Micro 1055 - Trolled

[Roden]

Um. I think it's very cool that the game started with me being the leading wagon. I don't know why or how it happened but I'm excited to solve this mystery.

I don't have a post restriction, it's a post liberation. My posts will be positive, but if they were ever to be negative, any votes on me will be frozen for 48 hours, which I think is a very fun and engaging element.

[Roden]

VOTE: Radical Rat

But also HEAL: Radical Rat

[Roden]

Um. I think it's very cool that the game started with me being the leading wagon. I don't know why or how it happened but I'm excited to solve this mystery.

I don't have a post restriction, it's a post liberation. My posts will be positive, but if they were ever to be negative, any votes on me will be frozen for 48 hours, which I think is a very fun and engaging element.

VOTE: Radical Rat

But also HEAL: Radical Rat

Something you not sharing Roden? There is a heal but you're just positive? O.o

The heal was just in case a blank vote post was considered negative, it doesn't actually do anything. I couldn't think of a positive thing to say for a RVS vote that wouldn't sound sarcastic or insincere, which isn't necessarily a grey area for my liberation but is just a personal preference.

[Roden]

I didn't vote for Roden.

What the fuck.

... There goes my last post.

Val89

died Night 0. Role:

Spoiler:

Town Pretender

Your role: Pretender:You should not use the words "I","me" and "mine". Exchange "I" with "We","me" with "Us" and "mine" with "Our". Do not use your name instead. These rules do not apply to quotes(exceptions:you should neither add "I", "me" and "mine" to quotes, nor abuse this provision(e.g. by quoting an "I" only)). If you do not follow your post restriction you gain the following compulsive action, active the following night and day: You need to give me a list of people. The person on the top of this list(ignoring dead people) will be the person you will intent to vote at the start of each day, and you will vote them after 48 hours have passed. Both will be public. And

both will be

frozen

. Frozen votes or intents cannot changed until the end of the day. You may change this list at any time, but changes after intent will not change the vote. If you do not give me a list, I will use the player list, modified with your name on top. Your role has hidden powers. If something happens your post restriction - but not its punishments - lapses. If a certain percentage of your posts during a game day violates your post restriction(unless it lapsed) the punishment becomes permanent(you will be informed at the end of the day if that happened).

Your alignment: Town. No special abilities.
You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least two town-aligned players are alive.

Day 1 begins and ends in (expired on 2022-06-05 09:36:00), or earlier.

The_Evil_Within is a Priest.

Vote Count 1.0

Roden (8) Flea the Magician; takotsubo syndrome; Enchant; MegAzumarill; Radical Rat; Roden; Toogeloo; The_Evil_Within;

Flea the Magician (0)

takotsubo syndrome

Yume

(0)

Enchant (0)

MegAzumarill (0)

Radical Rat (0)

Toogeloo

PookyTheMagicalBear

(0)

The_Evil_Within(0)

Not Voting (0)

Abstain (0)

With 8 alive it is 5 to hammer after the first 48 hours of the day have passed.

I haven't seen anything in the rules about anyone starting the Day with everyone's votes, so I think I was targeted by an ability last night, like a gift basket full of votes. Nobody has claimed to have done it so far though...maybe I have a secret admirer?

[Roden]

If it wasn't a NK, maybe someone is a N0 Vig. There's already apparently an ability to put everyone's votes on a single player during the Night phase.

[Roden]

Abstaining is an interesting option...I assume it's meant to put us back on odds. Is there something else to it?

[Roden]

VOTE: The_Evil_Within

That should be E-2. I don't understand the point of Abstaining if getting back on odds doesn't actually matter in the end due to rule 10. I think Meg makes a good point in the post above this one as well.

[Roden]

You're right though, your D1 is hell to work your alignment out and mostly pointless because no data like ever.

I feel similarly, I have a near 0% read accuracy rate on Enchant. I think he is a genuinely good player, he just gets underestimated a lot, and any time I do town read him I always end up doubting that read later on.

[Roden]

VOTE: The_Evil_Within

That should be E-2. I don't understand the point of Abstaining if getting back on odds doesn't actually matter in the end due to rule 10. I think Meg makes a good point in the post above this one as well.

My bad lol, I meant rule 9.

[Roden]

Well...I'm sure TEW had a plan. Maybe he was secretly informed that his full power would be unleashed in the dead chat? It seems to be heavily implied that the dead can still impact the game.

[Roden]

I foresight you ask me why i did hammer, so there is.

