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[JacksonVirgo]

Ego

[JacksonVirgo]

I see scorp is being wagoned from what I see. Worth noting that they always seem to be wagoned in every game I was with them in regardless of alignment

[JacksonVirgo]

Is that based on my previous slot

[JacksonVirgo]

Is that based on my previous slot

If I had to guess. It’s based on you not coming in guns blazing at me..

I’ll be a Dwlee scum read until this game is over..

I’ll wait for their response

[JacksonVirgo]

Is that based on my previous slot

yea and you haven't done much except say something to soft defend scorpious

I literally just replaced in.

VOTE: dwlee

Either scum or ultra wagoned town.

[JacksonVirgo]

No context of the games content but Scorps tone seems genuine and I mindmelded somewhat whrn they responded to my question to dwee

[JacksonVirgo]

Ger/Scorpious/JV?

Spitballin

why this team?

It feels to me as if it’s an agenda and I fit nicely in there. Town wouldn’t put me in there solely based on my content after replacing in.

[JacksonVirgo]

Read their post wrong.

[JacksonVirgo]

:P

[JacksonVirgo]

"is that based on my previous slot"

"yea"

Complete misrep of my position

Read their post wrong.

[JacksonVirgo]

Read. Or can u not?

[JacksonVirgo]

So what's the content of your read on me? Cause the only thing you have cited is the post you admitted to reading wrong

Null currently as the read was based on a misread. Don’t stress too much ;)

Finished work now will catch up in an hour or two when I get home

[JacksonVirgo]

JacksonVirgo replaces FugitiveMoose

Ooh hey Jackson! We finally get to play a game together on this site :cool:

Hiya! Very epic

[JacksonVirgo]

He's probably just a mafia jailkeeper anyway and wants to be able to try to block power roles again tonight

I might be reading too much into this but this sounds like tmi.

If it's TMI then help me bus?

So what's the content of your read on me? Cause the only thing you have cited is the post you admitted to reading wrong

Null currently as the read was based on a misread. Don’t stress too much ;)

Finished work now will catch up in an hour or two when I get home

:nerd:

VOTE: gera

Was your vote on me just to retaliate? Or did I say something that made you reconsider the read (or at the very least feel it's not as much of a priority as gerain)

[JacksonVirgo]

I think gera is a hit

JV can be scum with or without scorpious. JV!scum would actually give me the vibe scorpious could be town because of the white knight angle but that isn't certain

I think scum!roleblocker chance is high, so I think scorpious is scum >rand probably but support low + gera more likely

Anybody can be scum with or without scorpious. Don't know why you wanted to single me out specifically with this. I'm not white knighting unless I have the definition wrong, I am stating clearly that they're very much LHF in terms of their stance in the Town.

Can't add much to the mechanical stuff haven't read the game :p

[JacksonVirgo]

I hate the term LHF. I feel it's just applied to any popular wagon someone doesn't like.

I am using the term as they are always wagoned no matter what alignment they are. Assume I am using the term semantically meaning they're typically wagoned based on their playstyle. This is irregardless of alignment as it happened to them both in scum games and town games I've played with them in. In addition their tone this game is pretty good in my honest opinion so I am more confident that they are Town based solely on recent posts, this might even be doubled down due to possible pressure they'd have.

[JacksonVirgo]

I hate the term LHF. I feel it's just applied to any popular wagon someone doesn't like.

I am using the term as they are always wagoned no matter what alignment they are. Assume I am using the term semantically meaning they're typically wagoned based on their playstyle. This is irregardless of alignment as it happened to them both in scum games and town games I've played with them in. In addition their tone this game is pretty good in my honest opinion so I am more confident that they are Town based solely on recent posts, this might even be doubled down due to possible pressure they'd have.

I am also not using this a reason to not vote them. I was simply bringing up the fact to make it known to people in case they want to take a moment to reconsider their reads after knowing this. Although I do town-lean them personally.

[JacksonVirgo]

Woot! A hood buddy who might be active!

And how has this enhanced the game for you?

It will enhance the game because active hood means more discussion of reads. That's why the role exists. :roll:

Is the eye roll necessary? People wonder why I get annoyed. Can we not answer each other without some sort of snark?

Alright. I could hear the snark in your post. You don't snark at me and I won't snark at you. I'd get annoyed if I had me locked onto you as scum.

Can I snark too? :roll:

[JacksonVirgo]

Snarking is quite fun.

[JacksonVirgo]

I hate the term LHF. I feel it's just applied to any popular wagon someone doesn't like.

I am using the term as they are always wagoned no matter what alignment they are. Assume I am using the term semantically meaning they're typically wagoned based on their playstyle. This is irregardless of alignment as it happened to them both in scum games and town games I've played with them in. In addition their tone this game is pretty good in my honest opinion so I am more confident that they are Town based solely on recent posts, this might even be doubled down due to possible pressure they'd have.

Strongly disagree. Scorpious acts like scum caught. He whines about me pushing exclusively him while falling in and out of perspectives. You can read some of his posts and they imply a town read. Others he's vocal about me being scum. He can't be consistent. I don't have to solve the game. I just need to get one.

I am not saying that any logic against is wrong because of it.

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm at work and will expound later but this post is red flagging me hard regardless of Scorpious' alignment.

Scorpious has come off as such a wide-scale fraud this game that I have exactly one argument in my head for him being town.

This is a cheap and incorrect defense of the vote leader.

The cheapness probably comes to me having no information about context. However, incorrect? By what means do you have the right to tell me my reads or the way I form them are incorrect. Last time I knew they weren't red-checked and therefore you have no clue whether it's incorrect or not.

