep.

I'm exhausted too. Could be fatigue on both our parts but I got confused by everything.

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I'll be looking through the thread tomorrow and putting together a readwall. However, I am shocked by Math actually putting forth reasons that he finds missing to call me scum when they aren't. I'll need to show him that tomorrow

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Definitely not back tonight. Work emergency.

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I’m kinda thinking Titus
She complained early on that the hood wasn’t really active but didn’t actually seem to show genuine care
That kinda feels like she wanted to pocket people in it?

I can definitely feel that. Especially how she’s not “omg be in my block” “my block”.

I also kinda feel Carca is with Titus for the response not S&S yet was on record suspecting Scorpious but then poof when I ask who they want dead.

Like I think Titus is the lynchpin with the Roden kill.

You and JV are utterly inconsistent here. I think the hood is my townblock. I have stated as much. I am concerned JV is taking advantage of numbers = scum. 90% my reads (expression) are stating people are town.

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She’s called/implied the hood as a masonry as well despite in a 13 player game that’s sus as hell, so if she’s scum I think that *might* clear JV and Italiano.

That's how I felt at the time but I continuously reset on players. See Vanya.

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She’s called/implied the hood as a masonry as well despite in a 13 player game that’s sus as hell, so if she’s scum I think that *might* clear JV and Italiano.

I'd like to add that the speak in the hood has me confident that it's Titus if any, and I am assuming there is at least one. I'd be willing to chain-elim me followed by them if that's required but I don't think it would be.

This looks like it is designed to take attention away from Scorpious. Even if he sacrifices, then scum get two more nights with Scorpious.

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In this game MathBlade (Titus' brother) night killed Roden N1 because he thought he was a power role

I have a predisposition toward killing Roden as I believe they are top tier town. However I wasn’t in the game at this point.

Titus I don’t think has such a predisposition that I am aware of but my skill set with Roden is rather limited.

I think it’s either a null kill or trying to poison the waters and make Titus look good.

I don't really see a scorp/titus s/s cuz iirc they've been tunneling eachother quite a bit.

Yeah I saw Roden’s claim and I thought Scorpious is probably town. I just hate that Titus vote.

What do you make of Titus?

Mixed. Two things that stand out to me are the hood claim and the hard scorp tunneling. Being first to claim the hood felt kinda ballsy to me. Still don't understand why she was so against the full hood claim.
The tunneling is concerning, though I'm seeing the same deal from dwlee. I can't fathom scorp being partnered with either, so my instinct is telling me that dwlee/titus are T if scorp flips S. Im open to the alternative T!scorp and S!dwlee/titus, but I trust that way less.

I really don't get the obvious that people don't get revealing people who

usually

don't have other roles to scum. The hood isn't guaranteed to have scum, but that is possible. I felt outing the exact people was proscum but I literally could not explain the problems without outing the existence of the hood. It was an impossible place.

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Question to everyone:

Who would you jail tonight if you were me?

Italiano / Crescent

So you’d jail excusively probably town in your eyes?

Damn this is a race for who is scummiest between you and Titus.

Lmao. This is literally the last game over again. I kinda get why you feel like this.

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Primarily because I can understand the tunnel coming from a stubborn town perspective, while I'm struggling to find a town perspective in the manner in which scorp was claiming yesterday. The softing with barley a wagon, trying to take back the soft, then full claiming immediately the next day just feels odd. They've been finnicky about it as if they were unsure about their own role.

The JK claim/crumb threw me for a bit of a loop. I'd say it's the only reason why I feel less confident pushing that elim today.

This also might be scum with Scorpious. They're positioned to vote either way.

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It’s too restrictive. Scum under pressure almost always do some low powered invest for this reason.

How you play scum =/= how others play.

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Carca's Day 2 activity has been pinging me. And then not saying much when she does post.

Clarify, activity as in post material or frequency?

Both. Feels like you have the game figured out or you like where the gamestate is and are not trying to do anything to change it.

Can you rephrase this?

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I wish you were in the hood Carca because I really, really think you’re scum.

