Micro 1056: Moderators of the Discord Server [game over]

[Lukewarm]

As a moderator, I shall be modkilling everyone else

Modkill: RH9
Modkill: Save the Dragons
Modkill: Faker
Modkill: PenguinPower
Modkill: Meuh
Modkill: marcistar
Modkill: PookyTheMagicalBear
Modkill: Dwlee99

[Lukewarm]

Micro 1056 ends in a...

Spoiler:

Town Win!

[Lukewarm]

Thanks everyone!

[Lukewarm]

Damn. I regret not doing this post as:

Micro 1056 ends in a...

Spoiler:

Luke Win!

[Lukewarm]

I have been informed that mod kills eequire list mod approval x.x

Spoiler:

this is a lie. No one informed me of shit

[Lukewarm]

I would prefer going to the game where we have to vote for a townie, which ever one that is

[Lukewarm]

how do we sign up for a location

sign up for stop getting banned

like this?

In prior runs we have done it as VOTE: Desired Location

But that almost certainly works lol

Spoiler:

im sorry you keep rolling scum marci

[Lukewarm]

I'm pretty sure you're already locked in, and I'm also pretty sure that you already knew that lol

[Lukewarm]

[quote="In post 24, marci]
wdym you thought i already knew[/quote]


I think that that was a faked dumb tell, and that you are scum.

I also am acutely aware that you "accidentally " locked yourself into the option that is easiest for scum to win and hardest for town to win.

And I would expect you to gravitate for the easier option for your alignment

[Lukewarm]

As a moderator, I shall be modkilling everyone else

Modkill: RH9
Modkill: Save the Dragons
Modkill: Faker
Modkill: PenguinPower
Modkill: Meuh
Modkill: marcistar
Modkill: PookyTheMagicalBear
Modkill: Dwlee99

lol luke rolled scum again

This is true.

I am contractually obligated to only make jokes while scum. Terms and conditions of rolling town say super serious all the time

Also, hi pooky

[Lukewarm]

Why Luke he called out Marci first

its fake distancing bullshit if luke actually BELIEVED that shit he would've gotten his modkit and jumped into SGB to yeet her

I was pretty close to locking into the sillytalk one tbh.

Tired of ending up in the hard games for these things lol

[Lukewarm]

lukewarm absolutely in hiding ever since i showed up

where they at

At work.

Sorry about that

[Lukewarm]

I wanna do sillyposting
Because I'm so silly

Me and meuh for silly posting.

Wr are here for a silly goofy time

[Lukewarm]

Hey guys.

I have a secret.

Spoiler:

i think pooky might be a hacker

[Lukewarm]

why does every post you make have a spoiler lukewarm

1 was to recreate the game winner post in the sign up queues.
1 was a comedic use
1 was for dramatic effect.

Plus, they really help for the silly goofy mood I am bringing to this game

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Speaking of

VOTE: Sillyposting

I don't think I have it in me this game to try and do either other game.

[Lukewarm]

Nah, are you?

[Lukewarm]

VOTE: Sillyposting

I don't think I have it in me this game to try and do either other game.

Presumably you intended to do this regardless, but did my stated preference give you pause or accelerate this decision?

I almost voted for it in my first post, and I am frankly proud of myself for holding out as long as I did.

That being said, you and Meuh both stating a preference for that location did make me want to go ahead and do it. In the prior runs I have seen of this, when someone locks in, there has been a good chance that 1/2 other people panic lock it.

So, there was a chance from someone to go there, the two of you panic lock in, and I be forced into another game

[Lukewarm]

For the context of this decision, I have played this set up twice so far.

In my first game, I was town. And I ended up in the hardest game (Stop Getting Banned)
It was Hell.
I lost.

In the second game, I was scum. I went to "sillyposting" because I knew that town me really wanted sillly posting, and so I knew it is where town me would have gone. But, since I was scum, it was actually the hardest game for me to win.
It was Hell
I lost.

Really feel like on my third run of this, its kinda my time to get the easier minigame lol

[Lukewarm]

VOTE: sillyposting

easiest game of my life

Because you know I am town? <3

[Lukewarm]

I'll win you over eventually, we got plenty of time

[Lukewarm]

Now I don’t wanna do sillyposting because I don’t wanna get stuck with Luke and Pooky

Rude

[Lukewarm]

I think that STD should be in Stop getting Banned personally.

[Lukewarm]

I think that STD should be in Stop getting Banned personally.

because?

Because I feel like you are someone who is easier to read, and therefore someone I think would make sense to have in the hardest game for us to win.

[Lukewarm]

Faker and Meuh both immediately wanting to be in Sillyposting less when me and pooky locked in is pretty +town for both of them if pooky flips town. Should keep that in mind when we have to decide which game to flip first later.

[Lukewarm]

am i really easy to read?

I think of you that way.

Although I have been told that you had a stand out scum game recently. So maybe not if you are trying really hard. But the other options to go there at this point are

RH9
Faker
PenguinPower
Meuh
You

And of those, I have never played with town RH9, never with scum Meuh, and never with Faker or Penguin

So, you are generally the person on that list I would feel most comfortable having to sort.

[Lukewarm]

I think that STD should be in Stop getting Banned personally.

because?

Because I feel like you are someone who is easier to read, and therefore someone I think would make sense to have in the hardest game for us to win.

so you think marci is scum

but u also think that mini game is hard to win

like cant have it both ways

Sillyposting is a 66% town win
Mafia Discussion is a 50% town win
Stop Getting Banned is a 33% town win.

SGB being the hardest game to win is a simple fact of the set up.

I am also scum reading Marci.

Those are not contradictory statements.

[Lukewarm]

shouldnt you want someone hard for you to read in sgb if you think marci is scum

I mean, maybe if I was "bet a minigame on my page 2 read of Marci" sure that Marci is scum.

