My issue is I'm not particularly confident on you being town - I think your posting on D2 has been quite reasonable and engaging but I had you down as one of my top three possible scum on D1. I'm also - as a general rule - not too keen on players being the first to suggest they take on the inform power. Goldfish is my preferred option at the moment, for example, and they seem keen to take it on, but would have been less immediately trusting had Furtive not made the suggestion first.In post 594, Cat.Jpeg wrote:In post 585, MalcolmTucker wrote:It's fundamentally a leap in logic for me though to suggest Goldfish is the one who's likely to get shot. They look very townie to me and I think their analysis/posts have been solid, but I wouldn't say they've necessarily been leading the town in a way I think Furtive is trying to do, or in the way Titus briefly tried to do D1 when they strongly pushed for going for two kills. If Furtive is town, for example, they could potentially be in trouble. If scum somehow agree with you Alianna looks townie, they could have been the target...albeit I imagine that's unlikely. If someone's had a strong push so far that's not gotten a lot of attention they could be targeted. It's all hypothetical. Either way I reckon we need to be giving this inform power to a strong, consensus townread here because the alternative - where we hand it to someone we acknowledge could be scum - is far too risky.Dunnstral - The thing is what I said about them maybe BP'ing the person they thought would get eliminated is also a possibility, although unlikely it still means you're a worse candidate than furtive and me. We also very unlikely to get our alignment confirmed but are also are unlikely to be eliminated today. Also ur sus.In post 561, Dunnstral wrote:VOTE: Dunnstral
This is the best vote. You guys might not like it, but it's true. Mafia are very unlikely to have confirmed my alignment
It also makes things a lot simpler. All you have to do is figure out whether I am town or not. Whereas a vote for Goldfish means we need to figure out both if goldfish is town, and if furtive/malcolm/whoever are mafia trying to push it onto the townie who is also the bp,
Malcolm if you think furtive is at risk of being NK because of how much they are leading town you could always vote for mealso anyone we vote for we should acknowledge they could be scum. We havent gotten any solid info this game, yet. I do think goldfish is town though. in 578 you said we shouldnt be giving it to anyone who has been heavily suspected except goldfish has been, by RR.
As for the thing before about furtives turnaround on Titus being orchestrated I don't think so. I had forgotten the specific tone of them and after looking back I doubt they were forced. The changed opinion on titus looks like it happened really quickly but it checks out with the fact they waited to give a readlist because they were putting effort into reading everyones iso's.
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Fair, I'm just always wary of ascribing scum reads to someone who does something that perhaps feels overtly scummy or anti-town...generally I'm aware scum like to blend in and don't want to appear obvious or unhelpful. Bit presuming Goldfish is indeed town it's quite possible Dunn (if they're scum) was panicking a bit and throwing a gambit out there in the hope someone else would jump on it.In post 596, Cat.Jpeg wrote:
Dunnstral and Radical Rat have both done bold things in day 2. I would normally read that as town but with the fact that they know they are likely to be eliminated anyway if they played it safe I dont think any 'too bold' reasons should be used today.In post 572, MalcolmTucker wrote:Although a part of me does wonder if this is a bit bold from scum Dunn? I don't know, I guess if we have an Alianna/Dunn team (which would be my best bet at the moment), it would be feasible for one of the two of them to want to push receiving the inform role just to give a big push and see what happens.- furtiveglance
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A good piece of my townread on Dunnstral was because I thought it was unlikely they were paired with Titus, who I scumread. Now that Titus is confirmed town, that point is irrelevant.In post 597, Cat.Jpeg wrote:In post 528, Alianna wrote:I don’t townread Dunn anymore. Note to self - preflip associatives are a bad idea.
Goldfish you have said you townread dunnstral 3 or 4 times but I cant find where you explained why. Please explain or link to a post if i missed it.In post 531, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote:I think we all need to rethink things for today,
Of your scumpool I think Alianna and RR are possible scum, but not together, and I townlean Dunnstral
Also Alianna can you explain your post too?I townread Alianna.
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These thoughts are....idk. Weird? Bad?In post 604, Flea The Magician wrote:Spoiler: We don't need another hero!Spoiler: We don't need to know the way homeSpoiler: All we want is life beyondSpoiler: The thunderdome.
Rat gains cred, Dunn gains sus, cat/malc/furtive incriminating each other? huh.
1) Nightkill analysis is even more useless than usual in this considering that it was done pre-game. Rat gets no towncred from that.
2) I don't need to elaborate on informing Goldfish. They're my strongest townread.
3) Your point about giving the Titus wagon towncred is illogical. It assumes that Alianna is town - which I don't think is true in the first place. The fact is that the Titus wagon were all voting town - they get scumcred in my eyes.
4) Are you sarcastically criticising my logic about Alianna still being scummy based on yesterday's wagon? If so, counter it.
5) You're casually sussing me/Malcolm/Cat. Expand on this.
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Rat gains cred, Dunn gains sus, cat/malc/furtive incriminating each other? huh.
I don't get what you mean by this. I did not read 507 as making any attempt to project alignment. It just looked like Goldfish being Goldfish. I can tell you that the same goes for my post 509.
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Self-voting isn't auto-sus here. From an individual perspective, it makes sense to do so as either alignment because you're informed of your own alignment. The problem is that your fellow townies are not, so overall the pro-town decision is to give the information to somebody trusted. Goldfish is widely townread, so there isn't really an issue with her self-vote, but Dunn has been controversial.