Let's just say, accusation like i didn't receive role and faking it is borderline stupid. Like... You know i can easily confirm it by posting more often that allowed and looking if my vote will freeze? Of course i then turn on liability (even more than i am already lald), and will be forceelimmed anyway. I considered this accusation in simple provocation to me for break my OATH and striked first.

The fact that this post restriction doesh't bother me... Well. Yep? What you expected lol


Either way, seems like mod thinked about making it fairly, giving us doubleday. There's also noticable that every vote is not on Roden anymore.
Town have no reason to NOT use ability, as this is funny and harmless, so i think it's simple mafia changing killers and being unable to multitask or noaction/block or out of shots idk. What it gives actually? Probably nothing. Everything in this game is borderline useless so far.

Either way, i want decapitate Toog.

tldr kill toogs, roden isn't starting with all votes which is well spotted.
Also you're a known lolhammerer, the over explaination is probably AI but we don't have brain to work out which way.

Alignment indicative how? You seem to be implying it's scummy for him, but I want to be sure of what you mean so I don't accidentally put any words in your mouth.

[Roden]

Sorry, been finding it hard to stay invested...we have to wait a day just for a response, yet Enchant vs Toog isn't having much actual progression.

Enchant and I are playing a game of posting Chicken. I've been waiting for them to post so that I always have the ability to post after them .

Your move, Enchant.

VOTE: Toogeloo

I think Enchant is town.

[Roden]

I do have a read on Toog, I voted him because I think his play is smart and tactical if he's scum. Waiting to post until Enchant does allows him to get the upper hand and counter anything he says without Enchant having a way to immediately fight back. Toog isn't using those opportunities to scum case Enchant though, just to counter and attack him.

[Roden]

The race to be top poster has been very interesting and fun to watch

Can we flip Toog now please

[Roden]

Day phases aren't timed...we actually have to take initiative and end the day ourselves

Or we can hold NK15 hostage I guess

[Roden]

Oh I just couldn't see it lmao, my bad

[Roden]

I'm pretty sure Toog is mafia and I'd rather flip there. I feel stuck though because I feel like scum is turning the votes around to save him, but if I'm wrong and Mala flips red then I just look like her partner. Either scum is playing really well or I'm just bad and not paying attention, which tbh is possible.

Idk. I appreciate this game in concept but this feels a bit stacked against town.

VOTE: Malakittens

[Roden]

It was.
Does that change how you read anything?

I'm pretty sure Toog is mafia and I'd rather flip there. I feel stuck though because I feel like scum is turning the votes around to save him, but if I'm wrong and Mala flips red then I just look like her partner. Either scum is playing really well or I'm just bad and not paying attention, which tbh is possible.

Idk. I appreciate this game in concept but this feels a bit stacked against town.

VOTE: Malakittens

I'm pretty convinced this is scum.
Feels really weird that you'd go on about how you're sure Toog is Mafia, and scum is diverting to save him, then hammer the counterwagon anyway.

I appreciate that you're scum claiming, it does make the game easier so thank you for that.

I wanted to vote Toog. I made it clear that I wanted to vote Toog. Toog was almost voted out. Then you and Toog broke your post conditions to save him and vote Mala, even though you supposedly scum read him and Toog supposedly scum read Enchant. I hammered Mala in case I was wrong, and figured it was blatant you and Toog were aligned if she flipped town.

It it pretty funny that you turned on me for hammering your "scum read". I mean, I know you don't have much of a choice, scum can't NK anymore and you made a blatant scum gambit by breaking your post conditions in order to save your partner. And it's not like you can push Enchant, I already made it clear I town read him so you know he won't be mis-elim'd. I'm guessing you're partnering me with Flea since fae's the only one left and you can't bus Toog after trying to save him?

I think most of dead chat already figured out it was Toog anyway, so I'm not particularly worried about a mis-elim here. Hell, Mala's last words were to kill Toog, so you might want to start convincing her instead of just vaguely claiming that I'm scum because I hammered a flash wagon. Once he flips red, it'll be obvious that you're his partner.

[Roden]

Discredit? He blatantly tried to save you when the rest of us didn't want to vote Enchant after you locked your vote in on him. He flash wagon'd a slot that wasn't around but scum read you Like, that is something that actually happened.

Even from your own perspective, town!you should be worried that he was trying to save you as mis-elim bait in ELo, or that maybe he was pocketing or white knighting you. But you aren't considering that possibility at all, you're just assuming he's town. This is what I mean when I say that you're blatant partners, you're not even pretending to try to read him or be wary of him.

