Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[MonkeyMan576]

Like, you can kill, but if a scum player in your monastary dies you can't kill anymore?

[MonkeyMan576]

No the monkeys they monkeys.

[MonkeyMan576]

THat would be pretty bastard, this may be role madness and not normal but I don't think it's supposed to be bastard.

[MonkeyMan576]

FL hard pocketed me yesterday. You had to be there. He was scum pinging me throughout the entire day. Plus I know how FL can dominate a game and I didn't want that to happen especially if he's scum.

[MonkeyMan576]

Yeah you would never do that.

[MonkeyMan576]

He was scum pinging me throughout the entire day.

Why did you have him at 95 town in 4440?

It's called not showing your hand.

[MonkeyMan576]

I don't buy FL's kill conditions.

[MonkeyMan576]

I suppose I could go with a Meg elim but it's not my first choice.

[MonkeyMan576]

Yeah I think the pro town thing to do is avoid more claims.

[MonkeyMan576]

We've got plenty of scum candidates to elim that I am comfortable with getting rid of without more discussion/wagons. May not be the typical strategy but I think it will work.

[MonkeyMan576]

Fine.

VOTE: MegAzumarill

My suspicion and result on Flavor Leaf still stands.

[MonkeyMan576]

VOTE: FlavorLeaf

[MonkeyMan576]

I like to play the numbers games, they usually work out more than not. If you guys don't want to elim FL that's fine, but it won't be because of me.

[MonkeyMan576]

What happens if a beloved princess gets shot?

A Beloved Princess is a player who, upon death, causes the next Day phase to be skipped. A common variation for Beloved Princess is that the Day-skipping event only occurs if the Beloved player is eliminated.

So, it's undetermined what happens if they get shot rather than eliminated.

[MonkeyMan576]

i also dont give a shit if you think im only hunting 1 faction - I think people like Klick/MegA who were off wagon are going to flip Mafia and after today you're going to look like a clown when its clear I'm not aligned with them

Says the person who swore catboi was town.

[MonkeyMan576]

catboi, I think that it is advisable to just leave FL be here for now. I think you are both town.

[MonkeyMan576]

SCP's next post: "That's just a coincidence."

[MonkeyMan576]

catboi, I think that it is advisable to just leave FL be here for now. I think you are both town.

damn u really pulled out 1 post out and didnt read the rest

the laziness is clear

as it turns out i can change my mind based on new info

I like how SCP is trying to convince us they are town after not voting catboi the whole day and specifically saying I think you are town.

[MonkeyMan576]

I don't care who you are scum with.

[MonkeyMan576]

Well you sure didn't vote him.

[MonkeyMan576]

The truth will set you free!

[MonkeyMan576]

I don't think we should be taking advise from scum.

[MonkeyMan576]

This is just catboi 2.0

[MonkeyMan576]

You are all a bunch of losers don't you dare scum read me don't you dare look at any actual evidence!

[MonkeyMan576]

Which avatar?

[MonkeyMan576]

Appeal to Authority: Relying overmuch on the arguments of "older, wiser" players (especially when the argument is theoretical rather than based on the facts of the current game) can be a fallacious arguments designed to persuade.

[MonkeyMan576]

Mafia Wiki

[MonkeyMan576]

@Klick what are the odds that FL is mafia vs. town vig?

[MonkeyMan576]

if FL is mafia just let his team continue to nk the wolves. lol

He didn't know catboi was wolf.

[MonkeyMan576]

VOTE: Mena
Fine with pressur where since Nashville wagon doesn't seem to be happening

no i need to kill a mafia today because then i cant be cleared

(inb4 mena is actually mafia)

You would think you want to kill mafia to help town win.

[MonkeyMan576]

VOTE: SCP 682

Thank you for scum claiming.

[MonkeyMan576]

no thanks I wanna get the bad guys.

[MonkeyMan576]

Who knows. Team correlation isn't my speciality.

[MonkeyMan576]

lol.

[MonkeyMan576]

I can't wait to read that.

[MonkeyMan576]

let's not rolefish.

[MonkeyMan576]

ah...