[JacksonVirgo]

Regardless, nothing I have said is to defend Scorpious. I've stated that they are often wagoned due to their playstyle to notify those who might not already know, I also stated my tonal read on them. In what way is this defending, and in what way is it incorrect.

If they flip Town, is what you're doing a red-flag because it's an incorrect read on them? What a load of rubbish.

[JacksonVirgo]

I read Jackson's posts and I'm still a bit confused. I'll try later.

What part are you confused about? I'll attempt to clarify, I'm quite tired busy day at work + running on 2 hours sleep.

[JacksonVirgo]

I read Jackson's posts and I'm still a bit confused. I'll try later.

What part are you confused about? I'll attempt to clarify, I'm quite tired busy day at work + running on 2 hours sleep.

I'm exhausted too. Could be fatigue on both our parts but I got confused by everything.

Everything is quite difficult to clarify ahaha.

Brief statement of what I've said so far.

1. Wanted to notify people the state of scorpious's easy-to-wagon nature in case it wasn't said earlier.
2. I felt Dwlee was scum that put me in their solution due to not being hard-wagoned on their scum-read (which would be scummy), them also stating that all I've ever done was white-knight scorp I felt was disingenuous and/or unfair to say as I was not doing that in addition to only just replacing in (well to me I've been busy since I was put in here so I haven't had time). I've recently retracted this read as it was formed on a misread as they said it was a ready that was prior to my slot. Although the me not doing anything by WK I feel is still a bit faulty of a read.
3. I town-lean Scorp because when I asked Dwlee that question they responded in a way that I was thinking myself, and wanted to ask to clarify with Dwlee.


That's all iirc. Anything that confuses you still?

[JacksonVirgo]

JacksonVirgo replaces FugitiveMoose

Ooh hey Jackson! We finally get to play a game together on this site :cool:

Hiya! Very epic

Is that based on my previous slot

If I had to guess. It’s based on you not coming in guns blazing at me..

I’ll be a Dwlee scum read until this game is over..

I’ll wait for their response

This specific post in particular is what I am referring to, or at least the one I quoted if you wanna be anal about it. Literally what I was asking dwlee to confirm for me, although misguided it was exactly my thought process so it reads to me as genuine thought-processes. This is again all coming purely from contexts I've gathered post-replacing in.

[JacksonVirgo]

Ignore the quotes of me and meuh.

[JacksonVirgo]

Actually, their views on LHF earlier pings me as trying to shut down the counter-argument in a way that was flawed by "attacking" the definition of the word I used.
VOTE: Titus

[JacksonVirgo]

I really feel Titus is town She’s so much better at this game than she is showing, but when she does grace us with her presence, it’s “let’s kill scorp”..

It’s just so beneath her. I’m town, I’ll have no issue claiming if it comes to it. And yes I am a PR , and the focus needs to be elsewhere..


Ger could actually being scum this game. “Prod me then I’ll do stuff..” wtf is that?

Cool Scorpious + Titus. Excuse me I think there’s a fire over here. Like damn.

Anyone wanna convince me otherwise?

Against Scorp.

[JacksonVirgo]

Why?

Mindmelded with them. To this day never has happened with a scum. Although this is a personal read, nothing I can portray outwardly and it's also with no context about the game outside of since i've repped in.

[JacksonVirgo]

Wait, it has happened with scum.

[JacksonVirgo]

Forgot HEM was scum in the previous game.

[JacksonVirgo]

She’s called/implied the hood as a masonry as well despite in a 13 player game that’s sus as hell, so if she’s scum I think that *might* clear JV and Italiano.

I'd like to add that the speak in the hood has me confident that it's Titus if any, and I am assuming there is at least one. I'd be willing to chain-elim me followed by them if that's required but I don't think it would be.

[JacksonVirgo]

JV is one of my "this slot isn't really pingy, but has done nothing in particular that proves them to be town" impressions. I'm kind of meh about the hood bc I'd rather look for scum in actual scumplays than ponder about the statistics of randomly assigned roles.

It's a 4 person hood. There's scum in it

[JacksonVirgo]

Picking 1 out of 4 vs 1 out of 11.

Take your pick.

[JacksonVirgo]

Or 3 out of 11 if it's a 3p scum team.
36% chance at random.

1/4
25% chance at random.

Is my math wrong here this seems wrong :p

[JacksonVirgo]

No that's not right.

[JacksonVirgo]

27% is it. My brain broke

[JacksonVirgo]

Picking 1 out of 4 vs 1 out of 11.

Take your pick.

Sure it's 1/4? 0/4? 2/4? Does everyone get instatown'd if you hit one in there? Does it turn into 1/3 if you hit a townie?

It isn't 0/4 scum in the hood. It's at least one. I have to read context of the game to gauge the instatown'd but I'd say not conf-town by any means. It would indeed turn 1/3 if we hit a green.

[JacksonVirgo]

Scum would be throwing their utility away with that claim.

The amount of pain I feel when scum throw their utility away for an easy claim. It happens too many times in my Discord mafia server, not sure if this applies here as well (aka if it's a human brain thing). I don't think this particular read is reliable

[JacksonVirgo]

Continuing on its 7/10 * 6/9 * 5/8 * 4/7 = approx 16.666%

16% for picking 4 people and they all end up Town. What relevance is this particularly, I fail to see what you're trying to portray.

[JacksonVirgo]

Continuing on its 7/10 * 6/9 * 5/8 * 4/7 = approx 16.666%

16% for picking 4 people and they all end up Town. What relevance is this particularly, I fail to see what you're trying to portray.

If you follow the prior conversation I found it suspicious Carca wasn’t pushing in the hood. The odds are overwhelming that there is at least one scum in the hood. I could be wrong about Titus specifically (I doubt it) but Carca not wanting to poke in the hood feels fishy. The previously presented math was flawed and annoyed me so I corrected it.