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This is town you. You say not to point out crumbs

The context here is different. You don't randomly point out crumbs, but verifying a claim makes sense. The ratonale mentioned no longer applies.

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ItalianoVD - old Andres. Andres I had a huge problem with. Italino is a bit better. Still feel better than I did before. Lean tiwn.
geraintm - Goal to reread to sort.
Gamma Emerald - problem with the hammer. Better today. Goal to sort.
Meuh - Strong town. Leader in producing content.
Scorpious - Obvious Scum.
Mathblade - Strong town lean. It would solifidy if I saw some scumhunting not contingent upon scum in hood.
Titus - me
Uncle Vanya - Was strong town because sole activity in hood. Dipped now bc low activity. Worried they took advantage.
Crescent - I don't remember them.
Dwlee99 - Strong town. Solid analysis.
Carcalilly - I felt strong town yesterday. Don't like fencesitting. Math is right there.

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In the short version, Math musinderstands my position. It is possible the hood is all town. It should be treated as such until evidence is shown otherwise.

Math's tone matches our last game.

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Dwlee thoughts on my readwall? What do you agree with? What do you disagree with?

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Mathblade replaces Uncle Vanya

Like c’mon sis.

I'm sorry. I legit haven't been feeling well. My reads on the slots are true. There's no positive as either alignment to screw up that badly.

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In the short version, Math musinderstands my position. It is possible the hood is all town. It should be treated as such until evidence is shown otherwise.

Math's tone matches our last game.

Nope. Nope absolutely nope.

> 80% odds a scum exists for a person outside the hood.

Inside the hood it’s slightly different but def higher than rand.

I don't setup spec. Most players are town. Even in the hood, it's likely at least 50% is town.

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Mathblade replaces Uncle Vanya

Like c’mon sis.

I'm sorry. I legit haven't been feeling well. My reads on the slots are true. There's no positive as either alignment to screw up that badly.

What do you make of Dwlee not calling you out on it?

Didn't read/notice/analyze his response yet but that's not good.

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And it’s really rich you don’t setup spec yet your entire argument for Scorpious scum is the spec/bad PR. Like no.

Negative. My response is his bad responses and then argued he used his claim as a defense. Grabbing a quotes in a moment if case not called.

[Titus]

If you really still think Scorpious is scum partner hunt.

This is good if Scorpious wagon dies.

[Titus]

Math has already gone over his TR on me pretty substantially
Feels like there’s ulterior motive to that question Carcalilly

Confused, who has alterior motive.

[Titus]

Can anyone summarize the real case on MM?

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Crescent

I like this better..

UNVOTE:

Just wanted to be sure..

Def scum, if not. Wtf are you doing man?

VOTE: MM

What exactly did you say here other than Scorpious is scum lol?

It was a reaction test. But it doesn’t matter.. your ego has me “pegged” anyway..

I’ve already crumbed my role..

Right the I'm a PR excuse.

Yup

I hate the term LHF. I feel it's just applied to any popular wagon someone doesn't like.

I am using the term as they are always wagoned no matter what alignment they are. Assume I am using the term semantically meaning they're typically wagoned based on their playstyle. This is irregardless of alignment as it happened to them both in scum games and town games I've played with them in. In addition their tone this game is pretty good in my honest opinion so I am more confident that they are Town based solely on recent posts, this might even be doubled down due to possible pressure they'd have.

Strongly disagree. Scorpious acts like scum caught. He whines about me pushing exclusively him while falling in and out of perspectives. You can read some of his posts and they imply a town read. Others he's vocal about me being scum. He can't be consistent. I don't have to solve the game. I just need to get one.

I hate the term LHF. I feel it's just applied to any popular wagon someone doesn't like.

I am using the term as they are always wagoned no matter what alignment they are. Assume I am using the term semantically meaning they're typically wagoned based on their playstyle. This is irregardless of alignment as it happened to them both in scum games and town games I've played with them in. In addition their tone this game is pretty good in my honest opinion so I am more confident that they are Town based solely on recent posts, this might even be doubled down due to possible pressure they'd have.

