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[geraintm]

Well hello. Some new faces, but a lot like my last game.
It's the 1st today

[geraintm]

VOTE: Scorpious
Scum

Excellent deduction..

VOTE: Scorpious

Total scum.

VOTE: scorpius

[geraintm]

VOTE: Scorpious
Scum

Excellent deduction..

VOTE: Scorpious

Total scum.

VOTE: scorpius

Very interesting you’d put someone at 4 votes so early. RVS or not..

UNVOTE:

Been weirder if I broke a habit of a lifetime

[geraintm]

@meuh

So...I have a way if random voting in every single game I play. Scorpious wanted me to break that pattern because they didn't want to go to 4 votes so quickly, but I ain't breaking my method for them. You can call it shutting down the conversation, but my last game had scorpious in it and they know elegantly what I was going to do

[geraintm]

@meuh

So...I have a way if random voting in every single game I play. Scorpious wanted me to break that pattern because they didn't want to go to 4 votes so quickly, but I ain't breaking my method for them. You can call it shutting down the conversation, but my last game had scorpious in it and they know elegantly what I was going to do

How does putting Scorpious to 4 votes fit into your RVS meta?

4 votes on the 1st page means nothing.

Scorpious has said that I mail in day 1.
I am actually going to try harder this time because paying a tiny bit of attention last game worked. Why not spice things up

[geraintm]

@meuh

So...I have a way if random voting in every single game I play. Scorpious wanted me to break that pattern because they didn't want to go to 4 votes so quickly, but I ain't breaking my method for them. You can call it shutting down the conversation, but my last game had scorpious in it and they know elegantly what I was going to do

How does putting Scorpious to 4 votes fit into your RVS meta?

The worst of the votes on you is the guy MM just voted, interestingly enough.

Honestly, geraintm and unclevanya are easily tied for that title. I'd be down to nuke the scorpious wagon for one of those. I'll even flip a coin.

pedit well you took the words right outta my mouth lmfao

Quick reminder that provable randomness not allowed

Then how about I flip a very biased coin?

VOTE: geraintm

Don't feel particularly bad about their posts, but I can at least resonate with vanya for post 60 and post 63

Pretty sure we've never played together, correct?

[geraintm]

It depends on the kind of player he is. Some players stubbornly cling to their meta and don't really care about anyone challenging it. In the most recent game I hosted, two town players had roles that conflicted with each other night 1, and one of them spent the entire game, which ended day 5, calling the other scum because he was seeing things too much in "black and white".

MM's post is very on point though about the "opportunistic scum" angle that I pointed out could be in play earlier... I didn't elaborate, and he did, and I like that from him.

Is this about me?
I am only stunningly clinging onto my method of random voting

[geraintm]

Remind me! 10 pages to say a thought I have. Want to see if after some more posting it holds true

[geraintm]

In post 119, geraintm wrote:
Remind me! 10 pages to say a thought I have. Want to see if after some more posting it holds true



This was about 19 hours ago. Almost in prod territory too. We're also probably not hitting page 10 for another day, so we should be seeing something before then.

So I'll ask you too: Why is your vote still there?

weekends/bank holidays will always be tough for me to post as much as the week.
anwaysy, we will get to ten pages on Day 1, so i'll chip in at some point later.

and i have not see anywhere else to put a vote yet - why should i move it? it isnt doing any harm

[geraintm]

I generally don't vote just for the sake for pressure unless it's late in the day

wow, just seen this - calling me out for not having moved my vote and you saying you do the exact same thing.

naughty point for you.

[geraintm]

Titus has been prodded as well as her 128 is not game advancing content

Oh damn, I kinda like this

Though NM is screwed if he replaces in at some point lmao

This is weird, why would you have an opinion on a mod message? Are you happy Titus’ content didn’t count for some reason? Does the rule excite you?

And why envoke NM? I don’t get it. This prompted me to look at your iso and there isn’t much there.

What is NM, for the record?

Not_Mafia, I assume.

how on earth does someone get to affect a game they aren't even in!

[geraintm]

Titus has been prodded as well as her 128 is not game advancing content

Oh damn, I kinda like this

Though NM is screwed if he replaces in at some point lmao

This is weird, why would you have an opinion on a mod message? Are you happy Titus’ content didn’t count for some reason? Does the rule excite you?

And why envoke NM? I don’t get it. This prompted me to look at your iso and there isn’t much there.

This post is weird and reads as fake busy.

this post is weird and reads as trying to make drama

[geraintm]

VOTE: geratim

Wagons ahoy!

This is a new misspelling

[geraintm]

I can pressure someone without voting for them. There's not exactly a lot of posts to go on so far, but from what I've seen you are obvscum.

I will not pay any attention to people's pressure unless it is backed up by a vote, it is just posturing otherwise. If it ain't jn a vote count I will totally forget it ever existed

[geraintm]

maybe you should have an actual word as your username*shrug*

You mean my name?

[geraintm]

I can pressure someone without voting for them. There's not exactly a lot of posts to go on so far, but from what I've seen you are obvscum.

I will not pay any attention to people's pressure unless it is backed up by a vote, it is just posturing otherwise. If it ain't jn a vote count I will totally forget it ever existed

This is very short sighted.

Why?
How many games have you been in where there are players who by the end of day 1 have said every other play is suspicious?
I'd rather ignore all that and just pay attention to when they actually vote....

[geraintm]

maybe you should have an actual word as your username*shrug*

You mean my name?

Oh, is that your real name? Sorry.

Geraint is a good Welsh name, though nearly extinct, less than 3 new ones each year. But the winner of the Tour de France a few years ago was called Geraint.