Oh I see. My bad, I am incredibly tired :p

[JacksonVirgo]

It’s more than 80% likely the scum has at least a scum in it.

Yes. It's definitely higher than 80% that scum has scum in it. I'd say it's 100%

[JacksonVirgo]

My hunting is independent of hood status.

Why

[JacksonVirgo]

My hunting is independent of hood status.

Why

I don't setup spec or outguess the mod. It leads to wins like my bad babysitter claim we did together.

We didn't particularly win because of that claim. Nor do I see how this applies to that babysitter claim at all.

[JacksonVirgo]

Scorp has claimed their exact role as scum before. Albeit it was a mailman but still, worth noting.

[JacksonVirgo]

Correct. If I was a PR that could investigate Scorpious (I am in a hood this is purely a hypothetical) I would check where I could verify. Considering no one says Scorpious is town I would bet someone (read not me) has an inno and the wagon is scum driven.

And tell it to the people who scumread Gamma. I see nothing meriting a scumread. The one claim the hammer has been debunked. Move on.

I don't understand how you derive someone having an inno from no one saying scorptown. I'd expect the opposite.

Noone is saying scorp is town?

[JacksonVirgo]

Correct. If I was a PR that could investigate Scorpious (I am in a hood this is purely a hypothetical) I would check where I could verify. Considering no one says Scorpious is town I would bet someone (read not me) has an inno and the wagon is scum driven.

And tell it to the people who scumread Gamma. I see nothing meriting a scumread. The one claim the hammer has been debunked. Move on.

I don't understand how you derive someone having an inno from no one saying scorptown. I'd expect the opposite.

Noone is saying scorp is town?

I am. I am getting an inno on scorp from no one saying there’s a guilty.

I am too. I was making a point

[JacksonVirgo]

If most people are for a wagon without a mechanical guilty, it's probably Town.

[JacksonVirgo]

Didn't read context :p

[JacksonVirgo]

Spoiler:

VOTE: Scorpious
Scum

Excellent deduction..

VOTE: Scorpious

Total scum.

VOTE: Scorpious
Scum

Excellent deduction..

VOTE: Scorpious

Total scum.

VOTE: scorpius

Very interesting you’d put someone at 4 votes so early. RVS or not..

UNVOTE:

I wish I actually got anything about your alignment from this little stint

Eh, it’s page 1.

You’ll find me for real scummy for

something

soon enough.

VOTE: gamma emerald

long time no see to you!

scorpius instawagon is funny

Not really.. lol

VOTE: Uncle Vanya

Nice..

Love the creativity..

@Scorpious, any thoughts on how your quick wagon developed? I just wanted to see if any of them gave you a certain vibe.

It didn’t hurt that I self voted. Far be it from me to say if any of those would have stuck. I get zero vibes either way.

@meuh

So...I have a way if random voting in every single game I play. Scorpious wanted me to break that pattern because they didn't want to go to 4 votes so quickly, but I ain't breaking my method for them. You can call it shutting down the conversation, but my last game had scorpious in it and they know elegantly what I was going to do

You seem overly worried about how you look.

VOTE: Meuh

Get plays like this all the time. Hard to find it AI, especially so early.. He has… quirks..

Hard to say, but not many.. maybe 3 or 4… but there is always some sort of stipulation to his play. He mailed in day 1 last game and was open and honest about it.

This was my response I somehow imbedded..

Sorry again

The worst of the votes on you is the guy MM just voted, interestingly enough.

Vanya's vote looks worse to me; sure it's earlier but it actually has some merit as an attempt to push the wagon forward
geraintm's isolated vote that doesn't seem to be made as such an attempt looks better to me.
though I think geraintm is scummier than Vanya?
I think the vote post itself looks worse for Vanya but further posts from geraintm muddies their alignment :eek:

How is mine even bad. Self-voting is always anti-town.

Talking in absolutes about joke votes?

New players tend to see things as very black and white like above.. But Vanya specifically said he's an alt.

Is playing on an alt common practice here?

Just look in the forum. I think there is a spot that you must declare who your main is.

I’m always too lazy, or don’t care enough.

And yes.. it’s super common. I’m not a fan.

Why does it bother you so much?

its like hearing a faint alarm bell but not knowing where tf its coming from. I mean, yeah im probably overreacting. maybe projecting cuz scum me would hop in on an comfy echo chamber like this in an instant. idk man.

Knowing where the alarm bells are coming from are only half the fun of psychosis.

I don’t have the patience today, I have a Sunday to enjoy go push someone else Titus( and stop acting like you aren’t considered an extremely good player… “mama bear”

I’m an even night JK
(First letter of every post)

Had to dive into the ISO to see the exact claim.
I do not believe this conflicts with your claim at all.

[JacksonVirgo]

Two protectives is real? Bullshit. Show me where it has happened.

Fucked if I know if it's happened before. I don't play that often.

But as you can't have them on each other, one is gated. It's not a set counterclaim in and of itself.

[JacksonVirgo]

Also if you were so sure that its a full town neighbourhood. Why not claim in there

[JacksonVirgo]

Anyone got a read on Meuh?

[JacksonVirgo]

Also if you were so sure that its a full town neighbourhood. Why not claim in there

[JacksonVirgo]

I think Meuh is mafia.

[JacksonVirgo]

I think Meuh is mafia.

Fair. Too quiet. Avoided my claim.

How illegal is it to say angleshooty or out of game reasons to think someone is scum.

:p

[JacksonVirgo]

Also if you were so sure that its a full town neighbourhood. Why not claim in there

I wasn't. My position was to treat the hood as town and I developed weak reads individually.

But still, why not start there?

[JacksonVirgo]

I think the hood is my townblock.