[Lukewarm]

I am a public alt of Prism.

Oh. Hi Prism

[Lukewarm]

Meuh, can you tell me why you don't think that you would enjoy chilling with me and pooky?

[Lukewarm]

I mean, every player should be voicing their solve for every game. Not just your own.

[Lukewarm]

I vote we throw RH9 into that hellhole, he is likely to actually unironically find it fun.

Not sure I enjoy "existing in a game with me" being thought of as being a hell hole.

I think I might just accept being the person who votes in this minigame, and can skip past me ever having to convince anyone I am town.

[Lukewarm]

I would rather you (prism) not come to silly posting tbh

[Lukewarm]

vote count 1.03

with 3 possible channels to be assigned to, it takes 2 full channels to end the day. day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2022-06-23 12:30:00).

assignments

Sillyposting [3]:

Lukewarm, PookyTheMagicalBear, PenguinPower

[HAMMER]

Mafia Discussion [0]:

Stop Getting Banned [2]:

marcistar, Dwlee99

unassigned [4]:

RH9, Save the Dragons, Faker, Meuh

mod notes

~ highlighting one of the rules here: if the day deadline runs out, the hackers will immediately win.
~ this is a mod note.

It would probably be a lot less trouble for the game if you stuck to using Faker.

My bad.

My game is decided. I feel like at this time I should not be talking about penguin or pooky, or my plan for how to play my mini game since it will tell scum if they should swap me out.

[Lukewarm]

once a a player's minigame is resolved, that player may no longer post in the game thread,

with the exception of the played who was confirmed moderator in Sillyposting, who may continue to post until the end of the game no matter what

.

@

mod, this should be confirmed mod in Mafia Discussion right?

(Also, player not played. But that is less relevant lol)

[Lukewarm]

Also, wanted to make sure everyone knew that was a thing.

[Lukewarm]

Also, wanted to make sure everyone knew that was a thing.

Not that the error was a thing.

That the confirmed townie hangs around

[Lukewarm]

I think that me, pooky, and penguin in particular should not be talking about reads anymore

Other people might need to a little bit to figure out games / who they would want to be with

[Lukewarm]

I think I would like Faker in mafia discussion?

And I think they said that that is the one they want anyways

[Lukewarm]

we actually shouldnt give reads and help scum figure out swaps

lets get this show on the road

So its only bad when i type it out? lmao

[Lukewarm]

Pooky, do you realize that your reads are : Everyone who posted on page 1 is scum?

[Lukewarm]

I feel very, very good about marcistar being town after the read on Lukewarm. I shared it, and it was part of why I heavily considered biting the bullet on Sillyposting.

This was enough for you to feel "very, very good about marcistar being town?

112 i kinda lowkey like

i like luke

[Lukewarm]

Yes. It is a shame you cannot punish the read tomorrow in the minigame; maybe they will be kind enough to swap me back.

I am looking at this post, but I cannot parse it out.

What would it mean for me to "punish the read" in this context?

And the read on me, or the read on marci?

Swap you back where?

I feel like I have missed a couple of steps of your logic here

[Lukewarm]

But you did a scummy thing and then didn't do anything townie so you're still scummy why does that not make sense

I feel like you should know by now that my playstyle is just a very scummy one that gains me alot of attention,
the fact that ur just going full steam ahead without thinking and taking into considerations the games youve been in with me where ive been an easy person to shade, it just feels bizzare.

i just took the game i think i would enjoy and its sUdDeNlY a cRiMe!!

Why is it scummy for dwlee to call you out for your ibsta lock, but you have not commented on pooky doing it, and you have even called me townie?

[Lukewarm]

Why is it scummy for dwlee to call you out for your ibsta lock, but you have not commented on pooky doing it,

if u want my serious opinion, im well aware im an easy miselim, i think dwlees scum strat here is to completely shit on my game early on so that the backing for my miselim is there and so that they'll easily win our game. i think they know my game well enough to know im someone who doesnt care about appearances, so i think theyre trying to manipulate that to their advantage.

meanwhile pooky, i just think hes a bully. jk but only kinda.
i think pooky usually largely values memes over anything else, i think that pooky being brutal is just him thinking it would be lolfunny to block with dwlee. I think its usually pretty hard to determine if what pooky does is scummy until theres a few flips.

(AKA: i think dwlees a bit more serious than pooky is so I hold dwlee to a higher standard)

Did you purposely avoid commenting on me in this post, or ?

[Lukewarm]

Like, I feel like me, dwlee, and pooky have all vocally said that your lock in means your probably scum.

And you are using that push from dwlee to call them scum.
You seem to be at null for pooky (?)
And you like me.

What about the way dwlee is doing it makes him scummy when compared to us?

[Lukewarm]

I'm pretty sure you're already locked in, and I'm also pretty sure that you already knew that lol

wdym you thought i already knew

I think that that was a faked dumb tell, and that you are scum.

I also am acutely aware that you "accidentally " locked yourself into the option that is easiest for scum to win and hardest for town to win.

And I would expect you to gravitate for the easier option for your alignment

[Lukewarm]

Like, I feel like me, dwlee, and pooky have all vocally said that your lock in means your probably scum.

And you are using that push from dwlee to call them scum.
You seem to be at null for pooky (?)
And you like me.

What about the way dwlee is doing it makes them scummy when compared to us?

Sorry

[Lukewarm]

oh thats why i forgot about it!

i could see that as a valid line of view meanwhile i think dwlees just bullshitting theirs
i think u had a bit more spice behind ur read than they did

Marci, and you quote something from dwlee that makes you think this and tell me what makes their line of view less valid then mine?

I am struggling to see what distinction you are drawing between us, other then the fact that they went to you game, and me and pooky didn't.

