Open 851: Would You Like To Be My Neighbor? | Game Over!

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VOTE: yeet

yeet

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Everything I see this game I'm like " ah yes, the one with the serial killer"

Anyone have a clue why

huh?

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@anyone who voted yeet - mind explaining why you rvs voted yeet

i'd rather not have the game stall out in rvs, so i'm gonna get it started with this

cuz there was already a vote there

why are you asking for reasons behind rvs votes and not for any serious votes?

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because none of the votes up until dv/stranger felt serious in any capacity?

bella's vote didn't strike me as totally random.

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thinking about it some more - dv/stranger - what are you seeing in bulge?

Everything I see this game I'm like " ah yes, the one with the serial killer"

Anyone have a clue why

huh?

My vote was for this. DV’s was the catalyst to go look at Bulge.

It’s not a lot (saying huh to something irrelevant would normally be nothing at all, frankly) but it’s something pressure-wise, when this game’s quiet.

the pressure is crushing me

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UNVOTE:

townvibes so far from yeet and vex. neutral most everywhere else

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any thoughts on mala so far?

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are you an alt?

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i agree with others re: bulge but it's not really a strong read

agree on what

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1) if someone hammers without realizing it's e-1, then we have that discussion, and i genuinely believe town are more likely to not quickhammer like that, so it might out a scum.
2) if someone calls out me for not announcing it's e-1, it comes with the point of "what do you think of that, and do you think it's scummier than what bulge has done thus far?" and provides content for the game.

getting small pings of tmi on my slot from this.

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also the assertion i havent provided game related content is absurd. i have asked more game-relevant questions than probably anyone. and nobody is trying to engage with me, on or off wagon. feels like my wagon is nothing more than a device for scum to get past a slow-moving D1.

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VOTE: malakittens

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VOTE: megazumarill

awfully not neighborly of you

pr hunting

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also the assertion i havent provided game related content is absurd. i have asked more game-relevant questions than probably anyone. and nobody is trying to engage with me, on or off wagon. feels like my wagon is nothing more than a device for scum to get past a slow-moving D1.

i can't tell if ur being serious about this, and if you are being serious, i want you to re-evaluate where your head is at currently, because it's not right

i dont like this response at all, its vague, feels very dismissive, almost gaslight-y lol like yeesh ok sorry for disturbing the narrative that i provided no content early on. blah

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1) if someone hammers without realizing it's e-1, then we have that discussion, and i genuinely believe town are more likely to not quickhammer like that, so it might out a scum.
2) if someone calls out me for not announcing it's e-1, it comes with the point of "what do you think of that, and do you think it's scummier than what bulge has done thus far?" and provides content for the game.

getting small pings of tmi on my slot from this.

what about this is tmi as well?

number 1 especially seems to presume that I am town. also the whole post is just kinda unnecessary and comes off looking like you're trying to prove you have townie thought processes.

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A question I do have for the bulge atm though is, if you think your wagon is a device for scum, why vote Mala, who was not involved with the wagon?

i hadn't followed that train of thought very far and was townleaning my wagoners for the most part. mala was an independent read, something I maybe wanted to pursue later, but here posts since then are ok and made me lol.

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VOTE: vex

dubious intentions

Adding VOTE: Vex Vience because the vote counter doesn't like lowercase vex. ~Koba

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also the assertion i havent provided game related content is absurd. i have asked more game-relevant questions than probably anyone. and nobody is trying to engage with me, on or off wagon. feels like my wagon is nothing more than a device for scum to get past a slow-moving D1.

i can't tell if ur being serious about this, and if you are being serious, i want you to re-evaluate where your head is at currently, because it's not right

i dont like this response at all, its vague, feels very dismissive, almost gaslight-y lol like yeesh ok sorry for disturbing the narrative that i provided no content early on. blah

ok let's look at all the questions that have been asked since post 0 all the way up to post 89 in this thread from me and you, and we'll let everyone else decide if you've provided more game-relevant questions up to the point you asked that, or if i have.

Spoiler: me

@anyone who voted yeet - mind explaining why you rvs voted yeet

i'd rather not have the game stall out in rvs, so i'm gonna get it started with this

thinking about it some more - dv/stranger - what are you seeing in bulge?

std any scumreads then?

