Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[MegAzumarill]

Are you challenging me to a rap battle?

Everyone knows scum can't rap. Hardclear this

[MegAzumarill]

Okay but millers should still claim

[MegAzumarill]

Relying on percentages is moot because we don't know if everyone was an opportunity for each role. Some roles may be locked to a certain faction (i.e. A seer and an alpha werewolf exist, seer can be any alignment but alpha is forced to be ww)

That said those percentages are for a 3 person monastery or masonry correct?

[MegAzumarill]

malcolm's posts feel fangless

Do you think this is scum or town indicative, I can see arguements for this meaning either

[MegAzumarill]

My 'shut up and let other people fill the silence'tactic I picked up from a video game seems to be working rather well. UNVOTE: catboi

(gasp)

[MegAzumarill]

I agree on your bo fangs point but I don't think it's deliberate. Additionally I think their play has been pretty +town so far

[MegAzumarill]

With a degree of confidence? no
I'll do some analysis later but I'm short on time right now

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Tracer Bullet

Bbecause I forggot to put. a vote out as I like to start of day 1.
Also because 2 of the same avatar confuses me

[MegAzumarill]

People should stop acting like every role is forced to be able to be from any faction. The setup has elements of randomization but nothing says its entirely random. So, the takeaway should be any role can be any faction, but any role can also just not be randomized. Saying you don't believe a claim because it would be able to be randomized where the game would be unbalanced is not a valid arguement because that literally may not be a possibility

[MegAzumarill]

The point is if you are arguing it probably doesn't exist because balance, just keep in mind the balanced option where it exists.

[MegAzumarill]

No

[MegAzumarill]

Aight STD is town

[MegAzumarill]

A beloved princess claim I think

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Catboi
someone said sheep

[MegAzumarill]

My first game had catboi scum iirc, we lost handily

[MegAzumarill]

I was town

[MegAzumarill]

Survivor cannot exist

[MegAzumarill]

My first game had catboi scum iirc, we lost handily

Catboi was town, I did not recall correctly

[MegAzumarill]

FRAME: Enchant

Ima just leave this here

[MegAzumarill]

FTR I'm not sheeping the catboi wagon because It's the largest, it's because I think the people already on it are town.

[MegAzumarill]

have had some family in town and am currently working on a compiled reads list,

[MegAzumarill]

Agree with std that im not convinced this arguement isn't in good faith from either side, but that's not a clear either way.

[MegAzumarill]

UNVOTE:
To be continued when I read the pages I'm missing

[MegAzumarill]

Car broke down today.
In depth read list now on hold
I don't feel like reading the last 13 pages and I was wondering if I should bother.

SCP, Nashville, FL, are my scumreads at this point and I plan to vote within them. StD, Norwe, Mastina, Well Done, and SoD are town.

[MegAzumarill]

Oh I wish I was malefactor
I would thrive

[MegAzumarill]

? No matter my alignment I know yall aren't werewolf.
I know you are town if and only if I am mafia and you aren't (or malefactor but I digress)

[MegAzumarill]

I mean if I'm wolf I see you the exact same as if I'm town so not sure what you mean.
Maybe that in trying to remove you but it's not like I've been actively pushing

[MegAzumarill]

Malefactor should show not mafia to cop

[MegAzumarill]

because I specifically asked the mod about malefactors being treated as mafia/not mafia for pts like masons and monks and can extrapolate from incomplete data

[MegAzumarill]

Additionally imagine being solo scum that can't kill and tell me if you'd think it be fair to investigate as a faction you are not

[MegAzumarill]

frankly I'm >40 pages behind but malefactor is always a good lim, also can be a roleblocker/role cop so limming is important

[MegAzumarill]

hello nero who did u replace

[MegAzumarill]

Sorry you got a red pm then

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf
Vanity mostly

[MegAzumarill]

I don't wanna vote toog

[MegAzumarill]

Mainly because I haven't read whatever the case was

[MegAzumarill]

I feel like I'm missing some crucial piece of info here

[MegAzumarill]

I have a decent grasp on a few player's alignments I think, as well as any information I do or do not have via my role.