[Lukewarm]

i think you knew how easy of an elim i would be based on the opinions everybody has voiced about me so you swapped me in so that you could win this "hard to win" mini game for scum

You are not in the hard to win for scum minigame.

You went from the easy game for scum -> even game.

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I am disinclined to believe that the scum team would move town!marci to 1v1 with faker, simply because scum!faker could 1v1 most people, and I think that they would want her to go up against someone who was not already primed to lose a different minigame.

It would be like trading an win at SGB for a win at MD, but why prioritize giving your hard hitter an easier win, instead of prioritizing another scum player.

[Lukewarm]

Okay, cool, that's a hardthrow. We should resolve my minigame late because marcistar is going to flame out and kill her own WIM.

I clear RH9 and can probably singlehandedly win the game off of it.

I generally disagree with this tho.

I think that this game should go earlier, because while i don't think that faker is scum, I would love to get the flip before just sheeping whoever she tells me to vote for

[Lukewarm]

why would i swap myself out of the mini game i so vocally wanted LOL stop reaching for straws

why not? cuz u dont want to partner spew??? : )

What part of avoiding this question would do any kind of partner spewing?

[Lukewarm]

I am ready to vote Penguin after I receive assurances that Marci will be immediately murdered for being on the run from the law.

If I was told to vote right now, i would also be inclined to vote for penguin lol

[Lukewarm]

My full proof game plan for victory is:

Have Faker solve all three games.
Resolves MD
->If faker flips town, sheep faker
->If faker flips scum, cry.

Any questions?

[Lukewarm]

I am disinclined to believe that the scum team would move town!marci to 1v1 with faker, simply because scum!faker could 1v1 most people, and I think that they would want her to go up against someone who was not already primed to lose a different minigame.

It would be like trading an win at SGB for a win at MD, but why prioritize giving your hard hitter an easier win, instead of prioritizing another scum player.

okay but why would scum!marci pit herself against a very good player whos much more convincing than she could ever be?

ur just reading the one side of the coin, you KNOW im a mild scumplayer, i dont like to have the spotlight on myself like this.

Frankly, this swap reads to me like the scum team decided that you were losing SGB, and needed to get you out of there to avoid losing the "easy game" for scum.

[Lukewarm]

U KNOW THAT ALREADY DONT U

Marci, this makes it hard to believe that you are townie.

You are not approaching this conversation like you were just told that Faker is scum 100%, because you would never need to ask this question.

I felt the same way about a post from you a couple posts back too.

Like, it feels like I need to remind you that from your POV and from Fakers POV, you are guaranteed 100% to be opposite alignments from one another.

[Lukewarm]

I don't really see the motivation to put this confidence in my reads given the last performance you saw from me, and my reads on Day 1 were clearly off as well.

I know you're exaggerating and being cheeky to some extent, but I can't tell if there is some hint of faith in my ability to read the other 2 games. I actually really did not want SGB as town because I have struggled to read Dwlee99 and Dragons, another case like that, wound up third. Sillyposting is doable but is the definition of suffering, but I do think I can contribute there and I would like to flip it before MD.

To cut the cheeky out of what I said before.

I respect your solving abilities and your scum abilities.

Right now, GTH, I would say that pooky is scum, but if you think otherwise, I would take that into consideration. But would be scared to take it into consideration before you flip.

So, I want to opinion on my game, and I want your flip, before I choose who I am voting.

[Lukewarm]

Marci, I would like for you to put out solves for the other games as well. And avoid only focusing on Faker.

[Lukewarm]

ngl, if penguin is scum it feels like we already lost, because the more pooky posts the more sure I am not voting for him.

So, yeah, I changed my mind and we can go first.

[Lukewarm]

Marci, I would like for you to put out solves for the other games as well. And avoid only focusing on Faker.

I am solving? i think dwlees scum.

im not sure whos scum in ur minigame yet though, i havent played with penguin before so idk how to read them

That was in direct response to this post

im so confident on u?!??!?! should i not go after the head of scum?!?!??!?!

i would interact with others but nothings really interesting in terms of their games so far, still dont like dwlee from yesterday tho but ur my focus bb

Which felt like you were saying you were gonna just focus on Faker.

But :shrug:

[Lukewarm]

You went from the easy game for scum -> even game.

Not sure how I feel about this? Like purely from looking at the setup, sure.
But there's people in those minigames. The scum team knows what minigames they have a good chance of winning and while the mechanics impact it, a game with less win% for scum in a purely mathematical sense doesn't mean that's what it actually is in practice.
Sillyposting could be the easiest scum win at the moment, purely off of the circumstances of the 3 people within it.
So acting like this is the what this switch means is a very closed off way to look at the game imo. It worked fine as an overview pregame or day 1, but at this point it's no longer that simple.

I am aware, but I was responding to Marci saying "you swapped me in so that you could win this "hard to win" mini game for scum"

I don't think that MD sense to be called the "hard to win mini game for scum" and I was pointing that out.

[Lukewarm]

I am ready to vote Penguin after I receive assurances that Marci will be immediately murdered for being on the run from the law.

If I was told to vote right now, i would also be inclined to vote for penguin lol

what was ur reason for this again?

I don't trust any post that pooky has made all game

[Lukewarm]

He dropped into the game, and saw me calling you scum for locking in, and jumped to us being partners. Still has doubled down on that making any kinda sense, which feels like he was not actually thinking about it and was just looking for people to call scum.

Like, if we are partners, me calling you obviously scummy from the jump feels like I would be sacrificing the game you are in right away. And it does not really make sense for me to set you up to lose the "easy" scum mini game.

And he has latched onto the line that if I were town, I would have locked into SGB -- while simultaneously not having locked into the SGB game himself lol

And his approach feels really similar to my own in the last game, where I faked confidence in ari being town and pav being scum all game.