I have seen it typed on here many, many different ways over the years, new variants amuse me

[geraintm]

Ger finding ways to be “lazy” is totally NAI for them..

i was going to come out with my thought that i had earlier in the game about now, but i realise the have 100% mixed up 2 different people!

i will say that Scorpious feels different this game to our last one when they were scum. i kinda am not interested in pushing them today, they are giving off a very different vibe. UNVOTE:
i know they could have switche dup play style, but i dont want to go there today.

[geraintm]

ive got nothing to add about monkey man or The Moose, i can;t see anything obvious from either of them that makes me want to invistigate them furter at the moment. i kinda wanna sit back and see who pushes wagons but i dont find anyone particularly scummy right now

[geraintm]

ive got nothing to add about monkey man or The Moose, i can;t see anything obvious from either of them that makes me want to invistigate them furter at the moment. i kinda wanna sit back and see who pushes wagons but i dont find anyone particularly scummy right now

Know this kinda reads as “I’m gonna just let everyone else sort the game”.

No, I am trying to pay attention today, honest. But I cannot see a good place to put a vote so I am waiting to see what wagons form and then see who is pushing for them badly

[geraintm]

ive got nothing to add about monkey man or The Moose, i can;t see anything obvious from either of them that makes me want to invistigate them furter at the moment. i kinda wanna sit back and see who pushes wagons but i dont find anyone particularly scummy right now

Know this kinda reads as “I’m gonna just let everyone else sort the game”.

No, I am trying to pay attention today, honest. But I cannot see a good place to put a vote so I am waiting to see what wagons form and then see who is pushing for them badly

You just repeated yourself … no big deal..

I’m still waiting for you to answer the question about how you and the 4th vote on RVS align.

You accused me of knowing your meta and using it to throw you off. Where have you EVER stated this is “your thing”. This is important, if you’re just making shit up..

not my playstyle - i think i meant you knew how i random voted?

[geraintm]

ive got nothing to add about monkey man or The Moose, i can;t see anything obvious from either of them that makes me want to invistigate them furter at the moment. i kinda wanna sit back and see who pushes wagons but i dont find anyone particularly scummy right now

Know this kinda reads as “I’m gonna just let everyone else sort the game”.

No, I am trying to pay attention today, honest. But I cannot see a good place to put a vote so I am waiting to see what wagons form and then see who is pushing for them badly

You just repeated yourself … no big deal..

I’m still waiting for you to answer the question about how you and the 4th vote on RVS align.

You accused me of knowing your meta and using it to throw you off. Where have you EVER stated this is “your thing”. This is important, if you’re just making shit up..

There can be only one multiple of 11
VOTE: Dwlee99

11?

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Post #12 (ISO) » Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:34 pm

In post 6, Almost50 wrote:
Oh, my! It's been six years already?

6 you say?

7 pages already!

This game is going to be too much.





[Space left intentionally blank to crumb]

Oh....this game is going to be weird from what I've read above.

Will post more later.

This is post 20

Hello.
It's 5am here, and I'm spending the day decorating:(

oh. 2+2+1+5=10

so, 4 pages already that i can safely ignore.
this is what, game 2+2+1+1?

it worked so well in my last game i'm going to do the same this one. i am VT.
i should be probably add a sarcasm tag to that

that enough for you? they all have a number in them, and then i vote for the post that many after

[geraintm]

Oh.

Oh he's definitely been avoiding giving an answer, yes. I feel like I'm losing some of my absorption as time goes on.

We have... Six days left?

i wasn't avoiding it, i just honestly never realised it was a proper question as al it required was going back through my past games and seeing that in every first post i pick a number and that is how i random vote.

and if you think that is bad, you should have seen how i placed all my votes Day 1 in my last game

[geraintm]

@meuh

So...I have a way if random voting in every single game I play. Scorpious wanted me to break that pattern because they didn't want to go to 4 votes so quickly, but I ain't breaking my method for them. You can call it shutting down the conversation, but my last game had scorpious in it and they know elegantly what I was going to do

and i think this is the post Scorpious is complaining about (and replace the worked elegantly with exactly) - where i said Scoripious would know how i random vote (and i thought they did because we have played together a few times) and so would know how i generated my random vote. i didnt say anything about them knowing my meta-playstyle, more i thought they knew my meta-random vote method.

[geraintm]

It nags at me how quickly that response came when he was put -2. It gives me the vibe that he only went into "try" mode because of it.

copying and pasting a bunch of past games isnt much of an effort, and anyone else could have gone and done it. i didn't realise i was 2 votes from elimination, i only did it really because scorpious, who i have vague town read on asked and made it clear they weren't gonna let it lie...
but you can see from my answer and how quickly it wa cleared up how little mind space it was occupying for me

[geraintm]

@meuh

So...I have a way if random voting in every single game I play. Scorpious wanted me to break that pattern because they didn't want to go to 4 votes so quickly, but I ain't breaking my method for them. You can call it shutting down the conversation, but my last game had scorpious in it and they know elegantly what I was going to do

and i think this is the post Scorpious is complaining about (and replace the worked elegantly with exactly) - where i said Scoripious would know how i random vote (and i thought they did because we have played together a few times) and so would know how i generated my random vote. i didnt say anything about them knowing my meta-playstyle, more i thought they knew my meta-random vote method.

How DO you generate your random vote, might I ask?

357

Thank you for laying attnetion

[geraintm]

@meuh

So...I have a way if random voting in every single game I play. Scorpious wanted me to break that pattern because they didn't want to go to 4 votes so quickly, but I ain't breaking my method for them. You can call it shutting down the conversation, but my last game had scorpious in it and they know elegantly what I was going to do

and i think this is the post Scorpious is complaining about (and replace the worked elegantly with exactly) - where i said Scoripious would know how i random vote (and i thought they did because we have played together a few times) and so would know how i generated my random vote. i didnt say anything about them knowing my meta-playstyle, more i thought they knew my meta-random vote method.

