Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[tictac]

Hey
VOTE: monkeyman

[tictac]

Pagetop

[tictac]

Is blue null?

yes

So I'm null and u do have enough info from me. Is this a situation where u explaining why would make sense of it?

[tictac]

Mastina rvs reads standard

[tictac]

Hey
VOTE: monkeyman

Pagetop

My iso

[tictac]

i like bnuuy more

VOTE: bnuuy

mmm if you want to go for a random lurker poke I think tictac would be better

What is the purpose of expressing a pref, while scorning both actions?

[tictac]

ok so you're less active than I thought. Are you wanting me to scumread you?

U should have me in "need more info" like a sane person

[tictac]

i like bnuuy more

VOTE: bnuuy

mmm if you want to go for a random lurker poke I think tictac would be better

What is the purpose of expressing a pref, while scorning both actions?

Ahem
VOTE: catboi

[tictac]

i like bnuuy more

VOTE: bnuuy

mmm if you want to go for a random lurker poke I think tictac would be better

What is the purpose of expressing a pref, while scorning both actions?

Ahem
VOTE: catboi

that's not what I was doing, but looks like I struck a nerve

VOTE: tictac

no? What is incorrect? "Random lurker poke" isn't derisive or poke on me isn't preferred to poke on bnuuy from ur pow?

[tictac]

Why does me being mildly scummy mean a lurkerpoke on me is better idea? What is the purpose of lurkerpoke if 8ts not encouragement to post more?
Why vote me just now if I was scummy then? What is the nerve u think u struck?
Pedit at catboi

[tictac]

I don't mind being scumread. The combo of "lurkerpoke" and me being a better target than bnuuy is weird specifically cause 8t didn't feel like expressing a read

[tictac]

Hey. Mena had a postthatwas super town
I'm way behind, tomorrow I won't be.
Now I gotta seeeep3

[tictac]

like, stop me stop me, oh stop me if I'm wrong

but it seems like this boils down to

Norwee: I have a serious read/conviction that you're scum but the

manner

in which I'm pushing it means that it can be characterised as light-hearted

malc: if you push someone that is aimed at affecting the outcome of the game and is by definition not something that can be lighthearted, therefore you're being contradictory

I think this probably comes down to malc being a newer player vs norwee having been around for a while

this one

[tictac]

I'm sure that once people catch up and read the thread and see how the last few pages have progressed, from a detached point of view, they should see that the behavior is hard to imagine coming from town.

[tictac]

tbh the back and forth between TB & mena made me want to mix coke, heroin and bleach and self place an IV in an artery to just get it over with

it was terrible

do not recommend reading

snorted.
also too late

[tictac]

whoa TB was pooky? I guess that doesn't surprise me given the typing style, but pooky felt mean this game Contrary to what other people have said, that actually feels a bit out of character given my experience with him

yea

[tictac]

Tictac I believe voted Catboi with an 'Ahem', meaning something pinged them to get them there.

i wanted my question answered, so a light vote. didn't love the immediate omgus tho.
seems a pettern w him to omgus the most recent push/vote on him actually.
kinda funny since ur push makes him this mastermind.

[tictac]

seeeep3 well

thank u!
I did.

[tictac]

Your point on mono is depressingly good though

wat? no.
momo might have used underhanded tactics and checked topics instead of the pm.
they also might not have.
toog also didn't attempt a clear. he said the replace should not be a reason to scumread.
mastinas argument does undermine toogs a bit, but does not nullify it.

[tictac]

Hey tictac, why are you voting catboi anyway?

inertia

[tictac]

whoa TB was pooky? I guess that doesn't surprise me given the typing style, but pooky felt mean this game Contrary to what other people have said, that actually feels a bit out of character given my experience with him

yea

more specifically, i felt TB vs leaf was an overdramatic and artificial argument about stuff that wasn't at all related to this game and not at all aimed at yeeting either of them.
in other words, it looked like svs to me, tho more strongly so from TB side of things.
VOTE: TB

[tictac]

I want today to end

then vote ND

^forgot who he was scumreading
VOTE: catboi

why are people so scared to vote bnunny?