What I don't get is why everyone seems so bloodthirsty all of a sudden

[MegAzumarill]

We have 5 days and I intend to use at least 3 of them

[MegAzumarill]

FL my problem with you is you feel extremely Manipulative Luke you are playing for persuasion

[MegAzumarill]

I'm fairly convinced the toog wagon has multiple scum on it by the way it formed alone.

I don't townread Toogeloo but I also don't think you need my vote either, they may already be dead. I'll chill for now and we can talk about this wagon later

[MegAzumarill]

the wagon can be mafia on werewolf or vice versa is part of the deal.
Would rather vote on the wagon than join the wagon though.
I'll figure out who next vc

[MegAzumarill]

reading some posts does not mean they have been reading most posts.

But reading some posts should be enough to have some opinions.

Yet you're fine with Meg hinting she has reads she won't disclose, giving no reads, defending Toog and dodging a catboi read?

That should die over honest drowning.

I've disclosed my strongest reads this game already.
I haven't gone much in depth. You could ask me to.
I think Toog is greater than rand scum. I am not defending them but we can do much better.

Not much to say on catboi, I thought they were a little scummy early on then there posts grew on me. Not a strong read either way but leaning more toward green.

I know I've been lurking through most of this game but I've only really found my footing in it recently

[MegAzumarill]

meg can totally be scum. That whole "but we need to use more of the clock" is LAMISTT.

Considering I didn't use much of the time so far anyway and want to use the rest of it, that does fuel this decision as well as it being personal policy.

@Titus/Nashville

Car broke down today.
In depth read list now on hold
I don't feel like reading the last 13 pages and I was wondering if I should bother.

SCP, Nashville, FL, are my scumreads at this point and I plan to vote within them. StD, Norwe, Mastina, Well Done, and SoD are town.

I mean it's day 1 and my scumreads are basically all for game manipulation being explicitly tried for by the slots. (Probably worst offender is SCP, followed by FL, followed by you)
Townreads are mainly all vibes or previous experience (what isnt day 1)and while I'd put some confidence on them the use of sharing the reasons would not be very convincing to someone else.

Frankly I think toogeloo is scum but I think others are scum more and I ain't ending the day with this farce of an actual wagon.

[MegAzumarill]

Honestly Nashville may be scum-aligned with Toog

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Scp
This is my preferred elim today.

[MegAzumarill]

Nero you know my MO as scum I and rarely stray far from it.

You should really see this ain't it

[MegAzumarill]

I do think that Nashville seems to be swinging for the fences at whatever they can find which seems.... disproportionately desperate to what is going on. Makes the most sense as being aligned with toog and makes little sense to me as town

[MegAzumarill]

It's a valid complaint.
You are essentially attempting to force everyone to vote who you want and that's going to make people wary of the wagon. It's not your call to say which case is the strongest and presenting your case more prominently may help with that rather than repeating that it's strong to death

[MegAzumarill]

FL is very tunneled.
I concede it may be town.
I don't think it's a good case on catboi

[MegAzumarill]

FL is very tunneled.
I concede it may be town.

I don't think it's a good case on catboi

Explain 3 of my reasons on Catboi.

because even if it's wrong, it's still a good case.

So, go ahead.

Explain it.

This is me pushing you, not looking for Catboi.

I'm catching you out here.

Explain 3 of my reasons, because I don't believe you know them and just said this for discrediting.

Your reasons are grounded pretty squarely in the ground of not even considering the alternative.
The main reasoning I find (which feel few and far between the actual metric ton of generally just saying it's a good case or restating points) is circumstantial and I don't find it all that likely.

You point to specific circumstances or scenarios with absolute confidence they are for a specific reason and I don't think they have to be that reason or are even likely that reason.
I could cite specific grievances like you suggest but I don't consider the argument good because it does nothing to discourage me from Town!catboi and instead frontloads information on why scum!catboi is scum which while applicable cannot be used exclusively.

Also what part of me repeatedly asking you to compile and present your case more clearly makes you think I have the same understanding of your argument as you do? There is no combination of words that would soothe you on this point (besides lying about my own reads, big nono), since you would only consider me having understood your argument if I agreed with you, since you find your own case so bulletproof.