How DO you generate your random vote, might I ask?

357

If someone is being sparse in the hood I’d bet on them being scum.

I was jnvited into one in my last game and I posted rarely. I didn't see thr point unless I could be sure of their alignment. I would read someone being circumspect as a cautious townie to be honest

[geraintm]

Maybe I misinterpreted that with another role.

You're 2008. How do you not know masons?

Even I know masons

[geraintm]

VOTE: Andres

I don't understand this vote. Have a naughty point

[geraintm]

The hood thing is a distraction, I don't think I would have claimed if it were me. I'd have let a wagon run up and see who wanted me gone before playing that card.

Weekends I post less to warn peopel

[geraintm]

Okay I'm convinced. Scorpious seems over defensive.

VOTE: Scorpious

Lol.
A player getting pushed defending themselves is always scummy .

This wagon is gonna be fun.[/quote
Im happy to see you get pushed
I am not happy with you being voted off]

[geraintm]

Okay I'm convinced. Scorpious seems over defensive.

VOTE: Scorpious

Lol.
A player getting pushed defending themselves is always scummy .

This wagon is gonna be fun.

I have no idea how my postngot mixed up like that.

[geraintm]

I agree with Rodan's assessment that he was obviously "softclaiming", but am perplexed as to why he'd bring it up so quickly, and even more perplexed as to why he'd immediately demand a claim.

It feels like it needed a lot more time to play out.

Claiming a PR under pressure is bad town play. Softing a PR to scare people away from pressuring you is scummy play.

If Scorpius actually wanted to use his PR to catch scum in a trap, it would've been better to not say anything at all so that scum could feel confident in actually voting him. As it is now, there's nothing we can analyze about his wagon. So instead we have to figure out if he just misplayed his PR, used his PR to avoid dealing with suspicion, or faked a PR soft to stop his wagon from forming.

Not sure how you want a town Pr to claim then? They aren't to hard claim, they aren't to soft claim, should they just never mention it?

[geraintm]

Don't trust gera at all though and consider him a good potential vote.

Also now that you've been useful UNVOTE: AndresReplacementPerson

It's day 1, you shouldn't trust anyone. That is a very pointless comment

[geraintm]

I hate Meuh's vote kn Dwlee. I don't see any build up to it, and then they use other people wanting to pressure them to justify their vote. It won't go anywhere, that isn't a wagon that is likely to happen anytime soon. It feels like a "I wanna be seen doing something"

It comes right after a wagon is forming is another player....so large naughty point for you

VOTE: meuh

[geraintm]

Don't trust gera at all though and consider him a good potential vote.

Also now that you've been useful UNVOTE: AndresReplacementPerson

It's day 1, you shouldn't trust anyone. That is a very pointless comment

Trust had nothing to do with it. My vote was only there to pressure an inactive, which is something I was clear on when I made it.

I was talking about your trust level on me

[geraintm]

I agree with Rodan's assessment that he was obviously "softclaiming", but am perplexed as to why he'd bring it up so quickly, and even more perplexed as to why he'd immediately demand a claim.

It feels like it needed a lot more time to play out.

Claiming a PR under pressure is bad town play. Softing a PR to scare people away from pressuring you is scummy play.

If Scorpius actually wanted to use his PR to catch scum in a trap, it would've been better to not say anything at all so that scum could feel confident in actually voting him. As it is now, there's nothing we can analyze about his wagon. So instead we have to figure out if he just misplayed his PR, used his PR to avoid dealing with suspicion, or faked a PR soft to stop his wagon from forming.

Not sure how you want a town Pr to claim then? They aren't to hard claim, they aren't to soft claim, should they just never mention it?

I know this isn't for me, but just giving my thoughts on the subject. In general I think it's bad to claim if you're pr and if you are, should play in a way that doesn't get you nightkilled, but also not enough to get voted out. My last game all town pr's were dead by day 3 because of a day 1 massclaim. I think it's ridiculous to do and kills the strategy of the game. I think in general people rely too much on them; they should be a tool. I don't even like the rule of this site that you claim at E1 but that's what it is.

Oh, I am fairly sure town should not be claiming day 1 as a rule. You won't find me claiming if that ever happens.

I justbcouldnt work out in this situation how they wanted a town PR to behave?

[geraintm]

596 is gerain's first vote since 11. Definitely keep it in mind.

Why?

[geraintm]

I hate Meuh's vote kn Dwlee. I don't see any build up to it, and then they use other people wanting to pressure them to justify their vote. It won't go anywhere, that isn't a wagon that is likely to happen anytime soon. It feels like a "I wanna be seen doing something"

It comes right after a wagon is forming is another player....so large naughty point for you

VOTE: meuh

I disagree. I think it's a wagon that can definitely happen. What do you think about the wagon that is forming on another player. Both the wagoners and the wagonee.

i just like noting when i see a wagon forming and someone tries to start something else. i file it away for later....

[geraintm]

Here’s my deal on D1 wagons..

Where did this whole wagon on MM start? Who started it? Why did they start it?

My point are these are three variables that must be accounted for, and it’s almost impossible to have that information.

I’m joining the wagon because it’s a way to advance the game . I have no real input on if this is scum or not.

Pedit- I’m bad at this, and that kinda sounds like what i would say if I was flailing.


VOTE: MM

i would have hoped for better than this for a vote pushing someone to 5

[geraintm]

Also, I hate Ger’s style of play. That clouds me on my reading of them. I’m never right about them.

sorry. if it helps i am town.

and i tried to be better day 1 this game but the weekend robbed me of momentum, but i have tried calling more people out and i am happy placing genuine votes this game, rather than what i did last time.

