KTaNE [game over!]

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

1 is not circular logic.

there is literally no reason to nightkill in a group that you are framing with a rigged bomb

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like they are trying to set up a rigged bomb in a group of all town to get 4 chained mislims

there is no reason for them to also nightkill and remove one of their 4 chained mislims.

that's just basic strategy

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

2. You said previously it was his plan to fool you are you also saying his plan was to shoot you after fooling you.

killing me freezes the read and it's possible he decided to shoot me and submitted it in the scum PT before I changed my mind on him.

killing me freezes the read and kind of amplifies it and makes him look even more townie ("why would I shoot pooky after I convinced him I am town!?")

also I can't change my mind after I'm dead

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

3. I’m skeptical your reads would have influenced me much if at all, perhaps others would have been interested in your dead reads. But for the most part. What would have drawn my attention to your reads would have been the fact you died unusually early when it’s rare for you to get nked’d day 1. At least in my experience.

uh I get N1'd a lot

for example:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89071

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=87782

I'm loud, difficult to mislim, and have generally good reads and I'm widely townread.

why would I not be shot at night?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

2. You said previously it was his plan to fool you are you also saying his plan was to shoot you after fooling you.

killing me freezes the read and it's possible he decided to shoot me and submitted it in the scum PT before I changed my mind on him.

killing me freezes the read and kind of amplifies it and makes him look even more townie ("why would I shoot pooky after I convinced him I am town!?")

also I can't change my mind after I'm dead

actually there's another reason

he might not trust that I submitted a real solution to his bomb, he could think that I sneakily submitted like a fake solution to get him to say more and that I'm actually blowing him up.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also like the nightkill makes him coming into the bomb PT N1 with me make a lot of sense actually

cuz if he just nightkills me while I'm scumreading him and doesn't get me to flip my read then it looks really shitty for him on D2 when I flip town and my vote is aimed squarely at him.

He has to do something to flip my read and then nightkill me with my read on him flipped to go deep.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Tonight on Episode 115 of Bear Dressed as a Cow Talking To Himself Alone on Stage:

Why the proper way to eat a salad is always with a chilled fork.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I mean scum literally tried to frame Andante with a rigged bomb so how can she possibly be scum?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like where else would they have used a bomb rigger?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

N1 VPB N1 Catboi[Boom by Frogster]
N2 VPB
N3 Andres[Boom by VPB]
n4 GLion
n5 Titus [Boom by Bell]
d6 Misty executed

It makes very little sense to me to rig an explosive that your team member is part of defusing. It makes much more sense to me that scum decided to not even try to get townread so they could have an all town bomb team to blow up and make us chase our tails for 4 days straight.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I would not defuse any bomb period no matter what because ELO at 4 and ELO at 5 is the same thing and I think its always better to flip more people over to have more information during the day phase.

I guess if GLion was the defuser again then sure let him defuse cuz he's alrdy conftown.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yes we had catboi as an expert and he ended up becoming a defuser and andres became an expert

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Andante, Greeting, Andresvmb, Frogsterking - group 1 bomb experts
catboi - group 1 bomb defuser

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its actually amazing you can spend as much time as you have to reach the wrong conclusion after andante got the right conclusion by barely trying

i will reserve my comments for you in the dead thread.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its actually amazing you can spend as much time as you have to reach the wrong conclusion after andante got the right conclusion by barely trying

i will reserve my comments for you in the dead thread.

The right conclusion regarding just your alignment? Or also her conclusion that Enchant is scum because Bell is also town, which is the opposite of what you've been saying all day

I know my own alignment

I do not know Bell's or Enchant's.

I think it's fairly obvious what I'm talking about since you were talking about killing me.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think pooky didn't get night killed n1 even if he's town here.

there is a missing nightkill

where do you think it is if it's not on me?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if group 1 and group 2 r both all town

how many bombs can the scum team rig?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I know my own alignment

I do not know Bell's or Enchant's.