[MonkeyMan576]

That would be the logical scum play though, is the thing, and there's way more chances for him to roll mafia(4) than town vig(1 or less).

[MonkeyMan576]

VOTE: FL

[MonkeyMan576]

People lie.

[MonkeyMan576]

Given that you refuse to say anything actually about the game besides "I gotta feeling" this is kinda funny.

[MonkeyMan576]

I don't see myself convincing you I'm not mafia here but if I am to die at any point, I ask you to trust FL and also see Enchant + Monkeyman as town, but uh maybe not really listen to them as much. (I'd listen to Enchant if you have no one else to trust at this point).
I think bunny and Save the Dragons are also is possibly trustworthy people who have their head on their shoulders at this point - I don't feel so comfortable giving more names in case I am wrong + the other people I think are town I would rather not lead this game atp.

Extremely bad advise. I know what I’m talking about. I was on catboi the entire day one and they didn’t want anything to do with a catboi wagon, we know how that turned out. So who do you trust?

[MonkeyMan576]

I don't see myself convincing you I'm not mafia here but if I am to die at any point, I ask you to trust FL and also see Enchant + Monkeyman as town, but uh maybe not really listen to them as much. (I'd listen to Enchant if you have no one else to trust at this point).
I think bunny and Save the Dragons are also is possibly trustworthy people who have their head on their shoulders at this point - I don't feel so comfortable giving more names in case I am wrong + the other people I think are town I would rather not lead this game atp.

Extremely bad advise. I know what I’m talking about. I was on catboi the entire day one and they didn’t want anything to do with a catboi wagon, we know how that turned out. So who do you trust?

You were mainly sheeping FL

Just because we agreed doesn’t mean I was sheeping him.

[MonkeyMan576]

FL already claimed vig so there’s only one town slot he could be. However he could still be any of the four mafia slots plus any werewolf slot with a gun.

[MonkeyMan576]

From the way I see it yes.

[MonkeyMan576]

He doesn’t even have to be roleblocked he just needs to claim he is roleblocked.

[MonkeyMan576]

It’s not a fallacy mafia is a game of probability.

[MonkeyMan576]

It’s both

[MonkeyMan576]

It’s much more possible you’re a wolf.

[MonkeyMan576]

The character was killed, probably.

[MonkeyMan576]

Or I could just be right.

[MonkeyMan576]

It's not like I'm unwilling to wait on FL's demise, I just don't think it's the smart choice.

[MonkeyMan576]

Well, I am only one vote.

[MonkeyMan576]

well you know what they say about leading a horse to water.

[MonkeyMan576]

Saying that the game is "not fun" seems like a scum perspective since town is probably ahead.

[MonkeyMan576]

We need to elim Flavor Leaf. Trust me.

u need to fullcliam the info before i lim FL

yes he can be mafia due to catboi flip but as someone who has caught a scum im willing to give it a pass unless u have mech info

I don't need to fullclaim. Would I really turn on someone who was pocketing me without evidence?

???
If you think someone is pocketing you I would generally expect you to turn on them?

Not necessarily right away.

[MonkeyMan576]

We need to elim Flavor Leaf. Trust me.

u need to fullcliam the info before i lim FL

yes he can be mafia due to catboi flip but as someone who has caught a scum im willing to give it a pass unless u have mech info

I don't need to fullclaim. Would I really turn on someone who was pocketing me without evidence?

???
If you think someone is pocketing you I would generally expect you to turn on them?

Not necessarily right away.

Because you can get more info by stringing someone along if they think that you think that they are town.
Why not? I know that if you’re pocketed in a hood it can be good to ride it out but that isn’t the case here

[MonkeyMan576]

Because you can get more info by stringing someone along if they think that you think that they are town.

[MonkeyMan576]

Because I got a guilty and I thought it was more prudent to get rid of his scummy butt.

[MonkeyMan576]

Hope you are feeling better FL. Sorry you rolled scum.

[MonkeyMan576]

I still don't think it makes sense for FL's kill condition to be tied to keeping possible scum alive.

I still think it's more possible for him to be scum who decided to fake claim vig than actual vig.