[geraintm]

Dwlee has been on my radar for a while.
The thing that sticks out to me the most is the early voting on someone after they have been mention in a unfavorable way. I'm feeling that it is a more of a scum move than a town move. Ex. casting a vote around and seeing if it gets traction on someone. Trying not to be too late on the wagon as well.
You're allowed to vote without a reason, when there is a lot of discussion going on about the person your voting and you agree. but continuing to cast a vote without giving a reason is suspicious.
Dwlee, also left the vote on Itailiano after the replacement for a little too long.
I also believe that the vote on MM was only after pressure and a wagon build up on dwlee.

For that reason

VOTE: VOTE: Dwlee

im realy noting this, further attemps to not have a MonkeyMan wagon go through and instead Dwlee

[geraintm]

i feel like i am in trouble if there are people agreeing with my Day 1 thoughts.

[geraintm]

That's a poor idea.

Now that you’re here, what’s on your mind. Other than Vanya, who else do you think is scum?

i feel like i am in trouble if there are people agreeing with my Day 1 thoughts.

I've finally picked up on what I think will be key in reading you.

You like to appear dumb. You want people to think you're not as smart as you actually are.

But it slips when you make posts like you have recently that have been on point.

oh, i have had plenty of games where i just sucked. i never seem to get eliminated by scum, they are happy to have me aroudn for the end game because i will screw it up. my last game was a rare game where i think i played well so my confidence is a little higher in this game than normal, but i have a long history of just being bad at this game.

i also do not trust any judgements made day 1 as being better than a coin flip, including my own - i do try and get better as the game goes on though as town gets more and more info.

[geraintm]

That's a poor idea.

Now that you’re here, what’s on your mind. Other than Vanya, who else do you think is scum?

i feel like i am in trouble if there are people agreeing with my Day 1 thoughts.

I've finally picked up on what I think will be key in reading you.

You like to appear dumb. You want people to think you're not as smart as you actually are.

But it slips when you make posts like you have recently that have been on point.

oh, i have had plenty of games where i just sucked. i never seem to get eliminated by scum, they are happy to have me aroudn for the end game because i will screw it up. my last game was a rare game where i think i played well so my confidence is a little higher in this game than normal, but i have a long history of just being bad at this game.

i also do not trust any judgements made day 1 as being better than a coin flip, including my own - i do try and get better as the game goes on though as town gets more and more info.

Far be it from me to critique anyone, but you definitely get better as the game progresses

see, thats what you get from setting an incredibly low bar for Day 1, everything is up from there

[geraintm]

Scum Picks:
geraintm
Moose
Scorpious

im intersted in knowing why you think i am scummy, just so when i next roll scum i can act the opposte to now and appear town

[geraintm]

Also PT Cop is a role I've never even heard of in a game before. People were throwing around the term earlier, and I thought it meant like, part-time cop or something that had limited scans.

the wiki is your friend. i am always having to check out my roles or others.

[geraintm]

UNVOTE:

Just wanted to be sure..

Def scum, if not. Wtf are you doing man?

VOTE: MM

this just feels too weird to be scum.

[geraintm]

i'll look at the wagons later, see who was on and when.

[geraintm]

Man I really wish MonkeyMan was scum, it would have felt great to get scum Day 1.

@Titus: We still going with Scorpious?

@Crescent: Who in my town reads do you think could be scum and who I should be looking at?

I’m gonna be looking off wagon for scum and also looking at who was possibly white knighting for MonkeyMan. I’m also pretty sure scum split their votes and one was probably on MonkeyMan.

Will try to check in from time to time but a real busy day today. Ciao.

Fairly sure you have implicated every single player there, like when Poirot brings everyone into the room and spends 20 minutes explaining why it could be any kf them

[geraintm]

I am sorry, weekend and all andni can't post as much as I would like.

But this push for scorpious seems really easy...
Need to check who is on this wagon compared with this yesterday

[geraintm]

Geraintm I feel like I keep seeing you say things you need to do and then never you doing them

Weekends are bad times for me. Prod me Monday to do stuff

[geraintm]

Geraintm I feel like I keep seeing you say things you need to do and then never you doing them

Weekends are bad times for me. Prod me Monday to do stuff

And yet people are in here asking what I’m not dead.

I engage and am almost always read as scum. Ger does this every game and people are like “cool, I’m good with that”.

Very frustrating

I think you being dead son quickly would be bad for the game
I am unlikely to vote you (unless I find your voting patterns are deeply suspect)

[geraintm]

So, we went from

VC1.9
FugitiveMoose (2): Gamma Emerald, Meuh
MonkeyMan576 (2): Andresvmb, Roden
Andresvmb (2): Crescent, Dwlee99
Scorpious (2): Titus, MonkeyMan576
Titus (1): Scorpious
geraintm (1): Uncle Vanya

to VC10

MonkeyMan576 (3): ItalianoVD, Crescent, Roden
FugitiveMoose (2): Gamma Emerald, Meuh
ItalianoVD (2): Dwlee99, Uncle Vanya
Scorpious (2): Titus, MonkeyMan576

addition of Italiano and Crescent to the MM wagon

then next was Dwlee

VC12

MonkeyMan576 (3): ItalianoVD, Dwlee99, Carcalilly
Dwlee99 (3): Meuh, Gamma Emerald, FugitiveMoose
Scorpious (2): Titus, MonkeyMan576
Meuh (1): geraintm
Crescent (1): Scorpious

Crescent and Roden gone, replaced by Carcalily

and the final was

MonkeyMan576 (7): ItalianoVD, Dwlee99, Carcalilly, Crescent, Scorpious, Uncle Vanya, Gamma Emerald HAMMERED
Dwlee99 (2): Meuh, FugitiveMoose
Scorpious (1): Titus
Meuh (1): geraintm
Crescent (1): MonkeyMan576

Only VC today is

Votecount 2.1

Endless Migration (2009) - HotAirRaccoon

Scorpious

(3): Carcalilly, Gamma Emerald, Titus

Uncle Vanya

(1): Meuh

Not Voting

(7): FugitiveMoose, ItalianoVD, geraintm, Scorpious, Crescent, Dwlee99, Uncle Vanya
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-05-19 22:33:37)
Titus V/LA Friday Evening - Monday Morning

with the overlap between the Scorpious push and yesterday being Carcalily and the Gamme hammer

while the deadline is close, id rather see what MM has to say, and for an official votecount before placing my vote anywhere.