Strongly disagree. Scorpious acts like scum caught. He whines about me pushing exclusively him while falling in and out of perspectives. You can read some of his posts and they imply a town read. Others he's vocal about me being scum. He can't be consistent. I don't have to solve the game. I just need to get one.

[Titus]

If you really still think Scorpious is scum partner hunt.

This is good if Scorpious wagon dies.

Cool it died 4 pages ago. Quit reviving it if you’re town.

I believe Scorpious is the only other wagon with multiple votes besides myself, but a VC may dispel that.

[Titus]

Does Titus ever lurk as scum?

My activity is NAI.

I believe you.

Does Titus ever lurk as scum?

I don’t like the moose wagon right now and I’m almost assured there is at least one scum there right now.

VOTE: Scorpious

1) shades major wagon
2) has no vote elsewhere

A large wagon is likely to have scum. Scorpious doesn't say why he hates the wagon or who would be better. It's the opposite of helping the game move forward.

This might possibly be the worst vote in this game, and that’s an achievement.

The wagon is 4, that’s not “large”.
I’ve been moving this game forward since the onset..

This is so beneath you..

I just ISO’d you Titus..

You’re vote looks even worse when you add the hypocritical nature of it..

Scorpious, you've been shopping me with no real action on me until I voted you. It's the definition of OMGUS and the fact you deny it is fishy.

Nothing shady about an OMGUS but your guilt is shady.

If you think that level of push is up to your standard, then that alone is fishy.

That’s not something you would do without an alterior motive.

If it was honest it would be a 3 paragraph long, substantially fact based push.
This was weak and lazy

I’m not going to 1v1 you.

I’ll never win, but I would love to see how adamant you want to get here.

[Titus]

Math has already gone over his TR on me pretty substantially
Feels like there’s ulterior motive to that question Carcalilly

Most of it has been metagaming. Idk how many games y'all have played with eachother but I'd prefer this game specifically reasons, so ones I'd actually understand.

That hammer is so scummy scum never does it.

Scorpious’s play is something scum doesn’t do.

My reasons have been in this game.

That's two players you're stating are too scummy to be scum....maybe they're just scum?

[Titus]

Math has already gone over his TR on me pretty substantially
Feels like there’s ulterior motive to that question Carcalilly

Most of it has been metagaming. Idk how many games y'all have played with eachother but I'd prefer this game specifically reasons, so ones I'd actually understand.

That hammer is so scummy scum never does it.

Scorpious’s play is something scum doesn’t do.

My reasons have been in this game.

That's two players you're stating are too scummy to be scum....maybe they're just scum?

Nope. I will die before them.

You can try to wagon me and see how far you get.

Those wagons are dead.

Why would I wagon you? I don't think you're scum. A bully but not scum. Note Gamma voting me right after I called him out.

[Titus]

You see Titus/Carca/Dwlee Gamma?

Titus just goes “it’s bad” on Dwlee and doesn’t want to cooperate and go for Dwlee?

Like c’mon. There’s no way Dwlee should be strong town.

This is just you pushing whoever might vote for Scorpious. I'm willing to hunt outside of Scorpious is truly dead. I can admit Dwlee's last post is troublesome. I literally just posted reads on the whole game, like you requested.

Cooperate =/= vote who Math wants in contradiction of my own reads. Scum Titus did that in our last game. In fact, I was frustrated because you wouldn't decide on any one of the three misrliminations in the hood.

[Titus]

ItalianoVD - old Andres. Andres I had a huge problem with. Italino is a bit better. Still feel better than I did before. Lean tiwn.
geraintm - Goal to reread to sort.
Gamma Emerald - problem with the hammer. Better today. Goal to sort.
Meuh - Strong town. Leader in producing content.
Scorpious - Obvious Scum.
Mathblade - Strong town lean. It would solifidy if I saw some scumhunting not contingent upon scum in hood.
Titus - me
Uncle Vanya - Was strong town because sole activity in hood. Dipped now bc low activity. Worried they took advantage.
Crescent - I don't remember them.
Dwlee99 - Strong town. Solid analysis.
Carcalilly - I felt strong town yesterday. Don't like fencesitting. Math is right there.

here Titus says she'd like to sort me, but it doesn't feel like she's done anything to actively attempt that. And yet she's throwing shade saying I may just be scum instead of tstbs, when combining that with hood issues I called out earlier it becomes rather problematic

This pretends I didn't scumread you first and never have problems with quickhammers which the opposite is true.