I still think we don't want FL to be around in the late portions of the game.

I still think FL being eliminated is better than any potential vig beneifit.

[MonkeyMan576]

I still don't think it makes sense for FL's kill condition to be tied to keeping possible scum alive.

I still think it's more possible for him to be scum who decided to fake claim vig than actual vig.

I still think we don't want FL to be around in the late portions of the game.

I still think FL being eliminated is better than any potential vig beneifit.

It makes perfect sense. It makes him less likely to shoot into the monastery.

If he is town and the other monastary player is scum why shouldn't he shoot them? Seems like a conflict of interest.

[MonkeyMan576]

Thats literally what CabD did in the first iteration of this theme rofl

What's that? Can you provide a link?

[MonkeyMan576]

i think CSF is more likely town than SCP.

[MonkeyMan576]

Yeah that's what they said about catboi and toog.

[MonkeyMan576]

Yes I already posted it, check my iso.

[MonkeyMan576]

Besides your vote history says it all.

[MonkeyMan576]

catboi, I think that it is advisable to just leave FL be here for now. I think you are both town.

[MonkeyMan576]

So you are claiming confirmed not werewolf, but not necessarily not mafia it sounds like.

[MonkeyMan576]

So you are claiming confirmed not werewolf, but not necessarily not mafia it sounds like.

but if they're mafia why would them not voting catboi be evidence they were scum

they wouldn't have known catboi's alignment to begin with

mafia would have motivation to eliminate werewolf catboi right?

[MonkeyMan576]

I didn't get any sense that Koba was scumreading catboi ever.

[MonkeyMan576]

Yeah it makes sense to wait but players can get kill happy sometimes.

[MonkeyMan576]

SCP is not playing a team game in my opinion, the way townies should play.

[MonkeyMan576]

By this time in the game you should have a block of more than four or five people if you are town.

[MonkeyMan576]

good for me.

[MonkeyMan576]

Scum are obviously trying to control the game but we don't have to let them.

[MonkeyMan576]

I love it when people vote scum all day 1 and then expect people to townread them day 2.

[MonkeyMan576]

I mean vote as scum.

[MonkeyMan576]

I promise.

[MonkeyMan576]

Yes, making people accountable for their votes is such bad play.

[MonkeyMan576]

Anyone in particular?

[MonkeyMan576]

not necessarily catboi was probably not going to happen and no elim is probably as good as a mis elim to them if it doesn't mean that one of them gets elimd.

[MonkeyMan576]

Why do I feel like mastina is biding time.

[MonkeyMan576]

I don't know. Probably related to her role.

[MonkeyMan576]

What’s that supposed to mean. I don’t remember the last time I v l a d.

[MonkeyMan576]

VLA sorry, my phone was autocorrecting my acronyms.

[MonkeyMan576]

Yes, I meant mastina, sorry.

I just find mastina's low activity suspicious in general.

[MonkeyMan576]

I just said to take the VLA aspect out of it, it's the activity level that's concerning

[MonkeyMan576]

Yeah but I don't want to question the integrity of a high ranking member of the site.

It just seems a very odd thing to do in my opinion.

[MonkeyMan576]

What's interesting about Nero and Mastina?

[MonkeyMan576]

Good point.

[MonkeyMan576]

Maybe if you stopped tunneling me you it could actually be construed as scumhunting.

[MonkeyMan576]

votecount 1.F

Toogeloo (12) | SCP 682, Ydrasse, Menalque, butterchurn, tictac, catboi, mastina, Sword of Ducks, Save The Dragons, bnuuy, cassowary, Nashville Dreams

catboi (5) | MonkeyMan576, Nero Cain, Flavor Leaf, Toogeloo, Cat Scratch Fever

Flavor Leaf (2) | Dunnstral, Klick

The Keeper (1) | Enchant
MonkeyMan576 (1) | The Keeper

Not Voting | MegAzumarill, MalcolmTucker

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to politely ask someone to leave.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-05-09 09:41:00).