I'm sure you will

VOTE: monkey

So, i am deeply suspicious of Carcalily, their vote on Scorpious today is...?

[geraintm]

ia m basically saying i am more suspcious of Carcalily than Scorpious

[geraintm]

I'm not going near scorpious today

[geraintm]

The push on scorpious today was always going to flush out a claim and nothing else

[geraintm]

I will say this, Ger’s copy and paste of the VC’s is a very good way to look busy. And I sense the heat was going to ramp up so he was proactive in avoiding that. That’s on my radar.

I agree with this point, I also think it looks worse on Ger since 943 happened.

Weekends involve family stuff. Saturday involved at least 3 hours driving to SiL, and I spent 3.5 hours today cutting thr lawn. But you complain and say it is bad I managed to spend some time on a computer as opposed to my phone?

[geraintm]

I will say this, Ger’s copy and paste of the VC’s is a very good way to look busy. And I sense the heat was going to ramp up so he was proactive in avoiding that. That’s on my radar.

I agree with this point, I also think it looks worse on Ger since 943 happened.

Weekends involve family stuff. Saturday involved at least 3 hours driving to SiL, and I spent 3.5 hours today cutting thr lawn. But you complain and say it is bad I managed to spend some time on a computer as opposed to my phone?

That's not my point
My point is that if you were intentionally trying to look busy, it looks particularly bad since you had gotten pressured about it not long beforehand.
I wasn't trying to involve your busy weekends in that argument.

i wasn't intentionally trying to look busy, i was intentionally trying to play the game. What was i meant to do, not post because i had said previously weekends were difficult for me?

[geraintm]

It was a lot of words just to shade Carca, and I have a bit of a bone to pick with it.

Yes, Carca votes him two posts later, but what he fails to mention is the post *between those* Carc posts - Where MM pops in and continues to dick around uselessly. She did hear what he had to say, it continued to be trash, and then she voted him. This feels like a deliberate lie of omission by Ger.

while the deadline is close, id rather see what MM has to say, and for an official votecount before placing my vote anywhere.

I don't have much to say, everything is pretty much on the record. Just look at my wagon after I flip town.

That isn't MonkeyMan dicking around, that feels a perfectly reasonable post from a resigned townie to make.
There was no votecount.

[geraintm]

If you want shit to happen then push your preferred wagon. Either that or compromise onto a different wagon for now. No one's gonna generate content in this game state unless there's a chance somebody might actually die soon.

convinced me tbh.

VOTE: fugitivemoose

1st serious vote

I gave the reason I dislike it just now: I think it's an easy possible distraction from Andres doing even less than that slot has. I'm not sure he's ever given a serious reason.

If andres doesn't deliver I will be riding his wagon into the sunset happily, don't get me wrong. I'm going with a worse of two evils atm.

prepping for an Anders vote

scorps recent posts have been quite a clusterfuck all of a sudden. busy these upcoming weeks so I'll throw down a self reminder to read them properly at some point.

prepping a Scorpious vote

I'd like to also +1 the full hood claim.

similarly to the Scorpious wagon on Day 2, wants info out there

have some busy things going on today and (maybe?) tomorrow but my elim pool atm is (mm, scorpius, moose)

prepping a MonkeyMan vote

while the deadline is close, id rather see what MM has to say, and for an official votecount before placing my vote anywhere.

final prep for MonkeyMan vote,which they followed through 2 posts later after aperfectly reasonable post from MonkeyMan

VOTE: scorpius

let this just kinda fall off the radar.

Day 2, straight onto Scorpious to get their claim

Don't get me wrong I don't like geraint's play either. I just feel like my read on him is less concrete and more theoretical.

Prepping a vote on me

I admit, i hate this playstyle. trailing votes in advance, pointing out multiple places you could go and then wait, but nowhere near enough for me to give them enough scum equity to want to vote for them.
right now, i don't want to vote anyone, but caraclily is in the posistion where i am watching their votes and see when and where they appear on wagons.

[geraintm]

I admit, i hate this playstyle. trailing votes in advance, pointing out multiple places you could go and then wait, but nowhere near enough for me to give them enough scum equity to want to vote for them.
right now, i don't want to vote anyone, but caraclily is in the posistion where i am watching their votes and see when and where they appear on wagons.

Claims to hate setting up votes.

This is setting up votes lol.

it isn't! But i can see how it can seem that way.
I went in thinking i would find something their posts/votes but i didn't and was surprised. I had my eye on them because i felt their day 1 vote on MonkeyMan was well times to derail another wagon onto one that turned into one on a Townie, and i absolutely hate anyone who pushed Scorpious today as we all knew that Scorpious was just going to caim, but i went in thinking i would have found a reason to vote for Caralily and didn't - which surprised me.
it would take some very obviously scummy behaviour the rest of today for me to vote Cara

[geraintm]

The push on scorpious today was always going to flush out a claim and nothing else

gonna be frank here, I don't like this

not sure why this upset you?

[geraintm]

I like Ger on the last page. It settles me a little in them trying to look busy. They are following their style I’ve seen them flip town on.