VOTE: Deasvail

why the switch to dv?

e-1 without announcing it was accidental, but after i realized it, i went along with it because i thought it provides the following things:

1) if someone hammers without realizing it's e-1, then we have that discussion, and i genuinely believe town are more likely to

not

quickhammer like that, so it might out a scum.
2) if someone calls out me for not announcing it's e-1, it comes with the point of "what do you think of that, and do you think it's scummier than what bulge has done thus far?" and provides content for the game.

@stranger - do you think std is more likely to flip scum than bulge then? and if so, what do you think of bulge?

Spoiler: you

Everything I see this game I'm like " ah yes, the one with the serial killer"

Anyone have a clue why

huh?

@anyone who voted yeet - mind explaining why you rvs voted yeet

i'd rather not have the game stall out in rvs, so i'm gonna get it started with this

cuz there was already a vote there

why are you asking for reasons behind rvs votes and not for any serious votes?

any thoughts on mala so far?

are you an alt?

i agree with others re: bulge but it's not really a strong read

agree on what

i cannot stress how little i care to engage w this, my point is the framing of your initial vote for me was bs.

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contrived. made up.

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1) if someone hammers without realizing it's e-1, then we have that discussion, and i genuinely believe town are more likely to not quickhammer like that, so it might out a scum.
2) if someone calls out me for not announcing it's e-1, it comes with the point of "what do you think of that, and do you think it's scummier than what bulge has done thus far?" and provides content for the game.

getting small pings of tmi on my slot from this.

what about this is tmi as well?

number 1 especially seems to presume that I am town. also the whole post is just kinda unnecessary and comes off looking like you're trying to prove you have townie thought processes.

wow, it's almost like there are two options for what you flip in this game: town or scum.
and wow, it's almost like in those two options i provided, there's one scenario where you flip town and one where it's debatable what you flip.
do you have anything else you wanna deeply read into and not actually provide anything useful from?

are you saying that when you made that post you specifically meant scenario 1 to be town!bulge and scenario 2 is scum!bulge?

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for sake of my sanity too, i’m just going to ignore bulge. bulge is blatantly acting scummy and interacting *solely* with me. we need to pick someone to kill since deadline is soon, and i genuinely think it’s bulge here.

titus - read bulge's stuff and tell me if you think bulge is genuinely town, because right now, it makes you look like scum since i'm utterly convinced bulge has to be scum.

lmfao

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answer my question vex

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VOTE: The Bulge

Sorry for the absence yesterday.

I don't have a lot to add currently; Bulge at this point seems defensive and bristling at Vex and Vex alone (with a smidge of StD), it feels disproportionate to the things being asked/said. That feels... vague to say or maybe unfair because this game right now feels very... directionless and Bulge probably doesn't feel like that, but I'm unsure how else to get a direction going. Claim, I guess?

Small note is that 152 feels a lot less... angered, irritated, than the replies to Vex. I don't know. Reconciliatory towards DV's question, on the offensive elsewhere and after.

idk what any of this means

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hullo titus :]

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tbh i checked out from this game all yesterday and sunday, was putting me in an unpleasant mood. I'll try to give it another quick readthrough when I'm off work.

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oh christ its 6 hours til deadline eh

welp

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hope all is well, std

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In less words it’s just that you seem fixated most on Vex this game and going all in there with an aggression that doesn’t match what you’ve given to other people. And that FMPOV it didn’t seem to be an appropriate level of it, but... I realize we’re in different places in the game, so I’m unsure if it’s fair to really throw back your feelings at you as reasons you need to die but I don’t know what else to do.

How about looking at the context and seeing Vex's response was very bad and therefore Bulge's focus makes sense. I'd prefer if he townhunted more sure but I've tunneled like that in the past.

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VOTE: The Bulge

Sorry for the absence yesterday.

I don't have a lot to add currently; Bulge at this point seems defensive and bristling at Vex and Vex alone (with a smidge of StD), it feels disproportionate to the things being asked/said. That feels... vague to say or maybe unfair because this game right now feels very... directionless and Bulge probably doesn't feel like that, but I'm unsure how else to get a direction going. Claim, I guess?

Small note is that 152 feels a lot less... angered, irritated, than the replies to Vex. I don't know. Reconciliatory towards DV's question, on the offensive elsewhere and after.

idk what any of this means

This isn’t a condescending “really?” but more of a... really? With a squint.