[JacksonVirgo]

Why does a Gunsmith claim make a JK more likely than a Doctor?

Though this reminds me... I asked this before and didn't really get an answer: How common are scum RBs here? I've had one in like 95% of the games I've played.

Fake guilty to nerf town power and fake inno to swing for scum

Titus knew she died without it and wanted Scorpious dead
I knew I likely don’t get off another check
She decided to out to get utility.

JK isn't a guilty to GS?

[JacksonVirgo]

Why does a Gunsmith claim make a JK more likely than a Doctor?

Though this reminds me... I asked this before and didn't really get an answer: How common are scum RBs here? I've had one in like 95% of the games I've played.

Fake guilty to nerf town power and fake inno to swing for scum

Titus knew she died without it and wanted Scorpious dead
I knew I likely don’t get off another check
She decided to out to get utility.

JK isn't a guilty to GS?

All scum have guns
All JKs have guns
Gunsmith says guns
Ergo fake guilty this was from our last game JV

JKs are not a guilty to a gunsmith.

[JacksonVirgo]

[JacksonVirgo]

Why does a Gunsmith claim make a JK more likely than a Doctor?

Though this reminds me... I asked this before and didn't really get an answer: How common are scum RBs here? I've had one in like 95% of the games I've played.

Fake guilty to nerf town power and fake inno to swing for scum

Titus knew she died without it and wanted Scorpious dead
I knew I likely don’t get off another check
She decided to out to get utility.

The only town roles I know of that scans guilty to gunsmith are cop and vig. Cop won't be in a game of 13 with Gunsmith and someone mentioned long ago that this host hates vigs and doesn't use them. Godfather-type roles are common, but not sure what would exist to give you a false positive specifically.

I can probably count on one hand how many gunsmiths I've seen in all my time playing, though. I'm not exactly the best place for Gunsmith meta.

Recent closed mini normal had an UNGATED Cop. And a gated Tracker. I wouldn't be so sure.

[JacksonVirgo]

Jail keepers have guns. It’s been a long standing rule

The wiki is out of date

The wiki requires updating then. It's like the go to place for normal rules outside of directly asking a moderator which is slow at best.

[JacksonVirgo]

Titus on Math. Math on remaining hood.
Elim titus.

Masonry. Aww yeah boi

[JacksonVirgo]

Jail keepers have guns. It’s been a long standing rule

The wiki is out of date

The wiki requires updating then. It's like the go to place for normal rules outside of directly asking a moderator which is slow at best.

Either the wiki needs updating or I am out of the loop where JKs don’t have guns anymore. But they did earlier. Hence my tr on Scorpious.

I really think Titus is scum here.

I think Titus is scum as well. Them being doc fits your claim, although why would scum claim Doc when that would likely mean that they had a GS to begin with. Unless it's a complete fake claim that ended up being the worst one to pick, which would be funny.

[JacksonVirgo]

inb4 Mathblade/Titus S/S :lol:

Doubtful. They got kinda heated... to say the least in the hood.

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Meuh

Feeling this. Titus can be the exact reason why Math can get a free check regardless of what alignment they are. Probably

[JacksonVirgo]

We can force the JK on someone specific as well. Or a pool of people.

[JacksonVirgo]

Math not bringing that the doc can be on them either means that Math isn't scum or they both are.

[JacksonVirgo]

Meuh also brought up S/S to discredit Math here. Or at least that's how I am reading it.

[JacksonVirgo]

Math not bringing that the doc can be on them either means that Math isn't scum or they both are.

This makes no sense.

I don’t trust Titus. The last thing I want is her being responsible for my protection.

I have pretty much accepted I won’t get another check and will die.

If Titus is town and two protectives exist, then a strongman exists and I die.
If Titus or Scorpio is scum but not the other then I still die.

It’s a I die scenario and I think Titus is scum.

It does, you're tunnel-visioned.

If Titus is scum, you dead means that they're next. Strongman doesn't exist even both are real as there would be no purpose for it. There's a path to get all PRs dead. JK -> Doc -> GS. JK on Doc means GS is open to get murdered. There's no specific reason for Strongman to exist.

If Titus is scum. You won't die without them dying next, and they can't risk that. Eliminating real doc is not worth possible fake doc living to get another GS check of which we can always elim anyway. Them getting roleblocked means that the JK is likely fake and we lim there (not a set ruling, take each day as it comes).

Eliminating a PR claim here removes possibilities. Also bias can overwhelm and make us have stupid decisions so I'd recommend not doing that for today.

JK off of Titus. Titus on Math. Math wherever they so wish.

[JacksonVirgo]

If Titus does not land their action

at all

we can eliminate them. This avoids scum doing fancy plays, and even if scum isn't Titus. What's the harm over eliminating them here today. We possibly gain more than we lose.

[JacksonVirgo]

Gamma should be protected as Inno by Scorpious since I doubt they are a PR or hero shot.

Do not block me in case I get a result.

Titus (if not the elim as I think they should be) should be on me. (I think she should be the elim) JV is right in that regard.

Then this way if I die then a scum in Scorpious/Titus is proven to exist and go to town after I die

If I don’t then I get a check which may or may not be on Meuh or my original pool.

Since one doc claim out I am essentially a cop

JK on Gamma I am definitely okay with.
Titus on anybody other than Math here is a scum claim.
Math should be on who they want to be on, we should not discuss this at all. They're smart enough to make their own choice.

We eliminate outside of that group. I say Meuh

[JacksonVirgo]

It’s Titus.

She’s the ultimate scum.

I do not trust her.

Indeed. I am fine with eliminating them as soon as you die, or if they claim blocked etc. Forces them to be unable to wiggle out of keeping you alive by ANY means. If that allows scum to easily eliminate them, so what. They'd be dead today without this set up, there is no real harm in it.