[Lukewarm]

he was not actually thinking about it and was just looking for people to call scum.

This was my thought when I pointed out that he called all three people who posted page 1 scum.

Like, it seemed more likely to be coming from scum looking for people to scum read, then for town actually trying to sort a list of 8 players, and landing on it being the three first people he saw content from.

[Lukewarm]

And he has latched onto the line that if I were town, I would have locked into SGB -- while simultaneously not having locked into the SGB game himself lol

this is a scum claim from luke

he knows in his scum heart that if given the choice between going to SGB to hunt down Marci and going to SP to solo yeet Luke that I would choose SP 1000 times out of 1000 just to show up my sister who is easily pocketed by smooth talking villains (bless her heart that girl is going to be the death of me)

Oh look. It turns out that someone can think that Marci is scum, and not decide to insta lock into the same game as her, because existing in a game with your page 1 scum read is not always your number 1 top priority in a game.

But it appears pooky missed the point, while simultaneously making it for me.

[Lukewarm]

This does not seem like it is ever going to end up with a different out come

@Penguin, let me know when you have gotten your fill on talking about other minigames, and I will vote you

Actually just typed up the vote, but realized that pooky could cut you off from talking if he wanted, and did not want you iced out of the game.

[Lukewarm]

From my pov, there are 2 worlds.

Pooky is scum, and penguin is town or Pooky is town, and penguin is scum.

If penguin is town, voting him is a win.

If pooky is town, pooky has made it clear that they are not even engaging with the idea that I could be town, and so the onus for us to win the minigame in that world would be entirely on me figuring out that he is town while he refuses to engage with me in any other way then to completely dismiss anything that I ever say as a scum claim.

That actually feels like hell, so I think I am game to either win by voting penguin, or blaming the loss on pooky in the dead thread.

[Lukewarm]

if you ask me if new information changes my mind

i would tell you resoundingly

hell to the no

Yeah, I won't hold this exact post over you as the reason why I did not see a world where you found me as town.

[Lukewarm]

idk

I don't even know that you should be town reading me here, but you for sure should not think that I am 100% obviously lock scum, never to be reconsidered again.

If you are town, you locked into a bad read for a pretty dumb reason on page 2 of the game, and I don't really feel like town casing myself at you.

[Lukewarm]

306 was obviously a shitpost

Oh sorry, I thought you were already telling me to stop trying to figure out this game, and I am just doing what you told me to do

luke we literally don't even have to point fingers at each other

we already agreed on penguin being town

so penguin is advancing

there's literally no incentive for you to say i'm scum cuz i'm not going anywhere

[Lukewarm]

Oh sorry,

This apology was typed to be read as dripping with sarcasm, fyi

[Lukewarm]

if we're both town and you vote for penguin the loss is on you dude

if you ask me if new information changes my mind

i would tell you resoundingly

hell to the no

Yeah, I won't hold this exact post over you as the reason why I did not see a world where you found me as town.

which of your posts am i supposed to townread you for again

306 was obviously a shitpost

If you are town, and so sure that I am scum, what was the incentive for you to make these posts again?

Or is this you realizing that the way you were approaching the game was gonna cause me to vote penguin before penguin got a chance to vote you?

[Lukewarm]

If penguin flips scum, then faker is town 100% of the time.

She does not do this much to intervene, both to try and diffuse me or to get pooky to consider the possiblity that I am town.

If pooky flips scum, then I could see this coming from either alignment tbh. Scum her would need to keep me from spiraling out and to give pooky an out into reconsidering our minigame, to keep it from quickly resolving.

[Lukewarm]

your emotional appeals are incoherent and don't make sense to me.

For you to be actually angry and upset at my play there are two things that could be true:

Town!you is pissed off at Town!me for misreading you. ok but if that's true I guess it's kind of on you to convince me you're town?

or

Scum!you is pissed off at Town!me for reading your correctly and making sure you can't win. Which, I mean ok ? like being upset isn't going to make me townread you.

What doesn't make sense to me is

Town!you thinks I'm scum and is mad at me for what I'm doing ??

Like um if I'm scum and I have convinced town!you to vote for town!penguin and that's a

win

for town!you

like what r u mad at me for?

It turns out that I am not informed of your alignment, and so I am not sure of your alignment.

I was suspicious of some of the ways that you have interacted with me and marci, found it hard to believe your read on me was genuine, but I am not 100% sure of that you are scum

If you do flip scum, then yeah. You were trying something, it back fired, and you lost / I won. That's all well and good.

But the idea that you could still be town here is a solid source of my frustration. Because it feels entirely hopeless and pointless to try and reach you, and it also feels like you are telling me to give up on trying to sort the game, meaning it would be hard for me to reach confidence on you as town either.

And even now, you are saying that my goal should be to go all out town casing myself to you. Which 1) feels pointless, and 2) is something that I didn't want to do. I decided that I would just take on the voting power of this minigame, but it feels like you are icing me out of trying to sort you and penguin too.

So I guess, that means I just say fuck it, we lose to scum penguin.

[Lukewarm]

I am outright think that you should be the one voted in. If I have to deal with rolling the dice on Penguin, so be it, but I would much prefer one of them to vote you than you to vote one of them.

Is this at me or at pooky?

If at pooky, why are you town reading him?

[Lukewarm]

Ah. 420 was clearly talking to pooky, and was confused seeing no transition in 421

[Lukewarm]

no what i said was you should sort the other 5 people instead of trying to convince me that my approach to you is a scum one

you are not going to convince me that i'm scum.

That is what you said after I got frustrated, but not before.

[Lukewarm]

I don't really see the motivation to put this confidence in my reads given the last performance you saw from me, and my reads on Day 1 were clearly off as well.