Slightly related thought, scum could try to get a controversial player informed to sabotage the ability's effectiveness. I like 576 even less now.I townread Alianna.
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I mean, if it really comes down to it, we can just eliminate the informed player after they share the results. I don't anticipate NEEDING to do that, but it would clear up the results easily enough.In post 608, Alianna wrote:Slightly related thought, scum could try to get a controversial player informed to sabotage the ability's effectiveness. I like 576 even less now.- Radical Rat
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I would also note though that my goal is Not to get a controversial player informed, but to make a previously controversial slot not controversial.- GoldfishFromTheMoon
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You forget the fact that if we eliminate incorrectly today tommorow will be melo... so we shouldn't do it just to clear the results because if they are town we'll loose.In post 609, Radical Rat wrote:
I mean, if it really comes down to it, we can just eliminate the informed player after they share the results. I don't anticipate NEEDING to do that, but it would clear up the results easily enough.In post 608, Alianna wrote:Slightly related thought, scum could try to get a controversial player informed to sabotage the ability's effectiveness. I like 576 even less now.- furtiveglance
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Yeah this makes no sense from Radical Rat. We inform a townread player, someone we're not going to condemn soon.In post 611, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote:
You forget the fact that if we eliminate incorrectly today tommorow will be melo... so we shouldn't do it just to clear the results because if they are town we'll loose.In post 609, Radical Rat wrote:
I mean, if it really comes down to it, we can just eliminate the informed player after they share the results. I don't anticipate NEEDING to do that, but it would clear up the results easily enough.In post 608, Alianna wrote:Slightly related thought, scum could try to get a controversial player informed to sabotage the ability's effectiveness. I like 576 even less now.- Dunnstral
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Because it doesn't say why in the spoilered parts and instead seems to be setting up for a townread on meIn post 605, Dunnstral wrote:Not sure why I gain sus in the post above- furtiveglance
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That entire post needs following up, it was confusing.In post 613, Dunnstral wrote:
Because it doesn't say why in the spoilered parts and instead seems to be setting up for a townread on meIn post 605, Dunnstral wrote:Not sure why I gain sus in the post above
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What do you mean? mafia can lie about someone who isnt them being BP'd because mafia could just not kill the person they said and it would seem like they were BP'd. How would that out the mafia.In post 604, Flea The Magician wrote:, Mafia also cannot lie without outing themselves unless they "clear" themselves.- furtiveglance
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No. I will definitely vote Goldfish to avoid wasting the ability and if its clear that you won't consider someone else but right now I don't think its the best thing to do.- Cat.Jpeg
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Not necessarily the case, since there are a couple ways a kill could be avoided, but you're right assuming everything goes through, I hadn't actually checked that and was just looking at it in the abstract.In post 611, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote:
You forget the fact that if we eliminate incorrectly today tommorow will be melo... so we shouldn't do it just to clear the results because if they are town we'll loose.In post 609, Radical Rat wrote:
I mean, if it really comes down to it, we can just eliminate the informed player after they share the results. I don't anticipate NEEDING to do that, but it would clear up the results easily enough.In post 608, Alianna wrote:Slightly related thought, scum could try to get a controversial player informed to sabotage the ability's effectiveness. I like 576 even less now.- Radical Rat
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Did you miss the part where I said I don't anticipate needing to do that?In post 612, furtiveglance wrote:
Yeah this makes no sense from Radical Rat. We inform a townread player, someone we're not going to condemn soon.In post 611, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote:
You forget the fact that if we eliminate incorrectly today tommorow will be melo... so we shouldn't do it just to clear the results because if they are town we'll loose.In post 609, Radical Rat wrote:
I mean, if it really comes down to it, we can just eliminate the informed player after they share the results. I don't anticipate NEEDING to do that, but it would clear up the results easily enough.In post 608, Alianna wrote:Slightly related thought, scum could try to get a controversial player informed to sabotage the ability's effectiveness. I like 576 even less now.- Cat.Jpeg
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Why should we vote for someone who's town with anehchance of dying when we could vote for town who's less likely to die (based off yesterday scum probably would not want to kill me because im not a consensus townread and other more townread people have the same scumreads that i do so it's not like they would target me specifically if I am right, because of this i will probably also not just get a result on myself which would be unfavourable)
This is the last time I will push for this unless people have questions. If not enough people are swayed I will succumb and vote for Goldfish.
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In the scenario that the mafia have BP'd someone they will try and get elimmed today (probably RR, Alianna, or Dunnstral), because the fact that the mafia might have given the BP to them even though they are being scumread has been acknowledged then if they are scum they can pretend that is what happened. Also it would be stupid to eliminate the person we informed and i dont want to rule out any of these 3 from elimination.
In the more likely scenario that mafia has chosen to BP a consensus townread because it will be the least useful to town once we find out, then they know that person wont get voted out and will survive to the last day. In that case mafia probably BP'd somebody who they believe they can convince to vote with them. Which is why if goldfish is BP i will be more sus of dunnstral and maybe RR (at the end of day one rr was the only person goldfish gave no read on or mentioned). And i think goldfish is likely to be BP because shes the most widely townread and also hasn't expressed as strong opinions or scumreads as other widely townread people.
But wait if goldfish is the BP that means shes also not the NK so voting her is fine? Im confusing myself. While i think goldfish is most likely to be BP its a 40% chance and the other 60% is split (not exactly evenly) between everyone else so i think shes most likely but still not likely. Whatever. Me being a better vote still makes sense (under the conditions you think im town). Vote Cat 2022. - Cat.Jpeg
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