Every day the same dream.

i actually had a dream where monkeyman was chasing me thru a forest. only once tho.

Tictac's ISO doesn't impress me but I at least partially TR them for this. I'd expect generally for mafia to be aware in their PT that a player has replaced out and not available for a vote, so they can better place their vote elsewhere. Unless it's a gambit from Tictac to make them look clueless...which seems somewhat unlikely given their general lack of activity thus far.

u can vote 4 folks who replace, and the slots align stays the same! (yes i was aware of the replace)

It IS funny that his theory about a PT blowup was entirely true, though

i always scumread masons if they exist

[tictac]

I don't particularly townread Enchant. In fact i kinda don't have an impression of them at all in this game. So i'd prob support an day 1 wagon on them if i didn't have any better ideas.

^this. it's fine 4 eod yeet, but waay too soon to compromise on null.

mastina being pre-empt pissed at catboi flip kinda townie actually.

@SCP: I was town in control & Squid both.

[tictac]

day1 yeet in monkery would be dumb

[tictac]

Trying to link youtube from Paddington is a nightmarish way
Somebodies link everybody's free to wear sunscreen 4 me
There's people who need to chill.

[tictac]

[tictac]

VOTE: enchant
there's a lot of ate flying around, and it's not fun.
consider this my best effort to make sure nobody who does that gets to eat cake, where "cake" is getting the yeet they want.
also it's a decent yeet.

could also go 4 monkey who has hc coasted since shaking the early wagon.

[tictac]

okay

i like the spite from cass.

koba and keeper went looking 4 second hand meta and both unsuprisingly found what they expected to find.
koba still seems to think i was scum in squidgame 4 some reason? also larges are different than 12p.
keeper proved that activity is NAI (tho i appereciate the effort)
direct meta is better than second hand, which both of them have from town-side, but koba seems confused somehow. i do think it's real confusion tho.
leaf has actual scum-meta 4 me, but seems to be going w the flow, i think out of frustration of catbooi-resistance?
ydr i'd expect to read me better after FinalFantasy

ppedit: yea, i concur. it's a group-game u don't have to try to solo-carry.

[tictac]

every game is different
i think the energy is the same

[tictac]

what are your READS.
also i literally said i townread you in squid game. stop it.

started to answer, but i think i wanna be properly awake 4 this one.
standby while i sleep

[tictac]

yeet-pool:

Cat Scratch Fever (kinda nonentity in uncharasteric way)
Sword of Ducks (cute!=town more from people going SUPERTOWN about them than their own posting)
Enchant more here 4 nothing posting than strong scumread
Toog same
catboi (weirdness w me&bunny + omgussy)
MonkeyMan576 (superactivity under pressure faded to coasty goin w flow when not)

2 scumreads that are unproductive to go into since they out of day1 pool, but i'll go into them in my masonry.
prefer 2 not disclose the other 2 masons, but leaf not one 2 be clear.

VOTE: monkeyman

[tictac]

how abt ur townreads

i've disclosed what i prefer 2

[tictac]

are you seriously claiming mason

yes

[tictac]

VOTE: toog

[tictac]

Okay I'm a one shot gunsmith.

Plz confirm this is not a joke

[tictac]

uh oh spaghettios theres a gunsmith in the masonry

Yes

[tictac]

Might also be checking fl
2 be continued...

[tictac]

Might also be checking fl
2 be continued...

Yes. The person from masonry did check fl, and he does have a gun.
Is now also claiming 1 shot, which is new. Believes it doesn't conflict w monkeyman.
So **shrug**
VOTE: leaf

[tictac]

Might also be checking fl
2 be continued...

Yes. The person from masonry did check fl, and he does have a gun.
Is now also claiming 1 shot, which is new. Believes it doesn't conflict w monkeyman.
So **shrug**
VOTE: leaf

What are the chances that they're a werewolf? The person claiming gunsmith in your masonry

the change to claime did move up the possibility ngl.
why play w claims like that in the first place tho? there was 0 reason to.
i kinda doubt both them and monkey are tho.