In less words it’s just that you seem fixated most on Vex this game and going all in there with an aggression that doesn’t match what you’ve given to other people. And that FMPOV it didn’t seem to be an appropriate level of it, but... I realize we’re in different places in the game, so I’m unsure if it’s fair to really throw back your feelings at you as reasons you need to die but I don’t know what else to do.

why would i give the same energy to players i do not scumread as somebody i do scumread? separate question, why would i react w the same aggression toward someone who is not annoying me as someone who is? like it just isnt logical, and on top of that i dont understand what your point is in pointing that all out?

so there's a lot of words in these two posts but im not sure what it is you think you've found?

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(with a smidge of StD),

whats this about

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like "bulge is suspicious of and irritated by this one specific player...and is not acting suspicious or irritated towards this other player...and i think that is because ____________"

fill in the blanks pls

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stranger are you townreading vex? if so why? do you think their push vs me comes from a townie mindset?

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er not even specifically their push, but i mean just how they're acting about all of it lol

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meg and titus are my only townreads and also the only people seeing my side of things lmao so i think i might just be dead here.

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wait who asked me to claim rofl what are you expecting there

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i claim pt spy, none of u are safe

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meg and titus are my only townreads and also the only people seeing my side of things lmao so i think i might just be dead here.

like idk who i can even appeal to atp, hopefully dv is around and contributes before DL?

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vex
mala
bella
stranger

dv
std

meg
titus

smthn like that yea

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@bulge we’re expecting your role and unless you claim friendly neighbor, who you’re in a hood with

????????????????????????????

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can we please wagon this already wtf

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lol

ok

bye for now

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no comment on vex, std?

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@vex

are you saying that when you made that post you specifically meant scenario 1 to be town!bulge and scenario 2 is scum!bulge?

its a simple y/n

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im worried but would rather do you at this point

why is that

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what worries you i mean? i dont recall you giving a reason besides "huh"

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dawwwwwwwg. like how is that a serious reason

pedit- ok fair enough, ty. im glad youre here as well. take it easy.

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i mean honestly if I'm still the lim today then so be it, sloppy miselims make D1 a content goldmine. and if the scumteams whole play is weaponized petulance then I have every faith we still pull a W. i'm not really all that frustrated rn (at least not nearly as frustrated as im known to get on here sometimes lol

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Mmm.

UNVOTE:

I share similar concerns over the sudden reappearance but get it. It sucks to be in a game like this under pressure and no one really does anything else.

To me, I find it very... confusing, why Vex goes to the lengths of this push as scum because it really isn’t necessary in this game. Maybe it’s a bit more needed now because there’s more defense on Bulge but... there’s a general sentiment of “eh sure why not” which means Vex could do a lot less and burn a lot less credit tomorrow on a town flip. It doesn’t feel necessary to

care

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Similarly I think characterizing this as scum making noise, as Titus did, is... a weird way to characterize this game, because it’s not really noisy, it’s slow and apathetic.

what i think titus means by scum making noise, and i only assume this because it's how i see it, is that in a game with nothing going on, it's hard for anyone (town or scum) to make anything stick, or to really follow through w anything. now the difference is in the motivation to do a thing. townies in a dead/very slow game will be kicked into action when somebody does or says something scummy. easy. but scummos will kick into action

when they see an opportunity

. yours and std's votes for me were fine, whatever, nothing to say about that, its just the flow of the early game. but vex's initial hop onto my wagon had a completely mde up reason. vex saw an opportunity to get the ball rolling towards a miselim, and obviously any scum needs help from a group of misguided townies to push any miselim through. this is where the noise comes in. vex didnt start pushing me because i had done anything particularly scummy, they started pushing me because it was an opportunity to steer the game in a favourable direction.

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(with a smidge of StD),

whats this about

like "bulge is suspicious of and irritated by this one specific player...and is not acting suspicious or irritated towards this other player...and i think that is because ____________"

fill in the blanks pls

stranger are you townreading vex? if so why? do you think their push vs me comes from a townie mindset?

Going to squish these together. The StD thing was just where you I think (?) jested about StD role fishing but I put it as a smidge just in case.

And for me, feelings like irritation especially are very... all encompassing I guess? To me I don’t treat my townreads and scumreads differently if I am annoyed or frustrated and I don’t really zero in on just one so to see you do that to one person is unsettling, because I think you were really just... going all in on them from memory, and narrow focusing in a way I felt just didn’t make... a lot of sense to me.