[Titus]

you have done jack shit about that scumread though, you've neither pushed nor actively attempted to sort me. And I'm not saying your problem with the hammer is pretend. Don't get how you read that into my comment.
Also: I think the idea me + Scorp could be scum together is rather wild based on how I've interacted with him this day phase.

I've quoted it here. My goal is to find 1 scum today, not the team.

[Titus]

You’re never going to convince me on Gamma or Scorpious. I will fight you tooth and nail.

You can either hunt elsewhere (ideally in the hood) or I have zero problem flipping you to help solve the hood.

I have reads I'd like you to engage with. That would help.

My hunting is independent of hood status.

I gtg work.

[Titus]

you have done jack shit about that scumread though, you've neither pushed nor actively attempted to sort me. And I'm not saying your problem with the hammer is pretend. Don't get how you read that into my comment.
Also: I think the idea me + Scorp could be scum together is rather wild based on how I've interacted with him this day phase.

I've quoted it here. My goal is to find 1 scum today, not the team.

it feels like you're content to chain miseliminate scorpious today and me tomorrow based on the weak effort of your read on me.

If Scorpious flips town (he won't) then I'd have zero credible to push you. Town you would know this and never suggest this. Fake paranoia.

[Titus]

My hunting is independent of hood status.

Why

I don't setup spec or outguess the mod. It leads to wins like my bad babysitter claim we did together.

[Titus]

Really gone now.

[Titus]

Titus if you’re town let go. Scorpious can happen later if you’re right. I just don’t think you are. You’re just blatantly not seeing the signs in front of you. Scorpious is town.

Alright. Looks like I have to explain why you need to sit down and shut up. I am a combined doctor and neighbor.

My plan all along has been to use the hood as a method to find the entire scumteam without outing being a doctor or being perceived as a threat.

We had a Scorpious elimination when activity was reasonable so I wouldn't have to out. However you gave scum a place to hide, turn around his wagon and stop me from playing my game.

All for a scumfuck who telegraphed a weak protective claim he planned bc he knows he gets caught as scum.

Duck you.

[Titus]

My suspicion but not certainty is D and Carc picked up on it.

[Titus]

Two protectives is real? Bullshit. Show me where it has happened.

[Titus]

Two protectives is real? Bullshit. Show me where it has happened.

we were in a setup with doc + JK + RB a while back
but yeah I don't think doc neighbor + even night JK exist
and I quoted some posts regarding it earlier, scorpious' crumb was not very full-send, there was multiple interruptions
my issue is math's solve felt coherent, and I feel like given his history a coherent solve from him should probably be right

Math being coherent is a sign of improvement not accuracy.

[Titus]

Also if you were so sure that its a full town neighbourhood. Why not claim in there

I wasn't. My position was to treat the hood as town and I developed weak reads individually.

[Titus]

I think Meuh is mafia.

Fair. Too quiet. Avoided my claim.

[Titus]

VLA 24-48 hours, cooling off

[Titus]

VLA 24-48 hours, cooling off

...Isn't the day over in like 24 hours?

Didn't see that. Well I guess angry Titus.

[Titus]

Math is absolutely right by the way. As much as I personally hate letting situations like this go relatively unresolved, it's only day 2 and we should not be killing either of them.

Math is right??? I was the one that had to convince them.

Yeah he calmed me down from rage Math

Now, if only he could get you to actually vote scum. Oh wait that violates any pride.

[Titus]

Math is absolutely right by the way. As much as I personally hate letting situations like this go relatively unresolved, it's only day 2 and we should not be killing either of them.

Math is right??? I was the one that had to convince them.

Yeah he calmed me down from rage Math

Now, if only he could get you to actually vote scum. Oh wait that violates any pride.

can you not be a bitch to math for one fucking game?