Double checking the VC now.

votecount 2.6

Cat Scratch Fever (7) | Flavor Leaf, Nashville Dreams, bnuuy, tictac, Ydrasse, Save The Dragons, Menalque

Flavor Leaf (5) | Klick, Dunnstral, mastina, MonkeyMan576, Cat Scratch Fever

Nashville Dreams (3) | butterchurn, Enchant, MegAzumarill

butterchurn (1) | SCP 682
MonkeyMan576 (1) | The Keeper
bnuuy (1) | cassowary
Dunnstral (1) | Nero Cain
Menalque (1) | Sword of Ducks

Not Voting | MalcolmTucker

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to politely ask someone to leave.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-05-20 20:06:00).

If CSF is flipped green, Nashville, bnuuy, tictac, StD, and Ydrasse will have a lot of town blood on their hands.

[MonkeyMan576]

Yeah because we're just supposed to trust on a red flip based on what happened day 1.

[MonkeyMan576]

VOTE: Menalque

[MonkeyMan576]

Voted toog, didn't seem crazy about voting catboi, plus Sword voting him is a plus. He's been all over the place in general and doesn't seem to want to commit to anything.

[MonkeyMan576]

Yes, I meant mastina, sorry.

I just find mastina's low activity suspicious in general.

My activity is, objectively: not low. Not in posts per day (dead serious, if you math it out--which I did--it comes out to over 3 posts per 24 hours, and is actually even closer to 4 per day), and not in content (almost every post of mine contains content which was, well: content).

But again, players see raw numbers of pages, posts, etc. And blindly make claims that are provably false, because of sheer laziness and/ or scumminess.

Don't believe me?

Well you can either wait for me to post the math and give iso highlights, or if you don't wanna wait, do the math yourself (don't forget to subtract 48 hours due to the night phase) and the iso yourself to see for yourself that I actually AM actively here, playing, and contributing IN SPITE OF MY IOBLIGATIONS.

I literally am making time for this game at almost every opportunity that I can.

You're acting like no one that posts regularly has other obligations. So I'm not buying it, sorry. You can go all Colin Raye on us all you want.

[MonkeyMan576]

What's changed with Nero in the last 6-8 years?

[MonkeyMan576]

would love if this game could go two seconds without devolving into people arguing about how good they are at mafia

What do you mean, everyone knows exactly who scum are on day 2!?!?!?

[MonkeyMan576]

@Mastina, are you actually a beloved princess?

[MonkeyMan576]

You can call me names all you want, but I'm not the only one that thinks your posts have been lacking effort or sincerity.

[MonkeyMan576]

Are we just randomly picking names out of a hat?

[MonkeyMan576]

If Menalque thinks Dunn is town he's probably scum.

VOTE: Dunn

[MonkeyMan576]

Just a city boy born and raised in south Detroit…

[MonkeyMan576]

I think the Mena/Dunn teammate theory is pretty plausible...

[MonkeyMan576]

He is, but no one likes the idea of his wagon, so...

[MonkeyMan576]

$20 says he is "roleblocked" tomorrow.

[MonkeyMan576]

Mafia:
Mastina
Flavor Leaf

Werewolf:
Catboi
Dunnstral
Menalque

That's the theory I'm working on for now.

[MonkeyMan576]

Every time Dunnstral speaks I want them more eliminated.

[MonkeyMan576]

I could see Klick as the fourth werewolf.

[MonkeyMan576]

Dunnstral and Menalque

[MonkeyMan576]

I think one of the leading wagons is scum and scum don't want to vote for their teammates.

[MonkeyMan576]

What does it mean to "be Dunnstral?"

[MonkeyMan576]

I don't particularly like FL and Mena being on the CSF wagon. Could be a town wagon.

[MonkeyMan576]

SIncerely disagree on FL town.

[MonkeyMan576]

I think Dunn is the best chance to hit scum today.

[MonkeyMan576]

Barring Flavor Leaf of course.

[MonkeyMan576]

it's okay, I understand scum is threatened by those actually gamesolving.

[MonkeyMan576]

probably because i was online at the time.

[MonkeyMan576]

If *everyone* thought you were a wolf you'd be eliminated I"m pretty sure.

