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[Dwlee99]

VOTE: STD

Hello there

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Nancy
Interestingly enough I'm sheeping NM here

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Think Nancy has been really scummy. Her content is almost all reactive in a negative way.

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I think it's been a while since we have played together Nancy but I do not remember town!you acting like this

@Flea: I (at least used to) have a reactive playstyle too, so it isn't that. It's how Nancy is being reactive.

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I feel like you underestimate NM a lot. He can play the game too

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I think it's been a while since we have played together Nancy but I do not remember town!you acting like this

@Flea: I (at least used to) have a reactive playstyle too, so it isn't that. It's how Nancy is being reactive.

What game ever have you ever seen me deathtunnelled like that - especially on such a thoroughly nonsensical basis?

And no, reactions to me being either sr/voted are never ai for me. As for my responses to HEM, I still don’t understand the whole olive branch thing. I don’t see how my giving my honest analysis and thoughts on the game constitute handing out “olive branches”.

~N

This has nothing to do with what I posted

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Are you planning to elaborate on HOW you think I’m “being reactive in a negative way”?

I already pointed out that I’m literally being dearhtunelled in this game for reasons that still make absolutely no sense to me and since no game exists anywhere where that has occurred, I think your take and sheep on my slot is highly suss.

But I want to give you a chance to elaborate on that further.

The brunt and short of it is that you are playing hella caught for the wrong reasons. You seem "mad" about why NM scumreads you, not that he does

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Also NM hasn't posted anything provocative imo

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I disagree with flea's wall but I'll admit I haven't fully digested what faer point is yet

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VOTE: dwlee
out of std/dwlee I want to probe this path further
what are you seeing with nancy sinatra rn?

btw I think one of nancy's reads is pretty indicative that she's got her town mindset going rn

UNVOTE:

Sinatra vs NM is TvT. Can I get the two of you to back off for a moment and reset please?

being real, I think Roden is right about this. NM feels pretty legit, but I think the pressure on Nancy from some of the other slots feels rather disingenuous. StD/Dwlee is where my suspicions primarily lie regarding this.

This is bad when clearly HEM/STD/Me are all sniffing a similar vibe here. I only don't include NM because his reasoning is more opaque. But regardless, that both HEM and STD are melding with what I've said, means either we are all scum, or that the thought process behind finding Nancy scummy is genuine

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Dwlee is weird right now, they're not really posting much but they're not being particularly lazy or "clean", just kinda of occasionally popping into the thread to dunk on Nancy.

Like a booth at a fair

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you are playing hella caught for the wrong reasons.

that's a mindmeld if i ever had one

that's a coalition of 4. std, dwlee, n_m and i feel the same way about the same slot. maybe there's something there.

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Imo that's 1.) Less significant of an agreement and 2.) No one is arguing that people defending Nancy are doing so disingenuously

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It's not about merit, it's that it's a town thought process that we think she is caught for wrong reasons. My point isn't even that we are right here, it's just that gamma calling the push disingenuous is bad

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Everytime she complains about being tunneled "for no reason," for starters

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She is though. She's literally being tunnelled for an RVS post on her allergies.

But the follow-up to that is what is scummy. And it isn't like NM is even applying that much pressure to call it a tunnel when he is kinda just saying Nancy is scum occasionally

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It's not about merit, it's that it's a town thought process that we think she is caught for wrong reasons. My point isn't even that we are right here, it's just that gamma calling the push disingenuous is bad

How are you sure it’s a town mindmeld
The progression of it doesn’t feel like what I’d expect out of that sort of thing at all, it was a one-by-one process where one person expressed that feeling and then another

Well I know I'm not scum and the chance STD and HEM are both scum is pretty low

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It's not about merit,

it's that it's a town thought process that we think she is caught for wrong reasons

. My point isn't even that we are right here, it's just that gamma calling the push disingenuous is bad

How are you sure it’s a town mindmeld
The progression of it doesn’t feel like what I’d expect out of that sort of thing at all, it was a one-by-one process where one person expressed that feeling and then another

VOTE: Dwlee

I’m more convinced than ever that my 3 tls are now trs.

This whole cftwr exactly the same bullshit that scum!Guillo used to push me. Out of the slots eager for my town blood, HEM probably looks the best now. STD could well be scum but he didn’t jump on Flea. I also still think NM could be scum but I think this post of Dwlee sounds informed.

Also in that game where scum!NM deathtunnelled town!F&G, Dwlee was NM’s replacement and he continued to push that slot for comparably stupid reasons.

Rn, I think possibly two of Dwlee/STD/NM? HEM not out of suspicion yet but I bet the game on at least one scum here.