Also, The “ask me to do things” mentality seems to have been pushed back.

And yes. Of course I can’t “prove” a claim the same day, but anyone still on my wagon is building scum equity.
I claimed very early in the day.. enough time for at least votes to be removed and re placed.

I really think Titus is scum..

the ask me to do things bit was in case i slipped and didnt do anything - it was more an aide memoire

[geraintm]

I see scorp is being wagoned from what I see. Worth noting that they always seem to be wagoned in every game I was with them in regardless of alignment

Yeah, I’m apparently very scummy in my playstyle. I’m used to it. I love this game, just wish I was better at it. You’ll probably catch flak for this post.

But I’m also seen as an easy push by better players, which is what better players do.

I dunno, I have my moments. But yes. I’m always being pushed for some reason or another.

yeah, you do seem to always have lots of votes.
i somehow am impossible to vote off i have no idea why

[geraintm]

I admit, i hate this playstyle. trailing votes in advance, pointing out multiple places you could go and then wait, but nowhere near enough for me to give them enough scum equity to want to vote for them.
right now, i don't want to vote anyone, but caraclily is in the posistion where i am watching their votes and see when and where they appear on wagons.

I think you misinterpret. I vote for people when I want them gone, but I'll wait if I believe there could be more information given before any definitive action. I'll let my intentions be known since there's no reason to be non-transparent. Is there a problem with waiting if there's time?

you maybe right, and it may be this is the way you play - i just dislike it because it can give Scum wriggle room. scum can always back up a later vote because they can point to one of 5 previous posts on 5 different people they found scummy.

[geraintm]

I already said I don't care about your busy weekends
This feels like an unproductive exchange and I don't get the impression you're acting in good faith.

this clearly isnt going anywhere except to annoy us both

[geraintm]

1044 and 1046 also aren't great. gerain reads disingenuous.

I admit, i hate this playstyle. trailing votes in advance, pointing out multiple places you could go and then wait, but nowhere near enough for me to give them enough scum equity to want to vote for them.
right now, i don't want to vote anyone, but caraclily is in the posistion where i am watching their votes and see when and where they appear on wagons.

Claims to hate setting up votes.

This is setting up votes lol.

it isn't! But i can see how it can seem that way.

I went in thinking i would find something their posts/votes but i didn't and was surprised.

I had my eye on them because i felt their day 1 vote on MonkeyMan was well times to derail another wagon onto one that turned into one on a Townie, and i absolutely hate anyone who pushed Scorpious today as we all knew that Scorpious was just going to caim,

but i went in thinking i would have found a reason to vote for Caralily and didn't - which surprised me.

it would take some very obviously scummy behaviour the rest of today for me to vote Cara

???
This post feels genuine, but for the wrong reasons

VOTE: gerain

i admit i went into looking back at their posts expecting to find reasons to vote for them, but then i didnt, and that is scummy?

[geraintm]

He's probably just a mafia jailkeeper anyway and wants to be able to try to block power roles again tonight

I might be reading too much into this but this sounds like tmi.

If it's TMI then help me bus?

So what's the content of your read on me? Cause the only thing you have cited is the post you admitted to reading wrong

Null currently as the read was based on a misread. Don’t stress too much

Finished work now will catch up in an hour or two when I get home

VOTE: gera

i need an explanation for this vote.

[geraintm]

I admit, i hate this playstyle. trailing votes in advance, pointing out multiple places you could go and then wait, but nowhere near enough for me to give them enough scum equity to want to vote for them.
right now, i don't want to vote anyone, but caraclily is in the posistion where i am watching their votes and see when and where they appear on wagons.

Claims to hate setting up votes.

This is setting up votes lol.

it isn't! But i can see how it can seem that way.
I went in thinking i would find something their posts/votes but i didn't and was surprised. I had my eye on them because i felt their day 1 vote on MonkeyMan was well times to derail another wagon onto one that turned into one on a Townie, and i absolutely hate anyone who pushed Scorpious today as we all knew that Scorpious was just going to caim, but i went in thinking i would have found a reason to vote for Caralily and didn't - which surprised me.
it would take some very obviously scummy behaviour the rest of today for me to vote Cara

No context of the games content but Scorps tone seems genuine and I mindmelded somewhat whrn they responded to my question to dwee

I'm at work and will expound later but this post is red flagging me hard regardless of Scorpious' alignment.

Scorpious has come off as such a wide-scale fraud this game that I have exactly one argument in my head for him being town.

This is a cheap and incorrect defense of the vote leader.

which post - there are two?

[geraintm]

Oh Monkey was elimmed and flipped town?

VOTE: Titus

Good place to start.

Likely Roden was killed for TRing Titus or null kill.

I wanna see Titus change my mind.

never guess a reason for the night kill - it will always be wrong,

[geraintm]

i have zero opinion on Scorpious' night action, the last 3 pages i pretty much skipped....

[geraintm]

yeah why say that when you didn't even vote there?

oh i see. i didn't vote for Scorpious, i thought it was a bad push from people.
i was like, 99% sure all that would be accomplished from people early voting Scorpious today was to get the claim and then everyone would back off. i wish people had been honest about their intentions, and if they really wanted a claim from them then they mise well have done it Day 1.

[geraintm]

i need an explanation for this vote.

I don't think you're playing townie

going to awkward at the end of the game when my misvote loses it for town

[geraintm]

Okay I'll just remove you before ELO and then that won't happen

That seems fair

[geraintm]

Primarily because I can understand the tunnel coming from a stubborn town perspective, while I'm struggling to find a town perspective in the manner in which scorp was claiming yesterday. The softing with barley a wagon, trying to take back the soft, then full claiming immediately the next day just feels odd. They've been finnicky about it as if they were unsure about their own role.