[tictac]

skimmed
confirm masonry is as klick says
dunno why we not doing leaf, i'll read thu w more focus later tonight
not against scratchy i guess

[tictac]

UNVOTE: ND

I know Mala voted a guilty claim and it's usually the right thing to do, but there are a few things that give me doubt without the guilty being fake. So I'd like to compare who wants FL dead with the VCs.

1) FL claiming at night start. While I can't see it, FL wouldn't lie there as multiple people could CC him. Well we could have a whole random neighbor bullshit but unlikely.
2) The limited kill mechanic - The amount of nightkills/heals required to believe FL is not a vig. Heals/kill stops are very unlikely n1 due to the sheer number of possible heal targets and the lack of information. At least the werewolf kill was non-existent/healed/stopped/did not occur. Given the penalty to killing, it makes it very much less likely that FL matched a scum kill target.
3) FL is consistent - Shooting someone that was impossible to eliminate despite feeling there's great evidence makes sense. It also helps his townreads.
4) Ease to lim catboi - A catboi kill, unless mafia were tunneling him all day, doesn't make sense particularly given the cost. They would know, at a minimum, there would be two slots always willing to vote catboi/RCE. Even if we supposed FL scum, he would know that a catboi elimination would always be a strategically preferred elimination.
5) Catboi alive protects FL partners - With catboi alive, it shields his teammates because of the repeated wagon unless of course FL's team was flailing like desperate chickens to eliminate catboi.

~Titus

none gonna cc leaf and nothing gonna happen if they do.
it's leaf and fakeclaims are like confetti

how r u arguing both?
catboi easy 2 lim -> leaf cant be maf
catboi impossible to lim -> leaf must be vig

[tictac]

people really intentionally ignoring the fact FL claimed vig during the night phase before any of these "guilties" came out

For what it's worth I've taken FL out of my malefactor read.

lol
i have 0 idea what u doing today

[tictac]

Because that's exactly what he would do if he was mafia.

yea

[tictac]

Look - we will have FL shoot mastina tonight

That is how we will prove it.

OK?

this i'm ok with
leaf u willing?

[tictac]

I don't buy FL's kill conditions.

[tictac]

DOesn't make sense that vig kill condition is related to possible scum being alive.

Like, you can kill, but if a scum player in your monastary dies you can't kill anymore?

That's actually a perfectly valid vig gate.

from balance pow yea.
it looks designed in a game that's about randomness.

[tictac]

Mastina was the plan to vig all along, especially after her claim, but Catboi had to go.

I will make myself shoot her.

UNVOTE:

[tictac]

Like, she claimed Parity Cop on me and Catboi to check if we were hard bussing.

Everyone knows I am super anti-bus, and that just makes no sense.

is this a thing someone here knows?

[tictac]

I don't think we should be taking advise from scum.

why not? s multiball.

[tictac]

I think Klick is a Wolf Gunsmith out to avenge Catboi.

he woulda had to announce an inno on u if u didn't have a gun tho.
so u modeling wolf!klick as mafreading u?

[tictac]

Is there more that I'm missing?

multiball

[tictac]

day3 ic thing: would need to see absence of that from non-vig games to put weight on. way too much metareading
even if scumleaf tho, i'm good sheeping for a day.

VOTE: CSF

[tictac]

would love if this game could go two seconds without devolving into people arguing about how good they are at mafia

[tictac]

Oh, yes, FL was accurate on a scumread on a werewolf when via being a Monk, he couldn't be a Werewolf.

Pardon my lack of confidence in FLs townness.

We knew from D1 that FL couldn't be a Werewolf, and his accuracy was in a single player being a werewolf, the faction he already couldn't be.

I would be perfectly fine with being vigged, for the record, but I flat-out just don't believe that FL is a town vig. He's either mafia fakeclaiming or a legit gated mafia vig.

pmuch this yea.
the likelyhood of leaf being gated vig like he says and deciding to out all the monks day1 is not astronomical.
so not actually expecting a 3 kill night, but willing to allow 4 the possibility.
and if he wants to feed us wolves on the way out i'm fine w that also.
why do u townread scratcy?