Can he not always dismiss me or call me scum for one game? I was extremely respectful the last game we played. I'm done with being insulted.

[Titus]

Gerain should be the lim in my humble opinion and I'm unsure why they've been let off the hook

Whoever doesn't kiss Math's ass is scum, didn't you hear?

[Titus]

Gerain should be the lim in my humble opinion and I'm unsure why they've been let off the hook

Whoever doesn't kiss Math's ass is scum, didn't you hear?

JV didn’t kiss my ass and I townread him.

Titus calm down please an analyze the gamestate.

Who do you think is scum (besides or excluding Scorpious)?

JV because you are wrong. He immediately followed all of your wrong reads.

[Titus]

The more I read of the present posts, the more concerned I am with what those pages I missed look like...

You should read them.

No. Here's the TLDR
I CCed Scorp with a Doc claim.
Math claimed GS with a clear on Gamma.

[Titus]

Gerain should be the lim in my humble opinion and I'm unsure why they've been let off the hook

Whoever doesn't kiss Math's ass is scum, didn't you hear?

JV didn’t kiss my ass and I townread him.

Titus calm down please an analyze the gamestate.

Who do you think is scum (besides or excluding Scorpious)?

JV because you are wrong. He immediately followed all of your wrong reads.

Now we are getting somewhere.

Which of my reads did JV follow me on that you feel are wrong?

Scorpious Carc Dwlee

[Titus]

Can he not always dismiss me or call me scum for one game? I was extremely respectful the last game we played. I'm done with being insulted.

I feel like he was being alright in 2238 but you treated him like crap that game
also, I think with the context of his check on me his approach to you seems way more sensible then you're willing to give him credit for. you soft pushed his gunsmith inno for a good chunk of today. Me and math just had a game where I kinda tripped scum!him up by allowing him to dig his own grave pushing my traffic analyst inno.

I'm too angry to discuss this rationally but I never treat Math like crap, but have moved to policy eliminate him because he is frequently wrong and bad.

[Titus]

Can he not always dismiss me or call me scum for one game? I was extremely respectful the last game we played. I'm done with being insulted.

I feel like he was being alright in 2238 but you treated him like crap that game
also, I think with the context of his check on me his approach to you seems way more sensible then you're willing to give him credit for. you soft pushed his gunsmith inno for a good chunk of today. Me and math just had a game where I kinda tripped scum!him up by allowing him to dig his own grave pushing my traffic analyst inno.

I'm too angry to discuss this rationally but I never treat Math like crap, but have moved to policy eliminate him because he is frequently wrong and bad.

If you’re too angry to discuss this rationally please move elsewhere.

You have Scorpious scum locked
Carca and Dwlee town locked
The hood town locked

This means your PoE is tiny yeah?

Talk there please. That PoE is where we can see who responds to what.

I have. You've ignored it. So you get grumpy Titus.

Screw deadline, I must leave for a few hours. Phone tying, tilt, work and I want to write my new novel.

[Titus]

We’re not doing Scorpious people. Pick your number two if you really think he is.

This.

We are doing Scorpious. Get off your high horse. We are not letting outed scum go. If we do that we lose.

Leaving again.

[Titus]

Good night. As frustrated as I am, I wish you a good night and happiness IRL.

[Titus]

Scorp lim.

Happy Birthday.

[Titus]

Dwlee why G over Carca?

Gera is scummy

What’s your case on Gera?

Where is your town case on Scorpious?

[Titus]

Dwlee why G over Carca?

Gera is scummy

What’s your case on Gera?

Where is your town case on Scorpious?

My case on Scorpious elim is why he wasn’t elimmed D1. We want to evaluate the claim.

The PR actions are:
Scorpious on Gamma
You on me.
I check someone

Thoughts?

It's evaluated. Giving more time to lock scum = let him use his ability one more time.

[Titus]

He claimed PR that he crumbed from the outset despite the crumbs giving no utility to town and now he's CCed. Giving him another day is scum in your ear.

[Titus]

Scorpious or his team have a roleblocker or strongman.

You die. We are in the same position.

Scum me agrees to this plan and then says I told you do.