I know you're exaggerating and being cheeky to some extent, but I can't tell if there is some hint of faith in my ability to read the other 2 games. I actually really did not want SGB as town because I have struggled to read Dwlee99 and Dragons, another case like that, wound up third. Sillyposting is doable but is the definition of suffering, but I do think I can contribute there and I would like to flip it before MD.

To cut the cheeky out of what I said before.

I respect your solving abilities and your scum abilities.

Right now, GTH, I would say that pooky is scum, but if you think otherwise, I would take that into consideration

. But would be scared to take it into consideration before you flip.

So, I want to opinion on my game, and I want your flip, before I choose who I am voting.

luke we literally don't even have to point fingers at each other

we already agreed on penguin being town

so penguin is advancing

there's literally no incentive for you to say i'm scum cuz i'm not going anywhere

Like, I was talking about Faker's game, and even making it clear that my read on you was not solid.

And you told me that what I was doing was pointless.

[Lukewarm]

I'm going to bed. This is my current strongest thought on a player outside of pooky.

If penguin flips scum, then faker is town 100% of the time.

She does not do this much to intervene, both to try and diffuse me or to get pooky to consider the possiblity that I am town.

If pooky flips scum, then I could see this coming from either alignment tbh. Scum her would need to keep me from spiraling out and to give pooky an out into reconsidering our minigame, to keep it from quickly resolving.

Like, if she is scum with penguin this is actively throwing the silly posting minigame.

If she is scum with pooky. Their combined win condition for this minigame would be penguin voting pooky, so they need me to slow down, and they need pooky to have a reason to hold off voting, but they need penguin to not be 100% convinced that it is pooky not me.
And her posting is kinda that? she is posting directly in a way to diffuse me by saying I should be the one voted, while simultaneously giving pooky an out to reconsider by going out of her way to quote the scum chat from the last game - but also calling it inconclusive (not over selling it to peng), and that we should wait it out (let peng get here)

If she is town, she is worried that pooky and I are potentially both town idiots.

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But this is also a solid reason to flip our game before hers.

[Lukewarm]

@Penguin, let me know when you have gotten your fill on talking about other minigames, and I will vote you

Pooky and I are pretty aligned on our thoughts, so I don't really have much to add.

I mean - I guess I could effort on SGB, but we only need 2/3 to win so i don't wanna.

Do you have any thoughts on Faker and what I said about her last night

[Lukewarm]

My thoughts were that if you were scum, she was lock town. But if you are town, I could see the scum motivation behind her actions.

So, I kinda expected you to have thoughts on the "if you are town" portion of the equation.

[Lukewarm]

If pooky flips scum, then I could see this coming from either alignment tbh. Scum her would need to keep me from spiraling out and to give pooky an out into reconsidering our minigame, to keep it from quickly resolving.

If she is scum with pooky. Their combined win condition for this minigame would be penguin voting pooky, so they need me to slow down, and they need pooky to have a reason to hold off voting, but they need penguin to not be 100% convinced that it is pooky not me.
And her posting is kinda that? she is posting directly in a way to diffuse me by saying I should be the one voted, while simultaneously giving pooky an out to reconsider by going out of her way to quote the scum chat from the last game - but also calling it inconclusive (not over selling it to peng), and that we should wait it out (let peng get here)

Are you worried about this?

Did you spot that everything that I said about Faker+Pooky would equally be applicable to Faker+Luke?

Spoiler:

If

pooky

Luke flips scum, then I could see this coming from either alignment tbh. Scum her would need to keep

me from spiraling out

Pookey from voting Penguin and to give

pooky an out into reconsidering

Luke an out from voting penguin in our minigame, to keep it from quickly resolving.

If she is scum with

pooky

Luke. Their combined win condition for this minigame would be penguin voting

pooky

Luke, so they need

me

pooky to slow down, and they need

pooky

Luke to have a reason to hold off voting, but they need penguin to not be 100% convinced that it is pooky not me.

And her posting is kinda that? she is posting directly in a way to diffuse me by saying I should be the one voted, while simultaneously giving pooky an out to reconsider by going out of her way to quote the scum chat from the last game - but also calling it inconclusive (not over selling it to peng), and that we should wait it out (let peng get here)

She is saying things that should make Luke not want to vote at all (advocating Luke be voted) while simultaneously trying to get Pooky to reconsider Luke.

[Lukewarm]

That's interesting thing to point out, because I was starting to kinda see her more as a partner with you based on her wanting you to be speedvoted as an option 2 (this is using my assumption that you are scum).

Guess that just means we should trust in pooky and I feel bad for having stray thoughts.

This is basically why I was surprised to see you settle it as "I am aligned with Pooky, lets end the minigame"

Pooky's only expressed thoughts on the Faker mini game was that Marci is scummy, so Faker town.

But I kinda expected you to have been at least somewhat suspicious of Faker stepping in to try and stop you from being voted, and considering she could be partnered with one of us.

[Lukewarm]

The Swap Options

Option 1) Forced swap, all town in MD

MAFIA DISCUSSION
not voting [3]:

RH9, Faker, Meuh

STOP GETTING BANNED
not voting [3]:

Marci

,

Dwlee99, Save the Dragons

This feels like it make sense. Leaving Marci in SGB feels bad if they could avoid it, and I could see scum!dwlee or scum!STD not wanting to bet the game on being able to 1v1 Faker. (If they thought leaving Marci in SGB was a loss, then losing the Faker 1v1 would be game)

Option 2)Forced Swap, all town in SGB

MAFIA DISCUSSION
not voting [3]:

RH9, Faker

,

Meuh

STOP GETTING BANNED
not voting [3]:

Marci, Dwlee99, Save the Dragons

This feels like it doesnt make sense. Like, scum!RH9+Faker just leaves Marci in SGB with Dwlee, and swaps one of them with StD or even swaps with Dwlee for a bit of WIFOM. Swapping RH9 with Marci feels like the single worst choice for RH9 to try to win SGB. Which makes me want to discard this possibility.