[tictac]

assessment that someone made (not sure who, can't find it on a quick look) that he has been coasting a bit after the initial pressure died down.

this was mine. i don't think it's really been true day2 anymore.

[tictac]

scratchy is an alt no?
don't wanna out her if it's not common knowledge, but i think i know.

[tictac]

since 2018 i think

[tictac]

Although tictac how did you know that?

remember u from wakes 50p

[tictac]

YOU THINK?

[tictac]

remember townreading dunn hydra and interaction w parity seemed towny. would prefer not to go there.
could go enchant if scrathy wagon doesnt revive but kinda hope it does.

[tictac]

hes basically begging to be parity checked

[tictac]

that's the impression i got anyways

[tictac]

lol. have u been observing my games?

[tictac]

cause u pointed out the miss marple, and i just used it to push math last game.
turned out i was wrong.

[tictac]

perfect is the enemy of the good

oh damn
u speaking 2 my soul there

VOTE: malcom

L-2

[tictac]

remainder that enchant is present

[tictac]

Mastina has been "busy" though maybe she forgot.

totes sounds like mastina.

fl has bought at least a day tho imo

VOTE: csf

[tictac]

UNVOTE:

[tictac]

I mean...scum is out of shots too.

remains to be seen.
that's why "at least a day"

[tictac]

I don't remember you saying you were X-Shot?

I only did in the monastery.

was there a point in claiming a different restrict before?

[tictac]

and the monks can't be wolves?

brief skim makes me believe that keeper is M/M/M with both enchant and mastinA

what is M/M/M?

[tictac]

Don't really like Klick's 7268 much. We shouldn't just avoid voting possible scum just they might be a wolf.

u agreed w nash on scratch being wolves problem, no?
why is this different?

[tictac]

Side note: I'm not 100% sure I see why everyone is wagoning CSF, tbh.

i don't think everyone was?
u doing csf-defense after the wagon dies is busyworky.

[tictac]

VOTE: keeper

[tictac]

o u didn't.
mixed u up w myself maybe

[tictac]

like, stop me stop me, oh stop me if I'm wrong

but it seems like this boils down to

Norwee: I have a serious read/conviction that you're scum but the

manner

in which I'm pushing it means that it can be characterised as light-hearted

malc: if you push someone that is aimed at affecting the outcome of the game and is by definition not something that can be lighthearted, therefore you're being contradictory

I think this probably comes down to malc being a newer player vs norwee having been around for a while

mena still locktown 4 this post.
even stronger since norw and malc confirmed town.

VOTE: sod

[tictac]

linear time

an allusion

tomorrow was

round a corner

Sorry didnt mean to quote that my fingers are shaking from ezcitement of finally readnng a poem from tictac

fixed

[tictac]

koba isn't even up for elimination today

Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

[tictac]

remember townreading dunn hydra and interaction w parity seemed towny. would prefer not to go there.
could go enchant if scrathy wagon doesnt revive but kinda hope it does.

hes basically begging to be parity checked

like, stop me stop me, oh stop me if I'm wrong

but it seems like this boils down to

Norwee: I have a serious read/conviction that you're scum but the

manner

in which I'm pushing it means that it can be characterised as light-hearted

malc: if you push someone that is aimed at affecting the outcome of the game and is by definition not something that can be lighthearted, therefore you're being contradictory

I think this probably comes down to malc being a newer player vs norwee having been around for a while

mena still locktown 4 this post.
even stronger since norw and malc confirmed town.

VOTE: sod

^still valid
multip hirsute: eh. don't think it's out there. there's lots false positives gunsmiths get also.

just wanna close the poes tbh, would be nice to not yeet townreads to do so.

masons: me, meg, klick
masons = conf not mafia, could be wolf
klick the one claiming 1shot gunsmith not me, probs why monkey checked there.
outed pr being blocked in a large: also not out there, tho specifics of the check would be good to know.