[MegAzumarill]

They literally are addressing my problems with the case as you are presenting it

If you have a problem with that is how it looks, change the way you present your case.

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Catboi

Forgot the vote.

and here I almost had faith in you

classic, honestly

This is the kind of thing Catboi's been doing, and I think SCP fell in the pocket after this.

If you notice this leads into Catboi butterchurn protection and turning SCP's butter scum read around, and then SCP gets cold feet on Catboi after seeing it.

They actively got played and turned around by Catboi.

And this is the type of play Catboi's been subtly doing all around.

he rewards the players when they town read them, and then talks in a "disappointed" kind of way.


This is also the type of thing they would try to say I'm doing, but I don't talk in a disappointed type of way, I push/go after, which is not helpful if I were coming from a scum perspective, correct? Just makes noise.


Catboi uses this tactic to get players to switch.


Catboi is using their tone to get people to read them as town.

I like this post. I think it is interesting looking at how catboi responds to different people and how the responses vary based on who the person is. For example, their responses to me follow a pattern of making me out to be stupid, to FL, making them out to be ridiculous, with very limited engagement with us that does not fall in those patterns. While to potential allies, there is a much more conciliatory tone. The “disappointed” thing that FL brings up is not something I had considered, but I think it has weight.

^very superficial explanation of what I mean, but something that I intend to talk more about later

This is one of the strongest reasons for it, imo.

Catboi has actively been choosing and picking how they react to people in a very manipulative fashion.

You can not agree with this case, but it is a good case, and if they are scum is 100% what they are doing.


To me, it's fairly obvious that WallFlower and Catboi was not TvT. You can sense it by the way Catboi acted towards WallFlower.

Anytime WallFlower said anything, Catboi pushed them as dumb and stupid.

They pushed Monkey as dense.

As soon as SPC turned on Catboi for a second, Catboi immediately made a comment like he was disappointed in SPC, like he was reprimanding them.



This is 1 thing.

This is the kind of thing that is circumstantial because you claim that catboi reacts in this way purposefully and only to be townread by these people but a lot of it is just natural responses that I could easily see town!catboi do. It would also be the natural reaction for people to read that interaction as being natural and townread catboi for it.

There's a not only possible but probably situation where that argument is just flat not true and is reading into motives when there wasn't one.

also playing to be townread is not a move only scum do in general, so using it as basis for a case feels weak on that front to

[MegAzumarill]

Now let's look at wagons and VCA.

Catboi wasn't able to get over 6 votes on them basically at any point in the game.

Neither have I, or you, or like 18 people in this game

There was wagon after wagon coming that was getting almost to the edge.

If Catboi were town, they would have both scum teams voting them, allowing for the wagon's possibility to get higher than 6.

Applicable for everyone, also scum typically dislike bandwagoning day 1 for no good reason

It's not that hard to get it higher than 6 with how hard this has been pushed by multiple people, the main 3 being Me, Monkey, and WallF, and now Nashville.

Why 6? What is signifigant about that number?

Nashville wagon gained momentum because scum were likely trying to protect Catboi.

Speculation at best, wishful thinking most likely. You claim catboi never was in actual danger but now scum are counterwagoning to save him?

Catboi not being able to move past 6 votes means that not that both scum have been pushing this. Catboi's partners have actively been not bussing, and maybe one has been on in one of the straggler slots, but yeah.

You assume everyone voting alongside you is scum then. Which feels both unlikely and extremely pessimistic about your skills of wagoning

Catboi is considered a stronger player and such scum would want that fade Day 1.

Why would scum want to push a strong player? Feels like a nightkill would be better suited to survival long term

Especially if I'm the one pushing it.

Scum easily can take advantage of this. This has been seen, like when I pushed Malcolm Tucker to a misfade earlier this year.

So you are saying youve done this before and limmed town? Would like a link to this game

This is a strong reason in itself.

Those 2 reasons combined make them near lock scum to me.

Neither of these are assumptions. Both of these are based on facts in the game that happened, and pulled analysis from it.