Scum/Scum Swap

MAFIA DISCUSSION
not voting [3]:

RH9

, Faker, Meuh[/color]

STOP GETTING BANNED
not voting [3]:

Marci

, Dwlee99, Save the Dragons

This also feels like it makes sense scum!Marci would rather not be in SGB with a town!Dwlee.

Option 4) Town/Town Swap

MAFIA DISCUSSION
not voting [3]:

RH9

,

Faker

,

Meuh

STOP GETTING BANNED
not voting [3]:

Marci

,

Dwlee99, Save the Dragons

This feels like an underwhelming choice? Like it does not feel like it does a lot to make me think : Ah ha, the scum would want this, but there is also nothing to make me say that they would not want it either.


I kinda want to think about options 3 and 4 in comparison to making a swap into silly posting.

[Lukewarm]

Does faker protect Luke to this extent if they're scum together?

My opinion on this question is probably worth zero, but it reminded me that I wanted to respond to faker's earlier post about not doing this if partnered with Pooky.

This one:

Even with SGB slanted in scum's favor it is never worth it for me as a player to trade 1 for 1, Luke flipping town should essentially clear me despite his statement.

I don't think that my flip will clear Faker.

Their approach of stating that I should be voted is never a risk while partnered with Pooky. Obviously, nothing she says about me is gonna run the risk of scum!pooky voting me, but also with me and pooky both having stated preference to vote penguin, there is little risk that penguin shows up and votes me either. Regardless of his alignment, in that game state, his best play is to wait for one of us to vote him.

But it can delay the game resolving. Which she would need to do.

But also, delaying the game by stating that I should be voted, does not directly tie her to pooky.

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This feels like a weird argument to make, because GTH, faker is town and marci is scum, but I don't like the idea of her getting a hard clear for a zero risk play for her to make as scum.

[Lukewarm]

I think there are other considerations, such as scum-Pooky having a plan of his own (Pooky is the one who set the terms of this entire game to begin with for the most part) and it is not likely he immediately needed my intervention to bail him out.

I think that the argument is surface-level riskfree might be valid, so sure, I will drop it.

Your intervention came after this post:

This does not seem like it is ever going to end up with a different out come

@Penguin, let me know when you have gotten your fill on talking about other minigames, and I will vote you

Actually just typed up the vote, but realized that pooky could cut you off from talking if he wanted, and did not want you iced out of the game.

So, scum!you would see that what ever scum!pooky was attempting was leading to critical failure, so I would argue that you might think he immediately needed your help to bail him out.

But I can also agree to drop it lol

[Lukewarm]

It's also worth noting that it is fundamentally a good thing for MD as a whole, ie. to the town wincon for me or against the scum wincon for me, to delay Sillyposting because of your input on marcistar.

I am not sure why you think that I am some kind of Marci sevant.

I have correctly lead an elim push against her, being so sure that she was scum that even when a fake mechanical clear was put out there, I doubted the mechanical clear before I doubted my scum read.

But I have also been completely fooled by scum marci before. Twice even. Both times having to be bailed out by someone else. In our first game, we made it to MELO with me thinking that Marci was town, and the only reason that we won was that I decided to let Meuh decide and sheep her choice. And another game, I defended her all game until a PR came out with a guilty on her.

[Lukewarm]

It's also worth noting that it is fundamentally a good thing for MD as a whole, ie. to the town wincon for me or against the scum wincon for me, to delay Sillyposting because of your input on marcistar.

I am not sure why you think that I am some kind of Marci sevant.

I have correctly lead an elim push against her, being so sure that she was scum that even when a fake mechanical clear was put out there, I doubted the mechanical clear before I doubted my scum read.

But I have also been completely fooled by scum marci before. Twice even. Both times having to be bailed out by someone else. In our first game, we made it to MELO with me thinking that Marci was town, and the only reason that we won was that I decided to let Meuh decide and sheep her choice. And another game, I defended her all game until a PR came out with a guilty on her.

We can vice versa this for times I have played with town Marci too.

I have correctly defended her as town, but I have also pushed her pretty hard when she was town as well (thinking of shakespere in particular, where she was my second strongest scum read every single game day, just barely above the person I would push each day up until the moment her own role resulted in her own death lol)

[Lukewarm]

It was my perception that you are above average at reading marcistar, and if that is not true c'est la vie.

While Meuh has seen no reason to treat me this way, I've approached it from the perspective that I'm going to get policyslotted as null by several players at the table regardless of their instincts or my play. Working backwards from marcistar's alignment should be easier.

I don't think that I am particularly bad at reading Marci, but also not The Marci Sorter, which is how it felt like you were positioning me.

I think that Marci's play largely makes more sense coming from scum!Marci then coming from town!Marci, and if I had to resolve your game right now that is how I would do it.

But I would not try to force my own read onto Meuh's since in the 1 completed game the three of us had together, she was right on Marci and I was wrong lol

[Lukewarm]

there's not enough SGB posting in this thread

Agreed

[Lukewarm]

Dwlee, marci is our of your game.

Please choose a new person to tunnel please <3

[Lukewarm]

2/4 make most sense i dont get why anyone would think otherwise

Just stating that the options where you are town make the most sense does not do anything for anyone. Like, those are the only possible options from your POV. Of those two options, which do you think makes more sense as the swap and why?

[Lukewarm]

ok so why wouldnt luke lock sillyposting as scum because he knows that you know that he wants sillyposting as town?

is he going to go to a different game and watch you rekt him?