[tictac]

VOTE: cass

[tictac]

math unpaired w leaf
#usefulthings

[tictac]

dunn is town

[tictac]

VOTE: keeper

[tictac]

VOTE: cass

vanity voting probs less than ideal actually

[tictac]

the interaction w ydr yesterday struck me as wanting to be parity checked.
i mean the thread assumption was "ok dunn not a valid target" and dunn spent a lot of energy arguing that he was valid, which is just "why" if it was something he wanted to avoid.

[tictac]

acceptable mechanically

[tictac]

all four alignments have different wincons is the impression i have

hmm, then what's the point of specifying 'identical wincon' over just 'same alignment'? don't those mean the same thing?

pedantry really but when i got my role my question was basically like

"can wolves/mafia have the same wincon (beat all other threats) or like, wolves/malefactor"

and they cant

so i classify it as different wincons as what im checking for

it's not functionally different but it feels it

especially with a game with like a claimed werewolf miller lmao

My role is that if I get investigated by a seer (werewolf sided cop equivalent) I appear as a werewolf

Just like a miller for the mafia side

You're not claiming seer so it doesn't interact with your role. I have the town win condition.

Things

might

be different if I were a normal miller, since you are a parity

cop

, but I'm not.

[tictac]

why would he not be an acceptable target mechanically

that makes like no sense

^ what he was arguing
can find u examples of folk arguing the opposite if needed?

[tictac]

but then i'd have to like reread dumb stuff

[tictac]

oh very well then
VOTE: dunn

let's get a move on

[tictac]

VOTE: leaf
^lim pool

[tictac]

I mean...scum is out of shots too.

remains to be seen.
that's why "at least a day"

[tictac]

You can ask STD to confirm that I had called TicTac scum overnight

u can ask meg or klick to confirm that i said u were my #1 scumread and that i was waiting to see if there was a singlekill night.

u say u gated by masons being alive yet u outed the masons day1 for 0 reason.
u say u also gated by 2shot making ur role overcomplicated and weird and also that is the number on concurrent scumkills. and lo there is indeed a kill missing, just like there would be if maf made the kills u claiming.
u HARD defended ench day1, and also informedly(as "informed ability") defended me, yet u voted me, making me think the "defense" of me was cover for defense of enchant.
enchant chose to dusk-kill ydr over u when u had very clearly said u were gonna shoot mastina. that doesn't make sense unless the shooting of mastina was something maf wanted, and mastina was neg-util.
and sure u given excuses and u claimed stuff in monkery all of which sounda to me like u knew which defect in ur story u would have to explain away next.

as 4 math: i don't beilieve that maf would kill conf non-wolf in this gamestate, that's just dumb. imma put zero weight on [redacted] especially when it's not clear what is pr-info and what is conjecture. (my confidence on math reasoning validly even if he does have data is not like 100%)
i get vibes of math pseudoclaiming vig last game tho, so i buy that he thinks the game should now revolve around him tho.

[tictac]

how do the kills work n2 then? wolves kill mastina and he kills butterchurn? So he just got super lucky that the wolves helped him out...

mafleaf shot mastina is what i'm saying.
didn't occur to me that ownteam kills might not be allowed tbh. i'll check.

[tictac]

how do the kills work n2 then? wolves kill mastina and he kills butterchurn? So he just got super lucky that the wolves helped him out...

mafleaf shot mastina is what i'm saying.
didn't occur to me that ownteam kills might not be allowed tbh. i'll check.

is allowed as long as teammate consents.

[tictac]

u can ask meg or klick to confirm that i said u were my #1 scumread and that i was waiting to see if there was a singlekill night.

@math ur take on my leaf push seems to ignore this.

[tictac]

i'm a mason. that is all.

[tictac]

RCEnigma, Werewolf 1-shot Bookie, fled town Night 1.

[tictac]

how do the kills work n2 then? wolves kill mastina and he kills butterchurn? So he just got super lucky that the wolves helped him out...

mafleaf shot mastina is what i'm saying.
didn't occur to me that ownteam kills might not be allowed tbh. i'll check.

is allowed as long as teammate consents.

@nero

[tictac]

math joat doesn't seem to function like a joat

[tictac]

math joat doesn't seem to function like a joat

What makes you say this?

joat
u said u might re-check klick, joats get a series of 1-shots usually.