I’ll reread when I’m home in a bit and see if I come to the same conclusions but Bulge, who do you think is with Vex?

yes lol the role fishing thing was a joke

what im getting from this is that we are different people who experience emotions differently, mhm?

mala and bella are both playing from the sidelines. if im wrong about vex it could just be both of them, happy to sit back and watch this TvT. but im thinking probably one of them, unable to join vex's crusade for fear of incriminating themselves via blatant association, and without anything else really going on in the game to focus on instead.

Also sorry if I’m reading your emotions wrong but it does come across as pretty miffed at times...

oh i am plenty miffed, just not toward std. and overall today its been more of a chuckle-and-an-eyeroll miffed compared to some other games where my blood has been rightly boiled.

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yes lol the role fishing thing was a joke

if we're talking ROLEFISHING tho........
how about bottom of page 9 where vex asked me to CLAIM MY HOOD PARTNER

pedit - yea that stance is a bit of a headscratcher

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never have i been pocketed so fast before lol. ill be around later today

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need to reread cuz obviously my reads are shit lol. rn im thinking stranger/vex town and probably dv too (unlikely titus partner) but i have no strong feelings any other which way.

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hm sorry i didnt really contribute today, started reading from the top at work today but never ended up finishing. im really not sure where my head is at rn, could definitely use a fresh read.

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probably fine with mala today tho, dont wait on me to get the day done with if thats where everyone is at

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surely we have an inno result by now? unless the target was NKed. but friendly neighbour should probably just claim now anyway, narrow the pool.

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so, thought right here - the last scum is probably within the surviving hood, right?

interested in your thought process here

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actually i take it back. friendly neighbour should absolutely

not claim

because of reasons i cant get into but theres a strategic advantage to staying hidden w the current gamestate.

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final hood should also not claim

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I believe that the only inno we would have would be the FN.

yea that's what i was saying, an inno result is sent to the fn's target so a claim could come from either or

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alright lets

VOTE: bella

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PoE

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everyone else is showing their towniness this phase, bella isnt doing anything and didnt really do anything yesterday either.

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ok so bella is actually straight up lying rn. i am bella's neighbour so from her POV she knows 100% that meg is the friendly neighbour

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hammer away!

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rereading as well. sorry bella

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this is def one of those games where i wish i was scum lol

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titus is not a sloppy scum player like that tho. our pairing makes no sense.

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VOTE: megazumarill

awfully not neighborly of you

pr hunting

lol

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vex it would help me a lot if you answer my question about your intent re:post 82

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then i wanna talk about stranger, hear more about what dv had to say as well

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post 82 is my own, what was your question

also, it makes so much more sense in my mind to have scum!you versus scum!stranger. like, yea, i can see scum!stranger, but like, titus's play doesn't make sense to me unless it was an attempt to try to save you, unless it was some really weird pocketing attempt on her behalf?

why not just a shoot-from-the-hip stance on the most current issue that was ill-received? idk why it has to be either this or that w you

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page

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1) if someone hammers without realizing it's e-1, then we have that discussion, and i genuinely believe town are more likely to not quickhammer like that, so it might out a scum.
2) if someone calls out me for not announcing it's e-1, it comes with the point of "what do you think of that, and do you think it's scummier than what bulge has done thus far?" and provides content for the game.

getting small pings of tmi on my slot from this.

what about this is tmi as well?

number 1 especially seems to presume that I am town. also the whole post is just kinda unnecessary and comes off looking like you're trying to prove you have townie thought processes.

wow, it's almost like there are two options for what you flip in this game: town or scum.
and wow, it's almost like in those two options i provided, there's one scenario where you flip town and one where it's debatable what you flip.
do you have anything else you wanna deeply read into and not actually provide anything useful from?

are you saying that when you made that post you specifically meant scenario 1 to be town!bulge and scenario 2 is scum!bulge?

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lol serious? stranger hasnt even posted

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actually! idc

VOTE: stranger

c ya, thanks for hosting koba

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honestly i am kinda mad i gave stranger a pss for so long off of nothing. they have had not a single steong stance all game, just hemming and hawing over everything. votes wherever is convenient.

but im over this game!