To be fair, I think that I would have ended up in Sillyposting regardless of my alignment.

I ended up in Silly posting as town, because that is where I wanted to play. I would have ended up in Silly posting as scum, because I would have expect Faker and Pooky to both know that I would prefer sillyposting as town, and expect me to gravitate there as town, and would have likely forced myself to go there unless I came up with a good excuse for myself to go there.

I think that Faker's point is that at best, me locking into Sillyposting was a NAI action, and you saying that it was a scummy action is bad.

[Lukewarm]

You....you realize that your arguement is NAI...right? I mean....right?

The issue is that Pooky is still trying to argue from a position as though it makes me scum, not that it is NAI. Like the conversation between Pooky and Faker felt like:

"Luke is 100% scum for going to silly posting"

"Luke would go to silly posting as town"

"But why wouldn't luke go to silly posting as scum????"

"Maybe he would, but it does not make him scum, because he would do it as town"

"So you admit that he would possibly do it as scum? Good, then I was right, and Luke is 100% scum"

So yeah, I agree that it feels like Pooky is not arguing in good faith.

It feels to me that Faker is getting wrapped up in trying to make you see how bad pooky's argument is, and you are reading it like she is town casing me. Two different conversations happening past one another.

[Lukewarm]

So, beyond arguing for pride, it makes little sense to do so.

It feels exactly why Faker is engaging so much with this argument lol

Imo, it is probably +town for her too

[Lukewarm]

I don't see why it matters if I think Pooky's argument is bad. If I'm scum, as she believes based on her list, then I'm not going to alienate pooky by suddenly agreeing; and, if I'm town then the fact that one of you being scum expressly wanting to vote for me is an L for scum so it doesn't really matter at all. So, beyond arguing for pride, it makes little sense to do so.

The reason why it should matter to you, is because this minigame should end with me voting for a player.

The optimal way to play this minigame is to first chose the player that is more scum read in the mini game (you and pooky both say me) and then forcing me to cast the vote.

I am less sold on voting you then I was when I was upset last game and just wanted to get out, so if you are town, and I am scum, it doesn't matter. You have won. But I am town, so if you are town your win condition atp is convincing me that you are town over pooky. And engaging with debates will help me sort you.

[Lukewarm]

I was upset last

game

night

[Lukewarm]

I don't see why it matters if I think Pooky's argument is bad. If I'm scum, as she believes based on her list, then I'm not going to alienate pooky by suddenly agreeing; and, if I'm town then the fact that one of you being scum expressly wanting to vote for me is an L for scum so it doesn't really matter at all. So, beyond arguing for pride, it makes little sense to do so.

The reason why it should matter to you, is because this minigame should end with me voting for a player.

The optimal way to play this minigame is to first chose the player that is more scum read in the mini game (you and pooky both say me) and then forcing me to cast the vote.

I am less sold on voting you then I was when I was upset last game and just wanted to get out, so if you are town, and I am scum, it doesn't matter. You have won. But I am town, so if you are town your win condition atp is convincing me that you are town over pooky. And engaging with debates will help me sort you.

Oh boy - your messaging sure has changed from

This does not seem like it is ever going to end up with a different out come

@Penguin, let me know when you have gotten your fill on talking about other minigames, and I will vote you

Actually just typed up the vote, but realized that pooky could cut you off from talking if he wanted, and did not want you iced out of the game.

Yes. I was upset with the game, and wanted out. I was very close to voting and walking away from the game.

But then I decided to focus on other games.

Then you came in and just said "I have no thoughts of my own, lets get out of here" and it freaked me out, because that sure looked like you not wanting to partner spew on your way out.

Then I thought about Pooky again while I was not upset, and I realized that this is actually something that he might do as town, and while it is annoying, but a possibility.

So, I decided to take a moment to work things out.

[Lukewarm]

You said you were upset "last game," now you are upset this game too? And, let's be clear, I didn't have "no thoughts of my own"...my thoughts aligned with pooky's but offered that Faker started to seem more like a partner with you (which I just an hour ago called out again and you are making me question it even more) but said to trust in pooky's reads since you called it out and that didn't make sense to me. So - that recounting of events is somewhat of your own creation.

Your trajectory feels extremely off rn.

That was a mistype. I meant last night

I was upset last

game

night

If you think I am scum, that is fine. Let me be the voter.

[Lukewarm]

And, let's be clear, I didn't have "no thoughts of my own"...my thoughts aligned with pooky's but offered that Faker started to seem more like a partner with you

That might not have been your exact words, but that was still my reaction to the post.

[Lukewarm]

For anyone wondering my thoughts on this game, I decided that I was never going to town case myself this game on Day 1.

Not sure I enjoy "existing in a game with me" being thought of as being a hell hole.

I think I might just accept being the person who votes in this minigame, and can skip past me ever having to convince anyone I am town.

I decided that I would be the voter, and just sort between the two of you.

The way pooky started day 2 made me no longer want to sort him. Made me feel like, if he was town, I was happy for him to lose. Made me feel like, if I voted for him and he fliped scum, I would be way more upset at losing to scum pooky then to lose to scum penguin. Made me feel like I should just vote and leave.

So I said I was ready to go.

When I calmed down, I went back to "I am going to be the voter in this game, but take the time to sort"

[Lukewarm]

I already said I'm not voting so.....

Word.

Why should I think that you are town this game?

[Lukewarm]

I already said I'm not voting so.....

Word.

Why should I think that you are town this game?

Don't really care to convince you.

So you are just as happy if I vote Pooky here?

[Lukewarm]

Sure - but you see how fmpov that looks exactly like what I described that you and faker are doing, right?

I am not sure what you mean by this.

Do you think that this a reverse psychology attempt to get one of you to vote for me?