[tictac]

*shrug*

[tictac]

Why are you so interested in what I am doing?

i'm not. i'm consistency checking claims, cause massclaim.

[tictac]

*shrug*

[tictac]

at core leaf case is:

assuming town-leaf there's 2 kills missing.
there's unlikely to be 2 kills missing.
one possibly blocked by math, but this assumes maf killing a conf non-wolf when 2 conf non-maf are alive.

ench chose to not dusk-kill leaf when leaf has said he was gonna shoot mastina.

yes: maf-leaf does assume he killed a teammmate in multiball
yes: this is allowd.

shouting about thinngs 4 20 pages doesn't make the case more convincing, it's either convincing or it isn't.
imma do compromize mode next time i'm here if it doesn't take off from this.

pedit: goddammit well some futile posting will follow now.

[tictac]

FL claimed N1 in the monkery

that was w 'monks alive' gate.
2-shot came later when monks didn't die.

[tictac]

honestly, I think the most pro-town thing Keeper can do rn is glad ducks but why be pro-town when Math is hard defending you?

Most protown thing I can do, is just holster and play as vanilla town.

confirmable things should be confirmed.

u can use it on a yeet that has already been decided.
otherwise it's just a claim 2 explain why u not a VT 4 nash.

[tictac]

I want to see TicTac's thoughts on Mathblade vs Klick.

i'm not voting klick today.

math kinda doing what u did.
he pushes me, and wants to yeet klick
u push him and wanted to yeet me.

[tictac]

didn't want aall that 2 just go to waste i guess.

[tictac]

I want to see TicTac's thoughts on Mathblade vs Klick.

i'm not voting klick today.

math kinda doing what u did.
he pushes

me

you, and wants to yeet klick
u push him and wanted to yeet me.

fixed

[tictac]

I don’t see how you’re “confirmable things should be confirmed”
But then don’t want to elim Klick?

cheaply confirmed things then.

lit everyones align is confirmable by yeeting them.

[tictac]

no doing an infoyeet, that's dumb

VOTE: cass
at least this isn't a mason

[tictac]

VOTE: leaf

meg didn't say who she was protecting, but it was probably math.

[tictac]

tictac immediately following him

ey.
just cause math is louder about it doesn't mean i didn't get there first.

[tictac]

I stand by that being a classic butting of heads, but anything I do in a game is never personal. Pushing someone as scum, while scum, and them getting upset that 'i should know they are town' is not emotional abuse.

i mean i completely agree here.
u ated std around to the point the dude is actively using motivated reasoning 2 call u town tho. he likes u and wants u to win ur last game (#doubt about that btw). would be kinda touching really if it wasn't so frustrating how it completely subverts the part where we supposed to have

teammates who play to the same wincon

in this game.
all is fair in mafia and war (not love) as far as i'm concerned, but don't say u don't emotionally manipulate.

[tictac]

i guess there's things that aren't fair in a war also, come to think of it.

pedit: ok then.

[tictac]

insert vader gif w "search ur feelings, u know it to be true" here

[tictac]

my meme-game would be awesome if i could just find the gifs i want at correct relution

[tictac]

Also it kinda sounds like you know I'm town

i do know that.
FL is maf so u can't be.

[tictac]

You can ask STD to confirm that I had called TicTac scum overnight

u can ask meg or klick to confirm that i said u were my #1 scumread and that i was waiting to see if there was a singlekill night.

u say u gated by masons being alive yet u outed the masons day1 for 0 reason.
u say u also gated by 2shot making ur role overcomplicated and weird and also that is the number on concurrent scumkills. and lo there is indeed a kill missing, just like there would be if maf made the kills u claiming.
u HARD defended ench day1, and also informedly(as "informed ability") defended me, yet u voted me, making me think the "defense" of me was cover for defense of enchant.
enchant chose to dusk-kill ydr over u when u had very clearly said u were gonna shoot mastina. that doesn't make sense unless the shooting of mastina was something maf wanted, and mastina was neg-util.
and sure u given excuses and u claimed stuff in monkery all of which sounda to me like u knew which defect in ur story u would have to explain away next.

as 4 math: i don't beilieve that maf would kill conf non-wolf in this gamestate, that's just dumb. imma put zero weight on [redacted] especially when it's not clear what is pr-info and what is conjecture. (my confidence on math reasoning validly even if he does have data is not like 100%)
i get vibes of math pseudoclaiming vig last game tho, so i buy that he thinks the game should now revolve around him tho.