You assume things about these facts though. Pretty blatantly.

[MegAzumarill]

Your reasoning is circular

[MegAzumarill]

Your reasoning is circular

And you're more interested in chopping it all down than actually caring what I have to say.

Yeah because I don't think it's logically sound.

That's the point. I think it's a bad case. The fact it can so easily be felled probably should be taken as a sign it shouldnt have been up in the first place.

Do you have a problem with discrediting bad cases in general? Or do you just think I believe your case to be true as scum and want to tear it down because I want catboi alive? Like agree with you or not isn't the point. I'm not arguing your conclusion (catboi is scum) is false. I'm not defending catboi. I'm not saying you are scum for this push. I'm saying your reasons are incredibly poor and weak, even for a day 1 standard.

I don't see any point in furthering this conversation since it's evident I'm not correcting you and I don't think your case is the reason people scumread catboi anyway.

Your behavior, if from town is not helping your win condition. Try to take a step back from the game this night phase and reassess if you can, because I am not looking forward to the future if you dont.

[MegAzumarill]

Now let's look at wagons and VCA.

Catboi wasn't able to get over 6 votes on them basically at any point in the game.

Neither have I, or you, or like 18 people in this game

There was wagon after wagon coming that was getting almost to the edge.

If Catboi were town, they would have both scum teams voting them, allowing for the wagon's possibility to get higher than 6.

Applicable for everyone, also scum typically dislike bandwagoning day 1 for no good reason

It's not that hard to get it higher than 6 with how hard this has been pushed by multiple people, the main 3 being Me, Monkey, and WallF, and now Nashville.

Why 6? What is signifigant about that number?

Nashville wagon gained momentum because scum were likely trying to protect Catboi.

Speculation at best, wishful thinking most likely. You claim catboi never was in actual danger but now scum are counterwagoning to save him?

Catboi not being able to move past 6 votes means that not that both scum have been pushing this. Catboi's partners have actively been not bussing, and maybe one has been on in one of the straggler slots, but yeah.

You assume everyone voting alongside you is scum then. Which feels both unlikely and extremely pessimistic about your skills of wagoning

Catboi is considered a stronger player and such scum would want that fade Day 1.

Why would scum want to push a strong player? Feels like a nightkill would be better suited to survival long term

Especially if I'm the one pushing it.

Scum easily can take advantage of this. This has been seen, like when I pushed Malcolm Tucker to a misfade earlier this year.

So you are saying youve done this before and limmed town? Would like a link to this game

This is a strong reason in itself.

Those 2 reasons combined make them near lock scum to me.

Neither of these are assumptions. Both of these are based on facts in the game that happened, and pulled analysis from it.

You assume things about these facts though. Pretty blatantly.

lol are people scumreading this

Hi SCP would you like to restate your case on toogeloo.
I feel you were dismissive to their input and want to know what you had to justify that kind of play

[MegAzumarill]

UNVOTE: SCP
I still don't like the way you have been handling the toog wagon but I'm less interested in going here since I feel like a lot of my concerns previously were address and your presence in the game feels a lot different than your iso (in a good way)
I'm gonna take some time to examine the toogeloo wagon more closely

[MegAzumarill]

Toogeloo flipping scum still incriminates his wagon as the other scum.
Cut out the middleman and lim on the wagon

[MegAzumarill]

So we have 2 gunsmith claims + another guiltie

Also what does a bookie do?

[MegAzumarill]

so 8 ball
frankly I'm more liable to think FL is mafia than vigi

[MegAzumarill]

was it the same list of roles as gunsmith that it appears to get a guilty on?

[MegAzumarill]

FL should probably be out of contention for killing today and reexamination tomorrow seems wise. (Extra kill data will be nice)

[MegAzumarill]

That I find FL probable to be mafia/malefactor but there's no point limming there when we can get much more info about the nature if the catboi kill based on kills tomorrow (determining whether the kill was likely a vig shot or a factional kill for instance)
FL can be tunneled town but I find it less likely since they wouldn't have made that much of a stink yesterday and just quietly shot if they were actually vigi. Course I could be wrong.