[Titus]

Or scum you doesn’t have those things so you’re desperate?

The responses immediately dunking on his claim show he’s town.

Scum just doesn’t do the crumb you’re talking about to me.

It’s not happening today.

Talk with me about G and Carca?

No one is actually voting him. Words are lip service.

If they aren't voting Scorpious, then they're part of the problem.

Going to work now.

[Titus]

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so,
They quite forgot their quarrel.

In the mood of this thread, I want a noodle. Pie will also do.

[Titus]

Do you have any reads Titus?

Considering JV tried hard to save Carca and Carca seems lolcatty I want to reevaluate you.

I still think you’re scum but I am trying to see where you aren’t.

I don't want to do either wagon as they exist to save Scorpious. I feel JV is wifoming here to stop the game from turning to Scorpious. Just drag out whatever wagon exists and Scorpious lives.

[Titus]

Do you have any reads Titus?

Considering JV tried hard to save Carca and Carca seems lolcatty I want to reevaluate you.

I still think you’re scum but I am trying to see where you aren’t.

I don't want to do either wagon as they exist to save Scorpious. I feel JV is wifoming here to stop the game from turning to Scorpious. Just drag out whatever wagon exists and Scorpious lives.

[Titus]

I am Pi That’s my nickname you can heal me (like the town agreed on plan) and hopefully work with me tomorrow.

You did not get the joke.

Hang out Friday?

[Titus]

Do you have any reads Titus?

Considering JV tried hard to save Carca and Carca seems lolcatty I want to reevaluate you.

I still think you’re scum but I am trying to see where you aren’t.

I don't want to do either wagon as they exist to save Scorpious. I feel JV is wifoming here to stop the game from turning to Scorpious. Just drag out whatever wagon exists and Scorpious lives.

Carca is already hammered and their response was to tell me to eat ass

Oh. Details are tech.

Will reread later in the hood maybe. Tonight is date night.

[Titus]

Maybe. Depends on work.

What’s your read on Carca’s scum buddies?

JV and Scorpious.

[Titus]

Assuming Carc is scum.

[Titus]

Titus,
I’ll make you a deal..

If I flip scum I will retire from MS..

How’s that one work?

You know these bets are illegal.

If they weren't, I would have made 1 5 days ago

[Titus]

Titus,
I’ll make you a deal..

If I flip scum I will retire from MS..

How’s that one work?

You know these bets are illegal.

If they weren't, I would have made 1 5 days ago

It’s not a bet..

Semantics. Promising future OOG stuff based on a game flip is prohibted. Thor used to do it

[Titus]

Hypothetically it is but calling out things like that is also against the rules so let’s all pretend that doesn’t exist.

Explaining isn't against rules. I wasn't seeking mod intervention.

[Titus]

Fair. I never said it, and was never called out on it.just bored in twilight..

Honestly didn’t know it was againSt the rules…

My bad

Figure.

Math, no point if C is flipped. I ain't dying and I have a shiny hood.

[Titus]

Things you can say during sex AND a funeral.. go!

I'm glad you came.

[Titus]

This will stay just between us.

[Titus]

Funny and awkward that's the hydra slip post on too many levels.

[Titus]

This will stay just between us.

Who is this guy?

That's an alt slip of my hydra... with Malakittens.

[Titus]

Who is this guy?

This can also be said during drunken sex or aimlessly walking into a funeral.

[Titus]

Things you can say during sex AND a funeral.. go!

Do you want a tissue?

Winner by a mile..

That's the poor SoP's story.

[Titus]

Son of a Person

[Titus]

I'll be catching up later this morning or tomorrow evening

[Titus]

VOTE: Titus
Easiest vote ever. She let the Kayfabe drop HARD last night.

Btw y’all are forgetting Scorpious is even nights only

I am vla weekends. Even now, I am rushing to work. This is my usual weekend time.

[Titus]

This game was not in any way balanced.

One slot had to survive to not create masons.
One near guaranteed clear/guilty from gunsmith.
Unlimmable universal backup.
Unlimmable detective who autoclears if the game reaches 1 scum.


Versus 1 rolecop that can only detect one role.