+ mastina using roleblock on 1 of 2 1-shot GS sclaims instead of using it on leaf, who claiming intent to shoot her.

i personally feel like the additional point wasn't needed to make things super obvious.
i have zero faith that leaf gonna be 'taken care of later'. he's gone days and days after he GOT GUILTIED TWICE ON NIGHT 1.

so
VOTE: leaf

[tictac]

@Klick i think u trying to optimize 4 "longest possible game before losing", which seems like not what we should be trying to do.

[tictac]

Okay I'm a one shot gunsmith.

Plz confirm this is not a joke

Might also be checking fl
2 be continued...

Yes. The person from masonry did check fl, and he does have a gun.
Is now also claiming 1 shot, which is new. Believes it doesn't conflict w monkeyman.
So **shrug**
VOTE: leaf

person in masonry is klick

[tictac]

votecount 5.F

MathBlade

(6) |

Sword of Ducks

,

Flavor Leaf,

Nashville Dreams

,

Save The Dragons

,

Nero Cain

,

The Keeper

Flavor Leaf

(4) |

MathBlade, tictac, Menalque, bnuuy

bnuuy (1) | Klick

Not Voting |

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to politely ask someone to leave.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-06-20 21:29:00).

wolf reads!
less confident than the maf read tho

[tictac]

CONTROL

r u an alt of someone from that game?

[tictac]

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
- william butler yeats

[tictac]

i think yall can guess who i think the 'rough beast' is here

[tictac]

I would like everyone to legitimately, deeply think about these posts in the context of the rest of SoD's play

i see ur point about uninformedness.
i think u underestimate just how deeply confused people can actually be even when they cant possibly by any resonable standard be that confused.

[tictac]

point being, i don't think informed/uninformed pow makes that much of a difference when talking about people why play like they might have problems correctly using a spoon.

[tictac]

very well

VOTE: bnuuy

[tictac]

nash+sod wolves
leaf maf.
is my solve

probs makes sense 2 go 4 wolf today and nash is the one kilck agrees with, so.
VOTE: nash

[tictac]

bnuu flipped wolf

[tictac]

I mean I do too really. But voting tictac today is literally just doing Mafia a favour. It does nothing to limit the pool of potential Mafia for Wolves to kill in.

i did predict this was gonna happen, and u didn't think people would do that
leaf doesn't have enough NKs to both hunt wolfs and kill masons before 3p, so he

needs

this. and he is personable and i'm not.
s not the first or the last time that folks think using ones brain to come to actual conclusions is informed pow also.
still, one might think at least someone would have learned something when math flipped town joat, but i guess that's BOP.

[tictac]

personable and i'm not

i do wanna say, that is at somewhat deliberate on my part. pandering is just not a thing i enjoy at all, so i've not tried very hard to correct this flaw.
so don't feel too bad if it's a factor here, the fault is at least partially mine.

[tictac]

That is true if you're Mafia, with a Town limmed, Werewolves NK one more and then they win but not Mafia.

lim town + shoot wolf was as far as i got into it tbh. (mafia also has a nightkill. btw)

thinking further, in 2:1:1 no possible yeet avoids a town loss, so there isn't gonna be one unless town throws.
then NKs again, so the only possible way town wins is by scum crosskilling.

alternatives:
wolfyeet+masonkill+noyeet+wolfkill: also risks getting shot at twice
wolfyeet+wolfkill+4p w klick alive : yeeting possible here, and the next kill always gonna be klick, so town should yeet. doesn't really seem a lot safer 4 him than risking the additional wkill, but somewhat safer, so probs his best path. + he actually seems like he was planning a freedom-yeet here and is upset that there's townreads.

so i guess it's actually plausible that he thinks i'm a wolf.
too bad he's not correct.