I think it's fairly obvious what I'm talking about since you were talking about killing me.

my point was that the snark is not really warranted, given that even if you are town and Andante is right about you being town, her conclusion on who is the remaining scum is the exact opposite of yours and so therefore if we were to lim you and then sheep her, we would lose the game in your mind, and if we were to lim you and then sheep you then she didn't have a correct solve either

you only need to identify one town correctly to win

but sure go off champ

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Don't scum have two night kills right now? And they need to use both to clinch winning? What do you mean by 'missing' or what makes you think there's a missing kill?

If there IS a missing kill, I'd say it would be on bell or on a kill performed by bell N2.

[1]

Scum start with 1 NK, got 2 NKs from VPB defusing twice, got 1.5 NKs from Guiltylion+Andante Defusing -> 4.5 NKs.

Scum killed Twice at Night [Greeting, Cephrir] -> 4.5 - 2 = 2.5 NKs.

Which means they have 1 saved NK for winning the game and 1 blocked NK.

The reason why they don't have 2 saved NKs is because if they had 2 NKs they could've just shot someone and blew up guiltylion[LAST NIGHT] and be at 5P ELO TODAY rather than needing to mislim me AND then get another mislim at elo tomm.


(1) scum need 1 saved kill to clinch winning.

you mis lim me -> 6

shoot someone tonight ->5

send a townie to be defuser

if defused -> 1 more NK

if not defused -> 4 players

Tomm game starts with scum either having 1 more NK and 5 players alive or 4 players alive - either way it is ELO.


[2]

It makes very little sense for scum to not shoot on N1 and then shoot on N2 or be blocked on N1 and get blocked on N2 because

the defuser on n1 was a scumbag

It looks very bad for VPB if any nightkill occurs on N2 because the logical source of said NK is because it was earned by him defusing as scum. Thus scum chose to shoot on N3 and did not shoot on N2 to make it look like VPB is a town defuser who earned them a nightkill by defusing twice rather than a scum defusing who earned them 2 NKs. That makes the missing NK happen on Night One.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I also don't wanna go back and highlight my own posts but rereading D3-D4 I remembered the strong scummy vibe I got from Pooky during that period, not touching on critical threads of the game, pushing Dwlee for NAI gotchas, buddying Andante

I do not remember ever seriously pushing Dwlee this game so what are you even talking about.

I don't push people with NAI gotchas, those are more like jokes for fun.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

buddying Andante

here is my iso from another game me/andante finished together[recently]:

viewtopic.php?t=88709&f=2&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go

we are t/t and we win in the end together.

I "buddy" her because she is fun to talk to.

if buddying was actually a scumtell I'd be scum every game.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Okay tbh best argument for Pooky!town is that scum Pooky can't know to not night kill in the hopes GL blows up. This assumes that scum don't have some kind of wire tap role into the hoods, however.

we literally know the last scum is some kind of switcher how would they have a wiretap

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

It makes very little sense for scum to not shoot on N1 and then shoot on N2 or be blocked on N1 and get blocked on N2 because the defuser on n1 was a scumbag

It looks very bad for VPB if any nightkill occurs on N2 because the logical source of said NK is because it was earned by him defusing as scum. Thus scum chose to shoot on N3 and did not shoot on N2 to make it look like VPB is a town defuser who earned them a nightkill by defusing twice rather than a scum defusing who earned them 2 NKs. That makes the missing NK happen on Night One.

Except I think that scum were really trying to lean into the "scum want to mislim VPB!!" narrative, so it actually makes sense for them to shoot N2 and then claim they are being framed

I kind of doubt this type of moonlogic works or that VPB would think it would work.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: Bell

gl don't sheep me tommorrow i don't actually know anything

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Could you vote yourself though. Because like. Nobody else will.
19 hours left.

eliminations are compulsory i will die even at 2 votes

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I hate the feeling of, whoever we lim here, if we miselim them it will still feel brutally difficult tomorrow. Like I said earlier, I have reasons to townread/scumread any of Enchant, Andante, Pooky, Bell. Dwlee and CSF are really the only people I'm convinced I'd bet the game on town

if this is wrong, scum please spare me and send me to the dead thread

it will be difficult tomm because i gave you every oppurtunity to figure out that im town and you more or less refused to talk to me for whatever reason