[MonkeyMan576]

I think I just went up a few notches lol.

[MonkeyMan576]

I think Menalque doesn't want to implicate his scumbuddies.

[MonkeyMan576]

How does the parity cop work again?

[MonkeyMan576]

Personally I would have checked for two town players on day 1 if I had that role but that's just me.

[MonkeyMan576]

Obviously parity cop could be any alignment also and would be a pretty valuable scum role.

[MonkeyMan576]

Ironic that I was on catboi all day and Butter kept on scumreading me.

[MonkeyMan576]

Butter has been aligned with the wrong people the whole game. At some point wallposting is negated by that.

[MonkeyMan576]

I'm just saying the parity cop could be useful by conftowning players.

[MonkeyMan576]

Yes, we know FL is likely mafia and not a werewolf.

[MonkeyMan576]

I really really want you to be town. You're just not, FL.

[MonkeyMan576]

If you were intending to kill Catboi why didn't you say so D1 FL?

[MonkeyMan576]

there's a difference between wanting someone dead and saying you can kill them.

[MonkeyMan576]

I'm pretty sure you scumread me after I suspected catboi, Butter.

[MonkeyMan576]

I think avoiding claiming is better for town. I'm fine with the lack of wagoning.

[MonkeyMan576]

I think having a template of who to kill is better for scum than town.

Town have other ways of discerning who the bad guys are.

[MonkeyMan576]

I"m not saying our lim pool should be already claimed players. I'm saying overdoing wagons on players just to wagon them is a bad strategy if you think they are town.

[MonkeyMan576]

I kinda doubt wolf and mafia have matching win conditions. Catboi-wolf and FL-mafia should still be possible/likely.

[MonkeyMan576]

What post did he claim miller in?

[MonkeyMan576]

I've never heard of a interpretation where miller isn't part of town.

[MonkeyMan576]

You could always verify with the mod to see what you come up as in a Parity Cop investigation.

[MonkeyMan576]

There is a chance a miller would get a "non aligned" result to a parity cop between two townies due to the miller role.

[MonkeyMan576]

@Nero Maybe you're not town.

[MonkeyMan576]

Don’t go out on a limb on the cat wagon fl.

[MonkeyMan576]

Very low key.

[MonkeyMan576]

I agree Nero is actually acting town it’s just that I was scumreading wallflower so I have to contemplate that.

[MonkeyMan576]

Could CSF/FL/Dunn ALL be scum?

[MonkeyMan576]

I find this an immensley interesting game with the multiball and the catboi rageflip especially not sure how any one could not be enjoying it personally.

[MonkeyMan576]

I agree with SCP on Enchant I feel like he's holding back

[MonkeyMan576]

What does the alignments of the last game have to do with this game?

[MonkeyMan576]

Dunn is at E3 now from my count.

[MonkeyMan576]

I want to eliminate scum.

[MonkeyMan576]

Yep sometimes people need to be reminded.

[MonkeyMan576]

If I was a miller like role I'd be working overtime to convince players I was town I don't feel like Dunn is doing that.

[MonkeyMan576]

Sooo, elim Dunn today and csf tomorrow and get the day over with?

[MonkeyMan576]

translation: I don't want to eliminate my scum teammates.

[MonkeyMan576]

What do you mean, Nero, he claimed town!?!?!? obv no one lies in mafia.

[MonkeyMan576]

I just feel like the scum are using the no-we-aren't-you-are defense and aren't providing any decent reasoning.

[MonkeyMan576]

If everyone on the two major wagons could decide on one player that would go a long way.

[MonkeyMan576]

I'm sure they're just fine with a no elimination.

[MonkeyMan576]

I think we are pretty algined on our reads, Nero.

[MonkeyMan576]

yeah but he's saying he could come up guilty in a parity check so there's no real point on wasting a check.

[MonkeyMan576]

There wasn't a miller type role in the last game right?

[MonkeyMan576]

That requires reading.

[MonkeyMan576]

If you know you get a non-town result to a parity cop then there would be no reason to suggest that a parity cop should target you.