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Carca

Fine. I still disagree on no harm but I am that paranoid of her.

I mean that in comparison with eliminating them today.

The benefits of this outweigh the harms of eliminating Town PR today.

[JacksonVirgo]

I’m curious on what this is

If you remind me post-game I'll let you know.

[JacksonVirgo]

If we don’t do her I want Carca or Dwlee.

Meuh was a widely townread player who can be checked or sorted later

Titus shaded Meuh pretty quickly for her response to the doctor claim.

Something I did manage to catch.

Quote it plz

[JacksonVirgo]

Keep note. Scum will likely be quick to jump onto a Town if Titus is scum.

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Carcalilly
I wanna test a component of math's solve this day phase
I'm fairly sure he's town regardless tbc

Thank you. I really think there’s scum in the hood and Titus is probably it. In some weird world it’s not her it’s JV + strongman. I just can’t shake Titus scum here. That push on Scorpious was so bad.

Feel free to check me if wanna remove that possibility :p

[JacksonVirgo]

I think Meuh is mafia.

Fair. Too quiet. Avoided my claim.

It's her very last post. It egged JV towards that Meuh vote.

Interesting. I don't think this is shade per se for the sake of making them look bad.

I feel they're a mighty possibly pair.

[JacksonVirgo]

I think Meuh is mafia.

Fair. Too quiet. Avoided my claim.

It's her very last post. It egged JV towards that Meuh vote.

Oh it's possible, but I feel like refusing to vote Titus based on her claim by voting on the person she nudged you to vote probably isn't the best play.

I wouldn't say she nudged me towards it, if scum outright protected their partner after someone said they believed they were scum it would look bad. Which would make sense for how they were kinda passive about "agreeing"

[JacksonVirgo]

2 days.

[JacksonVirgo]

Just over 48 hours. :p

[JacksonVirgo]

Jesus christ. Nah.

VOTE: Scorpious

I believe Titus more than Scorp.

VOTE: Carc

[JacksonVirgo]

:)

[JacksonVirgo]

Wait no.
VOTE: Meuh

I think that scum woulda discussed it, and I doubt scum would ask to full ass defend a buddy here with this much conviction.

[JacksonVirgo]

Math did you see my post about their vote there? Do you disagree with that?

[JacksonVirgo]

Math is absolutely right by the way. As much as I personally hate letting situations like this go relatively unresolved, it's only day 2 and we should not be killing either of them.

Math is right??? I was the one that had to convince them.

[JacksonVirgo]

Jesus christ. Nah.

VOTE: Scorpious

I believe Titus more than Scorp.

VOTE: Carc

Wait no.
VOTE: Meuh

I think that scum woulda discussed it, and I doubt scum would ask to full ass defend a buddy here with this much conviction.

I think carca's vote was bad regardless of titus' alignment

No I agree it's bad. But this makes me think Titus and Carc are not both scum.

[JacksonVirgo]

And I believe scum to be in the hood. I know I am not. Math/Italiano both seem good so that leads to me obviously believing that Titus is bad and thus carc doesn't seem like they are.

[JacksonVirgo]

I didn't tell that to quote a post.

Huh.

You on mobile? Happens to me all the time on mobile :p

[JacksonVirgo]

Gerain should be the lim in my humble opinion and I'm unsure why they've been let off the hook

Whoever doesn't kiss Math's ass is scum, didn't you hear?

JV didn’t kiss my ass and I townread him.

Titus calm down please an analyze the gamestate.

Who do you think is scum (besides or excluding Scorpious)?

JV because you are wrong. He immediately followed all of your wrong reads.

I didn't follow any read that I didn't have reason to follow. I also disagreed many times with their conclusions, such as with Carc. What are you getting at

[JacksonVirgo]

Gerain should be the lim in my humble opinion and I'm unsure why they've been let off the hook

Whoever doesn't kiss Math's ass is scum, didn't you hear?

JV didn’t kiss my ass and I townread him.

Titus calm down please an analyze the gamestate.

Who do you think is scum (besides or excluding Scorpious)?

JV because you are wrong. He immediately followed all of your wrong reads.

Now we are getting somewhere.

Which of my reads did JV follow me on that you feel are wrong?

Scorpious Carc Dwlee

I made the Scorp read on my own.
I disagree with their Carc read.
I also disagree with Dwlee I believe them to be null-town.

[JacksonVirgo]

Also Scorp read for different reasons.

[JacksonVirgo]

Titus are you merging me and Maths reads? Because I fail to see how our reads align as if I am kissing their ass.

[JacksonVirgo]

What did mathblade's claim have to do with scorpious at all? And I really don't think jailkeeper has gun to gunsmith but I'm gonna double check

Math claims JK has a gun. I disagree, and so does the wiki. They also claim the wiki is outdated

[JacksonVirgo]

Titus are you merging me and Maths reads? Because I fail to see how our reads align as if I am kissing their ass.

Answer please

@Titus

[JacksonVirgo]

does anyone have a meta analysis on how JV plays scum/town? I think he might be a decent elimination but I want to be sure about it

....What's a Traffic Analyst, for the record?

I believe it's someone who gets a positive result if their targets communicates outside of the main chat.

Such as mailman, or neighbourhoods, or mafia chat. But not restricted just to night chats (as mailman is a positive result)

[JacksonVirgo]

I was gonna make a joke about the meta analysis on me but chose against it.

[JacksonVirgo]

....What's a Traffic Analyst, for the record?

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ic_Analyst

...Isn't that just the PT cop people were talking about earlier?

PT cop is just night chats. Neighbours/Mason/Mafia

[JacksonVirgo]

....What's a Traffic Analyst, for the record?