[Roden]

I didn't want to be saved. I even flat out told the thread that keeping me around might be to their detriment. If I had a scum partner, the proper play there is to bus me.

You're doing a tell here that I'm not sure I can say without breaking my post condition.

Umm...I actually have no idea how to get around it. But basically you should know that scum can't bus since it isn't viable in this set up, and you're pretending not to know that. Scum lost their factional kill starting on Day 2, meaning if they bussed then they would have to force through double the amount of mis-elims. If Rat busses you at 6 players, he then has to avoid getting elim'd at 5, 4, and 3. Otherwise, he can save you at 6 and then only have to force one more mis-elim through at 5.

I also don't believe that you didn't want to be saved, because you broke your post condition in order to have a chance to save yourself.

[Roden]

Had you at least like. Talked it through before just going "oh well" and casting a hammer, I wouldn't be as thoroughly convinced it was a scum play.

Obviously, voting Malakittens itself is not scummy, but the way you set it up was like you knew what was going to happen but didn't want to take responsibility for the decision. Also, I already thought you had the best shot at being scum by PoE before Toog pulled his shenanigans yesterday, so this was pretty much just reaffirming that.

As for partners, it's either you and Toog or you and Enchant. Haven't made up my mind which, but I'm still pretty confident on Flea being Town.

This is an...interesting, interpretation of my vote. I'd made it clear that I voted Mala in case I was wrong about Toog because then I would look aligned with her if she did flip red. Otherwise it seemed obvious that scum made a play to save Toog. I just thought it was more likely that I was wrong than scum making an open wolf play like that.

I also think it's somewhat disingenuous to portray me voting for Malakittens as an attempt to save Toogeloo. That was a consequence, yes, but I think I made it pretty clear that wasn't the goal and I still thought Toogeloo was likely scum

What makes it disingenuous? What do you think my perception of the game should be?

[Roden]

This is an...interesting, interpretation of my vote. I'd made it clear that I voted Mala in case I was wrong about Toog because then I would look aligned with her if she did flip red. Otherwise it seemed obvious that scum made a play to save Toog. I just thought it was more likely that I was wrong than scum making an open wolf play like that.

Exactly. More concerned about your image than actually eliminating scum.

How can scum!me worry about my image of looking scummy if Mala flips scum if I would know she's flipping town...?

Why are you ignoring the part where I said I considered that I could be wrong? Why are you ignoring everything else I said to you as well? You're just spewing that you know what I said is correct at this point.

[Roden]

VOTE: Toogeloo

Flea, Enchant, do either of you think Toog and Rat are town here?

[Roden]

Sorry, I hope you feel better soon Flea. But, what do you need to read?

Toog and Rat both broke their post conditions to shift the momentum to Mala and save Toog. They came into today pretending that didn't happen. Toog says he town leans you but froze his vote there.

[Roden]

Sorry, I hope you feel better soon Flea. But, what do you need to read?

Toog and Rat both broke their post conditions to shift the momentum to Mala and save Toog. They came into today pretending that didn't happen. Toog says he town leans you but froze his vote there.

I am NOT pretending that didn't happen. All I've said is that that wasn't the primary goal, as should have been obvious from how I was still scumreading Toogeloo

If we're both scum reading Toog, then what's the problem?

[Roden]

This is an...interesting, interpretation of my vote. I'd made it clear that I voted Mala in case I was wrong about Toog because then I would look aligned with her if she did flip red. Otherwise it seemed obvious that scum made a play to save Toog. I just thought it was more likely that I was wrong than scum making an open wolf play like that.

Exactly. More concerned about your image than actually eliminating scum.

How can scum!me worry about my image of looking scummy if Mala flips scum if I would know she's flipping town...?

Why are you ignoring the part where I said I considered that I could be wrong? Why are you ignoring everything else I said to you as well? You're just spewing that you know what I said is correct at this point.

Because you were lying. You were trying to think of reasoning that made you look town instead of actually looking for anything scummy with Malakittens. And, knowing she'd flip Town, you put in effort to make clear that you didn't think she was scum, and were voting "just in case" you were wrong, to go along with everyone else, in an attempt to absolve yourself of responsibility for the hammer.

I'm not ignoring anything here, just not believing it.

This isn't a real case if it depends on me hammering Mala. You're essentially arguing that I would be obvtown if I didn't hammer and just let the wagon idle.