The JK claim/crumb threw me for a bit of a loop. I'd say it's the only reason why I feel less confident pushing that elim today.

This also might be scum with Scorpious. They're positioned to vote either way.

see, i said that about them and they didnt like it

[geraintm]

If you really still think Scorpious is scum partner hunt.

This is good if Scorpious wagon dies.

Cool it died 4 pages ago. Quit reviving it if you’re town.

I believe Scorpious is the only other wagon with multiple votes besides myself, but a VC may dispel that.

did i not have a couple of votes?

[geraintm]

No one other than me at the time of posting.

No one defending Scorp means probably town.

Scum make a ton of noise when I s.

i am pretty sure i said i did not think scorpious was scum earlier today

[geraintm]

Combined two shot gunsmith with an inno on Gamma.

I am a combined doctor and neighbor.


.

I’m an even night JK

Im just parking these here so i can keep track of claims

[geraintm]

Me claiming my result Gamma doesn’t have a gun

parking this i can remember night claims

[geraintm]

The only town roles I know of that scans guilty to gunsmith are cop and vig.

i dont think there is a cop in this game.

Ok, there is a lot of chatter between a bunch of claimed people and my head hurts because they are getting pretty agitated.

reading the theories, at i am happy if Carcalily is eliminated, i couldn't get enough off them when i went through their posts to vote, but there was a reason i was checking them in that i already found them suspicious
(writing this about post 1457 in my catchup)

@crescent - i dont think i have ever made a post like the one i did on Carcalily in any other game, going head to head like that with a scum partner. you shoudl certainly discount it being a Scum vs Scum interaction.

Gerain should be the lim in my humble opinion and I'm unsure why they've been let off the hook

This is the way I currently lean. He feels really ineffective for how many times he's said he's going to do something.

i did try earlier this week to look at where my suspicions were, but i didn't come up with enough. i ended day 1 with no scum leans on anyone, that isn't my style (i rarely get any good reads on anyone day 1 - hence my dislike of it). and today things are clearly being led by people with way more info than me, it would be so out of character for me to be charging after people. i am pretty passive - and i can't remember the last time i had a night action which demanded me to go after someone.

[geraintm]

I also was townreading Titus without the claim and she is most certainly town now

No one other than me at the time of posting.

No one defending Scorp means probably town.

Scum make a ton of noise when I s.

i am pretty sure i said i did not think scorpious was scum earlier today

Get at least said he was staying away from me early today

He did, yes... Then I thought about it and I don't believe he ever actually called you town. He just said your train was inevitable, doomed to do nothing but make you claim, and that he wouldn't vote you.

I didn't say they were town, but I was looking at thr people voting them as my topgroup to be scum, so it as town as I get without extra info

[geraintm]

For the record I don't town read Scorpious at all
I read him as so scummy I question whether or not scum would allow themselves to look as consistently bad as he has.

I havent had the "too scummy to be scum" paranoia in *years*.

Regardless, someone decided to townclear Ger earlier for doing basically nothing but rehashing what we already know and treating it like content. I don't remember who did that offhand, but it's not like it really added anything. It was more fluff disguised as substance. Lots of Ger posts have been fluff disguised as substance or simply promising to give more.

I actually question how anyone could actually have a strong townread on Scorp though based on his play.

i think if you had played with me before you wouldn't be so wound up by me.

i like that Italiano can read me. must remember for future games

VOTE: caraclily feels like the highest EV today. others can work out the best night actions.

can i ask who was in the neighbourhood btw, i forgot to put it in my post of claims

[geraintm]

Combined two shot gunsmith with an inno on Gamma.

I am a combined doctor and neighbor.


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I’m an even night JK

Hood -
math
titus
italiano
jacksonvirgo

[geraintm]

Ok I got up and got some food into my system no more typing like I'm deranged as frayed as I am.
.

this would be helpful. you were either having a stroke or were Irish and i couldnt tell which

[geraintm]

I am sorry who is Lee?

i assumed Dwlee?

[geraintm]

Combined two shot gunsmith with an inno on Gamma.

I am a combined doctor and neighbor.


.

I’m an even night JK

Hood -
math
titus
italiano
jacksonvirgo

You missed my claim

What was it?

[geraintm]

Back this mornjng.

Someone said why do I keep notes in thread , dojtni have somewhere else to do that.

Mods can make a thread for you to do that, and I tried it once or maybe twice but I didn't like it. So instead (and I don't know if anyone in game here has ever molded me before) but I normally try and make posts in game of claims and stuff, but general game relate dthiughts I normally message the mod, trying to give them a brief outline of my thought processes. I don't want any comment back, but I do it because I think the mod might enjoy knowing what is in my head.

[geraintm]

My thinking right now is that with all the claims, scum have very limited options on where they can push and they have decided upon me for some reason. I will in a while go through and try and work out the reasons they have given and see if it is any more than "vibes". Because I know it isn't due to any night actions or scummy behaviour - I have like voted once today and that is on the largest wagon so I am not sure how that Singles me out?

[geraintm]

1044 and 1046 also aren't great. gerain reads disingenuous.

I admit, i hate this playstyle. trailing votes in advance, pointing out multiple places you could go and then wait, but nowhere near enough for me to give them enough scum equity to want to vote for them.
right now, i don't want to vote anyone, but caraclily is in the posistion where i am watching their votes and see when and where they appear on wagons.

Claims to hate setting up votes.

This is setting up votes lol.

it isn't! But i can see how it can seem that way.

I went in thinking i would find something their posts/votes but i didn't and was surprised.