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ic_Analyst

...Isn't that just the PT cop people were talking about earlier?

PT cop is just night chats. Neighbours/Mason/Mafia

For example Mailman sends messages to people outside of a PT so it's a positive for TA but negative for PT cop. It's only a small difference but yeah

[JacksonVirgo]

Wait what does the combined part do math

Nothing. I think they just mean they're both.

[JacksonVirgo]

Can it be that simple? 2 of my sr’s are on me.. carc just wants to be a cool kid.

"If it seems too good to be true, it probably is."

[JacksonVirgo]

If Scorpious ever attempted to vote scum maybe I could see him being town

How about you don't shade them.

[JacksonVirgo]

Of Dwlee and Titus , Titus is a more dangerous and influential scum. But you’re the only one I’m really trusting.
And by virtue of that Gamma is good with me too.

VOTE: Dwlee

Math. You’re blocced for me. gamma tonight?

Pedit- I was going to vote Titus

Can it be that simple? 2 of my sr’s are on me.. carc just wants to be a cool kid.

"If it seems too good to be true, it probably is."

By the same logic I am questioning my own reads.

[JacksonVirgo]

Scorpious > Gera >> JV > anyone else for want to lim

I should only be an elim if you think me and titus are both scum together and I wanted to let the GS get a free check.

[JacksonVirgo]

Scorpious > Gera >> JV > anyone else for want to lim

I should only be an elim if you think me and titus are both scum together and I wanted to let the GS get a free check.

I do not follow

What are you not following.

I cannot be scum without Titus being scum as well, as why else would I forcefully break off an elim on a Town PR.
Titus is being gun wagoned by MathBlade, why would I devise a plan to essentially force us to keep MathBlade, the Gunsmith alive.

[JacksonVirgo]

I do not follow how you're the sole difference between Titus dying and living

Because I am the person who pushed hard to stop the Titus elimination. Although most put that up to Maths logic, which it isn't.

[JacksonVirgo]

I do not follow how you're the sole difference between Titus dying and living

Because I am the person who pushed hard to stop the Titus elimination. Although most put that up to Maths logic, which it isn't.

I never said I was the sole difference between their death/living. I am saying that if I didn't do what I did it was very likely Titus would be flipped today.

[JacksonVirgo]

So I am either scum with Titus or not at all. In addition to that you'd have to assume I wanted to keep the GS alive to have free checks as scum which is questionable. It isn't scum!me + strongman without Titus as why would I have done what I did what I did to stop the Titus elim.

Eliminating me before eliminating/clearing Titus is both a foolish and waste of a move.

Okay then I can't be scum without Titus scum either

How so

[JacksonVirgo]

Because I've been the person most against eliminating Titus

That doesn't entirely match with what I've done. I was pushing them, and when it was almost certain I backed out because of mechanical benefit. If they weren't scum why would I do that. You not pushing someone doesn't equate fully to that.

[JacksonVirgo]

Hood is math titus italiano and myself

[JacksonVirgo]

Combined two shot gunsmith with an inno on Gamma.

I am a combined doctor and neighbor.


.

I’m an even night JK

Hood -
math
titus
italiano
jacksonvirgo

You missed my claim

[JacksonVirgo]

Meuh felt very much like sidelining scum which is why I might check them I might not

We could elim them :p

[JacksonVirgo]

Does math really think that all 3 scum are the most wanting Scorpious? Like Me/Titus/Carca just all thought it was a genius idea to pile on to the same wagon?

Yeah I think they're heavy tunnel visioning.

[JacksonVirgo]

Well I take that back

[JacksonVirgo]

They aren't tunnel visioned by my definition as they're willing to move, or at least they claim so. I think that their ego has taken hold and they mainly want to test if they were right, whether that's masked in the subconscious I have no clue.

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm latching on my illegal read. I really think it means something but again this is meaningless given my stance in the town

[JacksonVirgo]

Titus if you're wrong on one of Carc/Dwlee does that affect your read on the other?

[JacksonVirgo]

Whoops that was meant for Math

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Meuh

I'm already voting here but this is to make my official stance where I would like to go.

[JacksonVirgo]

Math if you're wrong on one of Carc/Dwlee does that affect your read on the other?

Possibly. It depends on which world we’re in. If I am alive tomorrow then I worry about it.

If not it’s in Gamma’s hands.

I'd recommend you use mechanical reasoning to back up this read. It

far-fetched

in my opinion that your solve is the obvious one. I am not okay with following your proposed solve, I do appreciate that you'd consolidate though.

This is the last I am talking, I will not respond to anything quoting this.

[JacksonVirgo]

Combined two shot gunsmith with an inno on Gamma.

I am a combined doctor and neighbor.


.

I’m an even night JK

Hood -
math
titus
italiano
jacksonvirgo

You missed my claim

What was it?

A comedian

[JacksonVirgo]

Combined two shot gunsmith with an inno on Gamma.

I am a combined doctor and neighbor.


.

I’m an even night JK

Hood -
math
titus
italiano
jacksonvirgo

You missed my claim

What was it?

A comedian

This doesn't sound like a real claim?

It was a long winded joke. I waitied so long for my punchline and u say this

[JacksonVirgo]

...That was supposed to be funny?

I'm already dead. Stop my heart can't take it :(

[JacksonVirgo]

Hi been busy dont prod

[JacksonVirgo]

Carc towntold dont wagon then. Content to avoid prod finish work in 4 hours

[JacksonVirgo]

Meuh hard to get votes. Must be correct :p

[JacksonVirgo]

Actually angwy :(

[JacksonVirgo]

This flips green

[JacksonVirgo]

Actually angwy :(

I'm kinda uncomfortable.

Why?