The entire player list wanted Mala out. It isn't unreasonable for me to think that I'm more likely to be wrong than literally everybody else in the game. I have lost multiple games doing exactly that, and with my post condition it's pretty clear that I'm seen as having hubris. I hammered because I legitimately believed my typical mindset was going to lose town the game.

And again, it seemed obvious to me who the scum team is if Mala flipped town, just because of how the momentum suddenly shifted against her the moment Toog almost got elim'd.

[Roden]

Malakittens' flip has shaken my confidence in that read, plus you're possible partners.

I am NOT convinced Toogeloo is Town, but since I still strongly townread Flea, the only possibilities are You/Toog, You/Enchant, or Toog/Enchant.

Toog/Enchant does, admittedly, worry me, but it's a hell of a play to freeze a vote on your partner like that and try to force a 1v1. Only reason I'm even considering it is because Enchant was actively resisting the 1v1, and as Town I'd have thought he'd take the bait.

So, basically, I'm way more confident on you than either of them. Just as you are apparently more confident on me than Toog.

I'm voting Toog...

[Roden]

I did actually miss the vote, my bad on that one.

To your point on you being obvtown if you let the wagon idle... I already made clear that my expectation was that you would discuss things and engage with Town, and maybe you would have been convinced to vote, maybe you wouldn't have. But you made it sound like you were entirely unconvinced, but hammered anyway.

Maybe if it wasn't the hammer vote, Maybe if you gave intent and expressed concerns before casting your vote, I'd townread you now. Or maybe I wouldn't. But none of that really matters when that isn't what happened. All I can say for sure is that right now, I think you're most likely to flip red.

I already explained why I voted Mala several times now.

And again, it seemed obvious to me who the scum team is if Mala flipped town, just because of how the momentum suddenly shifted against her the moment Toog almost got elim'd.

You keep ignoring this and every other point I've been making. And it makes absolutely no sense to think I'm "most likely to flip red" when you scum read Toog and have apparently been confident that he's scum. We share the same scum read on him, and you think he fits in multiple pairings, yet somehow I'm the one you want gone. Like...you have to realize that that isn't a consistent or logical thought process. Seeing that along with your desperate attempt to save Toog yesterday just makes it really obvious that you two are paired and that you don't want to bus your partner if you don't have to.

[Roden]

Val89

died Night 0. Role:

Spoiler:

Town Pretender

Your role: Pretender:You should not use the words "I","me" and "mine". Exchange "I" with "We","me" with "Us" and "mine" with "Our". Do not use your name instead. These rules do not apply to quotes(exceptions:you should neither add "I", "me" and "mine" to quotes, nor abuse this provision(e.g. by quoting an "I" only)). If you do not follow your post restriction you gain the following compulsive action, active the following night and day: You need to give me a list of people. The person on the top of this list(ignoring dead people) will be the person you will intent to vote at the start of each day, and you will vote them after 48 hours have passed. Both will be public. And

both will be

frozen

. Frozen votes or intents cannot changed until the end of the day. You may change this list at any time, but changes after intent will not change the vote. If you do not give me a list, I will use the player list, modified with your name on top. Your role has hidden powers. If something happens your post restriction - but not its punishments - lapses. If a certain percentage of your posts during a game day violates your post restriction(unless it lapsed) the punishment becomes permanent(you will be informed at the end of the day if that happened).

Your alignment: Town. No special abilities.
You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least two town-aligned players are alive.

Day 1 begins and ends in (expired on 2022-06-05 09:36:00), or earlier.

The_Evil_Within is a Priest.

Vote Count 1.0

Roden (8) Flea the Magician; takotsubo syndrome; Enchant; MegAzumarill; Radical Rat; Roden; Toogeloo; The_Evil_Within;

Flea the Magician (0)

takotsubo syndrome

Yume

(0)

Enchant (0)

MegAzumarill (0)

Radical Rat (0)

Toogeloo

PookyTheMagicalBear

(0)

The_Evil_Within(0)

Not Voting (0)

Abstain (0)

With 8 alive it is 5 to hammer after the first 48 hours of the day have passed.

I was also targeted by an ability that dumped everyone's votes on me on N0, and no one ever claimed that they did it. By default, that has to mean it was a factional ability, which clears me mechanically.

[Roden]

Uh...are we supposed to do something? I'm sure they're doing their best, but I feel like the dead chat should've hammered by now. I don't think there's much else we can talk about.

[Roden]

GG

I feel like the only people who got trolled were the scum team