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like you came up with some really bad reasons that are not rooted in reality for voting me

i addressed them

and you r just like oh we dont even need to talk

like ok sure dude go off

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

literally been here all day willing to talk with any1 no engagement now getting limmed by apathy and a deadline like lol ok fam sure.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

it will be difficult tomm because i gave you every oppurtunity to figure out that im town and you more or less refused to talk to me for whatever reason

eh I mean for me the sticking point is I couldn't buy your Bell case and you didn't offer any other alternatives for scum

at this stage in the game I'm not gonna argue with you whether you are town/scum, I did take your Bell thoughts seriously and if I have conf on your alignment I'll engage with it again

you'll be dead tommorrow

there's one scum

i believe it's bell


i'm not sure how i'm supposed to offer you another alternative

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I do not remember ever seriously pushing Dwlee this game so what are you even talking about.

like this is just not true, one immediate example is how you went hard on how they were scum because they said they'd blow you up if you were a defuse. but you also tried to say they were scum for gloating about scum!Frog on D2 before pointing out they weren't one of the Frog voters on D3, and at the time I flagged that as really disingenuous

that was after mala was voted out and then dwlee started talking about blowing me up in twilight

back then I believed mala was town and dwlee was openwolfing because they would be voted off next anyway so they might as well telegraph blowing me up and then blow me up.

also saying someone is scum if they do ____ is not the same thing as saying someone is scum.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i'm at e-1

if enchant hammers pls kill bell for me tomm thx

or like dont listen to me and think it out yourselves idrc

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like i have issues with losing to Bell!scum who didn't do anything even remotely townie

at least enchant wrote a paragraph at some point that looked like it contained thoughts in it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

actually i guess if you guys vote out enchant tomm its win win

either ill win the game or ill get to say i told you so on Bell

risk mitigation

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

pls kill bell for me tomorrow thank you

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i will take 100% of the responsibility if I am wrong on Bell

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Spoiler: For Bell

Good Luck Buddy.

It's been real.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like if there is anything you all need to know tomm at elo know this.

I have spent a tremendous amount of time thinking about this game and I am fairly sure it is Bell as last scum here.

I could be wrong. But I am not unsure of my conclusion.

Everything he has done is similar to his play in Shakespeare UPick with some added boldness thrown in. There are some elements of play from Enchant that do not make sense for Scum!him to do. Follow through, kill Bell tomm.

If I am wrong I will take all the blame.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

csf pls dont let andante push enchant tomm

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i was town gl

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yeet bell tomm dont listen to him anymore ty

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

blow up whoever comes into bomb pt

yeet bell

gl

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i mean we still can win tomm

just pls vote for bell

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like its not that bad

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

BELIEVE

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I am 100% sure Bell is mafia pls yeet him for me tomm thank you very much

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Aim with your heart - see ya'all on the other side.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Bell's silence after I dead says it all

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

gg Pooky

he is pretending he doesn't know I flip town

pls kill him tomm ty

have a great weekend every1!

remember it is just a game <3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

gg bell

no matter how this ends

it's been real

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

gg thanks for modding Datisi!

had a ton of fun despite all the bullshit I was spewing

Congrats to the town for winning! [esp Mena, Bell, GLion, CSF, Catboi, Dwlee for being amazing]

The massive townblock from d1 being completely puretown was kind of crazy and kinda demoralizing lol.

Thanks to VPB for being the best scum teammate I could've asked for - it was so much fun shooting the shit with you.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

town MVP was unironically FrogsterKing for taking our beautiful plan and taking a huge fucking dump on it

we never recovered

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i knew i forgot some names somewhere

ceph was great too.

overall town did much better than average at towntelling it was so brutal.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

rereading the dead PT I guess it is some small consolation that our disgusting plan to frame an all town bomb PT didn't work because the pitchforks would've been out for poor Dats ahahaha.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ngl lowkey jealous of you having fun winning the worlds easiest avvie bet with best tiger in the spec pt

looks like a lot more fun slogging away in the thread.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the changeling! :O

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

love the new avvie

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I lost a bet to Firebringer

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

is she going to bet them whether they are actually married !? :>