[JacksonVirgo]

If it were the w it was me fat fingering my phlne keyboard I am quite bad at mobile typing

[JacksonVirgo]

I assume that quote on me was accidental

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh it wasn’t i see

[JacksonVirgo]

Kinda over arguing math over their tunnel visions

[JacksonVirgo]

You being gunsmith doesn't make scorious town mathblade

It does. Especially with Titus doctor claim.

Titus expected to ride that to the bank then got mad when she got called out. Ever since then she hasn’t given a single viable read on anyone. For a hyperposter like her that’s sus.

Titus claiming doctor increases Scorpious' odds of being scum

If they are real.

[JacksonVirgo]

You being gunsmith doesn't make scorious town mathblade

It does. Especially with Titus doctor claim.

Titus expected to ride that to the bank then got mad when she got called out. Ever since then she hasn’t given a single viable read on anyone. For a hyperposter like her that’s sus.

Titus claiming doctor increases Scorpious' odds of being scum

If they are real.

I was already townreading Titus and counterclaiming was completely unnecessary from scum her POV. Why does Titus claim doctor as scum here?

Ive been questioning the same thing.

[JacksonVirgo]

Red sorry

??

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh alr my bad

[JacksonVirgo]

Get Meuh tomorrow

[JacksonVirgo]

I think they’re smarter than to scumread me off of an NAI out of site factor
Which also gives equity with gerain
Tbh I don’t think Carcalilly flips scum here, it’s probably JV/gerain with Titus or Scorpious

Lmfao trying to make it look good for a green flip?

What basis do you have to know what reads In should have. I’ve made my stance

[JacksonVirgo]

Who is this guy?

This can also be said during drunken sex or aimlessly walking into a funeral.

Fuck I didn’t see the “or”

[JacksonVirgo]

I do. Wholeheartedly. I’ll record myself putting a sock in my mouth post game if they flip red

[JacksonVirgo]

Things you can say during sex AND a funeral.. go!

Do you want a tissue?

[JacksonVirgo]

Pagetop

[JacksonVirgo]

I want Meuh dead but Titus is obvscum for this. Neighbourhood chat they were anti-spewing.

VOTE: Titus

[JacksonVirgo]

sigh

.
I'm not a he

[JacksonVirgo]

I want Meuh dead but Titus is obvscum for this. Neighbourhood chat they were anti-spewing.

VOTE: Titus

I'd rather kill her on day 4. Killing her today just gets Scorpious shot tonight.

If Scorpious gets shot tonight anyway we basically have Titus virtually scumconfirmed for day 4 anyway.

Scorp is likely shot tonight anyway.

[JacksonVirgo]

Titus/Meuh/Carca is the solve.

[JacksonVirgo]

So you think it's Carca/Meuh/Who?

Honestly I'm inclined to trust MathBlade on Scorpious

I think Carca following you twice makes you look better even though I tend to disagree with everything you say.

I think JV is right about Meuh

Carca/Meuh/Titus or Carca/JV/Titus are both teams that makes a strong amount of sense given how yesterday played out.

Meuh is decisively more likely to be scum with Scorpious, though - She used her Ger vote to almost completely ignore Scorpious/Titus.

If people are using the meta to say one of those two is almost certainly scum, Meuh is the #1 candidate for a player that could feasibly be scum with both of them.

If scum is in the neighbourhood. It's only in Titus and myself. Since it cannot be me without Titus, Titus is the elim for today. Math died so there's definite scum in Titus/Scorp. Titus was literally almost dead silent in the hood after a red flip which is against what a Town would do (except me I was quite upset about that flip which is kinda stupid since it's red but eh, more of a pride thing).

Titus is very very likely to just be the scum, if not certain.

[JacksonVirgo]

I would prefer Meuh but that's ONLY because of pride. Titus is the obvious elim for today

[JacksonVirgo]

Since it cannot be me without Titus

Why is this?

Because I pushed off of their wagon after jumping onto it. If I was scum with them as town that wouldn't make sense. If we both were it would, so that's the only way.

[JacksonVirgo]

Since it cannot be me without Titus

Why is this?

Because I pushed off of their wagon after jumping onto it. If I was scum with them as town that wouldn't make sense. If we both were it would, so that's the only way.

Ultimately this is just WIFOM though.

Though I don't think you were really going to get votes today anyway so...

You think I'd wifom out of an easy doctor elim? Bruh

[JacksonVirgo]

Also Italiano can confirm if she's been super duper quiet in Hood chat considering it originally sounded like she was the only one talking. It really does inflect badly on her.

Titus was Hood with 3 inactives who got replaced by 3 of the most active players in the game. You'd think that should make her more active there.

That's pretty funny to think about.

[JacksonVirgo]

Moose eventually turning into JV, of course.

Downgrade if you ask me :p

[JacksonVirgo]

Honestly my biggest worry about rushing Titus votes is stagnating the game though. I've seen 48 hour day games get totally stagnated by days that have set votes right at the start and this day lasts a week.

I mean we can speed-hammer, which is usually bad practice, but since the hood exists we can discuss actual stuff without fear of scum existing within. Or at least I can

[JacksonVirgo]

I’m pretty sure Italiano is town here
Me + Crescent + Scorpious + Italiano = 4/9 players lock town
Problem is everyone else I don’t really have much of a town vibe on at all rn

Titus almost confscum. That's 4 players remaining in the PoE including myself. One scum remaining with 7 players going into tomorrow.

6v1 -> Lim + Kill
4v1 -> Lim + Kill
2v1 -> LyLo

We have two free eliminations assuming Titus is scum and flips today. That's 3/4 of the PoE cleared. We can force the JK on somebody, that person will be psuedo-confirmed outside of a possible strong-man but that will open Gamma up to die.