Effectively FLs claim gets a lot more or less believable depending on tonight's kill(s) and tomorrow nights kill(s)

[MegAzumarill]

Additionally I'm fairly sure it's just you and FL actively scumreading me for the most part so "overwhelming consensus" is a bit of a misrep

[MegAzumarill]

Probably the ydrasse guilty but besides that it'd probably be you

I plan to reread catboi ISO as some not werewolf verdicts should be applicable

[MegAzumarill]

you did pull the people I said + 2 people with 1 line.
So not actively scumreading

[MegAzumarill]

ok fair enough

[MegAzumarill]

If you find FL to be probable scum you should *not* want him to be in the game longer considering the sheer amount of influence he is capable of having on Day play

That is much more impactful than the info that might be gained by waiting until Night play gives us confirmation or more concrete info

True but I dont expect FL to live very long regardless of alignmentand if they are in fact scum this is more associative to look into

[MegAzumarill]

You do know vigis can be scum aligned right?
And why wouldn't you claim in night phase if you were planning on faking vigi and knew Noone in the monastery could kill you for it?

[MegAzumarill]

Voting anyone here is a bad idea util ydrasse confesses their guilty

[MegAzumarill]

Where did klick refuse to talk?

[MegAzumarill]

Voting isn't talking and that was me

[MegAzumarill]

Ok but not doing the Supreme form of something isn't not doing that at all?

Your point still doesn't stand

And is still addressing the wrong person that 52423 was referring to

[MegAzumarill]

5423*

[MegAzumarill]

I mean stop putting words in my mouth then

[MegAzumarill]

but overall i am not wholly unopposed to yeeting meg

But why

[MegAzumarill]

Why do you think they aren't malefactor?

[MegAzumarill]

Actually I see the point

[MegAzumarill]

I'd malefactor vigi doesn't make sense to shoot ww, even if you townread them because you were setting up the elimination there.

[MegAzumarill]

I'm accepting that as a possibility

[MegAzumarill]

also B should be rolled town vig, because scum vig can exist

[MegAzumarill]

True

[MegAzumarill]

Mind waiting for the other guilty to be announced though?

[MegAzumarill]

If MM wasn't gunsmith how did he know FL has a gun?
I see no reason not believe it

[MegAzumarill]

Then why the gunsmith claim over something like cop?
And why 1 shot claim afterward so no chance of following up with another guilty to cash in the cred

[MegAzumarill]

3 nightkills would prove a killing role but not alignment

[MegAzumarill]

not quite

[MegAzumarill]

Alignment assignment and role design had a random element; as a result, the setup may break certain common assumptions, such as the idea that a neighborhood cannot be composed entirely of members of the same scumteam. If you find yourself thinking the mod would never make some particular role town or scum, you are probably wrong

[MegAzumarill]

If you find yourself thinking the mod would never make some particular role town or scum, you are probably wrong

[MegAzumarill]

We've also ALREADY seen scum flip with a role that could cause extra nightkills

[MegAzumarill]

From my understanding, Catboi would have had to use the action last night to get a kill.

To get a possible kill for Night 2. Don’t believe they ever were able to shoot Night 1 with that role

The point is that scum are proven able to have killing roles, not that catboi would have had a chance to use his

[MegAzumarill]

this isn't normal

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Nashville
Aight the monk and the werewolf aren't aligned

[MegAzumarill]

Why claim though since this was already known

[MegAzumarill]

FL was already confirmed not werewolf via monastery

[MegAzumarill]

This is true but why post any result

[MegAzumarill]

I mean can you get more results?

[MegAzumarill]

We already knew WW wasn't a werewolf because werewolf's don't have guns unless because of their role.

??

[MegAzumarill]

[MegAzumarill]

Werewolfs don't have guns unless a cop or a vig or something like that. Mafia do.

Yeah but what did you mean by WW isn't a WW

[MegAzumarill]

I mean that still doesn't make sense but I see what you are saying

[MegAzumarill]

66: 17: 0

[MegAzumarill]

It's not more plausible because there are 4 chances for him to roll mafia. There is also the possibility there is no town vig. You are ignoring the actual odds.