I had my eye on them because i felt their day 1 vote on MonkeyMan was well times to derail another wagon onto one that turned into one on a Townie, and i absolutely hate anyone who pushed Scorpious today as we all knew that Scorpious was just going to caim,

but i went in thinking i would have found a reason to vote for Caralily and didn't - which surprised me.

it would take some very obviously scummy behaviour the rest of today for me to vote Cara

???
This post feels genuine, but for the wrong reasons

VOTE: gerain

This was meuh's vote on me.
I am not really sure what they mean by post feels genuine but for thr wrong reasons.
My post was me being as open as I could (even if I didn't come out of it looking great) but I was told it looked wrong despite this and got voted.
I cannot see any other strong reasons they are voting for me, but say later I am being let off the hook and I never really felt on the hook.
I honestly don't know how to respond to this

[geraintm]

He's probably just a mafia jailkeeper anyway and wants to be able to try to block power roles again tonight

I might be reading too much into this but this sounds like tmi.

If it's TMI then help me bus?

So what's the content of your read on me? Cause the only thing you have cited is the post you admitted to reading wrong

Null currently as the read was based on a misread. Don’t stress too much

Finished work now will catch up in an hour or two when I get home

VOTE: gera

this was Dwlee's first vote on me. it cpmes abour 20 game posts after a vote from them on jackson virgo, but no actual mention of me in those posts. it just looked plucked out of nowhere.

shortly after they post "i think gera is a hit"

they later on switch to Scorpious.

then this

I actually agree with a good chunk.

Top down with points to add:

Gera: I scumread gera more than you do. He does not sound townie and things feel kinda forced

then a whole slew of posts all about scorpious. things like this

There's enough town votes to lim scorpious even if you wanna drag your feet

No there’s not.

Me and Gamma and JV and Italiano townread Scorpious

Move on.

I'm gonna stay on scorpious

I think JV and Gera are scummy as well. Mainly pref on Gera if you're willing to go there.

to the vote

VOTE: Gera

It's cause I'm trying to get towncred by bussing Scorpious

I don't know how to respond to this either
they scum read me (wrongly) - but havent said any reason why as far as i can see. i am just in the pool of people they find scummy and once their main 2 people they want o vote (JV and Scorpious) are not going to happen they move to someone else - me

i don't know how i can change their mind easily when i get scum read for my posts and they are stuck on it and they need someone, anyone, to vote for....

[geraintm]

VOTE: geraint

busy today, going home. if I'm still alive when I get my pc back I'll make a final readlist/thoughtblock. I'm just a VT so it doesn't rly matter, just pray there's no RB. GL

]this was Carcalily's vote on me.

i searched their post history for any previous mention of me. and i found one 19 before - but it was quoting someone else. have to go back another 15 posts before that to find my name again....and again it is in a quote and they don't actually mention me

[Scorp, Geraint, JV] is my pool at this moment in time.

that was their only real mention of me going back when they actually have their own opinion, and i can't help but wonder if it is just because i had written about them previously.

how can i interact with Caraclily's vote - it again is vague vibes based scum reading of me with a vote on me because i appear to be the only other possible wagon as an alternative to them

[geraintm]

I left for a few hours and that happened. That was quick.
I am expecting tonight to sort things out a while bunch, tomorrow people should be coming back with enough info I reckon for us to put the remaining scum into a little box they can't get out of.

[geraintm]

Ger s probably town. He comes off to me as a guy scum has been setting up as a scapegoat.

exactly this, i felt that pretty much the whole of yesterday.

I had Meuh, Dwlee and Crescent as the three i was most suspicious of besides Caraclilly yesterday because of their interactions with me.
i did worry that today people would try and spin our interactions as distancing, but im glad that hasn't happened.

right now, gut i would have MEuh most likely, a gap to Dwlee and then a long long gap to Crescent now. i would prefer MEuh over Dwlee every single time right now, but i am not ruling Dwlee out but i, like someone else, just has them pegged as wrong town.

dwlee - i know you dont believe it but i am town but i am 100% sure no one else has the same view on me as you and you need to play the game as if i am town. you are just going to tie yourself in knots otherwise

i am happy to go with the consensus on Titus tonight though, and i cannot see town agreeing to any other vote today

VOTE: titus

[geraintm]

Honestly power roles aside day 2 was just a disaster for scum. Ger/Dwlee came out looking like scapegoat/bad town and scum lost two voteoffs.

i have this weird superpower where i am nearly impossible to vote off. scum shouldn't try and peg me as someone they can persuade a bunch of townies to vote for.

i am pleased i had caraclilly at the top of my scum list, even if i didn't vote for them straight away.

I sent two messages to the mod in the game, just to share some thoughts with someone.

the first was

"to give an update on my thinking, just thought you might liek to know.

i feel way out of my depththis game, the discussion around the roles is above my pay grade.

i feel fairly useless so far - but i honestly have had nothing to drive forward with, i am not getting any info until tonight.

being pushed doesn't surprise me, there can't be that many places left scum can go after

that would be Meuh, Crescent, Dwlee. i think it will be one of these 3 i check on tonight"

and second was

"well, i am pleased with that. i picked them out as my most suspicious player when i went back through the game in 983, and when i went through all their posts i didn't find enough to vote for them but they stayed at the top of my scum list

i said previous that i was most suspicious of the three pushing my elimination which was Meuh, Dwlee and Crescent.
WEll Meuh was voiting me along with Caraclily, and the other two were 4th and 5th on the wagon. either of those could be scum hopping onto an inevitable wagon. My initial thought was to check crescent, but i have a gut feeling it is Dwlee.

so Check DWLEE please

my concern now is that people are going to try and spin my interaction with Carcalily as distancing"

Agree with mod that mafia didn't disrupt the breaking open of the claims well enough - and once the clever people in the game has worked through the possibilites they didn't have enough places to push votes to.