[JacksonVirgo]

Gamma do you want to be left alive, or as a sacrificial lamb. Considering the JK would be the optimal kill anyway so you might not even get touched.

[JacksonVirgo]

If JK doesn't die after Titus dies. We can go through normal.

Elim A + Jail X
Elim B + Jail Y

That clears the entire PoE leaving the JK alone to eliminate them.

It's a win/win even if scum did a gambit with scorp/titus.

[JacksonVirgo]

I have no issues being in the PoE. As I said, Scorp targeting someone that they say they will clears that very person or incriminates them. I don't believe a strongman exists but keep that in mind. I mean I know the pool scum is in, we can just triple elim there but I can't really say that considering I am in the PoE myself.

We'll see how it goes.

[JacksonVirgo]

I do. Wholeheartedly. I’ll record myself putting a sock in my mouth post game if they flip red

Oh

[JacksonVirgo]

My ability to meta games here is completely out of whack because they go too far against my norm.

The game I hosted had 3 scum in 12 with one vanilla, two superpowered scum (either one could effectively use an unblockable extra kill), a gimped as hell doctor, and a town power role that had tons of backfire potential (and targeted someone it had a bad interaction with), with two millers... And scum spent a lot of the game complaining about being underpowered anyway.

I'd consider scum hellishly underpowered if they didn't have a strongman or roleblocker here, personally.

I created an interesting role during that game. It was a town role that effectively kidnapped and interrogated it's target for up to 24 hours, in a separate chat space, and could choose to either kill said targeted player or to let them return to the game. It was a perfect fit thematically, somehow.

The PRs we have is a neighbourhood as of which we believe scum is in
2-shot Gunsmith in that hood.
Even-night JK.

Town is underpowered. Scum doesn't need a strongman or roleblocker to be balanced.

[JacksonVirgo]

The definition of power balance here is significantly more town sided than what I'm used to. That's kind of the point.

I don't consider the neighborhood to even be a thing that matters as far as balance goes. It "exists".

3 scum in 13 with a godfather and no other power would be considered a heavily town-sided setup, since it goes against the 25-33% scum rule and gives scum nothing to make up for it.

Closed normals are generally town-sided.

[JacksonVirgo]

3 scum in 13 with a godfather and no other power would be considered a heavily town-sided setup, since it goes against the 25-33% scum rule and gives scum nothing to make up for it.

godfather is semi-useless without a cop so you're just thinking mountainous setups?

10v3 is actually biased against Town without town power roles.

Spoiler:

[JacksonVirgo]

3 scum in 13 with a godfather and no other power would be considered a heavily town-sided setup, since it goes against the 25-33% scum rule and gives scum nothing to make up for it.

godfather is semi-useless without a cop so you're just thinking mountainous setups?

10v3 is actually biased against Town without town power roles.

Spoiler:

Titus is "godfather" to Mathblade if she is scum.

No difference to me really. The actual role godfather being banned is arbitrary.

It's a 2 shot Gunsmith. Scum didn't need a counter to it at all like a Doctor would. Titus also probably wouldn't have claimed doctor if they actually had one so it's probably fake. Instead I believe they would have some form of weak investigative like tracker to possibly catch the GS/JK and off them.

[JacksonVirgo]

3 scum in 13 with a godfather and no other power would be considered a heavily town-sided setup, since it goes against the 25-33% scum rule and gives scum nothing to make up for it.

godfather is semi-useless without a cop so you're just thinking mountainous setups?

10v3 is actually biased against Town without town power roles.

Spoiler:

According to that chart so is 11-2, apparently.

Indeed. 11-2 is rarely used with PRs. Town with PRs usually balance the 10v3 enough to make it relatively close to 50% if not a little more.

[JacksonVirgo]

Anyways the best role is and will always be town vanilla*

*Except that one game where I was a vanilla that could keep posting after I died. That was SWEET.

Treestump? Lol that role is fun

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh neat

[JacksonVirgo]

Italiano were you the neighbourizer?

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh I see

[JacksonVirgo]

Was there a maf doctor?

[JacksonVirgo]

Was there a maf doctor?

no, role list is now available in my reserved post tho

Eyyy I was right

[JacksonVirgo]

Who did Math try and check

[JacksonVirgo]

I might not say what I saw in Meuh because funni

[JacksonVirgo]

Who did Math try and check

Meuh.

:p

[JacksonVirgo]

I wanna say that concession felt premature but the PoE was locked down to basically meuh and dwlee once titus flipped

We had at least three people locked into Titus -> Meuh

What's.. "novice" detective?

Novice can't act N1. Detective is a role that can see if someone has killed another player.

[JacksonVirgo]

24 hour prods are nice actually.

[JacksonVirgo]

This game was not in any way balanced.

One slot had to survive to not create masons.
One near guaranteed clear/guilty from gunsmith.
Unlimmable universal backup.
Unlimmable detective who autoclears if the game reaches 1 scum.


Versus 1 rolecop that can only detect one role.

Somewhat agree and disagree at the same time. The UB taking the role of a neighbour was a way to make the neighbourhood not a masonry. Although swingy in the sense if another PR died first or they were checked by the GS as is which happened first.

UB is not unlimmable except for when they were checked.
How is Detective not yeetable? Although they definitely should have been lazy instead of novice, if not both. GS clear/guilty is not unbalanced.

The finder should have been a tracker, or similar though.

[JacksonVirgo]

Meuh was online for a decent while after Math claimed. Had no posts elsewhere on the site in that time and then dipped as soon as they posted here. That was my tell. Not sure how reliable it is, but you were scum so eh.

[JacksonVirgo]

I was aware it wasn't illegal OGI. I just thought it unfair so I didn't say anything in specific and said it was so I wasn't bugged about it.