[tictac]

It's this gap of understanding why Nashville/Menalque/TicTac are all clearing Freedom that confuses me. They've all just kind of accepted Freedom as town, and it feels like they want the gamestate to feel that way so the weight comes back to me, so I'd either have to turn on my reads or go all in on them.

[tictac]

ok then
VOTE: leaf

[tictac]

You can ask STD to confirm that I had called TicTac scum overnight

u can ask meg or klick to confirm that i said u were my #1 scumread and that i was waiting to see if there was a singlekill night.

u say u gated by masons being alive yet u outed the masons day1 for 0 reason.
u say u also gated by 2shot making ur role overcomplicated and weird and also that is the number on concurrent scumkills. and lo there is indeed a kill missing, just like there would be if maf made the kills u claiming.
u HARD defended ench day1, and also informedly(as "informed ability") defended me, yet u voted me, making me think the "defense" of me was cover for defense of enchant.
enchant chose to dusk-kill ydr over u when u had very clearly said u were gonna shoot mastina. that doesn't make sense unless the shooting of mastina was something maf wanted, and mastina was neg-util.
and sure u given excuses and u claimed stuff in monkery all of which sounda to me like u knew which defect in ur story u would have to explain away next.

as 4 math: i don't beilieve that maf would kill conf non-wolf in this gamestate, that's just dumb. imma put zero weight on [redacted] especially when it's not clear what is pr-info and what is conjecture. (my confidence on math reasoning validly even if he does have data is not like 100%)
i get vibes of math pseudoclaiming vig last game tho, so i buy that he thinks the game should now revolve around him tho.

in case someone needs a refresher/didn't read yet

[tictac]

@Nashville - Please fade leaf. I know it’s not the Wolf fade, but I will flip town, and I die tonight from mafia.

except imma not gonna die cause we yeeting the last maf.
i'll probs get yeeted tomorrow tho. trying to come up w the magic words to say and make that not happen.

best effort: if we yeeted leaf when i wanted 2 we'd be in 9p rn from reduced KPN. wolf-me wold have wanted him around as long as we in fact kept him around for.
less effort: abracadabra?

[tictac]

leaf suddenly turned to a host from pikkukakkonen, and none here shares cultural context from my childhood :/

anyways, it's 4 to yeet.

tictac, klick, mena, nash is 4 people.

dunno what the problem is here.

[tictac]

Good Game.

Well done, Klick. U carried hard.

[tictac]

csf shoots math [kills meg]
csf activates janitor kill [fails due to role pm wording]

this would have been interesting if it worked.

my first instinct is it woulda been pro-wolf EV esp as CSF dies the same night so even maf woulda not known if they hit a wolf or not.

[tictac]

shoulda claimed loathed like a50 claimed venge that one game. noone wanna yeet yeetable roles.

Ehh nvm that’s probably not that solid now that I’m looking

yeaas. crappy meta-tell BROKEN.

[tictac]

u guys killed Keeper and ydr, so lol.

agree that killing klick that last night woulda been anti maf wincon just like it woulda been anti wolf-win.
also that u were strong in dayplay, tho klick turned on leaf day 6.

i think if we didn't get unlucky hitting butters this turns out different.
same if ench didn't hit the supersaint u guys woulda been set.
such is life tho.

[tictac]

for example see Catboi.

alas, we forgot about out daykill

[tictac]

leaving loud players alive that arent going to 100% push your wincon is asking for trouble.

u aware that u loud & had good wolf-reads rite?

[tictac]

my primary wolf FOS was ... menalque lmao

unlike leaf?

[tictac]

you couldn't possibly argue

i think i'm going thru argument-withdrawal actually.
imma just quote from wolf-den

i don't think she lolclaims unless she wants 2 get ded.
don't feel strongly about it tho as long as we not killin monks/masons.

i don't think she lolclaims unless she wants 2 get ded.
don't feel strongly about it tho as long as we not killin monks/masons.

[tictac]

woo rc style doublequote