What's the odds we're calculating because I dunno if you noticed I'm incredibly weird and keep using the Slot machines.

The odds FL rolled mafia vs. the odds he rolled town vig vs. the odds he is werewolf with some role with a gun.

66: 17: 0

[MegAzumarill]

That I find FL probable to be mafia/malefactor but there's no point limming there when we can get much more info about the nature if the catboi kill based on kills tomorrow (determining whether the kill was likely a vig shot or a factional kill for instance)
FL can be tunneled town but I find it less likely since they wouldn't have made that much of a stink yesterday and just quietly shot if they were actually vigi. Course I could be wrong.

Effectively FLs claim gets a lot more or less believable depending on tonight's kill(s) and tomorrow nights kill(s)

Did flavor claim ungated vig though?

They claim to be able to kill if every monk is alive

[MegAzumarill]

std FL and scp

[MegAzumarill]

That's my policy in every game so your point is?

[MegAzumarill]

in theory

[MegAzumarill]

the other theory is that I'm a wolf I suppose

[MegAzumarill]

which does assume I turned down being literally asked to hammer a townie while my partner is the biggest counterwagon which is... possible I guess

[MegAzumarill]

tone def or not its true

[MegAzumarill]

well apparently my connection to catboi is under fire and he was a wolf

[MegAzumarill]

Also my "defense" of catboi was deconstructing FLs arguement because it was bad (and still is)

[MegAzumarill]

You, Nashville, FL to an extent, CSF to an extent, a few more mainly because of I find others townier and 8 scum remain

[MegAzumarill]

forgot mena

[MegAzumarill]

I mean I'm not arguing this anymore but I disagree

[MegAzumarill]

Do I really have to go find the umpteen times I make these comments as town? Because it's a lot
Yall gonna do me like that

[MegAzumarill]

I do. The only time I push for quick eliminations is as scum however.
The point is this is a consistent philosophy of mine. Town wins from information, more time means more information.
Refusing to hammer a wagon until deadline is hanging over heads is at worst NAI for me.

[MegAzumarill]

Compare the amount I interacted with the game before and after that post

[MegAzumarill]

I'm not
I'm saying I do it as town, not only as town

[MegAzumarill]

This is literally what I am arguing

[MegAzumarill]

Compare the amount I interacted with the game before and after that post

Just read the game overnight then?

Just started feeling comfortable enough to interact, had enough to comment on and had solid impressions on a good amount of the game. Also decided to trash plans to chronicle every player at once because it was unmanagable

[MegAzumarill]

Thats literally not the case at all
it's more like it was
X + Y = Z
You said that Z = 4 and are trying to say that X and Y are equal to 2

Z was confirmed to be >= 4, X and Y are still in the air

[MegAzumarill]

viewtopic.php?p=10879694#p10879694 - this post is from the game after I initially claimed Day 3 IC as a vig in, when we got to Day 3, the only death was on a scum member, meaning my vig shot was the only kill that night as well. just like here.

and this is how scum reacted towards me. Seem familiar?

They also went on to call me scum who shot my own partner.





These 2 below are scum's reaction to my Day 3 IC claim on the same page I did it.

viewtopic.php?p=10854453#p10854453

viewtopic.php?p=10854546#p10854546

"VOTE: FL
I'm a simple person- I don't see the promised D3 IC flip, I don't believe a word he says, and I don't buy his "choose 2 out of 4" solve.
I have never played a game where it was ALLEGEDLY this 'easy and simple'."

This is how scum talk to townVig me, and there's proof there in the link in my quoted post.

This is exactly how Klick is talking to me here, by the way, and Dunn/Mega.

100% scum in there.

cite sources

[MegAzumarill]

Do you intend to join the MegAzumarill wagon?

[MegAzumarill]

What happens if a beloved princess gets shot?