You are scum, that's all there is to it.

[MonkeyMan576]

I say it is irrelevant,

my role does not do anything special when targeted by a cop

.

You said it right here. Now you are backtracking.

[MonkeyMan576]

A parity cop is a cop.

[MonkeyMan576]

I was clarifying, it was unclear. I still think you're scum.

[MonkeyMan576]

Pretty munch vanity wagons are a vote for a no elimination at this point. This is not townie.

[MonkeyMan576]

I'm not convinced and I don't think most others are either. You're just being obstinate at this point or are anti-town and not caring to even try to seem town.

[MonkeyMan576]

I'll vote MT if I have to but it's not my first choice by far.

[MonkeyMan576]

VOTE: MalcolmTucker

Going to the Rockies/Royals game and may not be able to vote later in the day.

[MonkeyMan576]

Town don't need to try and look town.

I hard disagree with this. Mafia is a social game, and you have to be able to read the room in order to get things done. If no one thinks you are town, then people will just roll their eyes any time you post, and gravitate towards the players they think are the most town.

[MonkeyMan576]

I'm pretty sure bnnuy is town. But that's just me.

[MonkeyMan576]

I think Dunn is just making things up as they go along.

[MonkeyMan576]

After ISOing MT I'm seriously considering unvoting but I just can't bring myself to do it.

[MonkeyMan576]

Checking his meta, not ISOing rather.

[MonkeyMan576]

This isn't Malcolm's first rodeo he should know he's allowed to talk during twilight. He's probably just scum.

[MonkeyMan576]

In fact in this point he seems to knowingly post during twilight in a previous game:
viewtopic.php?p=13330096#p13330096

He may have forgotten but I doubt it.

[MonkeyMan576]

post not point sorry.

[MonkeyMan576]

4 scum down in 2 nights? I like were we're at.

Welcome to the town Flavor Leaf!

VOTE: MegAzumarill

[MonkeyMan576]

Yeah unless he killed his own teammate which wouldn't be above him but probably not.

[MonkeyMan576]

At least I know mastina's scum game now.

[MonkeyMan576]

Yeah unless he killed his own teammate which wouldn't be above him but probably not.

Why are we assuming FL killed mastina and not butterchurn? Either way points to town FL...

Then again, it could be wolves shot mastina, mafia shot butterchurn.

Only because FL said he intended to kill mastina ahead of time.

[MonkeyMan576]

UNVOTE: Meg

Cat Scratch Fever wagon?

[MonkeyMan576]

True, if Mastina roleblocked Flavor Leaf that should have gone through before Flavor Leaf's kill.

[MonkeyMan576]

Mastina has been "busy" though maybe she forgot.

[MonkeyMan576]

I'm just a skeptical dude especially when it comes to scum.

[MonkeyMan576]

Maybe but using it randomly probably wouldn't have been the best play but that's just my opinion.

[MonkeyMan576]

I'm not saying she was deliberately VLA I'm just saying she was pretty blatantly not town based on her interactions.

[MonkeyMan576]

VOTE: CSF

[MonkeyMan576]

mastina did vote town-malcolm by the way so no surprise there.

[MonkeyMan576]

I agree CSF Dunn and tictac are high priority.

[MonkeyMan576]

I could see SoD as either alignment.

[MonkeyMan576]

by my count 11 out of 16 alive players are town.

[MonkeyMan576]

VOTE: Dunnstral

[MonkeyMan576]

I'm pretty sure at some point the odds will catch up with us and town will get night killed but we'll cross that bridge when it comes.

[MonkeyMan576]

Was probably a random shot since there are still a lot of unclaimed players.

[MonkeyMan576]

This is why I was saying it's good not to have too many wagons before.

[MonkeyMan576]

Can lead to non-town kills.

[MonkeyMan576]

MonkeyMan576
Flavor Leaf
SCP 682
Nashville Dreams
Klick
bnuuy
cassowary
Nero Cain
Menalque
Save The Dragons
Sword of Ducks

Cat Scratch Fever
MegAzumarill
tictac
The Keeper
Dunnstral