[Lukewarm]

Do you agree that our minigame should be solved:
Step 1, chosse who votes
Step 2, let that person choose between the other two

[Lukewarm]

and yes, the further point would be to vote you over pooky which was already expressly stated

Yeah. Faker said that.

I didn't, and I am the one in this minigame, so it is my opinion that matters, not hers.

[Lukewarm]

At this point, I will vote pooky or me. I am never voting you. Do with that what you will.

All good.

We are in agreement.

You never vote for me.

Now, I need to decide which of you and pooky I am voting for.

how do you think I should go about making that choice, if neither of you want to engage with me on why they are the better choice?

[Lukewarm]

Who ever else is town in this minigame deserves to lose tbh

VOTE: Pooky

[Lukewarm]

Congrats pooky <3

[Lukewarm]

Who ever else is town in this minigame deserves to lose tbh

VOTE: Pooky

tbf - that's a stupid sentiment to make yourself feel better.

"I'm in a minigame designed around town finding each other, but let's refuse to try and find each other as town"

[Lukewarm]

Like, I was begging you to help me find you. And you said no thanks

[Lukewarm]

Like, I was begging you to help me find you. And you said no thanks

I didn't need you to interact with me - are you not seeing that? You interacting with me made me see you more as scum. I needed to interact with pooky which is pretty much what I said?

Whatever. You voted. That's the minigame.

The only way that we won the minigame was for me to vote for you. Or for you to vote for me.

You said that you were never voting for me ever.

That means that the only way we were ever winning was for me to vote for you apparently.

Not sure why you engaging with pooky was the answer for me to find you. But shrug

[Lukewarm]

But like you said, doesn't matter anymore

[Lukewarm]

You do realize that I was going to push pooky to vote for me since he said....oh idk...he was going to vote for me. I can vote for me. So you did not have to vote for me. If pooky did not vote for me - that would be SUSPECT!

And since I did not see you as town, sitting by and letting you do that would have meant losing to scum you.

You decided that my read on you didn't matter.

But, letting you do that, if you were scum was losing.

[Lukewarm]

Like that is literally saying

"Why didn't you let me do that thing that would win the game for me as scum"

The answer is that I didn't think you were town, and I didn't see that changing given you refusing to engage with me.

It looked exactly like scum!you telling me to pass off while waiting for pooky to come vote for you

[Lukewarm]

I am aware that I voted incorrectly. And that was losing.

But my options were:

Wait to see if Pooky would come back and vote Penguin. (lose to scum!Penguin)
Or
Vote pooky (lose to scum!pooky)

----

I needed to see you as town to trust in the process that you said we should have done, because I could see town!pooky voting for scum!penguin

I admit that I incorrectly scum read you. But I also wished you were willing to work with me towards me seeing you as town.

----

Sorry I got it wrong.

[Lukewarm]

Sorry I got it wrong.

[Lukewarm]

it's ok bro they have vibes that's equivalent2 u playing 2 all town preferences pooky refusing to acknowledge that he was pushing trash is irrel

Pooky's reason was so bad, that I found it more likely for pooky to make the arguement then for a town player to agree with it.

Like, Peng's "my thoughts align with pooky's" threw my read of the game out of wack x.x

[Lukewarm]

But from my pov, if he was scum and you were town

You were deeply tunneled on me, and all scum him needed to do was wait.

And he seemed to just want to wait.

I see that it was the same choice he would make as town, but I could not see that as the reason he was town if that makes sense

[Lukewarm]

Yay for being 0 for 3 in this set up!

[Lukewarm]

I typed up thoughts on the other minigames, but then decided that no one should listen to anything I have to say, and deleted it.

Good luck Meuh!

[Lukewarm]

Yeah, this loss is on me.

Thanks for modding datisi

[Lukewarm]

I would also like to apologise to Faker.
I never intended to make you feel inferior to catboi or feel guilty for misreading me.

@RH9, I hope you don't feel too bad about this. I don't know if you kept reading after your rep out to see, but she made a series of posts after you left to try and clear the air on the situation. In case you missed her response to your rep out, here are her posts immediately after.

Spoiler:

Oh my god I was kidding RH9 AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

IT WAS JUST A JOKE BECAUSE OF ME/CATBOI'S RIVALRY

I DON'T ACTUALLY HATE YOU OR TAKE OFFENSE TO THAT

Man, if you don't want to talk about it (postgame! not while ongoing!) I understand, but you did not actually offend me and I was 100% kidding. I understand if that and my cursing was hurtful, though, and I'm sorry that I made you uncomfortable.

I was kidding that comparing me to catboi (who, as my rival, I frequently jokingly deride and trash talk) was offensive but he's a great player and a great friend. I did not actually take offense to the suggestion he could read you better than I could, I was just joking that the rivalry was added motivation, I do not actually think ill of you, him or that post you made at all.

You are and were a pleasure to play with and I am again very sorry.

Okay, sorry, but one more thing:

I loved that post about catboi, not only is it probably true but I thought the comparison was hilarious and I was laughing when I responded to you, I was not actually angry about it or upset at all. It was not grossly offensive or anything of the sort.

That was in reality my single favorite post of the entire game! I loved it!

I loved playing with you this game, you're always eager to dialogue, you are always very patient, and you are always trying your best and trying to improve. Not once was I frustrated with or offended by you or anything you said this game.

I am sorry that I did not communicate that effectively that to you while you were still playing. Anyway, I hope you can forgive me postgame but until then I'll can it.

[Lukewarm]

Subject: Micro 1056: Moderators of the Discord Server [RH9 pt]

OK.
Dwlee, marci and Pooky are scum together.

Also, RH9's reads were on point.

This was before I voted, so he had not flips to go off of. Just hero solved the whole scum team right after the swap.