~N

What game are you referring to? And yea, I'm informed of my alignment. Like you're calling me scum because I offered evidence my mindset was a townie one accusing me of TMI of me town?

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How many of you (HEM, STD, Dw) have played with Nancy as both alignments? I feel like you all have played more games with her than I have so I very much feel this should have never gotten to this level. Like when has N_M been taken serious. In all the games I’ve played with him he’s the usual trolly policy elim guy that everyone wants to kill, no one takes serious, and I defend.

I have I think but forget, and NM is actually good at the game and your discredit here is shit.

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Flash wagon kitty?

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Even if NM hadn't mentioned kitty I was going to

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Hey NM, let's do it.

Isn't this enchant testing the waters of pushing you? Literally attempting to coordinated quickhammer?

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But I think he would have followed through if NM wanted to

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Anyway dragon town get Nancy rara etc.

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VOTE: dwlee
out of std/dwlee I want to probe this path further
what are you seeing with nancy sinatra rn?

btw I think one of nancy's reads is pretty indicative that she's got her town mindset going rn

UNVOTE:

Sinatra vs NM is TvT. Can I get the two of you to back off for a moment and reset please?

being real, I think Roden is right about this. NM feels pretty legit, but I think the pressure on Nancy from some of the other slots feels rather disingenuous. StD/Dwlee is where my suspicions primarily lie regarding this.

This is bad when clearly HEM/STD/Me are all sniffing a similar vibe here. I only don't include NM because his reasoning is more opaque. But regardless, that both HEM and STD are melding with what I've said, means either we are all scum, or that the thought process behind finding Nancy scummy is genuine

Idk what I think of this but it pings me that they auto assume everyone who’s sr me defacto has town intent.

That's not what I'm doing

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What exactly has Nancy done that is so hard to fake as scum that she is absolutely locktown? Is her scum game that polarized?

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Nancy ignored me saying her interpretation of something was wrong and repeated it and I don't think anyone noticed or cared so yea

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What exactly has Nancy done that is so hard to fake as scum that she is absolutely locktown? Is her scum game that polarized?

My reading people goes into full reading what they have. I don't read what isn't there which is what a lot of people like to do, I focus on what is there. Part of what gets factored into my reads are vibes, silly as it sounds.

Nancys scum games are terrifying, she's damned good at what she does.

But her attitude and her vibe are different. Vastly different.

If this were true her scum game would be terrible though

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We have time to figure out if that is the case

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I don't think that answers the point I raised

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I don't think that answers the point I raised

Admittedly I got a little sidetracked.

The point was her games are terrible or terrifying depending how you look at them. How I look at them, they are terrifying however I'm reasonably confident in my ability to read Nancy using my methods.

Bruh moment

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Feel like NM v Nancy should be TvS (in either order) so flipping there is good

I can do Kitty because scummy and seems like he is feigning some of the analysis

I need to check for questions people asked me

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Roden feels kinda slimy I think

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Why is Gamma still on me rn?

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Why is Gamma still on me rn?

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NM/Nancy and Roden/HEM both are good chance pairing s containing one scum each

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I think roden HEM is tvt

Why?

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NM/Nancy and Roden/HEM both are good chance pairing s containing one scum each

I’m not scum and it still concerns me that you’re not seeing that. I can understand it initially but at this point, I am way way way out of my scumrange.

NM can be scum too in my theory

Just vibes

Roden seems to be actually solving and HEM is acting too strange to be scum

Pedit @dwlee

HEM's argument here is that Roden's solving is fake though

[Dwlee99]

I'm torn on who to vote rn

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You mean after I wake up? Lol

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Not mafia

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VOTE: Kitty
Prefer this going through

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It was plurality. That's why I voted kitty fivehead

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Not mafia

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I jk’d NM last night

Why though

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Hem couldn't double potion you though

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That's not how it works I thought

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all actions emerge from potions, and players may use one each night by default. whenever a player takes an action, they lose the potion that allowed them to take the action (though the potion may be received by another player).

Okay I didn't hallucinate. One per night

[Dwlee99]

a player is unable to use more than one Pain potion each night.

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i used my potion of harmography to see if anyone targetted venus and mars. there was none.

Wow really? So I totally wasted my jk potion on NM then:/

Well I guess that’s good news then.

This game is really frustrating. At first I thought it was due to NM and his crazy deathtunel on me but now it’s whomever scum is in this game, they’re doing a pretty bang up job of fooling me, which totally sucks.

Not true. If NM tried to pain you then the jailkeep blocked it so it didn't show up to the harmography

Also, scum are likely "going wide" with their potions by spreading them out so they can kill multiple at once, but it slightly depends on how many pains they have

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Dwlee, why haven’t you asked more questions so far in this game?