Nothing apparently

[MegAzumarill]

FL you keep doing that thing where you say something explicitly not fact and call it a fact

[MegAzumarill]

who's slot was norwee i just had a game complete where he completely snowed me and i want to reread his slot actually

ydra

[MegAzumarill]

This is true

[MegAzumarill]

I'd give it from. purely statistical standpoint about 4:1
Probably greater percent town there but still likely to be scum

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Mena
Fine with pressur where since Nashville wagon doesn't seem to be happening

[MegAzumarill]

man that's lamisty

[MegAzumarill]

May be a fallacy but it ain't gamblers

[MegAzumarill]

That's my policy in every game so your point is?

It’s a shit policy
Also given catboi being near constantly under pressure the push to extend the day seems like trying to fish for alternatives to happen

I was literally asked to hammer Toog so why would I have a reason to fish for an alternative? I had one already

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Nashville
Thoughts on this slot haven't changed (although they haven't posted so that may be obvious)

[MegAzumarill]

I'll need to catch up later.
From what I have read Monkey has dropped a few notches

[MegAzumarill]

not quite that but it’s a pedantic difference

i check for matching win conditions

Did you mention this earlier because I think this may clear FL from being mafia which is a huge deal

[MegAzumarill]

Or maybe it'sa malefactor clear idfk depends on wording actually

[MegAzumarill]

I'm opposed to eliminate dunn because the slot was pretty towny day 1 especially I liked their interactions with FL.

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Convince me MT is scum.

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You are allowed to talk during twilight

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I can't be partnered with Mastina

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Why can't you be partnered with Mastina?

I'm a mason as confirmed by 3 people. It's impossible for me to be mafia

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The gamestate is pretty abysmal right now to play.
I think the masonry is all town, I don't think they are paired with catboi although there's not hard evidence in that direction.

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I do apologize for being inactive though

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For anyone other than you and monkey and arguably FL

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VOTE: Dunnstral
Not entirely caught up but I think I can get behind thus wagon

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Its possible Enchant wouldnt shoot FL since they could have thought Mastina would rb them.
Fl is just town im pretty sure

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B)
Still in the game baby
FL, Math, StD, Nashville , Town
Tictac /klick special case (masonry)
SoD town but less
Wouldnt be surprised if at least 4/5 scum was in the rest

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Oh yeah nero too, put wm in the SoD category

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That leaves Cass mena keeper bnuuy csf as scum.Not too confident on that solve though

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Cleric math was obvious (although i forgot what it was called) Knowing who didnt die specifically by werewolves practically screams ww doctor

Occultist shot is interesting.
Frankly a massclaim at this point isnt the worst thing, any investigatives seem to be gated in some form and the info is valuable

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Wasnt mena the ww fn tho

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I may have a gulity

I think
Save The Dragons
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bnuuy
tictac
Menalque

needs to go ahead and claim if they haven't and if they have they can remind me of what they claimed

I'm a mason but thats not my full role.

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I mean I agree that FL is town

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Yes, day 2
I am a bodyguard

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N1 Klick
N2 No action
N3 Mathblade

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Okay but the strongest arguement is that FL literally shot both scumteams.

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Yes, day 2
I am a bodyguard

N1 Klick
N2 No action
N3 Mathblade

Thank you. Were these discussed in masonry?
Did you miss cassowary claim?

I saw Cass's claim (not sure how I feel about it) and these were discussed (not mathblade yet because Ive grown a bit more wary of the masonry)
Klick had outed as gs in masonry so that was n1. N2 was because there wasnt a great target and a mason bg alive is better than the average protect anyway.

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Okay but the strongest arguement is that FL literally shot both scumteams.

Understand but the math doesn't add up. Should show after massclaim

Unless werewolves shot an outed vig target its just not feasible.

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Assuming FL scum
N1 mafia kill RC wolves no kill
N2 wolves shoot mastina. Mafia shoots butters.
N3 << logically impossible. Mafia can’t shoot a third time.

I can’t make FL scum work here.

N3 Werewolves shoot SCP

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Still doesnt work because werewolves have no reason to shoot an outed vigi target

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It is easily possible since cleric protect wouldnt matter if there was only one kill last night

Also both scumteams have a kill tonight since we are in the second group of 3 nights

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That said we agree on the conclusion although we disagree on reasons.