Look at KTANE

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i think the team is roden, std, and flea. i don't have the energy to push this or counter-check. i just wish someone would that for me.

I think NM is scum

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I think NM is scum because I think v&m are town now

To your point about them not getting harmed, in the last iteration of this I believe that scum took shots at "plausible" targets. That is, they avoided attacking obvtown because the risk of getting caught doing it is high because of the harmography potions. So they instead chose to attack people they believed would be seen as reasonable choices that are still town

To that end, NM could have attempted to do that anyway on v&m

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I think I missed it but I can try to find it

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i'm saying nm telling us that he used pain potions even when he already knows he was jk'd was probably town indicative because it's volunteering information that isn't necessary and i have this impression that nm as scum would probably withhold information that wouldn't make him look like he's town. blanketly saying he used pain potions doesn't look good especially if he's widely scumread.

i used harmography on you because i believed you're very obviously town and it would probably be very hard to kill you in the day. scum would choose to do it in the night.
that nm is the only one who would in a hypothetical nm-inclusive scum team doesn't make much sense to me.

Except scum probably went wide given no deaths and NM is only claimed or shown attack on VM

And your thing rests on NM not just claiming what he did which I don't think he would be against doing as scum

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copy

whats the case on nm scum dwlee

He stopped solving and V&M is town

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To the first point, where is he solving

To the second, idk townie vibes

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HEM I think your reasons to townread NM are really weak

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Why do you still think Nancy is scum

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Why did we do this instead of NM...

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Well you didn't even vote NM so shrug

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Anyone attack NM last night?

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What did you target NM with

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Btw it's prob ELO

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Okay yes that was claimed

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VOTE: Not_Mafia

This is still a scummy slot.

Did you pain potion NM

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STD before you vote: who do you townread most confidently

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

This is still a scummy slot.

Did you pain potion NM

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Why the hell is Kitty ignoring my question

@Roden: no action N1, harmography NM N2, no one attacked him. Was hoping town would attack him and if he were scum I would generate conftowns

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I'm wrong about someone but idk who

STD/Johnny/NM are my hard town reads, Gamma/Dwlee/Enchant/Kitty are my PoE. But STD and Gamma attacking each other and no one really reacting to it feels really off. Like, we're in MELO, STD is voting, and nobody cares. No one's agreeing that Gamma is scummy or freaking out about a scum quick hammer.

My thought process here is that if Gamma were scum, there would be actual push back. So maybe Gamma is town, and scum is waiting for STD to make another big push and for another townie to vote with him. Dwlee/Enchant/Kitty might be the solve then, but if Nancy/Johnny is right about Kitty being town then I'm wrong about one of my town reads.

I feel like Nancy spewed her slot as town, for multiple reasons. STD has felt genuine all game. So maybe I'm wrong on NM.

To 2161: I was thinking kind of similar (at least the lack of initiative happening) but was saving to see if more stuff would happen. Basically, it feels like scum are taking no initiative here because they think they have a way to win by just waiting for town to screw up. I think STD is hard town right now, and I have no interest in voting him out. Johnny I can agree is townie from Nancy. NM I'm kind of reevaluating on the basis that scum seemingly think they have an easy mislim, which could just be me/kitty voting NM. Which would imply NM and Kitty are town. Which gives me a town of me/STD/Johnny/Kitty/NM and a scum team of Gamma/Enchant/Roden

Now if I'm right you're scum, so do you think my logic is bad and we are both town, or that my logic is right except I'm scum?

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Weakest in there is definitely kitty btw

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If we are both town can't it just be that Kitty or NM is scum but not both

Also I guess poe but he is also scummy

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I could flip gamma I think?

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VOTE: Enchant I am doing this assertively

Ehhh

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Enchant is so coin flip

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The toad
Enchant
Save The Dragons
Roden

Contains two scum imo

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I don't want to vote Kitty or NM cause they aren't aligned and therefore flipping in there is at best coin flip probably

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The toad
Enchant
Save The Dragons
Roden

Contains two scum imo

At least**

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I'm working from different principles in my latest list which was bare bones remove unaligned kitty/NM and johnny (top townread) to have a group of at least 2 scum

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We also don't need to solve the entire game this phase, just flip one scum at a time, because scum can't guaranteed kill every night

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I feel like you should unvote kitty if you think it can be NM

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Actually isn't NM not claiming pain potion on Kitty a scum claim?

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Why am I partnered with NM? Didn't I just say he might have scum claimed?

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I feel like I'm pretty obviously not aligned with NM when I spent all of day 2 asking to kill him

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GG thanks for mod

Why did NM lie about paining kitty?