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If I am right, wolves and mafia have to no kill based on the rules
As N1 they would have no killed.

Then 2 and 3 they both killed
So then to avoid three nights with kills in a row they’d have to no kill

If there is a kill it’d out FL

I think its grouped for nights 1/2/3 then 4/5/6, then 6/8/9.
Because otherwise scum has no reason to no kill n1 then we have complications

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The problem is "each 3" can also be interpreted as each seperate group of 3 (123 456 789)

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I did forget I explicitly cannot be protected from dying if I protect someone from a kill.

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One thing about clerics is they explicitly dont investigate as werewolf to occultists

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And roleblockers are faux positives

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Werewolves did have extra nk power

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Werewolves did have extra nk power

How? Not seeing that

Bookie

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In theory the cleric can be gated

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FL shouldnt be limmed
Period. end of

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Because the only world where FL is scum Werewolves HAVE to shoot them themself to be rid of them then.
Lets send the scum instead of the townie

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they claimed GS either day or night one, i forget
They claimed targetting you begore MM claimed their result

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Klick is the gs not tictac

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This is the most pointless t/t ive ever seen.
VOTE: Cassowary

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Cass is conf town

Stop it

How
Even if the acolyte claim is true that doesnt make them town

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Role assignment is random and it makes sense for either scum alignment

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Role assignment is random and it makes sense for either scum alignment

Yes I agree

Cass is still town move on

Dont say they are confirmed town based off of claim then and actually give me why you townread

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Klick doesnt tho with a flipped rber is the thing
And cass isnt confirmed town either on mech

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Role assignment is random and it makes sense for either scum alignment

Yes I agree

Cass is still town move on

Dont say they are confirmed town based off of claim then and actually give me why you townread

Cass is conf town because mech move on

You literally said you agreed with my reasoning of why this isnt the case

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Then how are they mech cleared?

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:/
Im not finding the majority of your logic sound so if you wont present your reason im not treating cass as mech cleared


Also i am voting cass ND

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FL isnt a VT now
They are effectively an IC

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Also fools occultist

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BG is not a strictly benficial action
Mason Bodyguard is a >Average role and trading that role for another when the target could easily be VT, a weaker PR than a Mason Bodyguard, or scum meant that I wasnt targetting anyone without an explicit reason to. This was discussed in the masonry

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tictac claimed pure vanilla mason

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Nero fullclaim now

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I

DID

think that I might have had a gulity. Like I was looking at the list and I was like "damn thats alot of prs" and I thought to myself well maybe this is a sorta role madness game and I'm the token vt which would mean that I'm in a 1v1 with Ducks. But mena and bnuuy also claiming vt means that's not a thing unless they are both scum too. lol

Fullclaim

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VOTE: Nero

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No I just dislike the rolegishing from a vanilla claim

. And a Mason BG dead is strictly worse than a Zero Shot Gunsmith Mason

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I think that my most likely target was mastina so it ended up helpful

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Actually FL had called so probably not

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N1 Klick
N2 No action
N3 Mathblade

What’s even more sus is N1 Klick.

Lmao

Who doesn’t bodyguard FL claimed vig?

FL claimed vig d2, only claimed d1 in monastery
Klick claimed gs in masonry day 1

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Because I thought FL was scum?

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Because FL literally shot both scumteams? Ive been over this.
Also klick just claimed GS not One shot

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The general consnesus day 1 was scum wasnt shooting anyway
I did think it was possible

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Because FL literally shot both scumteams? Ive been over this.
Also klick just claimed GS not One shot

Except he didn’t? There’s nothing that eliminates wolves shooting Mastina and FL shooting Butters.

Or it is possible FL shot Mastina.

I find it more likely FL shoots butters in this case but I do not trust FL because he doesn’t scumread Klick here

There’s the four Boolean options. Three of which Klick is ascetic scum. It’s so weird that FL doesn’t scumread Klick and part of me thinks it’s because he knows Klick is town.

Theres the active claim they would shoot mastina, which makes ww aiming there in any world unlikely to say the least. Doesnt pass occams razor

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Scum lurking while town actively tears itself apart right now